Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / Vicious

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Values Dissonance has a 20-year waiting period.


* ValuesDissonance: Both the distasteful rape jokes towards Violet, and the fact that Violet continuously harasses Ash in a sexual manner (both verbally and physically), to the point of [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale drugging and seducing him in bed- even gaslighting him about it and taking pleasure out of it]] is something that is really painful to watch, especially since the #[=MeToo=] movement has become a lot more mainstream since the show ended.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Not YMMV, and as such it doesn't belong here.


* DontExplainTheJoke: In one episode, Freddie is despondent because he hasn't heard from his agent lately, and doesn't understand it because "four older actors died last month; the phone should be ringing off the hook!" Stuart tries to comfort him, but this offends Freddie who tells Stuart brusquely not to mention it to the others with his "bizarrely tiny mouth." Stuart, now offended as well, tells him pointedly "I'm sure things will pick up. Perhaps [[ImpliedDeathThreat more actors will die soon]]." He doesn't need to, but follows it up with "Such as yourself!"
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
This is a series trope, belongs in the main series work trope page


* WhamLine: While playing Truth or Dare, Violet asks Stuart if he's ever slept with a woman. Freddie reacts with great hilarity, figuring the swishy Stuart would never had tried such a thing. Turns out Stuart has, and then:
-->'''Freddie:''' I don't believe you!\\
'''Stuart:''' It's true.\\
'''Freddie:''' You're lying!\\
[[spoiler:'''Penelope:''' No, he isn't. ''(cue jaws dropping around the room, and a truly titanic audience reaction)'']]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* MomentOfAwesome:
** Stuart gets one when Ash's girlfriend calls:

to:

* MomentOfAwesome:
SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome:
** Stuart gets one when Ash's girlfriend calls:insults them:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AwesomeMoments:

to:

* AwesomeMoments:MomentOfAwesome:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* MomentOfAwesome:

to:

* MomentOfAwesome:AwesomeMoments:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* MomentOfAwesome:
** Stuart gets one when Ash's girlfriend calls:
--> I'll have you know that Freddie Thornhill has worked on the stage, screen and television for over 50 years. He has had an extraordinary career. So what if he has hit a bit of a dry spell? He is by no means washed up and never will be. So do not presume to tell us anything about our lives, young lady. We will not be talked down to in our own home. We are accomplished men. Quite capable of anything.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HilariousInHindsight: [=McKellen=] and Jacobi each had a crush on the other while they were classmates at Cambridge, though [[TwiceShy neither of them admitted it at the time]]. Now they're playing a married couple.

to:

* HilariousInHindsight: [=McKellen=] and Jacobi each had a crush on the other while they were classmates at Cambridge, though [[TwiceShy neither of them admitted it at the time]]. Now they're The series has them playing a married couple.



-->'''Freddie:''' I don't believe you!
-->'''Stuart:''' It's true.
-->'''Freddie:''' You're lying!
-->[[spoiler:'''Penelope:''' No, he isn't. (cue jaws dropping around the room, and a truly titanic audience reaction)]]

to:

-->'''Freddie:''' I don't believe you!
-->'''Stuart:'''
you!\\
'''Stuart:'''
It's true.
-->'''Freddie:'''
true.\\
'''Freddie:'''
You're lying!
-->[[spoiler:'''Penelope:'''
lying!\\
[[spoiler:'''Penelope:'''
No, he isn't. (cue ''(cue jaws dropping around the room, and a truly titanic audience reaction)]]reaction)'']]
----
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ValuesDissonance: Both the distasteful rape jokes towards Violet, and the fact that Violet continuously harasses Ash in a sexual manner (both verbally and physically), to the point of [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale drugging and seducing him in bed- even gaslighting him about it and taking pleasure out of it]] is something that is really painful to watch, especially since the #MeToo movement has become a lot more mainstream since the show ended.

to:

* ValuesDissonance: Both the distasteful rape jokes towards Violet, and the fact that Violet continuously harasses Ash in a sexual manner (both verbally and physically), to the point of [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale drugging and seducing him in bed- even gaslighting him about it and taking pleasure out of it]] is something that is really painful to watch, especially since the #MeToo #[=MeToo=] movement has become a lot more mainstream since the show ended.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* ValuesDissonance: Both the distasteful rape jokes towards Violet, and the fact that Violet continuously harasses Ash in a sexual manner (both verbally and physically), to the point of [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale drugging and seducing him in bed- even gaslighting him about it and taking pleasure out of it]] is something that is really painful to watch, especially since the #MeToo movement has become a lot more mainstream since the show ended.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Stuart and Freddie arguing about the latter's bit-part in ''Doctor Who'' is ironic considering Derek Jacobi's cameo in ''Utopia'' would evolve into [[AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho Big Finish's War Master]].

