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5th May '16 11:52:28 PM Eagal
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* ValuesDissonance: Partway through, they started to imply VagueAge with Karen, joking either she made a deal with the devil, or was so perpetually filled with pills and alcohol, she was somehow pickled and therefore immortal. She then would occasionally make a comment that would sound more appropriate coming from a bigoted person from the turn of the ''last'' century. She refused to believe that a woman could be a doctor, and when Rosario once said that she played Maria in a production of ''The Sound of Music,'' Karen said she would have paid six chickens to see that (Rosario's response: "It was an Equity Theater, you racist bitch.") Frequently she comments that she believes than El Salvador (where Rosario is from) is some dusty, barren SouthOfTheBorder LatinLand stereotype.
14th Jan '16 3:02:18 PM Eagal
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* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Will&Grace? More like Jack&Karen.
** Snarker supreme Rosario is also popular with many fans especially thanks to her funny interactions with Karen.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Will&Grace? More like Jack&Karen.
**
EnsembleDarkhorse: Snarker supreme Rosario is also popular with many fans especially thanks to her funny interactions with Karen.
6th Nov '15 10:32:47 PM annette12
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: For most people, either CrazyAwesome Karen or Snarker supreme Rosario.
* FairForItsDay: Offensive as it may have sometimes seemed, by the time it ended, it was one of the first American shows with a gay man as a central character, and remains one of few not relegated to cable at midnight.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: For most people, either CrazyAwesome Karen or EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Will&Grace? More like Jack&Karen.
**
Snarker supreme Rosario.
Rosario is also popular with many fans especially thanks to her funny interactions with Karen.
* FairForItsDay: FairForItsDay:
**
Offensive as it may have sometimes seemed, by the time it ended, it was one of the first American shows with a gay man as a central character, and remains one of few not relegated to cable at midnight.



* HollywoodPudgy: Jack regularly calls Will fat, but is the only one to do so.

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* HollywoodPudgy: HollywoodPudgy:
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Jack regularly calls Will fat, but is the only one to do so.



* LesYay: Karen and Grace got to kiss far more than Will or Jack ever did.
** Karen also has quite a bit of FoeYay with Lorraine. Best summed up when Lorraine was trying to steal some of Karen's jewels. After the takes off the visible jewels, and the ones hiding in her cleavage, Karen merely responds, "And...?" Lorraine then spreads her legs further apart and ''more jewels fall to the floor.'' Karen's response? "Impressive. Had we met under different circumstances, this might be 'hello' instead of 'goodbye.'"
*** Also in one episode, Karen mentioned having a crush on someone with long blonde hair as a kid, but she couldn't remember whether said crush was male or female.
* RetroactiveRecognition: In "Fagmalion" part four, Karen dated a handsome, intense maintenance man named Anton. About seven years later, his actor is providing the voice of a [[PrincessAndTheFrog handsome, less-than-intense prince-turned-frog.]]
** She also once had a Thanksgiving hookup with a plumber, at Stan's behest--played by Mullally's real-life husband Nick Offerman, now well-known as [[Series/ParksAndRecreation Ron Swanson.]]

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* LesYay: HoYay: The two main guys on the show are both gay, so it's obvious they get this, bordering on actual ShipTease in several episodes.
* LesYay:
**
Karen and Grace got to kiss far more than Will or Jack ever did.
** Karen also has quite a bit of FoeYay with Lorraine. Best summed up when Lorraine was trying to steal some of Karen's jewels. After the takes off the visible jewels, and the ones hiding in her cleavage, Karen merely responds, "And...?" Lorraine then spreads her legs further apart and ''more jewels fall to the floor.'' Karen's response? "Impressive. Had we met under different circumstances, this might be 'hello' instead of 'goodbye.'"
*** Also in ** In one episode, Karen mentioned having a crush on someone with long blonde hair as a kid, but she couldn't remember whether said crush was male or female.
* RetroactiveRecognition: In RetroactiveRecognition:
**In
"Fagmalion" part four, Karen dated a handsome, intense maintenance man named Anton. About seven years later, his actor is providing the voice of a [[PrincessAndTheFrog handsome, less-than-intense prince-turned-frog.]]
** She also once had a Thanksgiving hookup with a plumber, at Stan's behest--played by Mullally's real-life husband Nick Offerman, now well-known as [[Series/ParksAndRecreation Ron Swanson.]]
3rd Oct '15 10:15:29 AM nombretomado
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** She also once had a Thanksgiving hookup with a plumber, at Stan's behest--played by Mullally's real-life husband Nick Offerman, now well-known as [[ParksAndRecreation Ron Swanson.]]

