History YMMV / Venom

20th Mar '16 9:50:18 PM Arawn999
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** Flash Thompson as Venom while Eddie as stated above is the most popular and well known Flash is pretty popular second only to Brock himself.

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** Flash Thompson as Venom Agent Venom: while Eddie Eddie, as stated above above, is the most popular and well known incarnation of Venom, Flash is a pretty popular second only to Brock himself.second.



* MoralEventHorizon: The Crime Master feeding Eddie Brock to the Toxin symbiote just so he can have Toxin for his personal LegionOfDoom.

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The Crime Master feeding bonding Eddie Brock to the Toxin symbiote just so he can have Toxin for his personal LegionOfDoom.



** A reader by the name of Randy Schueller wrote into Marvel with the idea of giving Spider-Man a new black costume. Marvel's editor-and-chief at the time liked the idea and credited Schueller. Since he was writing ''Secret Wars'' at the time, Shooter asked Mike Zeck, the series' artist, to draw up a SpearCounterpart to Spider-Woman II's costume based on Schueller's design.
** Writers such as PeterDavid and Roger Stern gave the suit its ability to morph into other clothes, have an unlimited supply of web fluid, and decided to turn the costume into a living alien symbiote. Both men have taken some credit for Venom for this reason.
** Fans were not pleased with the change initially so the Spider-Man editors decided to get rid of it. David Michelinie, the writer of ''Amazing Spider-Man'', wanted to bring the costume back as a villain and came up with Eddie Brock's character. He also wrote the first miniseries and initially had the idea of turning him into an AntiVillain once he became popular enough.
** Todd [=McFarlane=] redesigned Spider-Man's black costume for the villain and came up with the name Venom. Because he was only an artist, he was frequently snubbed as having simply taken and altered another artist's work, and therefore being undeserving of recognition as a co-creator. According to rumor [[SmallNameBigEgo he demanded full creative control of the character]] and when Marvel refused, he left to help form ImageComics.
** Writer David Michelinie took full credit for Venom's creation, though amid backlash against him snubbing [=McFarlane=]'s contribution he admitted that Todd's design was one of the main reasons the character was so well-recieved.

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** A reader by the name of Randy Schueller wrote into Marvel with the idea of giving Spider-Man a new black costume. Marvel's editor-and-chief at the time liked the idea and credited bought it from Schueller. Since he was writing ''Secret Wars'' at the time, Shooter asked Mike Zeck, the series' artist, to draw up a SpearCounterpart to Spider-Woman II's costume based on Schueller's design.
** Writers such as PeterDavid Creator/PeterDavid and Roger Stern gave the suit its ability to morph into other clothes, have an unlimited supply of web fluid, and decided to turn the costume into a living alien symbiote. Both men have taken some credit for Venom for this reason.
** Fans were not pleased with the change initially so the Spider-Man editors decided to get rid of it. David Michelinie, the writer of ''Amazing Spider-Man'', wanted to bring the costume back as a villain after displeased fans prompted the editors to return Peter to his red-and-blues, and came up with Eddie Brock's character. He also wrote the first miniseries and initially had the idea of turning him into an AntiVillain once he became popular enough.
enough. Michelinie took full credit for Venom's creation, though amid backlash against him snubbing Todd [=McFarlane=]'s contribution he admitted that Todd's design was one of the main reasons the character was so well-recieved.
** Todd [=McFarlane=] redesigned Spider-Man's black costume for the villain and came up with the name Venom. Because he was only an artist, he was frequently snubbed as having simply taken and altered another artist's work, and therefore being undeserving of recognition as a co-creator. According to rumor [[SmallNameBigEgo he demanded full creative control of the character]] and when Marvel refused, he left to help form ImageComics.
** Writer David Michelinie took full credit for Venom's creation, though amid backlash against him snubbing [=McFarlane=]'s contribution he admitted that Todd's design was one of the main reasons the character was so well-recieved.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: A lot of fans still cannot accept the fact Eddie Brock is no longer Venom and keep asking that he and the symbiote get back together. This was teased during Spider-Verse when the symbiote abandoned Flash to take over Eddie, but ultimately didn't occur and, now that Eddie is Toxin and Flash is in space, is highly improbable.

