History YMMV / Ultramarines

6th May '17 11:16:01 AM Grandad7
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* Ensemble Darkhorse: From the Movie [[spoiler:One of the surviving Fists, Carnek is this mainly for being voiced by John Hurt.
**Even amoung those who hate The Ultramarines, Ortan Cassius is this on the tabletop game for actually having a character that dosen't depend on being the best of their role and for generally being a badass
6th May '17 11:10:51 AM Grandad7
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* Ensemble Darkhorse: From the Movie [[spoiler:One of the surviving Fists, Carnek is this for having [Bling of war/some cool armor] and being voiced by John Hurt.

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* Ensemble Darkhorse: From the Movie [[spoiler:One of the surviving Fists, Carnek is this for having [Bling of war/some cool armor] and mainly for being voiced by John Hurt.Hurt.
**Even amoung those who hate The Ultramarines, Ortan Cassius is this on the tabletop game for actually having a character that dosen't depend on being the best of their role and for generally being a badass
6th May '17 11:05:57 AM Grandad7
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* Ensemble Darkhorse: From the Movie [[spoiler:One of the surviving Fists, Carnek is this for having [[blingofwar] some cool armor] and being voiced by [[Person/John Hurt]].]]

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* Ensemble Darkhorse: From the Movie [[spoiler:One of the surviving Fists, Carnek is this for having [[blingofwar] some [Bling of war/some cool armor] and being voiced by [[Person/John Hurt]].]]John Hurt.
6th May '17 11:03:24 AM Grandad7
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* Ensemble Darkhorse: From the Movie [[spoiler:One of the surviving Fists, Carnek is this for having [[blingofwar] some cool armor] and being voiced by [[Person/John Hurt]].]]
9th Mar '17 12:39:25 AM TroperBeDoper
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*** A problem some have with McNeill is that they feel it takes it too far in the other direction.

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*** A problem some have with McNeill [=McNeill=] is that they feel it takes it too far in the other direction.
28th Aug '16 2:27:24 AM Wolfeight
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation‎: Much of Matt Ward's fluff is rather clearly propaganda or what citizens of Ultimar believe.
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Fans were hoping that Ward wouldn't be writing Ultramarines in the next books well they're right, only problem is Robin Cruddace (writer of 6th Edition Codex) more or less ''kept'' everything Ward wrote, fan favorite Phil Kelly (who wrote the Damnos Warzone book) took the "Ultramrines are awesome" UpToEleven.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation‎: Much of Matt Ward's fluff is rather clearly propaganda or what citizens of Ultimar Ultramar believe.
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Fans were hoping that Ward wouldn't be writing Ultramarines in the next books well they're right, the only problem is Robin Cruddace (writer of 6th Edition Codex) more or less ''kept'' everything Ward wrote, fan favorite Phil Kelly (who wrote the Damnos Warzone book) took the "Ultramrines "Ultramarines are awesome" UpToEleven.



** To make matters worse, Matt Ward, the author of the most recent codex, has taken to ramming how awesome all Ultramarines are down peoples throats. This is done to the point where one small paragraph notes that Ultramarines scouts can have the same level of experience as most captains from other chapters by the time they don power armour. The second company is also described as being the "greatest fighting force in the Adeptus Astartes."

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** To make matters worse, Matt Ward, the author of the most recent codex, has taken to ramming how awesome all Ultramarines are down peoples people's throats. This is done to the point where one small paragraph notes that Ultramarines scouts can have the same level of experience as most captains from other chapters by the time they don power armour. The second company is also described as being the "greatest fighting force in the Adeptus Astartes."



