History YMMV / WarriorsOrochi

18th Jun '18 9:06:22 PM SneaselSawashiro
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** Also the fact that as of the third installment, characters who come from the modern day time period (e.g. the ''Dead or Alive'' characters) don't even realize they're fighting alongside historical people, nor do the said Three Kingdoms and Sengoku figures alike (along with a few others) realize their new companions are actually from the far-distant future (and not just another dimension). Ayane so far is the only one who catches on the fact that she's encountered a version of the Minamoto-no-Yoshitsune, and even said herself "I've read about you in my history books"; that point isn't ever touched upon onwards.

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** Also the fact that as of the third installment, characters who come from the modern day time period (e.g. the ''Dead or Alive'' characters) don't even realize they're fighting alongside historical people, nor do the said Three Kingdoms and Sengoku figures alike (along with a few others) realize their new companions are actually from the far-distant future (and not just another dimension). Ayane so far is the only one who catches on the fact that she's encountered a version of the very Minamoto-no-Yoshitsune, and even said herself "I've read about you in my history books"; that point isn't ever touched upon onwards.
30th May '18 7:15:24 PM sayaleviathan
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** Two ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 9'' characters, Zhou Cang and Xin Xianying, have gotten their [=DW9=] moveset converted into [=DW8=] moveset (via ''VideoGame/WarriorsAllStars'' and ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors Unleashed'') and with ''[=DW8=] Empires'', there will be some weapons from ''8'' in general that will end up unused. Yet Koei sticked with their principles to not include anyone from [=DW9=] at all. Likewise, ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors Spirit of Sanada'' used the same moveset as [=SW4=], but none of the characters from that game got involved[[note]]While it's plausible that they couldn't come up with unique weapons for Takeda Katsuyori and Tokugawa Hidetada or still considering whether to use younger or older Sanada Masayuki; Chacha and Sasuke had no excuse.[[/note]]

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** Two ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 9'' characters, Zhou Cang and Xin Xianying, have gotten their [=DW9=] moveset converted into [=DW8=] moveset (via ''VideoGame/WarriorsAllStars'' and ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors Unleashed'') and with ''[=DW8=] Empires'', there will be some weapons from ''8'' in general that will end up unused. Yet Koei sticked with their principles to not include anyone from [=DW9=] at all. Likewise, ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors Spirit of Sanada'' used the same moveset as [=SW4=], but none of the characters from that game got involved[[note]]While it's plausible involved. It's justified that they couldn't come up with unique weapons for Takeda Katsuyori ''4'' was in development since 2016 which explains why the [=DW9=] and Tokugawa Hidetada or still considering whether ''Spirit of Sanada'' characters are not going to use younger or older Sanada Masayuki; Chacha and Sasuke had no excuse.[[/note]]be in the game ''yet''.
16th May '18 8:27:40 AM ChrisX
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: As time passed and both ''Dynasty'' and ''Samurai'' added more characters, the games are slightly dampened in quality since it will not allow you to play as other historical officers who debuted ''afterwards''. Thankfully this would be averted in ''Warriors Orochi 4'', but as long as Koei kept introducing new characters in the original Dynasty or Samurai Warriors games, it seemed inevitable to happen again in the future. In fact, ''4'' seems to not include characters from ''Dynasty Warriors 9'' and ''Samurai Warriors Spirit of Sanada''. ''[=DW9=]'' players are more understanding due to the difference between combat system (though laments that they have given [=DW8=] movesets to some characters like Zhou Cang in ''VideoGame/WarriorsAllStars'' and Xin Xianying in ''Dynasty Warriors Unleashed''), the ''[=SW4=]'' newcomers had the exact same moveset system so people are confused why that one got skipped. (Either they got confused on which version of Sanada Masayuki (young/old) to include, or what unique weapon would be given to Takeda Katsuyori and Tokugawa Hidetada (both of them were using generic officer movesets), but those didn't apply to Chacha or Sasuke)

