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2nd Jun '17 8:32:19 AM TheGrimReefer
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** [[https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Slambo Slambo]], a generic axe-wielding Chaos Warrior model from an early edition. Thanks to his old-school design and unique "viking halo" helmet, he’s been adopted as something of a mascot by the portions of the community still flying the old colors in the wake of the [[TabletopGame/WarhammerAgeOfSigmar changes]] wrought by the End Times. This surge of popularity even earned him a new official resin model in 2017.
11th Apr '17 9:52:17 AM Theriocephalus
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** Likewise, the Bretonnia can be either the hallmark of feudal chivalry with brave knights and steadfast peasant archers, a bucolic alternative to Empire or a haughty feudal state with snobbish, foolhardy and clueless aristocracy and DungAges downtrodden peasants no better than slaves.
** The forces of Chaos, in stark contrast to their 40k counterparts, can actually be considered to be in a gray area, as they have their own deep warrior culture and aren't actually doing anything worse than their counterparts (for a measure), since their raiding and pillaging is completely in-line with their culture's morality. They still worship Daemons and their gods want to destroy the world though.
* [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Americans Love Lizardmen and Skaven]]: Pretty much. The two armies aren't that popular in Britain, but over the Atlantic, they're both very commonly collected.
* AuthorsSavingThrow: With respect to Orcs and Goblins. After Grimgor Ironhide was portrayed as effortlessly beating Archaon the Everchosen into the ground in the official ending story of the Storm of Chaos, Games Workshop had him get involved in the Nemesis Crown campaign, where he was blown to pieces by the very ArtifactOfDoom he was seeking.
** To be fair though, Grimgor blind-sided him and Archaon had already been injured from his fights with Valten and Luthor and various others right before. So it is at least somewhat plausible.
*** This may also be why Grimgor is still to be found in the most recent Orcs and Goblins army book, and also why the Nemesis Crown campaign was an exclusively online event, rather than being featured in ''Magazine/WhiteDwarf'' like most of the recent big campaigns (Abaddon's 13th Black Crusade, Albion, the aforementioned Storm of Chaos...).

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** Likewise, the Bretonnia can be is either the hallmark of feudal chivalry with brave knights and steadfast peasant archers, a bucolic alternative to Empire or a haughty feudal state with snobbish, foolhardy and clueless aristocracy and DungAges downtrodden peasants no better than slaves.
** The forces of Chaos, in stark contrast to their 40k ''40k'' counterparts, can actually be considered to be in a gray area, as they have their own deep warrior culture and aren't actually doing anything worse than their counterparts (for a measure), since their raiding and pillaging is completely in-line with their culture's morality. They still worship Daemons and their gods want to destroy the world though.
* [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Americans Love Lizardmen and Skaven]]: Pretty much. The two armies aren't that popular in Britain, but over the Atlantic, they're both very commonly collected.
* AuthorsSavingThrow: With respect to Orcs and Goblins. After Grimgor Ironhide was portrayed as effortlessly beating Archaon the Everchosen into the ground in the official ending story of the Storm of Chaos, Games Workshop had him get involved in the Nemesis Crown campaign, where he was blown to pieces by the very ArtifactOfDoom he was seeking.
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seeking. To be fair though, Grimgor blind-sided him and Archaon had already been injured from his fights with Valten and Luthor and various others right before. So it is at least somewhat plausible. \n*** This may also be why Grimgor is still to be found in the most recent Orcs and Goblins army book, and also why the Nemesis Crown campaign was an exclusively online event, rather than being featured in ''Magazine/WhiteDwarf'' like most of the recent big campaigns (Abaddon's 13th Black Crusade, Albion, the aforementioned Storm of Chaos...).