-->I always have plan.
* MarySuetopia: Ultramar is a little empire of prosperity, especially compared to the rest of the Imperium. A lot of this is due to the Ultramarines' rebuilding strategies during the great crusade. The fact that there are seven civilized worlds whose only responsibility is to support the Ultramarines[[labelnote:*]]Other Space Marine Chapters generally have only a single world supplying innitiates and supplies, and it's often a savage world or a death world. And because the planets of Ultramar are responsible for maintaining the Ultramarines, the only tithes they pay to the main body of the Imperium are gene seed tithes, which have no effect on the common population. Normal worlds, on the other hand, have to tithe some combination of food, supplies, manpower or the like, which can place a lot of stress on the population during hard times[[/labelnote]] helps a lot too.

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-->I always have a plan.
* MarySuetopia: Ultramar is a little empire of prosperity, especially compared to the rest of the Imperium. A lot of this is due to the Ultramarines' rebuilding strategies during the great crusade. The fact that there are seven civilized worlds whose only responsibility is to support the Ultramarines[[labelnote:*]]Other Space Marine Chapters generally have only a single world supplying innitiates initiates and supplies, and it's often a savage world or a death world. And because the planets of Ultramar are responsible for maintaining the Ultramarines, the only tithes they pay to the main body of the Imperium are gene seed gene-seed tithes, which have no effect on the common population. Normal worlds, on the other hand, have to tithe some combination of food, supplies, manpower or the like, which can place a lot of stress on the population during hard times[[/labelnote]] helps a lot too.



** And even they agree he's this compare to Ward.
* {{Narm}}: In the film, the various Imperial Fists corpses arranged as increasingly elaborate wall-art. It doesn't help that their yellow armor really brings much needed color to an otherwise drab planet.

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** And even they agree he's this compare compared to Ward.
* {{Narm}}: In the film, the various Imperial Fists corpses arranged as increasingly elaborate wall-art. wall art. It doesn't help that their yellow armor really brings much needed much-needed color to an otherwise drab planet.
10th May '16 4:24:19 PM TARINunit9
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** The CGI movie. It's either SoOkayItsAverage or downright horrible.



*** By the way, good luck figuring out how much of this was ExecutiveMeddling (Matt Ward was commissioned to write an Ultramarines-only codex before the publisher told him to also make it a general Space Marines book instead) and how much is genuine fanboyism (see his feud with [=McNeill=] below).



* {{Narm}}: The various Imperial Fists corpses arranged as increasingly elaborate wall-art. It doesn't help that their yellow armor really brings much needed color to an otherwise drab planet.

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* {{Narm}}: The In the film, the various Imperial Fists corpses arranged as increasingly elaborate wall-art. It doesn't help that their yellow armor really brings much needed color to an otherwise drab planet.
22nd Jul '14 12:52:30 PM TVRulezAgain
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** GrahamMcNeill actually tried to tone down some of the more overt fanboying in ''Chapter's Due''. Matt Ward then tried to retcon some of it out.

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** GrahamMcNeill Creator/GrahamMcNeill actually tried to tone down some of the more overt fanboying in ''Chapter's Due''. Matt Ward then tried to retcon some of it out.
8th Oct '13 4:57:45 PM d715
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** Thankfully the 6th Edition rulebook removed this. Chapters that don't follow the Codex Astartes are no longer considered [[StopHavingFunGuys "aberrant"]], other Chapters don't look up to Guilliman as their "spiritual liege", and pretty much every other MarySue trait has been done away with.

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** Thankfully the 6th Edition rulebook removed this. Chapters that don't follow the Codex Astartes are no longer considered [[StopHavingFunGuys "aberrant"]], other Chapters don't look up to Guilliman as their "spiritual liege", and pretty much every other MarySue trait has been done away with.with (minus the bit about the Honor Guard).
8th Oct '13 12:46:28 AM d715
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Fans were hoping that Ward wouldn't be writing Ultramarines in the next books well they're right, only problem is Robin Cruddace (writer of 6th Edition Codex) more or less ''kept'' everything Ward wrote, fan favorite Phil Kelly (who wrote the Damnos Warzone book) took the "Ultramrines are awesome" UpToEleven.
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