History YMMV / Venom

2nd Feb '17 11:36:46 AM Arawn999
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** Toxin, being a heroic symbiote, had a surge of popularity following his introduction in the mid-2000's. Sadly, Patrick, the original Toxin, was killed offscreen by Blackheart and the symbiote was subsequently bonded to Eddie Brock. [[spoiler:That it seemingly [[DroppedABridgeOnHim had a bridge dropped on it]] at the end of ''Carnage'' Vol. 2 surprised and outraged a lot of fans.]]
** Though Cullen Bunn's run wasn't overly well-received, Andrea Benton aka Mania - Agent Venom's pupil/sidekick - has become immensely popular with fans. Even more impressive in that she's yet to make an appearance outside of Venom's own books.

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** Toxin, being a heroic symbiote, had a surge of popularity following his introduction in the mid-2000's. Sadly, Patrick, the original Toxin, was killed offscreen by Blackheart and the symbiote was subsequently bonded to Eddie Brock. [[spoiler:That it the Toxin symbiote seemingly [[DroppedABridgeOnHim had a bridge dropped on it]] at the end of ''Carnage'' Vol. 2 surprised and outraged a lot of fans.]]
** Though Cullen Bunn's run wasn't overly well-received, Andrea Benton aka Mania - Agent Venom's pupil/sidekick - has become immensely popular with fans. Even more impressive in that she's yet to make an appearance outside of Venom's own books.books, although Cullen Bunn is determined to ensure she's not forgotten and name-drops her in ''Monsters Unleashed'' #2.
31st Jan '17 11:36:34 PM Arawn999
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The [[EldritchLocation Realm of Insanity]] sequence from ''The Madness''.

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The [[EldritchLocation Realm of Insanity]] sequence from ''The Madness''.Madness''.
** A lot of fans are confused at best over the Venom symbiote being depicted with spider emblems in flashbacks to before it bonded to Peter Parker, or symbiotes in general being shown with white spider emblems, in ''Venom: Space Knight'' and ''Venom'' Vol. 3, saying that it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.



** Likewise there's some dispute on Brock's role. As some are divided if long term Anti-Venom would have been better than Brock Toxin.

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** Likewise there's some dispute on Brock's role. As some Some fans are divided if over whether long term Anti-Venom would have been better than Brock Toxin.Eddie as Toxin, or whether Eddie becoming Toxin was a step backwards from his character development as Anti-Venom.



** The canonicitiy of ''Deadpool's Secret Secret Wars'' and ''Deadpool: Back in Black'' is contested among fans of Venom, with some accepting it as canon, and others either insisting it's a non-canon ''What If''-type scenario or that it ''should'' be.



** Jack O' Lantern.

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** Jack O' Lantern.Lantern, who was more or less Agent Venom's answer to the Green Goblin.



** The first 1/3 of Daniel Way's ''Venom'' Vol. 1 ripped-off ''Film/{{The Thing|1982}}'', while the rest of was a convoluted mess involving an ancient alien who has ties to Noah's Arc, and is more or less secretly running the world. Despite all of his resources and even though he's been on Earth for millions of years, he decides the best way to KillAllHumans is to grow a 100% evil clone of the Venom symbiote, in the hope that the original (who only appears halfway through the series) would absorb it, and its genocidal intentions. The run had no conclusion, was gratuitously mean-spirited, and was full of creepy sexual imagery, and good guys who act like stubborn {{Jerkass}}es when they weren't being [[WhatAnIdiot annoyingly]] {{i|diotBall}}ncompetent. Oh, and Canada was nuked.
** Brian Michael Bendis' ''Guardians of the Galaxy'' "Planet of the Symbiotes" three-parter has two issues of the Venom symbiote rampaging and jumping from Guardian to Guardian... [[spoiler:and the final issue it's purged of its hatred and bloodlust, at least for the time being. Furthermore, the final issue retcons just about ''everything'' about the symbiotes' backstory and nature in three pages' worth of exposition that is casually accepted by the Guardians.]]