** Generally, every new army book will break ''two'' bases -- the opposing armies will complain about how many great things the new army got, or how their features are better than the features of the players' armies; the players of the new army book will complain about all of the flaws, or how they can't play the way they used to.
*** A perfect example is the 8th edition High Elves book -- Rival players immediately broke into an uproar over how powerful the Frost Phoenix, Book of Hoeth and ''especially'' The Banner of the World Dragon (a 2+ Ward Save against all Magical Attacks, and there are a ''lot'' of those) were. The book was virtually a TierInducedScrappy (with even many Elf players refusing to use the magic items in particular), yet many High Elf players immediately complained when the Dark Elf book came out with some tricks that were noticeably better than their High Elf versions.

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** Generally, every new army book will break ''two'' bases -- the opposing armies will complain about how many great things the new army got, or how their features are better than the features of the players' armies; the players of the new army book will complain about all of the flaws, or how they can't play the way they used to.
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to. A perfect example is the 8th edition High Elves book -- Rival book: rival players immediately broke into an uproar over how powerful the Frost Phoenix, Book of Hoeth and ''especially'' The the Banner of the World Dragon (a 2+ Ward Save against all Magical Attacks, and there are a ''lot'' of those) were. The book was virtually a TierInducedScrappy (with even many Elf players refusing to use the magic items in particular), yet many High Elf players immediately complained when the Dark Elf book came out with some tricks that were noticeably better than their High Elf versions.



* CreatorsPet: Grimgor Ironhide. Many fans dislike him for replacing a better thought out Black Orc character, but writers love him, having him stop Archaon at the last minute rather than any of the characters set up as Archaon's ACTUAL enemies (though this was due to the results of the White Dwarf campaign, not authorial fiat).
** Talking about Archaon, he would get nowhere in the Storm of Chaos campaign, had the organizers not opted to [[TheGMIsACheatingBastard make it more "dramatic"]]. Needless to say some on the side of Order complained.

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* CreatorsPet: CreatorsPet:
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Grimgor Ironhide. Many fans dislike him for replacing a better thought out thought-out Black Orc character, but writers love him, having him stop Archaon at the last minute rather than any of the characters set up as Archaon's ACTUAL enemies (though this was due to the results of the White Dwarf campaign, not authorial fiat).
** Talking about Archaon, he would get have gotten nowhere in the Storm of Chaos campaign, had the organizers not opted to [[TheGMIsACheatingBastard make it more "dramatic"]]. Needless to say some on the side of Order complained.



* FanNickname: Slann Mage-Priests, are, of course, [[{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}} the Hypnotoad]].

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Slann Mage-Priests, are, of course, [[{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}} the Hypnotoad]].



* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Americans Love Lizardmen and Skaven. The two armies aren't that popular in Britain, but over the Atlantic, they're both very commonly collected.



* TierInducedScrappy: Vampire Counts and Daemons of Chaos, especially the latter.
** Ogre Kingdoms were this for a while, until their 8th edition update made them a common tournament army. Wood Elves also suffered a long lull between updates until late 8th edition.

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* TierInducedScrappy: TierInducedScrappy:
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Vampire Counts and Daemons of Chaos, especially the latter.
** The Ogre Kingdoms were this for a while, until their 8th edition update made them a common tournament army. Wood Elves also suffered a long lull between updates until late 8th edition.
11th Aug '16 8:38:55 PM Angeldeb82
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** Depending on your point of view ([[DependingOnTheWriter or that of the writer]]) TheEmpire is either [[HighFantasy an enlightened, civilized, and honorable nation,]] [[CrapsackWorld a corrupt wreck that's about to fall apart at any moment,]] [[DarkFantasy or a brutally powerful dictatorship which holds effective control over the civilized world.]]
** Likewise, the Bretonnia can be either the hallmark of feudal chivalry with brave knights and steadfast peasant archers, a bucolic alternative to Empire or a haughty feudal state with snobbish, foolhardy and clueless aristocracy and {{Dung Ages}} downtrodden peasants no better than slaves.