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: As time passed and both ''Dynasty'' and ''Samurai'' added more characters, the games are slightly dampened in quality since it will not allow you to play as other historical officers who debuted ''afterwards''. Thankfully this would be averted in ''Warriors Orochi 4'', but as long as Koei kept introducing new characters in the original Dynasty or Samurai Warriors games, it seemed inevitable to happen again in the future. In fact, ''4'' seems to not include characters from ''Dynasty Warriors 9'' and ''Samurai Warriors Spirit of Sanada''. ''[=DW9=]'' players are more understanding due to the difference between combat system (though laments that they have given [=DW8=] movesets to some characters like Zhou Cang in ''VideoGame/WarriorsAllStars'' and Xin Xianying in ''Dynasty Warriors Unleashed''), the ''[=SW4=]'' newcomers had the exact same moveset system so people are confused why that one got skipped. (Either they got confused on which version of Sanada Masayuki (young/old) to include, or what unique weapon would be given to Takeda Katsuyori and Tokugawa Hidetada (both of them were using generic officer movesets), but those didn't apply to Chacha or Sasuke)
16th May '18 8:26:35 AM ChrisX
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** Two ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 9'' characters, Zhou Cang and Xin Xianying, have gotten their [=DW9=] moveset converted into [=DW8=] moveset (via ''VideoGame/WarriorsAllStars'' and ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors Unleashed'' and with ''[=DW8=] Empires'', there will be some weapons from ''8'' in general that will end up unused. Yet Koei sticked with their principles to not include anyone from [=DW9=] at all. Likewise, ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors Spirit of Sanada'' used the same moveset as [=SW4=], but none of the characters from that game got involved[[note]]While it's plausible that they couldn't come up with unique weapons for Takeda Katsuyori and Tokugawa Hidetada or still considering whether to use younger or older Sanada Masayuki; Chacha and Sasuke had no excuse.[[/note]]

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** Two ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 9'' characters, Zhou Cang and Xin Xianying, have gotten their [=DW9=] moveset converted into [=DW8=] moveset (via ''VideoGame/WarriorsAllStars'' and ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors Unleashed'' Unleashed'') and with ''[=DW8=] Empires'', there will be some weapons from ''8'' in general that will end up unused. Yet Koei sticked with their principles to not include anyone from [=DW9=] at all. Likewise, ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors Spirit of Sanada'' used the same moveset as [=SW4=], but none of the characters from that game got involved[[note]]While it's plausible that they couldn't come up with unique weapons for Takeda Katsuyori and Tokugawa Hidetada or still considering whether to use younger or older Sanada Masayuki; Chacha and Sasuke had no excuse.[[/note]]
16th May '18 8:25:58 AM ChrisX
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** Two ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 9'' characters, Zhou Cang and Xin Xianying, have gotten their [=DW9=] moveset converted into [=DW8=] moveset (via ''VideoGame/WarriorsAllStars'' and ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors Unleashed'' and with ''[=DW8=] Empires'', there will be some weapons from ''8'' in general that will end up unused. Yet Koei sticked with their principles to not include anyone from [=DW9=] at all. Likewise, ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors Spirit of Sanada'' used the same moveset as [=SW4=], but none of the characters from that game got involved[[note]]While it's plausible that they couldn't come up with unique weapons for Takeda Katsuyori and Tokugawa Hidetada or still considering whether to use younger or older Sanada Masayuki; Chacha and Sasuke had no excuse.[[/note]]
15th May '18 11:35:16 PM ChrisX
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** Similarly with Achilles, the exclusion of Joan of Arc. While she has no dealings with Zeus, both ''VideoGame/BladeStormTheHundredYearsWar'' and ''VideoGame/WarriorsLegendsOfTroy'' are based on history as opposed to other fictional collaborations so they could fit in perfectly within the context of WO as the gateway for French, England, Greek and Troy groups (this can include other characters like Edward the Black Prince, La Hire, Gilles de Rais, Ajax, Hector, Penthesilea). Yet, Koei decided to just focus on the Eastern parts first, lumping the two games with the other fictional collaboration.
** ''4'' has declared that the main focus would still be Orochi and the Chinese and Japanese cast of the old timeline, while Zeus is mentioned as the BiggerBad or ManBehindTheMan, the main storyline bulk will go to Orochi and the Eastern counterparts since they have to rebuild things from scratch. A focus on the Western mythology would've been interesting, since Greek myth has a plethora of heroes beyond Achilles, but unfortunately, the Western myth's representations are just Zeus and a few Olympians.
14th May '18 1:05:38 PM SunGuyThe3rd
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** As mentioned in BrokenBase, Achilles won't be coming back for ''Warriors Orochi 4'', despite the fact that he's a literal Greek demigod who fought in a long, costly war that lasted for far longer than it should have thanks to the Olympians [[JerkassGods being themselves.]] Dropping him into a conflict involving the Greek gods seems like a no-brainer. It would have also been interesting to see how Sophitia would have dealt with her patron deities, but she wasn't owned by KT in the first place, so her exclusion is not as surprising.
11th May '18 2:52:46 AM sayaleviathan
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* BrokenBase: The announcement that Koei would be removing Guest characters. Some are okay because it will let KOEI focus on the Sangoku/Sengoku characters and the mystics while the guest characters fit into ''VideoGame/WarriorsAllStars'' more. Some are aghast that they removed what made [=WO3=] great, and removing characters have always been a reviled action which caused [=DW6=] to be looked down upon and since ''VideoGame/WarriorsAllStars'' was considered by many as not-so-stellar, they fear that they won't see the guest characters anymore. Additionally, among the cut characters, both [[VideoGame/BladestormTheHundredYearsWar Joan of Arc]] and [[VideoGame/WarriorsLegendsOfTroy Achilles]] are also cut, these two has a bigger chance to fit in with the Orochi series as they are historical characters from historical games, and it's also considered jarring that Achilles would be cut despite the Greek Gods making appearance in ''4''.