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** The first 1/3 of Daniel Way's ''Venom'' Vol. 1 ripped-off ''Film/{{The Thing|1982}}'', while the rest of was a convoluted mess involving an ancient alien who has ties to Noah's Arc, and is more or less secretly running the world. Despite all of his resources and even though he's been on Earth for millions of years, he decides the best way to KillAllHumans is to grow a 100% evil clone of the Venom symbiote, in the hope that the original (who only appears halfway through the series) would absorb it, it and its genocidal intentions. The run had no conclusion, was gratuitously mean-spirited, and was full of creepy sexual imagery, imagery and good guys who act like stubborn {{Jerkass}}es when they weren't being [[WhatAnIdiot annoyingly]] {{i|diotBall}}ncompetent. Oh, and Canada was nuked.
** Brian Michael Bendis' ''Guardians of the Galaxy'' "Planet of the Symbiotes" three-parter has two issues of the Venom symbiote rampaging and jumping from Guardian to Guardian... [[spoiler:and and the final issue it's purged of its hatred and bloodlust, at least for the time being. Furthermore, the final issue contains an info-dump that retcons just about ''everything'' about the symbiotes' backstory and nature symbiotes into being a naturally peaceful species that seek out worthy hosts to make Agents of the Cosmos, while the evil symbiote empire seen previously is explained as being the result of symbiotes being corrupted by evil hosts. All this is revealed in three pages' worth of exposition that is casually accepted by the Guardians.]]



** David Michelinie had initially planned to kill Eddie Brock off in ''Amazing Spider-Man'' #400 and have the symbiote jump from host to host, specifically mentioning ComicBook/DoctorOctopus, the Lizard, and J. Jonah Jameson. However, Eddie's [[BreakoutCharacter surprise runaway popularity with fans]] kiboshed that, much to Michelinie's dismay since he felt that Venom becoming an antihero detracted from the character. This led to him [[ComicBook/{{Carnage}} creating an even more monstrous symbiote-enhanced villain]] to take Venom's place. Long after he and the symbiote went their separate ways, Eddie's still considered the most popular and "true" incarnation of Venom by most fans.

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** David Michelinie had initially planned to kill Eddie Brock off in ''Amazing Spider-Man'' #400 and have the symbiote jump from host to host, specifically mentioning ComicBook/DoctorOctopus, the Lizard, and J. Jonah Jameson. However, Eddie's [[BreakoutCharacter surprise runaway popularity with fans]] kiboshed that, much to Michelinie's dismay since he felt that Venom becoming an antihero detracted from the character. This led to him [[ComicBook/{{Carnage}} creating an even more monstrous symbiote-enhanced villain]] to take Venom's place. Long after he and the symbiote went their separate ways, Eddie's still considered the most popular and "true" incarnation of Venom by most fans.fans, to the point where Marvel had the two of them reunite in April 2017.



** Toxin, being a heroic symbiote, had a surge of popularity following his introduction in the mid-2000's. Sadly, Patrick, the original Toxin, was killed offscreen and the symbiote is now bonded to Eddie Brock.
** Though Cullen Bunn's run wasn't overly well-received, Andrea Benton aka Mania - Agent Venom's pupil/sidekick - has become immensely popular with fans. Even more impressive in that she's yet to make an appearance outside of Venom's own book.

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** Toxin, being a heroic symbiote, had a surge of popularity following his introduction in the mid-2000's. Sadly, Patrick, the original Toxin, was killed offscreen by Blackheart and the symbiote is now was subsequently bonded to Eddie Brock.
Brock. [[spoiler:That it seemingly [[DroppedABridgeOnHim had a bridge dropped on it]] at the end of ''Carnage'' Vol. 2 surprised and outraged a lot of fans.]]
** Though Cullen Bunn's run wasn't overly well-received, Andrea Benton aka Mania - Agent Venom's pupil/sidekick - has become immensely popular with fans. Even more impressive in that she's yet to make an appearance outside of Venom's own book.books.



** On at least one occasion, attempted to explain the origin of their species. Since the ''Planet of the Symbiotes'' storyarc happened during ComicBook/TheCloneSaga, it quickly fell into FanonDiscontinuity.

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** On at least one occasion, writers have attempted to explain the nature and origin of their the symbiote species. Since the ''Planet of the Symbiotes'' storyarc story arc happened during ComicBook/TheCloneSaga, ComicBook/TheCloneSaga it quickly fell into FanonDiscontinuity.FanonDiscontinuity, although it was later referenced during the 2015 ''Guardians of the Galaxy'' "Planet Venom" arc.



** A lot of fans still cannot accept the fact Eddie Brock is no longer Venom and keep asking that he and the symbiote get back together. This was teased during Spider-Verse when the symbiote abandoned Flash to take over Eddie, but ultimately didn't occur and, now that Eddie is Toxin and Flash is in space, is highly improbable. [[SubvertedTrope However]], it's confirmed that Eddie will return as Venom on April 2017.
** Brian Michael Bendis purifying the Venom symbiote of its hatred, rage, and bloodlust in ''Guardians of the Galaxy'' was met with disdain by a lot of fans, especially since the reason he gave for doing so was to appeal to a new generation of fans who had no idea Venom was a vicious monster and simply saw him as a hero with a cool shapeshifting suit.

