History YMMV / WildARMs5

15th Mar '17 3:08:34 PM Vorhelleberg
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* {{OT3}}: Avril/Dean/Rebecca is extremely common in FanFic.

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* {{OT3}}: Avril/Dean/Rebecca is extremely common MilestoneCelebration: The game was released in FanFic.2007 -- a decade since the first Wild [=ARMs=] game was released. Thus as a celebration the makers decide to put lots of cameos from previous games as well as an artbook filled with info and special illustrations throughout the franchise.



* PlayTheGameSkipTheStory: The game is most know for it's improved battle system than for it's plot and characters.

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* {{OT3}}: Avril/Dean/Rebecca is extremely common in FanFic.
* PlayTheGameSkipTheStory: The game is most know known for it's its improved battle system than for it's its plot and characters.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: General consensus is that the ending is less interesting than it could have been on several accounts: [[spoiler:explaining Avril's amnesia with "It was a StableTimeLoop" and Volsung's villainy with "He was [[DemonicPossession possessed]]."]] Many were hoping for more intricate, complex answers to those questions, rather than [[spoiler:explanations that can literally be summed up in one trope]]. There's also the fact that the ending leaves a lot of unanswered questions (such as the fates of [[spoiler:Nightburn, Persephone, and Captain Bartholomew when they go to help fight the golems]])


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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: General consensus is that the ending is less interesting than it could have been on several accounts: [[spoiler:explaining Avril's amnesia with "It was a StableTimeLoop" and Volsung's villainy with "He was [[DemonicPossession possessed]]."]] Many were hoping for more intricate, complex answers to those questions, rather than [[spoiler:explanations that can literally be summed up in one trope]]. There's also the fact that the ending leaves a lot of unanswered questions (such as the fates of [[spoiler:Nightburn, Persephone, and Captain Bartholomew when they go to help fight the golems]])

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9th Feb '17 7:57:40 PM oPMoP
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: While the cast is divisive, Greg is know as a well written adult character and a MemeticBadass.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: While the cast is divisive, Greg is know known as a well written adult character and a MemeticBadass.
8th Feb '17 3:23:45 PM rixion
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** The Hatred is also disliked for [[spoiler:being a GiantSpaceFleaOutOfNowhere and a lazy excuse to justify Volsungs actions]]. See TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.

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** The Hatred is also disliked for [[spoiler:being a GiantSpaceFleaOutOfNowhere and a lazy excuse to justify Volsungs Volsung actions]]. See TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[spoiler: The Hatred could have made for a horrifying BiggerBad or TheCorruption, seeing as how it's pretty much ''[[VideoGame/EarthBound Giygas]] with a mind!'' Sadly, it was only referenced a few times mid-game and is not seen again until the end.]]



** TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: There's also the handling of [[spoiler: the Hatred itself, which could have made for a horrifying BiggerBad or TheCorruption, seeing as how it's pretty much ''[[VideoGame/EarthBound Giygas]] with a mind!'' Sadly, it was only referenced a few times mid-game and is not seen again until the end.]]

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** TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: There's also the handling of [[spoiler: the Hatred itself, which could have made for a horrifying BiggerBad or TheCorruption, seeing as how it's pretty much ''[[VideoGame/EarthBound Giygas]] with a mind!'' Sadly, it was only referenced a few times mid-game and is not seen again until the end.]]

8th Feb '17 3:20:21 PM rixion
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** Dean get a lot of criticism for being a IdiotHero that appears to have been taken from some generic [[Shōnen(Demographic) shōnen anime]]. Him being too simple-minded and ObliviousToLove also annoys many players, but still there is fans that enjoy his optimist and determination, and consider him better than [[Videogame/WildArms4 Jude Maverick]].

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** Dean get a lot of criticism for being a IdiotHero that appears to have been taken from some generic [[Shōnen(Demographic) shōnen [[ShonenDemographic shonen anime]]. Him being too simple-minded and ObliviousToLove also annoys many players, but still there is fans that enjoy his optimist and determination, and consider him better than [[Videogame/WildArms4 Jude Maverick]].