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* BrokenBase: The announcement that Koei would be removing Guest characters. characters in ''Warriors Orochi 4''. Some are okay because it will let KOEI focus on the Sangoku/Sengoku ''Dynasty'' and ''Samurai Warrior'' characters and the mystics while the guest characters fit into ''VideoGame/WarriorsAllStars'' more. Some are aghast that they removed what made [=WO3=] great, and removing characters have always been a reviled action which caused [=DW6=] to be looked down upon and since ''VideoGame/WarriorsAllStars'' was considered by many as not-so-stellar, they fear that they won't see the guest characters anymore. Additionally, among the cut characters, both [[VideoGame/BladestormTheHundredYearsWar Joan of Arc]] and [[VideoGame/WarriorsLegendsOfTroy Achilles]] are also cut, these two has a bigger chance to fit in with the Orochi series as they are historical characters from historical games, and it's also considered jarring that Achilles would be cut despite the Greek Gods making appearance in ''4''.
10th May '18 9:09:10 AM ChrisX
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** The announcement of ''4'' also has a clear message that the series will be back using the traditional Musou stage format and moveset style. Those who has been disillusioned with the change in moveset style and the venture to open world in ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 9'' were regaining their faith on Koei.
10th May '18 5:19:02 AM ChrisX
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The TrueEnding for ''3'' was very poorly received as it consisted of [[spoiler:the fighters being returned to their respective eras/worlds as the dimension Orochi made collapses. The problem is everybody involved [[EasyAmnesia loses all memory]] of the {{Crossover}} series, meaning everything might as well have never happened, thus they resume their historical roles, going to war against the other factions in their respective franchise. When one considers the storyline of ''3'' was meant to bring humanity together, putting aside ambitions, grudges, selfishness, etc., to work for the greater good]]. This left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. ''3: Ultimate'' extended Story Mode by {{Retcon}}ning the TrueEnding of ''3'' and continues it via the good ending, instead. Furthemore, the actual ending of ''Ultimate'' [[spoiler:ensures nobody loses their memories; while characters from different franchises still part ways forever, characters from the same franchise aren't likely to kill one another or otherwise come into conflict with]], a stark contrast from the TrueEnding of ''3''.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The TrueEnding for ''3'' was very poorly received as it consisted of [[spoiler:the fighters being returned to their respective eras/worlds as the dimension Orochi made collapses. The problem is everybody involved [[EasyAmnesia loses all memory]] of the {{Crossover}} series, meaning everything might as well have never happened, thus they resume their historical roles, going to war against the other factions in their respective franchise. When one considers the storyline of ''3'' was meant to bring humanity together, putting aside ambitions, grudges, selfishness, etc., to work for the greater good]]. This left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. ''3: Ultimate'' extended Story Mode by {{Retcon}}ning the TrueEnding of ''3'' and continues it via the good ending, instead. Furthemore, the actual ending of ''Ultimate'' [[spoiler:ensures nobody loses their memories; while characters from different franchises still part ways forever, characters from the same franchise aren't likely to kill one another or otherwise come into conflict with]], a stark contrast from the TrueEnding of ''3''. Unfortunately, ''4'' takes after the vanilla ''3'' ending in order to revisit the roots and starting anew, though the Mystics retained the memories.
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