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A lot of fans still cannot accept the fact Eddie Brock is no longer Venom and keep asking that he and the symbiote get back together. This was teased during Spider-Verse when the symbiote abandoned Flash to take over Eddie, but ultimately didn't occur and, now that Eddie is Toxin and Flash is in space, is highly improbable.improbable.
** Brian Michael Bendis purifying the Venom symbiote of its hatred, rage, and bloodlust in ''Guardians of the Galaxy'' was met with disdain by a lot of fans, especially since the reason he gave for doing so was to appeal to a new generation of fans who had no idea Venom was a vicious monster and simply saw him as a hero with a cool shapeshifting suit.
20th Mar '16 9:11:52 AM ACW
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**From ''Agent Venom'': [[DiabolicalMastermind Crime Master]], Bennett Brant, is the BigBad of the first half of this series. Originally thought to be killed in {{UsefulNotes/TheSilverAge|OfComicBooks}} over some gambling debts, Bennett was actually taken in by a criminal organization who chose him to become the new Crime Master. Starting his reign of terror by kidnapping a psychotic child on Halloween, Crime Master [[TheCorrupter teaches the boy to kill]], convinces him to [[SelfMadeOrphan to kill his own parents]], and raises him as his new assassin, Jack O'Lantern V. Desiring to become a major crime boss, Crime Master then becomes an ArmsDealer. He hires a scientist to weaponize some Antarctic Vibranium, but the scientist double crosses him and uses the Vibranium to commit [[FinalSolution genocide]] in his home land. Crime Master is unhappy about his property being used without his permission, but is pleased to see his product in action and to get the free advertising. He sends Jack to capture the scientist, allowing him to kill innocent bystanders in the process. Believing that promoting chaos is good for his business, Crime Master wants to repeat scenes of horror such as this across the globe in order to make a profit. When Agent Venom, Flash Thompson, defeats Jack, Crime Master desires to control him. He has Jack kidnap Betty and straps her to a bomb, only promising to release her if Venom delivers some Vibranium to him--a promise he quickly reneges on. He forces Flash to get the Toxin symbiote for him so that he can merge it with Eddie Brock and create a new super-powered minion. After Venom tries to assassinate the Crime Master, he orders his underlings to kill all of Flash's friends and family.
16th Jan '16 3:15:02 AM ACW
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**''ComicBook/SpiderManReign'': Edward Saks is [[MayorPain Mayor Waters's]] chief assistant and the [[TheManBehindTheMan real power behind the Reign regime]], with Waters just being [[ThePawn a puppet]]. Under Saks's guidance, Mayor Waters turns New York into a PoliceState, where elections are suspended and armed troops arrest, beat or just kill those who protest against the government. When Spider-Man returns, Saks releases the [[VillainTeamUp Sinister Six]] and sends them after Spidey, threatening to blow them up with [[ExplosiveLeash micro bombs implanted under their skin if they fail]]. Jameson confronts Saks and Mayor Waters over their actions and manages to reveal that Saks is in fact ComicBook/{{Venom}}. Venom then proceeds to [[ImAHumanitarian devour almost everyone]] in a room occupied by his prisoners and his [[BadBoss underlings]]. Mayor Waters announces the creation of the [[DeflectorShields WEBB shield generator]], designed to keep super criminals out of New York, but Venom altered it to deliver an army of [[PuppeteerParasite symbiotes]] to the people of New York, killing some civilians and turning others into Venom's slaves.
15th Jan '16 12:34:48 AM Arawn999
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* FridgeBrilliance:
** The retcon in ''Guardians of the Galaxy'' seems to clash with established lore regarding the symbiotes, but with a few BroadStrokes in regards to previously established lore it actually fits in quite nicely. It also brings the Venom symbiote back closer to its original depiction as an initially-benevolent entity that only wanted to protect and augment Spider-Man before being driven insane by Eddie's hatred. It even ties into the depiction of the Symbiote in the [=MC2=] after ''Spider-Girl'' #84. Normie Osborn freely bonded with the Symbiote, and the violent and aggressive emotions it possessed were purged as a result, leading to a much more benevolent "Venom" which Normie could use safely without being taken over like before, and which even sacrificed its life to save Spider-Girl from the Hobgoblin. It may be unintentional Fridge Brilliance, but Brian Michael Bendis was not the first to conceive of the Symbiote as a benevolent force.
* FridgeHorror:
** What would have happened if the Venom symbiote hadn't returned to Flash after taking over Eddie in ''Spider-Island''?
** What would have happened if the symbiote had succeeded in taking Zarathos into itself in ''Circle of Four''?
** What if the symbiote had succeeded in bonding to Kaine at the beginning of ''Minimum Carnage''?
** What would have happened if Carnage had absorbed Venom at the end of ''Minimum Carnage''?
15th Jan '16 12:19:18 AM ACW
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*CompleteMonster: While not normally, a few incarnations are:
** ''VideoGame/SpiderManWebOfShadows-Amazing Allies'' ([[UsefulNotes/PlayStation2 PS2]] and [[UsefulNotes/PlayStationPortable PSP]]) ''Edition'': ComicBook/{{Venom}}, Eddie Brock, is the [[BigBad main antagonist]] of this alternate telling of the story, and is nothing like [[AntiVillain any]] of his [[AntiHero other]] incarnations. Hating Spider-Man for untold reasons, Venom allows [[MadScientist Jackal]] to experiment on him in order to speed up his symbiote suit's growth rate, then spreads his symbiote across Manhattan, infecting hundreds of people, including Spider-Man's friends, and turning them into mindless, hate-filled zombies. After manipulating many of Spider-Man's foes into assisting him in destroying the Wall-Crawler, Venom reveals he plans to allow his symbiote to spread across the planet, infecting every human around the world once Spider-Man is dead.
7th Dec '15 5:52:10 AM Theokal3
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* FirstInstallmentWins: More like first host wins: even though the Venom symbiote has been used by various characters by now, the Eddie Brock incarnation remains the most popular, and the only one so far to have been adapted in other medias. The fourth Venom gained a significant fanbase and even got [[WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan his own animated apppearance (in a show which ironically didn't feature Eddie Brock)]]. It will probably never be as well known as Eddie Brock Venom but it's safe to call it a "runner up".

