History YMMV / Westworld

30th Aug '17 11:17:57 AM KingClark
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* CounterpartComparison: Robert Ford, a tragically sympathetic figure in the vein of Dr. Frankenstein but emotionally restrained and with some added villainy thrown in. Ford even quotes Victor Frankenstein at some point.

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Robert Ford, a tragically sympathetic figure in the vein of Dr. Frankenstein but emotionally restrained and with some added villainy thrown in. Ford even quotes Victor Frankenstein at some point.
20th Aug '17 2:21:29 PM TastySauce
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* NauseaFuel: Maeve's maintenance techs commenting that her organic parts have been harboring an infestation of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methicillin-resistant_Staphylococcus_aureus MRSA]] courtesy of the beating her innards take from sloppy guests. It takes some of the shine off the whole concept of {{sexbot}}s readily accessible to any and all visitors. (If the uncanny valley factor and the pathetic fate of the hosts wasn't enough to turn you off.)

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* NauseaFuel: Maeve's maintenance techs commenting that her organic parts have been harboring an infestation of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methicillin-resistant_Staphylococcus_aureus MRSA]] courtesy of the beating her innards take from sloppy guests. It takes some of the shine off the whole concept of {{sexbot}}s readily accessible to any and all visitors. (If the uncanny valley factor and the pathetic fate of the hosts wasn't weren't enough to turn you off.)
20th Aug '17 2:13:15 PM TastySauce
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* RewatchBonus: [[spoiler:Along with the reveal that Bernard was modeled after Arnold comes the realization that we were actually watching Arnold in those scenes of Jeffrey Wright encouraging Delores' development.]]
** To say nothing of the knowledge that the Man in Black is [[spoiler:actually William and there are at least two main timelines]]. Some of the editing makes it seem almost blindingly obvious in hindsight, e.g. [[spoiler:the Man in Black reminiscing about how it all began... Cutting ''straight'' to a sequence of William arriving by train, which upon the first watch-trough you would have assumed was unconnected.]]

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[[spoiler:Along with the reveal that Bernard was modeled after Arnold comes the realization that we were actually watching Arnold in those scenes of Jeffrey Wright encouraging Delores' Dolores' development.]]
** To say nothing of the knowledge that the Man in Black is [[spoiler:actually William and there are at least two main timelines]]. Some of the editing makes it seem almost blindingly obvious in hindsight, e.g. [[spoiler:the Man in Black reminiscing about how it all began... Cutting ''straight'' to a sequence of William arriving by train, which upon the first watch-trough watch-through you would have assumed was unconnected.]]
20th Aug '17 12:48:12 PM TastySauce
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* CatharsisFactor: [[spoiler:Dolores beating the ever-loving shit out of the Man in Black in the season finale is just deserts for all of the horrible things he's put her and the other hosts through over the years. It's played with in that the Man in Black used to be the very sympathetic character William, and it's possible to feel sorry for him for that very reason. It's also clearly only there for the benefit of the audience who have been rooting for her, since ultimately Dolores' true fate is to instigate the Host revolution by killing Ford, and the Man in Black is still alive by the end of the season]].

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* CatharsisFactor: [[spoiler:Dolores beating the ever-loving shit out of the Man in Black in the season finale is just deserts desserts for all of the horrible things he's put her and the other hosts through over the years. It's played with in that the Man in Black used to be the very sympathetic character William, and it's possible to feel sorry for him for that very reason. It's also clearly only there for the benefit of the audience who have been rooting for her, since ultimately Dolores' true fate is to instigate the Host revolution by killing Ford, and the Man in Black is still alive by the end of the season]].
20th Aug '17 12:42:52 PM TastySauce
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** To say nothing of the knowledge that the Man in Black is [[spoiler:actually William and there are at least two main timelines]]. Some of the editing makes it seem almost blindingly obvious in hindsight, e.g. [[spoiler:the Man in Black reminiscing about how it all began... cutting ''straight'' to a sequence of William arriving by train, which upon the first watch-trough you would have assumed was unconnected.]]

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** To say nothing of the knowledge that the Man in Black is [[spoiler:actually William and there are at least two main timelines]]. Some of the editing makes it seem almost blindingly obvious in hindsight, e.g. [[spoiler:the Man in Black reminiscing about how it all began... cutting Cutting ''straight'' to a sequence of William arriving by train, which upon the first watch-trough you would have assumed was unconnected.]]



** In "Trompe L'oeil", the scene where William chases after Dolores on the train has some hilariously awful green screen.