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** Depending on your point of view ([[DependingOnTheWriter or that of the writer]]) TheEmpire is either [[HighFantasy an enlightened, civilized, and honorable nation,]] nation]], [[CrapsackWorld a corrupt wreck that's about to fall apart at any moment,]] moment]], [[DarkFantasy or a brutally powerful dictatorship which holds effective control over the civilized world.]]
world]].
** Likewise, the Bretonnia can be either the hallmark of feudal chivalry with brave knights and steadfast peasant archers, a bucolic alternative to Empire or a haughty feudal state with snobbish, foolhardy and clueless aristocracy and {{Dung Ages}} DungAges downtrodden peasants no better than slaves.



* VillainSue: Some of the villains in the setting turn into this.
** The biggest individual case is Grimgor Ironhide, who marches right into the heart of the dwarf territory, and they can't push him out. He marches right up to the door step of one of the four major Skaven clans, and they can force him away. Both cases he leaves just because he got BORED. The only time he lost was against the army of Chaos Warriors gathered by Vardek Crom, and by the end of Storm of Chaos, it's him, not the characters from the forces allied against Chaos, that defeats Archaon, and due to CanonDiscontinuity of Storm of Chaos and Nemesis Crown, it means the only times he loses never happened.
** Archaon himself has been criticized as this because how the Storm of Chaos campaign completely ignored the results of the game campaign -- the ''lore'' said that each army was defeated by Chaos or at best delayed the inevitable, but in the ''tabletop battles'' Chaos [[CurbStompBattle was stomped into the mud]] [[HumiliationConga by virtually every other faction]] -- to allow him to almost destroy the world before Grimgor stomped him good.
5th Jun '16 5:48:10 PM FearlessSon
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Depending on your point of view (or that of the writer) TheEmpire is either [[HighFantasy an enlightened, civilized, and honorable nation,]] [[CrapsackWorld a corrupt wreck that's about to fall apart at any moment,]] [[DarkFantasy or a brutally powerful dictatorship which holds effective control over the civilized world.]]

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The motivations behind every faction and race can be read in many different ways:
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Depending on your point of view (or ([[DependingOnTheWriter or that of the writer) writer]]) TheEmpire is either [[HighFantasy an enlightened, civilized, and honorable nation,]] [[CrapsackWorld a corrupt wreck that's about to fall apart at any moment,]] [[DarkFantasy or a brutally powerful dictatorship which holds effective control over the civilized world.]]



** In essence, the motivations behind every faction and race can be read in many different ways.
22nd Mar '16 1:04:47 PM quirkygenius
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** [[GeniusBruiser Gorthor the Beastlord]], the most infamous of all Beastman warlords, amassed a reputation that was dark even by the standards of his depraved, [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Chaos-tainted race]]. Murdering and [[FlayingAlive skinning]] the Bray-Shamans of every tribe that opposed him--an act [[EvenEvilHasStandards even other Beastmen would consider taboo]]--[[MagicKnight Gorthor]] [[GenuineHumanHide made their hides into a hypnotic cloak]] that enabled him to unite all the Beastmen of the Middle Mountains under his banner. Pouring into the Empire, Gorthor's horde [[RapePillageAndBurn devastated]] Ostland and Hochland, leaving millions dead and depopulating both provinces for decades to come. Finally halted at Hochland's capital, Gorthor razed most of the city, intent on [[LeaveNoSurvivors leaving no one alive]]. Having vowed to [[FinalSolution exterminate humanity]], Gorthor died in combat with the Count of Hochland, leaving behind a name that still [[TheDreaded evokes fear]] in man and Beastman alike.