to:

** Stuart and Freddie arguing about the latter's bit-part in ''Doctor Who'' is ironic considering Derek Jacobi's cameo in ''Utopia'' would later evolve into [[AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho Big Finish's War Master]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Stuart and Freddie arguing about the latter's bit-part in ''Doctor Who'' is ironic considering Derek Jacobi's cameo in ''Utopia'' would evolve into [[AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho Big Finish's War Master]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[[folder:The Series]]



-->[[spoiler:'''Penelope:''' No, he isn't. (cue jaws dropping around the room, and a truly titanic audience reaction)]]
[[/folder]]

to:

-->[[spoiler:'''Penelope:''' No, he isn't. (cue jaws dropping around the room, and a truly titanic audience reaction)]]
[[/folder]]
reaction)]]

Removed: 996

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[[/folder]]

[[folder:The Book]]
* HoYay:
** In their college days, Victor and Eli's friendship comes off as quite intimate, and Victor's jealousy over Angie is far more directed towards the loss of some of ''Eli's'' attention than it is to hers. After they become mortal enemies, this doesn't lessen the subtext one whit.
** Victor and his new partner, Mitch, sometimes come off like partners in the ''other'' sense of the word. There are many, many jokes about Sydney [[HasTwoMommies having two daddies]] in the fandom.
* FoeYay: Victor and Eli are... fixated on each other, to say the least. Their mutual hatred comes off more as an obsessive, destructive attraction at times.
* TheWoobie:
** Poor, poor Sydney. Her life went straight to hell the moment she acquired her powers. Meeting Victor makes things better in some ways, but a ''lot'' worse in others.
** Mitch's entire life has sucked, to put it mildly, and now he's caught in the crossfire of a feud between two ''extremely'' powerful people.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** In their college days, Victor and Eli's friendship comes off as quite intimate. After they become mortal enemies, this doesn't lessen the subtext one whit.

to:

** In their college days, Victor and Eli's friendship comes off as quite intimate.intimate, and Victor's jealousy over Angie is far more directed towards the loss of some of ''Eli's'' attention than it is to hers. After they become mortal enemies, this doesn't lessen the subtext one whit.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* TheWoobie:
** Poor, poor Sydney. Her life went straight to hell the moment she acquired her powers. Meeting Victor makes things better in some ways, but a ''lot'' worse in others.
** Mitch's entire life has sucked, to put it mildly, and now he's caught in the crossfire of a feud between two ''extremely'' powerful people.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[[folder:The Series]]



-->[[spoiler:'''Penelope:''' No, he isn't. (cue jaws dropping around the room, and a truly titanic audience reaction)]]

to:

-->[[spoiler:'''Penelope:''' No, he isn't. (cue jaws dropping around the room, and a truly titanic audience reaction)]]reaction)]]
[[/folder]]

[[folder:The Book]]
* HoYay:
** In their college days, Victor and Eli's friendship comes off as quite intimate. After they become mortal enemies, this doesn't lessen the subtext one whit.
** Victor and his new partner, Mitch, sometimes come off like partners in the ''other'' sense of the word. There are many, many jokes about Sydney [[HasTwoMommies having two daddies]] in the fandom.
* FoeYay: Victor and Eli are... fixated on each other, to say the least. Their mutual hatred comes off more as an obsessive, destructive attraction at times.
[[/folder]]

Added: 217

Removed: 217

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HilariousInHindsight: [=McKellen=] and Jacobi each had a crush on the other while they were classmates at Cambridge, though [[TwiceShy neither of them admitted it at the time]]. Now they're playing a married couple.