** Avril. Some fans consider her a walking plot device, think that she is too bland and get annoyed at the other characters [[CharacterShilling constantly praising her]] for trivial things and for her constant questioning the other party members thoughts (as if the writers were trying to make this game sound more "deep and philosophical" than it really is). On the other hand, some fans liked the her maturity, the [[spoiler:Ice Queen twist]] and enjoyed her HeartwarmingMoments during the ending.

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** Avril. Some Avril, while not as divisive as Dean and rebecca, is seen by some fans consider her as a walking plot device, think that she is too bland device and get annoyed at some criticism for forcing the other characters [[CharacterShilling constantly praising her]] for trivial things [[AnAesop moral of the story]] during the cutscenes, making casual chats turn into out-of-place philosophical debates about racism and for her constant questioning the other party members thoughts (as if the writers were trying to make this game sound more "deep and philosophical" than it really is).closed class systems. On the other hand, some fans liked the her maturity, the [[spoiler:Ice Queen twist]] and enjoyed her HeartwarmingMoments during the ending.




** Kartikeya is this to some. While he is also a HateSink due to his AxCrazy personality and the many crimes he commited, many fans found the character to be too one dimensional, boring and uninteresting.

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\n** Kartikeya is this to some.Kartikeya. While he is also a HateSink due to his AxCrazy personality and the many crimes he commited, many fans found the character to be too one dimensional, boring and uninteresting.


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** The Hatred is also disliked for [[spoiler:being a GiantSpaceFleaOutOfNowhere and a lazy excuse to justify Volsungs actions]]. See TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot.
8th Feb '17 3:06:30 PM rixion
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** Rebecca. Some fans consider her "bitchy" for her temper, "whiny" for fawning over Dean but [[CanNotSpitItOut not being brave enough to tell him]], and "annoying" for writing major events down in her {{Diary}}. Others are fond of her [[GenkiGirl energetic personality]], enjoy the diary narrations and think that her flaws makes her a more realistic and a better written character.

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** Dean get a lot of criticism for being a IdiotHero that appears to have been taken from some generic [[Shōnen(Demographic) shōnen anime]]. Him being too simple-minded and ObliviousToLove also annoys many players, but still there is fans that enjoy his optimist and determination, and consider him better than [[Videogame/WildArms4 Jude Maverick]].
** Rebecca. Some fans consider her "bitchy" for her temper, "whiny" for fawning over Dean but [[CanNotSpitItOut not being brave enough to tell him]], and "annoying" for writing major events down in her {{Diary}}. Others are fond of enjoy her [[GenkiGirl energetic personality]], enjoy the diary narrations personality]] and think that her flaws makes helps to make her a more realistic and a better written character.



** Dean get a lot of criticism for being a generic ObliviousToLove IdiotHero whose personality can be summed up in two words: "NIGHTBURN!!!" and "GOLEMS!!". Many fans find his unwavering optimism to mean that he's out of touch with reality...or that he's [[WhatAnIdiot just plain dumb]]. His motto ''"You can do anything as long as you don't give up."'' became so repetitive that ''everybody'' starts saying it.

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** Dean get a lot of criticism for being a generic ObliviousToLove IdiotHero whose personality can be summed up in two words: "NIGHTBURN!!!" and "GOLEMS!!". Many fans find his unwavering optimism to mean that he's out of touch with reality...or that he's [[WhatAnIdiot just plain dumb]]. His motto ''"You can do anything as long as you don't give up."'' became so repetitive that ''everybody'' starts saying it.
7th Feb '17 8:51:43 AM rixion
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** Avril. Some fans consider her a walking plot device, think that she is too bland and get annoyed at the other characters [[CharacterShilling constantly praising her]] for trivial things and for her constant questioning the other party members thoughts (as if the writers were trying to make this game sound more "deep and philosophical" than it really is). On the other hand, soem fans liked the her maturity, the [[spoiler:Ice Queen]] twist and enjoyed the [[HeartwarmingMoments her moment]] during the ending.

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** Avril. Some fans consider her a walking plot device, think that she is too bland and get annoyed at the other characters [[CharacterShilling constantly praising her]] for trivial things and for her constant questioning the other party members thoughts (as if the writers were trying to make this game sound more "deep and philosophical" than it really is). On the other hand, soem some fans liked the her maturity, the [[spoiler:Ice Queen]] twist Queen twist]] and enjoyed the [[HeartwarmingMoments her moment]] HeartwarmingMoments during the ending.