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** A lot of fans still cannot accept the fact Eddie Brock is no longer Venom and keep asking that he and the symbiote get back together. This was teased during Spider-Verse when the symbiote abandoned Flash to take over Eddie, but ultimately didn't occur and, now that since Eddie is was Toxin and Flash is was in space, is this was seen as being highly improbable. [[SubvertedTrope However]], it's confirmed that Eddie will return as Venom on April 2017.
** Brian Michael Bendis purifying the Venom symbiote of its hatred, rage, and bloodlust in ''Guardians of the Galaxy'' was met with disdain by a lot of fans, especially since the reason he gave for doing so was to appeal to a new generation of fans who had no idea Venom was a vicious monster and simply saw him as a hero with a cool shapeshifting suit. ''Venom'' Vol. 3 has even disregarded the revelation that the symbiote's memories were erased.
31st Jan '17 9:09:47 PM ImSpidey2
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** A lot of fans still cannot accept the fact Eddie Brock is no longer Venom and keep asking that he and the symbiote get back together. This was teased during Spider-Verse when the symbiote abandoned Flash to take over Eddie, but ultimately didn't occur and, now that Eddie is Toxin and Flash is in space, is highly improbable. However, it's confirmed that Eddie will return as Venom on April 2017.

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** A lot of fans still cannot accept the fact Eddie Brock is no longer Venom and keep asking that he and the symbiote get back together. This was teased during Spider-Verse when the symbiote abandoned Flash to take over Eddie, but ultimately didn't occur and, now that Eddie is Toxin and Flash is in space, is highly improbable. However, [[SubvertedTrope However]], it's confirmed that Eddie will return as Venom on April 2017.
31st Jan '17 9:09:18 PM ImSpidey2
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** A lot of fans still cannot accept the fact Eddie Brock is no longer Venom and keep asking that he and the symbiote get back together. This was teased during Spider-Verse when the symbiote abandoned Flash to take over Eddie, but ultimately didn't occur and, now that Eddie is Toxin and Flash is in space, is highly improbable.

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** A lot of fans still cannot accept the fact Eddie Brock is no longer Venom and keep asking that he and the symbiote get back together. This was teased during Spider-Verse when the symbiote abandoned Flash to take over Eddie, but ultimately didn't occur and, now that Eddie is Toxin and Flash is in space, is highly improbable. However, it's confirmed that Eddie will return as Venom on April 2017.
23rd Jan '17 4:25:40 PM HeroSeeker
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* HesBack: According to Costa and others at Marvel Eddie Brock is once again going to be Venom in April.
19th Jan '17 2:09:23 AM Arawn999
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** Reaction to Lee Price has been overwhelmingly negative, largely due to fans finding him to be an unlikeable character -- especially in regard to his casual abuse of the symbiote.
12th Dec '16 7:57:07 AM Silverblade2
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** The newest Venom host, Lee Price, was a soldier like Flash Thompson, but unlike Flash Thompson he's an amoral sociopath who only seeks the quickest way out of whatever situation he's in at the time. Upon gaining the Venom symbiote, Lee kills everyone at a weapons deal gone wrong, including a man who was his friend since, as Lee puts it, grade school and a homeless man who nobody would've bothered, just because he didn't want his secret getting out. He also is the first host to actually be shown to have a very abusive nature towards Venom as he silences it with his memories of his rough childhood. Stone-cold and bloodthirsty Lee Price is what every host of Venom dreaded becoming, and he revels in that fact.
30th Nov '16 8:46:20 PM HeroSeeker
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** Lee Price crosses it in his first outing as Venom when he not only kills his best friend but also a homeless person. Both of whom had zero reason to expose his secret.
29th Nov '16 4:13:18 PM Arawn999
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** The newest Venom host, Lee Price, was a former Army Ranger but unlike Flash Thompson he's a amoral sociopath. Only seeking the quickest way out of whatever situation he's in at the time. Upon gaining the Venom symbiote Lee kills almost everyone at a weapons deal gone wrong, the only survivor is Mac Gargen, which includes a man that's been his friend since, as Lee puts it, Grade School and a homeless man who nobody would've bothered just because he didn't want his secret getting out. He also is the first host to actually be shown to have a very abusive nature towards Venom as he silences it with his memories of his rough childhood. Stone cold and blood thirsty Lee Price is what every host of Venom dreaded becoming and he revels in that fact.

