History YMMV / UltimateSpider-Man

28th Sep '16 11:45:45 AM BatmanKalEl
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** Speaking of Fury there's some hot debate over how to interpret his character. He's either a government agent [[WellIntentionedExtremist who has had to do morally questionable things]] to [[IDidWhatIHadToDo protect the world]] and is ultimately the BigGood (how the show itself seems to want you to interpret him) or a FailureHero who does [[CreateYourOwnVillain more harm than good.]] (How a large number of fans view him.)

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** Speaking of Fury there's some hot debate over how to interpret his character. He's either a government agent [[WellIntentionedExtremist [[PragmaticHero who has had to do morally questionable things]] to [[IDidWhatIHadToDo protect the world]] and is ultimately the BigGood (how the show itself seems to want you to interpret him) or a FailureHero who does [[CreateYourOwnVillain more harm than good.]] (How a large number of fans view him.)
28th Sep '16 11:44:54 AM BatmanKalEl
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** Speaking of Fury there's some hot debate over how to interpret his character. He's either a government agent [[WhiteAndGrayMorality who has had to do morally questionable things]] to [[IDidWhatIHadToDo protect the world]] and is ultimately the BigGood (how the show itself seems to want you to interpret him) or a FailureHero who does [[CreateYourOwnVillain more harm than good.]] (How a large number of fans view him.)

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** Speaking of Fury there's some hot debate over how to interpret his character. He's either a government agent [[WhiteAndGrayMorality [[WellIntentionedExtremist who has had to do morally questionable things]] to [[IDidWhatIHadToDo protect the world]] and is ultimately the BigGood (how the show itself seems to want you to interpret him) or a FailureHero who does [[CreateYourOwnVillain more harm than good.]] (How a large number of fans view him.)
20th Sep '16 12:05:41 PM chloelee12
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** Season 4 is a long running one for Doctor Octopus. His obsession with Spider-Man reaches his peak, continues to harass the Osborns, erases the mind of ''at least'' one character in attempt to enslave them, [[spoiler: creates Scarlet Spider for the exact purpose of infiltrating the team and getting close enough to Spider-Man so that our hero will reveal his name and family, only to backstab him in the most heartbreaking way possible,]] [[spoiler: shows he only views Scarlet Spider as weapon (which leads to Ben's redemption,)]] lays waste to New York at one point, [[spoiler: goes to attack Aunt May, with creepy, predatory undertones to the action,]] and reveals he cares about ''absolutely nothing or anyone except himself.'' No matter how sympathetic he may have been in the first two seasons, nothing excuses his actions anymore.


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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Doc Oct, in the first two seasons at least, due to his backstory in this continuity. Most fans agree he lost this after season 4 however.
20th Sep '16 11:43:45 AM chloelee12
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** Nova and Fury, two of the most hated characters in the show, mysteriously disappear at the start of season 4 and have yet to reappear. While there is a plotline involving finding them it's been rarely touched on. Their absence is no doubt a result of the aforementioned hatred they've received.

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** Nova and Fury, two of the most hated characters in the show, mysteriously disappear at the start of season 4 and have yet [[spoiler: only reappear near the end of the season, and in extremely minor roles to reappear. boot.]] While there is a plotline involving finding them that same season it's been rarely ever touched on.upon. Their absence is no doubt a result of the aforementioned hatred they've received.
20th Sep '16 11:20:41 AM chloelee12
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** [[ImpliedTrope implied]] with Nova, as he's stated to have been an orphan prior to becoming a Guardian.

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** [[ImpliedTrope implied]] Implied]] with Nova, as he's stated to have been [[spoiler: an orphan orphan]] prior to becoming a Guardian.



** TheUnreveal: If you've even remotely followed either of the Spider-Verse arcs it's incredibly easy to figure out that in ''Return'' that [[spoiler: Wolf-Spider is an alternate universe version of Peter, due to the fact that every other spider character in the multi-verse is an alternate version of him, except for the one universe he's dead in.]] Possibly lampshaded from Peter's lack of a reaction.

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** * TheUnreveal: If you've even remotely followed either of the Spider-Verse arcs it's incredibly easy to figure out that in ''Return'' that [[spoiler: Wolf-Spider is an alternate universe version of Peter, Peter. Mostly due to the fact that every other spider character in the multi-verse is an alternate version of him, except for the one universe he's dead in.]] Possibly lampshaded from Peter's lack of a reaction.
20th Sep '16 12:37:52 AM H2SO4
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** Spider-Gwen in the ''Return to the Spider-verse arc.''

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** Spider-Gwen in the ''Return to the Spider-verse arc.'' As a bonus, she's portrayed by Dove Cameron.
19th Sep '16 10:56:41 PM chloelee12
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** [[ImpliedTrope implied]] with Nova, as he's stated to have been an orphan prior to becoming a Guardian.


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** Spider-Gwen in the ''Return to the Spider-verse arc.''


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** TheUnreveal: If you've even remotely followed either of the Spider-Verse arcs it's incredibly easy to figure out that in ''Return'' that [[spoiler: Wolf-Spider is an alternate universe version of Peter, due to the fact that every other spider character in the multi-verse is an alternate version of him, except for the one universe he's dead in.]] Possibly lampshaded from Peter's lack of a reaction.
8th Sep '16 11:26:58 AM chloelee12
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* OlderThanTheyThink: Despite what some viewers think, Spider-Man has broken the fourth wall before in his own comics. [[http://segamarvel.deviantart.com/art/Bonified-4th-wall-breaker-419114915 Here]] are some examples. It's just flanderized here.
6th Sep '16 10:23:22 PM chloelee12
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* WinBackTheCrowd: Season 4, in large part, did this for the show in the eyes of the Spider-Man fandom as a whole. Due to it being much more serious and it's plot being more focused, as well as this season not integrating the other shows that the show shares a continuity with. This gave the show a chance to stand on it's own feet rather than forcing viewers to look up particular episodes of the other shows, a common complaint in Season 4. Many people say that Season 4 feels like a "real" Spider-Man show when compared to the previous seasons.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: Season 4, in large part, did this for the show in the eyes of the Spider-Man fandom as a whole. Due to it being much more serious and it's plot being more focused, as well as this season not integrating the other shows that the show shares a continuity with. This gave the show a chance to stand on it's own feet rather than forcing viewers to look up particular episodes of the other shows, a common complaint in Season 4.3. Many people say that Season 4 feels like a "real" Spider-Man show when compared to the previous seasons.
28th Aug '16 1:01:46 PM Dr.XXX
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** Return to the Spiderverse becoming somewhat of a PragmaticAdaptation of ComicBook/SecretWars2015 is seen as a great way to seemingly end the season, having less ArcFatigue than the actual book.
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