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More like first host wins: even though the Venom symbiote has been used by various characters by now, the Eddie Brock incarnation remains has for a long time remained the most popular, and the only one so far to have been get adapted in other medias. The This has recently changed with the fourth Venom Venom, Flash, who gained a significant fanbase and even got [[WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan his own animated apppearance (in a (ironically in the first show which ironically didn't to not feature Eddie Brock)]]. It will probably never be as well known as Eddie Brock Venom but it's safe to call it a "runner up".up".
** Aside from Venom, most Toxin fans seem to be under the impression Patrick Mulligan was a better Toxin than Brock is.
19th Nov '15 3:03:43 AM Arawn999
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* FridgeBrilliance: The retcon in ''Guardians of the Galaxy'' seems to clash with established lore regarding the symbiotes, but with a few BroadStrokes in regards to previously established lore it actually fits in quite nicely. It also brings the Venom symbiote back closer to its original depiction as an initially-benevolent entity that only wanted to protect and augment Spider-Man before being driven insane by Eddie's hatred.
** It even ties into the depiction of the Symbiote in the MC2 after Spider-Girl #84. Normie Osborn freely bonded with the Symbiote, and the violent and aggressive emotions it possessed were purged as a result, leading to a much more benevolent "Venom" which Normie could use safely without being taken over like before, and which even sacrificed its life to save Spider-Girl from the Hobgoblin. It may be unintentional Fridge Brilliance, but Brian Michael Bendis was not the first to conceive of the Symbiote as a benevolent force.
* FridgeHorror: What would have happened if the symbiote had succeeded in taking Zarathos into itself?

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* FridgeBrilliance: FridgeBrilliance:
**
The retcon in ''Guardians of the Galaxy'' seems to clash with established lore regarding the symbiotes, but with a few BroadStrokes in regards to previously established lore it actually fits in quite nicely. It also brings the Venom symbiote back closer to its original depiction as an initially-benevolent entity that only wanted to protect and augment Spider-Man before being driven insane by Eddie's hatred.
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hatred. It even ties into the depiction of the Symbiote in the MC2 [=MC2=] after Spider-Girl ''Spider-Girl'' #84. Normie Osborn freely bonded with the Symbiote, and the violent and aggressive emotions it possessed were purged as a result, leading to a much more benevolent "Venom" which Normie could use safely without being taken over like before, and which even sacrificed its life to save Spider-Girl from the Hobgoblin. It may be unintentional Fridge Brilliance, but Brian Michael Bendis was not the first to conceive of the Symbiote as a benevolent force.
* FridgeHorror: FridgeHorror:
** What would have happened if the Venom symbiote hadn't returned to Flash after taking over Eddie in ''Spider-Island''?
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What would have happened if the symbiote had succeeded in taking Zarathos into itself?itself in ''Circle of Four''?
** What if the symbiote had succeeded in bonding to Kaine at the beginning of ''Minimum Carnage''?
** What would have happened if Carnage had absorbed Venom at the end of ''Minimum Carnage''?



* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: The Crime Master feeding Eddie Brock to the Toxin symbiote just so he can have Toxin for his personal LegionOfDoom.]]

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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: The Crime Master feeding Eddie Brock to the Toxin symbiote just so he can have Toxin for his personal LegionOfDoom.]]