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** [[GeniusBruiser Gorthor the Beastlord]], the most infamous of all Beastman warlords, amassed a reputation that was dark even by the standards of his depraved, [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Chaos-tainted race]]. Murdering and [[FlayingAlive skinning]] the Bray-Shamans of every tribe that opposed him--an act [[EvenEvilHasStandards even other Beastmen would consider taboo]]--[[MagicKnight Gorthor]] [[GenuineHumanHide made their hides into a hypnotic cloak]] that enabled him to unite all the Beastmen of the Middle Mountains under his banner. Pouring into the Empire, Gorthor's horde [[RapePillageAndBurn devastated]] Ostland and Hochland, leaving millions dead and depopulating both provinces for decades to come. Finally halted at Hochland's capital, Gorthor razed most of the city, intent on [[LeaveNoSurvivors leaving no one alive]]. Having vowed to [[FinalSolution exterminate humanity]], Gorthor died in combat with the Count of Hochland, leaving behind [[MutualKill though the count died as well]] and even then he only killed Gorthor with a lucky dying blow. Even a thousand years after his death Gorthor is a name that still [[TheDreaded evokes fear]] in man and Beastman alike.
21st Mar '16 4:26:34 AM MinisterOfSinister
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* VillainSue: Some of the villains in the setting turn into this. The biggest individual case is Grimgor Ironhide, who marches right into the heart of the dwarf territory, and they can't push him out. He marches right up to the door step of one of the four major Skaven clans, and they can force him away. Both cases he leaves just because he got BORED. The only time he lost was against the army of Chaos Warriors gathered by Vardek Crom, and by the end of Storm of Chaos, it's him, not the characters from the forces allied against Chaos, that defeats Archaon, and due to CanonDiscontinuity of Storm of Chaos and Nemesis Crown, it means the only times he loses never happened.
** Archaon himself has been criticized as this because how the Storm of Chaos campaign completely ignored the results of the game campaign, but that can charted as more the creators fault for their lack of foresight on how the campaign would turn out since if it hadn't then the Forces of Chaos would been outright [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]] and pretty well killed the build up for the campaign.

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* VillainSue: Some of the villains in the setting turn into this.
**
The biggest individual case is Grimgor Ironhide, who marches right into the heart of the dwarf territory, and they can't push him out. He marches right up to the door step of one of the four major Skaven clans, and they can force him away. Both cases he leaves just because he got BORED. The only time he lost was against the army of Chaos Warriors gathered by Vardek Crom, and by the end of Storm of Chaos, it's him, not the characters from the forces allied against Chaos, that defeats Archaon, and due to CanonDiscontinuity of Storm of Chaos and Nemesis Crown, it means the only times he loses never happened.
** Archaon himself has been criticized as this because how the Storm of Chaos campaign completely ignored the results of the game campaign, but that can charted as more the creators fault for their lack of foresight on how the campaign would turn out since if it hadn't then -- the Forces of ''lore'' said that each army was defeated by Chaos would been outright or at best delayed the inevitable, but in the ''tabletop battles'' Chaos [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]] and pretty well killed was stomped into the build up for mud]] [[HumiliationConga by virtually every other faction]] -- to allow him to almost destroy the campaign.world before Grimgor stomped him good.
28th Feb '16 7:38:45 AM ACW
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** The most infamous of all Beastman warlords, [[GeniusBruiser Gorthor the Beastlord]] amassed a reputation that was dark even by the standards of his depraved, [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Chaos-tainted race]]. Murdering and [[FlayingAlive skinning]] the Bray-Shamans of every tribe that opposed him--an act [[EvenEvilHasStandards even other Beastmen would consider taboo]]--[[MagicKnight Gorthor]] [[GenuineHumanHide made their hides into a hypnotic cloak]] that enabled him to unite all the Beastmen of the Middle Mountains under his banner. Pouring into the Empire, Gorthor's horde [[RapePillageAndBurn devastated]] Ostland and Hochland, leaving millions dead and depopulating both provinces for decades to come. Finally halted at Hochland's capital, Gorthor razed most of the city, intent on [[LeaveNoSurvivors leaving no one alive]]. Having vowed to [[FinalSolution exterminate humanity]], Gorthor died in combat with the Count of Hochland, leaving behind a name that still [[TheDreaded evokes fear]] in man and Beastman alike.