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** In "Trompe L'oeil", L'Oeil", the scene where William chases after Dolores on the train has some hilariously awful green screen.



* UncannyValley: Thanks to good performances from the actors, the hosts give off the feeling of beings trying to ''act'' human but not quite succeeding, and it gets even worse when the hosts start outright malfunctioning. One example is when Dr. Ford shares a drink with an older model who jerks around like a decades-old animatronic robot but looks completely human, enhancing that one's specific effect. This is also played with, as Lee actually actually wants to keep the hosts in the valley so the guests don't actually identify them as being real humans.

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* UncannyValley: Thanks to good performances from the actors, the hosts give off the feeling of beings trying to ''act'' human but not quite succeeding, and it gets even worse when the hosts start outright malfunctioning. One example is when Dr. Ford shares a drink with an older model who jerks around like a decades-old animatronic robot but looks completely human, enhancing that one's specific effect. This is also played with, as Lee actually actually wants to keep the hosts in the valley so the guests don't actually identify them as being real humans.
23rd Jul '17 2:25:16 AM KingClark
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** Ramin Djawadi's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UCwXjVPbXw "Violent Delights"]] that plays in the season one finale [[spoiler: when Hector and Armistice effortlessly kill the Delos security team.]]

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** Ramin Djawadi's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UCwXjVPbXw "Violent Delights"]] that plays in the season one finale [[spoiler: when [[spoiler:when Hector and Armistice effortlessly kill the Delos security team.]]



* HilariousInHindsight: The fact that the finale features an [[spoiler: uprising of sex robots]] hasn't gone unnoticed to some Website/{{Cracked}} fans who notice that [[http://www.cracked.com/video_20014_why-terminators-are-probably-just-sex-robots.html one of their videos]] posits that as the basis for the entire ''Franchise/{{Terminator}}'' franchise.

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* HilariousInHindsight: The fact that the finale features an [[spoiler: uprising [[spoiler:uprising of sex robots]] hasn't gone unnoticed to some Website/{{Cracked}} fans who notice that [[http://www.cracked.com/video_20014_why-terminators-are-probably-just-sex-robots.html one of their videos]] posits that as the basis for the entire ''Franchise/{{Terminator}}'' franchise.



** Even [[spoiler: William isn't immune]]. While it's definitely a KickTheSonOfABitch moment, [[spoiler: sending your brother-in-law to be out naked, tied to a horse, out of the park]] is a pretty reprehensible fact. It's unclear if he intends for him to die, but he does know that Logan won't be taking over the family business after this.

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** Even [[spoiler: William [[spoiler:William isn't immune]]. While it's definitely a KickTheSonOfABitch moment, [[spoiler: sending [[spoiler:sending your brother-in-law to be out naked, tied to a horse, out of the park]] is a pretty reprehensible fact. It's unclear if he intends for him to die, but he does know that Logan won't be taking over the family business after this.



* ShipSinking: [[spoiler: TheReveal that William is the Man in Black sinks the William/Dolores ship HARD]].

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* ShipSinking: [[spoiler: TheReveal [[spoiler:The reveal that William is the Man in Black sinks torpedoes the William/Dolores ship HARD]].ship.]]



** Below all his inscrutable powerplays and [[JerkassWoobie sinister]] schemes, Dr. Ford has a pained, contrite soul. [[spoiler: He went ahead with the park after the hurtful death of Arnold because the park was his dream and acknowledging the hosts' consciousness would have destroyed his dream, only to realize his mistake shortly after. It takes him 35 years to correct it, biding their time with a hidden agenda while fully knowing that mankind's usage of his creations is something depraved.]]

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** Below all his inscrutable powerplays and [[JerkassWoobie sinister]] schemes, Dr. Ford has a pained, contrite soul. [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He went ahead with the park after the hurtful death of Arnold because the park was his dream and acknowledging the hosts' consciousness would have destroyed his dream, only to realize his mistake shortly after. It takes him 35 years to correct it, biding their time with a hidden agenda while fully knowing that mankind's usage of his creations is something depraved.]]



** [[spoiler: The entire Delos Board of Directors. Special mention goes to Charlotte Hale for thinking that Ford would simply retire quietly and not have some trick up his sleeve. Not to mention ending up somewhere you are cut off from the rest of the world with no means of escape. It didn't occur to anyone to have at least a Satellite Phone or an Emergency Locator Beacon handy?]]