** Todd [=McFarlane=] redesigned Spider-Man's black costume for the villain and came up with the name Venom. Because of this, he was frequently snubbed as having simply taken and altered another artist's work, and therefore being undeserving of recognition as a co-creator. According to rumour [[SmallNameBigEgo he demanded full creative control of the character]] and when Marvel refused, he left to help form ImageComics.

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** Todd [=McFarlane=] redesigned Spider-Man's black costume for the villain and came up with the name Venom. Because of this, he was only an artist, he was frequently snubbed as having simply taken and altered another artist's work, and therefore being undeserving of recognition as a co-creator. According to rumour rumor [[SmallNameBigEgo he demanded full creative control of the character]] and when Marvel refused, he left to help form ImageComics.



* NewerThanTheyThink: Even though he's labeled as a "classic" Spider-Man -villain, Venom is just little over 25 years old, wile Spidey himself has already reached 50.

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* NewerThanTheyThink: Even though he's labeled as a "classic" Spider-Man -villain, Venom is just little over 25 pushing 30 years old, wile Spidey himself has already reached 50.



* TheWoobie: The symbiote itself. [[spoiler:The ''Guardians of the Galaxy'''s retcon only amps this up further by revealing that the symbiotes are naturally benevolent and consider themselves noble warriors that help worthy hosts become true heroes. But somewhere down the line, a symbiote bonded to an unworthy host and was driven insane by bloodlust, leading to the foundation of the empire of carnivorous Lovecraftian parasites they've been portrayed as ever since the original ''Planet of the Symbiotes''. The Venom symbiote was the first in its lineage to be born without that bloodlust, and was imprisoned for wanting to be more like its noble ancestors.]] It's freed by Spider-Man and deems him a worthy host, but when he finds out it's alive he panics and rejects it. When Eddie Brock shows up about to commit suicide, the symbiote is drawn to his obsession with Spider-Man and bonds to him, but is driven insane with bloodlust, which just gets worse over time.

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* TheWoobie: TheWoobie:
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The symbiote itself. [[spoiler:The ''Guardians of the Galaxy'''s retcon only amps this up further by revealing that the symbiotes are naturally benevolent and consider themselves noble warriors that help worthy hosts become true heroes. But somewhere down the line, a symbiote bonded to an unworthy host and was driven insane by bloodlust, leading to the foundation of the empire of carnivorous Lovecraftian parasites they've been portrayed as ever since the original ''Planet of the Symbiotes''. The Venom symbiote was the first in its lineage to be born without that bloodlust, and was imprisoned for wanting to be more like its noble ancestors.]] It's freed by Spider-Man and deems him a worthy host, but when he finds out it's alive he panics and rejects it. When Eddie Brock shows up about to commit suicide, the symbiote is drawn to his obsession with Spider-Man and bonds to him, but is driven insane with bloodlust, which just gets worse over time.
28th Oct '15 12:17:03 AM erforce
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** The first 1/3 of Daniel Way's ''Venom'' Vol. 1 ripped-off ''[[TheThing1982 The Thing]]'', while the rest of was a convoluted mess involving an ancient alien who has ties to Noah's Arc, and is more or less secretly running the world. Despite all of his resources and even though he's been on Earth for millions of years, he decides the best way to KillAllHumans is to grow a 100% evil clone of the Venom symbiote, in the hope that the original (who only appears halfway through the series) would absorb it, and its genocidal intentions. The run had no conclusion, was gratuitously mean-spirited, and was full of creepy sexual imagery, and good guys who act like stubborn {{Jerkass}}es when they weren't being [[WhatAnIdiot annoyingly]] [[IdiotBall incompetent]]. Oh, and Canada was nuked.

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** The first 1/3 of Daniel Way's ''Venom'' Vol. 1 ripped-off ''[[TheThing1982 ''[[Film/TheThing1982 The Thing]]'', while the rest of was a convoluted mess involving an ancient alien who has ties to Noah's Arc, and is more or less secretly running the world. Despite all of his resources and even though he's been on Earth for millions of years, he decides the best way to KillAllHumans is to grow a 100% evil clone of the Venom symbiote, in the hope that the original (who only appears halfway through the series) would absorb it, and its genocidal intentions. The run had no conclusion, was gratuitously mean-spirited, and was full of creepy sexual imagery, and good guys who act like stubborn {{Jerkass}}es when they weren't being [[WhatAnIdiot annoyingly]] [[IdiotBall incompetent]]. Oh, and Canada was nuked.
26th Oct '15 12:37:34 AM Ghidra15
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14th Oct '15 3:57:36 PM Carnage123
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** Flash Thompson as Venom while Eddie as stated above is the most popular and well known Flash is pretty popular second only to Brock himself.
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