Added DiffLines:

* HilariousInHindsight: [=McKellen=] and Jacobi each had a crush on the other while they were classmates at Cambridge, though [[TwiceShy neither of them admitted it at the time]]. Now they're playing a married couple.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


-->[[spoiler:'''Penelope:''' No, he isn't. (cue jaws dropping around the room)]]

to:

-->[[spoiler:'''Penelope:''' No, he isn't. (cue jaws dropping around the room)]]room, and a truly titanic audience reaction)]]

Added: 138

Changed: 120

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* WhamLine: While playing Truth or Dare, Violet asks Stuart if he's ever slept with a woman. Freddie reacts with great hilarity, figuring the swishy Stuart would never had tried such a thing. Turns out Stuart has, but Freddie immediately assures everyone that he's lying. And then:
-->'''Penelope:''' No, he isn't. (cue jaws dropping around the room)

to:

* WhamLine: While playing Truth or Dare, Violet asks Stuart if he's ever slept with a woman. Freddie reacts with great hilarity, figuring the swishy Stuart would never had tried such a thing. Turns out Stuart has, but Freddie immediately assures everyone that he's lying. And and then:
-->'''Penelope:''' -->'''Freddie:''' I don't believe you!
-->'''Stuart:''' It's true.
-->'''Freddie:''' You're lying!
-->[[spoiler:'''Penelope:'''
No, he isn't. (cue jaws dropping around the room)room)]]

Added: 349

Changed: 7

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* DontExplainTheJoke: In one episode, Freddie is despondent because he hasn't heard from his agent lately, and doesn't understand it because "four older actors died last month; the phone should be ringing off the hook!" Stuart tries to comfort him, but this offends Freddie who tells brusquely not to mention it to the others with his "bizarrely tiny mouth." Stuart, now offended as well, tells him pointedly "I'm sure things will pick up. Perhaps [[ImpliedDeathThreat more actors will die soon]]." He doesn't need to, but follows it up with "Such as yourself!"

to:

* DontExplainTheJoke: In one episode, Freddie is despondent because he hasn't heard from his agent lately, and doesn't understand it because "four older actors died last month; the phone should be ringing off the hook!" Stuart tries to comfort him, but this offends Freddie who tells Stuart brusquely not to mention it to the others with his "bizarrely tiny mouth." Stuart, now offended as well, tells him pointedly "I'm sure things will pick up. Perhaps [[ImpliedDeathThreat more actors will die soon]]." He doesn't need to, but follows it up with "Such as yourself!"yourself!"
* WhamLine: While playing Truth or Dare, Violet asks Stuart if he's ever slept with a woman. Freddie reacts with great hilarity, figuring the swishy Stuart would never had tried such a thing. Turns out Stuart has, but Freddie immediately assures everyone that he's lying. And then:
-->'''Penelope:''' No, he isn't. (cue jaws dropping around the room)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* CriticalDissonance: Critics had a mixed to negative reaction to the pilot and the BlackComedyRape jokes directed at Violet did not go over well with anyone, but following episodes have been received better and most of the viewers enjoyed the show.

to:

* CriticalDissonance: Critics had a mixed to negative reaction to the pilot and the BlackComedyRape jokes directed at Violet did not go over well with anyone, but following episodes have been received better and most of the viewers enjoyed the show.show.
* DontExplainTheJoke: In one episode, Freddie is despondent because he hasn't heard from his agent lately, and doesn't understand it because "four older actors died last month; the phone should be ringing off the hook!" Stuart tries to comfort him, but this offends Freddie who tells brusquely not to mention it to the others with his "bizarrely tiny mouth." Stuart, now offended as well, tells him pointedly "I'm sure things will pick up. Perhaps [[ImpliedDeathThreat more actors will die soon]]." He doesn't need to, but follows it up with "Such as yourself!"
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HilariousInHindsight: [=McKellen=] and Jacobi each had a crush on the other while they were classmates at Cambridge, though [[TwiceShy neither of them admitted it at the time]]. Now they're playing a married couple.

to:

* HilariousInHindsight: [=McKellen=] and Jacobi each had a crush on the other while they were classmates at Cambridge, though [[TwiceShy neither of them admitted it at the time]]. Now they're playing a married couple.couple.
* CriticalDissonance: Critics had a mixed to negative reaction to the pilot and the BlackComedyRape jokes directed at Violet did not go over well with anyone, but following episodes have been received better and most of the viewers enjoyed the show.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HilariousInHindsight: McKellen and Jacobi each had a crush on the other while they were classmates at Cambridge, though [[TwiceShy neither of them admitted it at the time]]. Now they're playing a married couple.

to:

* HilariousInHindsight: McKellen [=McKellen=] and Jacobi each had a crush on the other while they were classmates at Cambridge, though [[TwiceShy neither of them admitted it at the time]]. Now they're playing a married couple.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* HilariousInHindsight: McKellen and Jacobi each had a crush on the other while they were classmates at Cambridge, though [[TwiceShy neither of them admitted it at the time]]. Now they're playing a married couple.

Top