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** [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The entire Delos Board of Directors. Special mention goes to Charlotte Hale for thinking that Ford would simply retire quietly and not have some trick up his sleeve. Not to mention ending up somewhere you are cut off from the rest of the world with no means of escape. It didn't occur to anyone to have at least a Satellite Phone or an Emergency Locator Beacon handy?]]
21st Jul '17 2:56:15 PM Hekateras
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** To say nothing of the knowledge that the Man in Black is [[spoiler:actually William and there are at least two main timelines]]. Some of the editing makes it seem almost blindingly obvious in hindsight, e.g. [[spoiler:the Man in Black reminiscing about how it all began... cutting ''straight'' to a sequence of William arriving by train, which upon the first watch-trough you would have assumed was unconnected.]]
27th Jun '17 11:18:50 AM JamesAustin
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* RetroactiveRecognition: By only a ''few weeks'' technically, but Trevante Rhodes, who would soon rocket to stardom for playing the adult version of Chiron in ''Film/{{Moonlight}}'' (which later won Best Picture at the Oscars) briefly appears as an extra in a whorehouse in "The Original".

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* RetroactiveRecognition: By only a ''few weeks'' technically, but Trevante Rhodes, who would soon rocket to stardom for playing the adult version of Chiron in ''Film/{{Moonlight}}'' ''Film/Moonlight2016'' (which later won Best Picture at the Oscars) briefly appears as an extra in a whorehouse in "The Original".



* ShipSinking: [[spoiler: TheReveal that William is the Man In Black sinks the William/Dolores ship HARD]].

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* ShipSinking: [[spoiler: TheReveal that William is the Man In in Black sinks the William/Dolores ship HARD]].
15th Jun '17 6:42:11 PM TastySauce
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** Dr. Robert Ford: a misanthropic sociopath with a god complex or a paternalist, WellIntentionedExtremist who genuinely tries to protect his unique creatures from being revealed as a threat to mankind? [[spoiler:"The Bicameral Mind" gives the answer that Ford is, in fact, TheAtoner who considers opening the park a mistake. But does this negate his God complex or just render him the ultimate misanthrope? Is he motivated by the loss of Arnold, a genuine love for the Hosts, or an overriding hatred for humanity?]]
** The Man in Black/[[spoiler:William: Was William an evil and selfish man at his core all along, or he is just as much a victim of Westworld as the Hosts due to the park's brutality, Logan's machinations and his own dissatisfaction with life? Was his evil unveiled, or created? He does say he was 'born' in Westworld, and while he claims to be a straight-up sociopath who doesn't feel anything, the showrunners seem to consider that to be his ''own'' view, and while he didn't react to killing Maeve's daughter as he expected to, he certainly ''did'' react. He also seems to be full of self-loathing and rage, which doesn't fit the profile of a sociopath who truly feels nothing. Dolores also believes that he was a good person who genuinely loved her but was twisted by a broken heart and years of increasing violence, but Logan may be right that deep down, Dolores was nothing but an excuse. Is a part of him still in love with Dolores, and his cruelty toward her is a desperate attempt to 'wake her up' since he expresses the belief that suffering is what makes a person truly real? And, although it's hard to argue with the implication of the barn scene, ''did'' he rape Dolores and has he ever? Or was he torturing her in a further attempt to wake her up?]]

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** Dr. Robert Ford: a misanthropic sociopath with a god complex or a paternalist, WellIntentionedExtremist who genuinely tries to protect his unique creatures from being revealed as a threat to mankind? [[spoiler:"The Bicameral Mind" gives the answer that Ford is, in fact, TheAtoner who considers opening the park a mistake. But does this negate his God complex or just render him the ultimate misanthrope? Is he motivated by the loss of Arnold, a genuine love for the Hosts, hosts, or an overriding hatred for humanity?]]
** The Man in Black/[[spoiler:William: Was William an evil and selfish man at his core all along, or he is just as much a victim of Westworld as the Hosts hosts due to the park's brutality, Logan's machinations and his own dissatisfaction with life? Was his evil unveiled, or created? He does say he was 'born' in Westworld, and while he claims to be a straight-up sociopath who doesn't feel anything, the showrunners seem to consider that to be his ''own'' view, and while he didn't react to killing Maeve's daughter as he expected to, he certainly ''did'' react. He also seems to be full of self-loathing and rage, which doesn't fit the profile of a sociopath who truly feels nothing. Dolores also believes that he was a good person who genuinely loved her but was twisted by a broken heart and years of increasing violence, but Logan may be right that deep down, Dolores was nothing but an excuse. Is a part of him still in love with Dolores, and his cruelty toward her is a desperate attempt to 'wake her up' since he expresses the belief that suffering is what makes a person truly real? And, although it's hard to argue with the implication of the barn scene, ''did'' he rape Dolores and has he ever? Or was he torturing her in a further attempt to wake her up?]]