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** She also once had a Thanksgiving hookup with a plumber, at Stan's behest--played by Mullally's real-life husband Nick Offerman, now well-known as [[ParksAndRecreation [[Series/ParksAndRecreation Ron Swanson.]]
29th Sep '15 10:46:05 AM Eagal
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* ValuesDissonance: Partway through, they started to imply VagueAge with Karen, joking either she made a deal with the devil, or was so perpetually filled with pills and alcohol, she was somehow pickled and therefore immortal. She then would occasionally make a comment that would sound more appropriate coming from a bigoted person from the turn of the ''last'' century. She refused to believe that a woman could be a doctor, and when Rosario once said that she played Maria in a production of ''The Sound of Music,'' Karen said she would have paid six chickens to see that (Rosario's response: "It was an Equity Theater, you racist bitch.") Frequently she comments that she believes than El Salvador (where Rosario is from) is come dusty, barren SouthOfTheBorder LatinLand stereotype.

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* ValuesDissonance: Partway through, they started to imply VagueAge with Karen, joking either she made a deal with the devil, or was so perpetually filled with pills and alcohol, she was somehow pickled and therefore immortal. She then would occasionally make a comment that would sound more appropriate coming from a bigoted person from the turn of the ''last'' century. She refused to believe that a woman could be a doctor, and when Rosario once said that she played Maria in a production of ''The Sound of Music,'' Karen said she would have paid six chickens to see that (Rosario's response: "It was an Equity Theater, you racist bitch.") Frequently she comments that she believes than El Salvador (where Rosario is from) is come some dusty, barren SouthOfTheBorder LatinLand stereotype.
29th Sep '15 10:43:48 AM Eagal
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Often, but never to be taken seriously.
29th Sep '15 10:43:36 AM Eagal
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* FairForItsDay: Offensive as it may have sometimes seemed by the time it ended, it was one of the first American shows with a gay man as a central character, and remains one of few not relegated to cable at midnight.

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* FairForItsDay: Offensive as it may have sometimes seemed seemed, by the time it ended, it was one of the first American shows with a gay man as a central character, and remains one of few not relegated to cable at midnight.
14th Jul '14 1:55:18 AM chartoc
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: In "Grace Replaced", after Grace and Val went from physically and verbally fighting eachother, to talking it out at Will's behest, to almost immediately becoming good friends, complete with Val trying on Grace's clothes to replace the shirt she tore, Will laughs to himself and says "straight men must be out of their ''minds''."
14th Jan '14 10:32:04 AM Willbyr
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* ValuesDissonance: Partway through, they started to imply VagueAge with Karen, joking either she made a deal with the devil, or was so perpetually filled with pills and alcohol, she was somehow pickled and therefore immortal. She then would occasionally make a comment that would sound more appropriate coming from a bigoted person from the turn of the ''last'' century. She refused to believe that a woman could be a doctor, and when Rosario once said that she played Maria in a production of ''The Sound of Music,'' Karen said she would have paid six chickens to see that (Rosario's response: "It was an Equity Theater, you racist bitch.") Frequently she comments that she believes than El Salvador (where Rosario is from) is come dusty, barren SouthOfTheBorder LatinLand stereotype.

to:

* ValuesDissonance: Partway through, they started to imply VagueAge with Karen, joking either she made a deal with the devil, or was so perpetually filled with pills and alcohol, she was somehow pickled and therefore immortal. She then would occasionally make a comment that would sound more appropriate coming from a bigoted person from the turn of the ''last'' century. She refused to believe that a woman could be a doctor, and when Rosario once said that she played Maria in a production of ''The Sound of Music,'' Karen said she would have paid six chickens to see that (Rosario's response: "It was an Equity Theater, you racist bitch.") Frequently she comments that she believes than El Salvador (where Rosario is from) is come dusty, barren SouthOfTheBorder LatinLand stereotype.stereotype.

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7th Aug '13 3:37:43 AM iamtimelocked
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: In "Grace Replaced", after Grace and Val went from Physically and verbally fighting eachother, to talking it out at Will's behest, to almost immediately becoming good friends, complete with Val trying on Grace's clothes to replace the shirt she tore, Will laughs to himself and says "straight men must be out of their ''minds''.

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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: In "Grace Replaced", after Grace and Val went from Physically physically and verbally fighting eachother, to talking it out at Will's behest, to almost immediately becoming good friends, complete with Val trying on Grace's clothes to replace the shirt she tore, Will laughs to himself and says "straight men must be out of their ''minds''."
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