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** The newest Venom host, Lee Price, was a former Army Ranger soldier like Flash Thompson, but unlike Flash Thompson he's a an amoral sociopath. Only seeking sociopath who only seeks the quickest way out of whatever situation he's in at the time. Upon gaining the Venom symbiote symbiote, Lee kills almost everyone at a weapons deal gone wrong, the only survivor is Mac Gargen, which includes including a man that's been who was his friend since, as Lee puts it, Grade School grade school and a homeless man who nobody would've bothered bothered, just because he didn't want his secret getting out. He also is the first host to actually be shown to have a very abusive nature towards Venom as he silences it with his memories of his rough childhood. Stone cold Stone-cold and blood thirsty bloodthirsty Lee Price is what every host of Venom dreaded becoming becoming, and he revels in that fact.
29th Nov '16 4:05:20 PM HeroSeeker
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** ''Agent Venom'': [[DiabolicalMastermind Crime Master]], Bennett Brant, is the BigBad of the first half of this series. Originally thought to be killed in {{UsefulNotes/The Silver Age|OfComicBooks}} over some gambling debts, Bennett was actually taken in by a criminal organization who chose him to become the new Crime Master. Starting his reign of terror by kidnapping a psychotic child on Halloween, Crime Master [[TheCorrupter teaches the boy to kill]], convinces him to [[SelfMadeOrphan to kill his own parents]], and raises him as his new assassin, Jack O'Lantern V. Desiring to become a major crime boss, Crime Master then becomes an ArmsDealer. He hires a scientist to weaponize some Antarctic Vibranium, but the scientist double crosses him and uses the Vibranium to commit [[FinalSolution genocide]] in his home land. Crime Master is unhappy about his property being used without his permission, but is pleased to see his product in action and to get the free advertising. He sends Jack to capture the scientist, allowing him to kill innocent bystanders in the process. Believing that promoting chaos is good for his business, Crime Master wants to repeat scenes of horror such as this across the globe in order to make a profit. When Agent Venom, Flash Thompson, defeats Jack, Crime Master desires to control him. He has Jack kidnap Betty, Flash's girlfriend--and Brant's own [[BrotherSisterIncest sister]], whom he has a [[VillainousIncest twisted obsession with]]--and straps her to a bomb, only promising to release her if Venom delivers some Vibranium to him--a promise he quickly reneges on. He forces Flash to get the Toxin symbiote for him so that he can merge it with Eddie Brock and create a new super-powered minion. After Venom tries to assassinate the Crime Master, he orders his underlings to kill all of Flash's friends and family.

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** ''Agent Venom'': [[DiabolicalMastermind Crime Master]], Bennett Brant, is the BigBad of the first half of this series. Originally thought to to be killed in {{UsefulNotes/The Silver Age|OfComicBooks}} over some gambling debts, Bennett was actually taken in by a criminal organization who chose him to become the new Crime Master. Starting his reign of terror by kidnapping a psychotic child on Halloween, Crime Master [[TheCorrupter teaches the boy to kill]], convinces him to [[SelfMadeOrphan to kill his own parents]], and raises him as his new assassin, Jack O'Lantern V. Desiring to become a major crime boss, Crime Master then becomes an ArmsDealer. He hires a scientist to weaponize some Antarctic Vibranium, but the scientist double crosses him and uses the Vibranium to commit [[FinalSolution genocide]] in his home land. Crime Master is unhappy about his property being used without his permission, but is pleased to see his product in action and to get the free advertising. He sends Jack to capture the scientist, allowing him to kill innocent bystanders in the process. Believing that promoting chaos is good for his business, Crime Master wants to repeat scenes of horror such as this across the globe in order to make a profit. When Agent Venom, Flash Thompson, defeats Jack, Crime Master desires to control him. He has Jack kidnap Betty, Flash's girlfriend--and Brant's own [[BrotherSisterIncest sister]], whom he has a [[VillainousIncest twisted obsession with]]--and straps her to a bomb, only promising to release her if Venom delivers some Vibranium to him--a promise he quickly reneges on. He forces Flash to get the Toxin symbiote for him so that he can merge it with Eddie Brock and create a new super-powered minion. After Venom tries to assassinate the Crime Master, he orders his underlings to kill all of Flash's friends and family.family.
** The newest Venom host, Lee Price, was a former Army Ranger but unlike Flash Thompson he's a amoral sociopath. Only seeking the quickest way out of whatever situation he's in at the time. Upon gaining the Venom symbiote Lee kills almost everyone at a weapons deal gone wrong, the only survivor is Mac Gargen, which includes a man that's been his friend since, as Lee puts it, Grade School and a homeless man who nobody would've bothered just because he didn't want his secret getting out. He also is the first host to actually be shown to have a very abusive nature towards Venom as he silences it with his memories of his rough childhood. Stone cold and blood thirsty Lee Price is what every host of Venom dreaded becoming and he revels in that fact.
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