* CatharsisFactor: [[spoiler:Dolores beating the ever-loving shit out of the Man in Black in the season finale is just deserts for all of the horrible things he's put her and the other Hosts through over the years. It's played with in that the Man in Black used to be the very sympathetic character William, and it's possible to feel sorry for him for that very reason. It's also clearly only there for the benefit of the audience who have been rooting for her, since ultimately Dolores' true fate is to instigate the Host revolution by killing Ford, and the Man in Black is still alive by the end of the season]].

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* CatharsisFactor: [[spoiler:Dolores beating the ever-loving shit out of the Man in Black in the season finale is just deserts for all of the horrible things he's put her and the other Hosts hosts through over the years. It's played with in that the Man in Black used to be the very sympathetic character William, and it's possible to feel sorry for him for that very reason. It's also clearly only there for the benefit of the audience who have been rooting for her, since ultimately Dolores' true fate is to instigate the Host revolution by killing Ford, and the Man in Black is still alive by the end of the season]].



* MagnificentBastard: [[spoiler:The entire first season is Ford's ascension to this status, his ultimate loop being nothing less than giving the Hosts true artificial intelligence and giving the mother of all karmic punishments to Delos for their treatment of them. And it all goes exactly as planned.]]

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* MagnificentBastard: [[spoiler:The entire first season is Ford's ascension to this status, his ultimate loop being nothing less than giving the Hosts hosts true artificial intelligence and giving the mother of all karmic punishments to Delos for their treatment of them. And it all goes exactly as planned.]]



* NauseaFuel: Maeve's maintenance techs commenting that her organic parts have been harboring an infestation of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methicillin-resistant_Staphylococcus_aureus MRSA]] courtesy of the beating her innards take from sloppy guests. It takes some of the shine off the whole concept of {{sexbot}}s readily accessible to any and all visitors. (If the uncanny valley factor and the pathetic fate of the Hosts wasn't enough to turn you off.)

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* NauseaFuel: Maeve's maintenance techs commenting that her organic parts have been harboring an infestation of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methicillin-resistant_Staphylococcus_aureus MRSA]] courtesy of the beating her innards take from sloppy guests. It takes some of the shine off the whole concept of {{sexbot}}s readily accessible to any and all visitors. (If the uncanny valley factor and the pathetic fate of the Hosts hosts wasn't enough to turn you off.)



** What is it about the Hosts that every fly in Westworld wants to frolic on their eyes and face? Lampshaded by maintenance techs in the second episode as the constant violent and sexual abuse the Hosts get along with half-assed cleaning measures makes the Hosts filthy and draw flies.

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** What is it about the Hosts hosts that every fly in Westworld wants to frolic on their eyes and face? Lampshaded by maintenance techs in the second episode as the constant violent and sexual abuse the Hosts hosts get along with half-assed cleaning measures makes the Hosts hosts filthy and draw flies.



** Below all his inescrutable powerplays and [[JerkassWoobie sinister]] schemes, Dr. Ford has a pained, contrite soul. [[spoiler: He went ahead with the park after the hurtful death of Arnold because the park was his dream and acknowledging the Hosts' consciousness would have destroyed his dream, only to realize his mistake shortly after. It takes him 35 years to correct it, bidding their time with a hidden agenda while fully knowing that mankind's usage of his creations is something depraved.]]

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** Below all his inescrutable inscrutable powerplays and [[JerkassWoobie sinister]] schemes, Dr. Ford has a pained, contrite soul. [[spoiler: He went ahead with the park after the hurtful death of Arnold because the park was his dream and acknowledging the Hosts' hosts' consciousness would have destroyed his dream, only to realize his mistake shortly after. It takes him 35 years to correct it, bidding biding their time with a hidden agenda while fully knowing that mankind's usage of his creations is something depraved.]]



** And again in "The Well-Tempered Clavier" a scene that takes place in more recent past Hopkins is made to look about 10-15 years younger very convincingly.

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** And again in "The Well-Tempered Clavier" Clavier", in a scene that takes place in more the recent past past, Hopkins is made to look about 10-15 ten to fifteen years younger very convincingly.
12th May '17 7:47:42 PM gunslingerofgilead
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* RetroactiveRecognition: By only a ''few weeks'' technically, but Trevante Rhodes, who would soon rocket to stardom for playing the adult version of Chiron in ''Film/{{Moonlight}}'' (which later won Best Picture at the Oscars) briefly appears as an extra in a whorehouse in "The Original".
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