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** The ** [[GeniusBruiser Gorthor the Beastlord]], the most infamous of all Beastman warlords, [[GeniusBruiser Gorthor the Beastlord]] amassed a reputation that was dark even by the standards of his depraved, [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Chaos-tainted race]]. Murdering and [[FlayingAlive skinning]] the Bray-Shamans of every tribe that opposed him--an act [[EvenEvilHasStandards even other Beastmen would consider taboo]]--[[MagicKnight Gorthor]] [[GenuineHumanHide made their hides into a hypnotic cloak]] that enabled him to unite all the Beastmen of the Middle Mountains under his banner. Pouring into the Empire, Gorthor's horde [[RapePillageAndBurn devastated]] Ostland and Hochland, leaving millions dead and depopulating both provinces for decades to come. Finally halted at Hochland's capital, Gorthor razed most of the city, intent on [[LeaveNoSurvivors leaving no one alive]]. Having vowed to [[FinalSolution exterminate humanity]], Gorthor died in combat with the Count of Hochland, leaving behind a name that still [[TheDreaded evokes fear]] in man and Beastman alike.
28th Feb '16 6:35:47 AM ACW
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** The most infamous of all Beastman warlords, [[GeniusBruiser Gorthor the Beastlord]] amassed a reputation that was dark even by the standards of his depraved, [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Chaos-tainted race]]. Murdering and [[FlayingAlive skinning]] the Bray-Shamans of every tribe that opposed him—an act [[even other Beastmen would EvenEvilHasStandards consider taboo]]—[[MagicKnight Gorthor]] [[GenuineHumanHide made their hides into a hypnotic cloak]] that enabled him to unite all the Beastmen of the Middle Mountains under his banner. Pouring into the Empire, Gorthor's horde [[RapePillageAndBurn devastated]] Ostland and Hochland, leaving millions dead and depopulating both provinces for decades to come. Finally halted at Hochland's capital, Gorthor razed most of the city, intent on [[LeaveNoSurvivors leaving no one alive]]. Having vowed to [[FinalSolution exterminate humanity]], Gorthor died in combat with the Count of Hochland, leaving behind a name that still [[TheDreaded evokes fear]] in man and Beastman alike.

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** The most infamous of all Beastman warlords, [[GeniusBruiser Gorthor the Beastlord]] amassed a reputation that was dark even by the standards of his depraved, [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Chaos-tainted race]]. Murdering and [[FlayingAlive skinning]] the Bray-Shamans of every tribe that opposed him—an him--an act [[even [[EvenEvilHasStandards even other Beastmen would EvenEvilHasStandards consider taboo]]—[[MagicKnight taboo]]--[[MagicKnight Gorthor]] [[GenuineHumanHide made their hides into a hypnotic cloak]] that enabled him to unite all the Beastmen of the Middle Mountains under his banner. Pouring into the Empire, Gorthor's horde [[RapePillageAndBurn devastated]] Ostland and Hochland, leaving millions dead and depopulating both provinces for decades to come. Finally halted at Hochland's capital, Gorthor razed most of the city, intent on [[LeaveNoSurvivors leaving no one alive]]. Having vowed to [[FinalSolution exterminate humanity]], Gorthor died in combat with the Count of Hochland, leaving behind a name that still [[TheDreaded evokes fear]] in man and Beastman alike.
28th Feb '16 6:34:42 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[EvilSorcerer Nagash the Undying]] is an immensely powerful {{necromancer}} whose end goal is to [[OmnicidalManiac kill every living thing in the world]] and [[TheNecrocracy resurrect them all as his undead slaves]]. The firstborn son of King Khetep of Khemri, Nagash coveted power and immortality right from the beginning. He first learned dark magic from a group of Dark Elf captives he was interrogating. As [[UngratefulBastard a reward for this knowledge]], he had [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness their leader blinded and her tongue and hands cut off, then buried alive, and the rest executed]]. When his brother was crowned King after his father’s death instead of him, he took power by [[CainAndAbel entombing him alive]]. He ruled Khemri through fear and brutality, building a massive pyramid from slave labor. It took an alliance of Kings from other parts of Nehekhara to finally end his reign of terror. Later, he regained his power, and after failing to conquer all of Nehekhara, he decided that if he couldn’t rule it, no one could. He proceeded to wipe out the population by getting the Skaven to pollute its main water source and using his dark magic to cause death and decay across the land. If this wasn’t enough, he planned to resurrect the dead as his slaves, but his plans were thwarted when the Skaven, who feared his power, helped Alcadizaar slay him. Despite his apparent death, Nagash still lives due to his dark magic, and, [[TheDreaded feared by all who know of him]], is arguably the greatest threat to the Old World in existence.