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* HateSink: Kartikeya.
7th Feb '17 8:49:51 AM rixion
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** Kartikeya is this to some. While he is supposed to be a HateSink due to his many crimes, many fans found the character to be too one dimensional, boring and uninteresting.

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** Kartikeya is this to some. While he is supposed to be also a HateSink due to his AxCrazy personality and the many crimes, crimes he commited, many fans found the character to be too one dimensional, boring and uninteresting.
7th Feb '17 8:47:41 AM rixion
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** Avril. Some fans consider her a walking plot device, think that her personality too bland and get annoyed at the other characters [[CharacterShilling constantly praising her]] for trivial things and for her constant questioning the other party members thoughts, as if the writers were trying to make this game sound more "deep and philosophical" than it really is. On the other hand, soem fans liked the her maturity, the [[spoiler:Ice Queen]] twist and enjoyed the [[HeartwarmingMoments her moment]] during the ending.

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** Avril. Some fans consider her a walking plot device, think that her personality she is too bland and get annoyed at the other characters [[CharacterShilling constantly praising her]] for trivial things and for her constant questioning the other party members thoughts, as thoughts (as if the writers were trying to make this game sound more "deep and philosophical" than it really is.is). On the other hand, soem fans liked the her maturity, the [[spoiler:Ice Queen]] twist and enjoyed the [[HeartwarmingMoments her moment]] during the ending.



** Kartikeya is this to some. While he is supposed to be a HeatSink due to his many crimes, many fans found the character to be too one dimensional, boring and uninteresting.

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** Kartikeya is this to some. While he is supposed to be a HeatSink HateSink due to his many crimes, many fans found the character to be too one dimensional, boring and uninteresting.
7th Feb '17 8:45:11 AM rixion
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** Avril. Some fans consider her a walking plot device, find her personality too bland and get annoyed at the other characters [[CharacterShilling constantly praising her]] for trivial things. Others liked the her background and enjoy her maturity.

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** Avril. Some fans consider her a walking plot device, find think that her personality too bland and get annoyed at the other characters [[CharacterShilling constantly praising her]] for trivial things. Others things and for her constant questioning the other party members thoughts, as if the writers were trying to make this game sound more "deep and philosophical" than it really is. On the other hand, soem fans liked the her background maturity, the [[spoiler:Ice Queen]] twist and enjoy enjoyed the [[HeartwarmingMoments her maturity.moment]] during the ending.


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** Kartikeya is this to some. While he is supposed to be a HeatSink due to his many crimes, many fans found the character to be too one dimensional, boring and uninteresting.
6th Feb '17 1:52:11 PM rixion
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** Chuck is also inferiority compared to [[Videogame/WildArms4 Arnaud]] and criticed for losing Lucille to Fereydoon.

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** Chuck is also inferiority compared negatively to [[Videogame/WildArms4 Arnaud]] and criticed criticized for losing Lucille to Fereydoon.



* PlayTheGameSkipTheStory: The game is most know for it's improved battle system than for it's plot and chaarcters.

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* PlayTheGameSkipTheStory: The game is most know for it's improved battle system than for it's plot and chaarcters.characters.



** Dean get a lot of criticism for being a generic IdiotHero who is ObliviousToLove whose personality can be summed up in two words: "NIGHTBURN!!!" and "Golems!!". Many fans find his unwavering optimism to mean that he's out of touch with reality...or that he's [[WhatAnIdiot just plain dumb]]. His motto ''"You can do anything as long as you don't give up."'' became so repetitive that ''everybody'' starts saying it.

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** Dean get a lot of criticism for being a generic IdiotHero who is ObliviousToLove IdiotHero whose personality can be summed up in two words: "NIGHTBURN!!!" and "Golems!!"."GOLEMS!!". Many fans find his unwavering optimism to mean that he's out of touch with reality...or that he's [[WhatAnIdiot just plain dumb]]. His motto ''"You can do anything as long as you don't give up."'' became so repetitive that ''everybody'' starts saying it.
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