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* CompleteMonster: [[EvilSorcerer Before [[TabletopGame/WarhammerTheEndTimes Archaon]] [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt destroyed everything]] and the ContinuityReboot of ''TabletopGame/WarhammerAgeOfSigmar'', this duo wreaked havoc:
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Nagash the Undying]] is an immensely powerful {{necromancer}} whose end goal is to [[OmnicidalManiac kill every living thing in the world]] and [[TheNecrocracy resurrect them all as his undead slaves]]. The firstborn son of King Khetep of Khemri, Nagash coveted power and immortality right from the beginning. He first learned dark magic from a group of Dark Elf captives he was interrogating. As [[UngratefulBastard a reward for this knowledge]], he had [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness their leader blinded and her tongue and hands cut off, then buried alive, and the rest executed]]. When his brother was crowned King after his father’s death instead of him, he took power by [[CainAndAbel entombing him alive]]. He ruled Khemri through fear and brutality, building a massive pyramid from slave labor. It took an alliance of Kings from other parts of Nehekhara to finally end his reign of terror. Later, he regained his power, and after failing to conquer all of Nehekhara, he decided that if he couldn’t rule it, no one could. He proceeded to wipe out the population by getting the Skaven to pollute its main water source and using his dark magic to cause death and decay across the land. If this wasn’t enough, he planned to resurrect the dead as his slaves, but his plans were thwarted when the Skaven, who feared his power, helped Alcadizaar slay him. Despite his apparent death, Nagash still lives due to his dark magic, and, [[TheDreaded feared by all who know of him]], is arguably the greatest threat to the Old World in existence. existence.
**The most infamous of all Beastman warlords, [[GeniusBruiser Gorthor the Beastlord]] amassed a reputation that was dark even by the standards of his depraved, [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Chaos-tainted race]]. Murdering and [[FlayingAlive skinning]] the Bray-Shamans of every tribe that opposed him—an act [[even other Beastmen would EvenEvilHasStandards consider taboo]]—[[MagicKnight Gorthor]] [[GenuineHumanHide made their hides into a hypnotic cloak]] that enabled him to unite all the Beastmen of the Middle Mountains under his banner. Pouring into the Empire, Gorthor's horde [[RapePillageAndBurn devastated]] Ostland and Hochland, leaving millions dead and depopulating both provinces for decades to come. Finally halted at Hochland's capital, Gorthor razed most of the city, intent on [[LeaveNoSurvivors leaving no one alive]]. Having vowed to [[FinalSolution exterminate humanity]], Gorthor died in combat with the Count of Hochland, leaving behind a name that still [[TheDreaded evokes fear]] in man and Beastman alike.
11th Jan '16 3:03:23 PM littlebeeper
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* EvilIsSexy: The dark elves, witch elves in particular. And all Slaanesh worshippers/daemons, it's a pleasure god, what do you expect. Although Slaanesh goes quickly from "sexy" to "the Caligula-movie level disturbing" to just plain horrifying.

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* EvilIsSexy: The dark elves, witch elves in particular. And all Slaanesh worshippers/daemons, it's a pleasure god, what do you expect. expect? Although Slaanesh goes quickly from "sexy" to "the Caligula-movie level disturbing" to just plain horrifying.
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