History YMMV / Twilight

14th Jun '18 7:44:19 PM LiteraryCynic
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*** Doesn't help that his way of "accepting his destiny" and becoming the "true alpha" he was apparently always meant to be was solely to end up becoming Bella's doormat so she could have him and Edward both. Even more horrifying in that after becoming the alpha, he knew full well the Cullens were sending their vampire friends off to eat people and despite the fact he's supposed to be stopping that sort of thing, let them do it. He betrayed his people and his purpose, actively aided the people he was supposed to stop, and let innocent people die. For "Nessie".
9th Jun '18 9:16:56 AM costanton11
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* StrangledByTheRedString: The series has this both {{in-universe}} with the concept of "imprinting", which means this can be done to werewolves as soon as the plot demands (arguably, all the examples in book 3 were only to prepare the reader for the last one), and out-of-universe with Bella and Edward's relationship. Edward acts surly and moody toward Bella for the first half of the book, and yet Bella decides that she's "unconditionally and irrevocably in love with [Edward]" ''right after she realizes that he's a vampire who thirsts after her blood'', and is completely devoted to him from that point on, even in the face of Edward's own warnings about how he could ''kill'' her. Just how devoted is she? She's willing to give up her human life without any second thoughts to be with him forever after what can't be any more than a month of knowing him, and instantly leaps back into his arms after he renders her ''practically comatose'' by leaving her without explanation. ''And'' her interactions with Edward after the vampire "reveal" consist almost entirely of them repeatedly professing their love to one another and her even more repeatedly being "dazzled" by Edward's glorious beauty.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: The series has this both {{in-universe}} InUniverse with the concept of "imprinting", which means this can be done to werewolves as soon as the plot demands (arguably, all the examples in book 3 were only to prepare the reader for the last one), and out-of-universe with Bella and Edward's relationship. Edward acts surly and moody toward Bella for the first half of the book, and yet Bella decides that she's "unconditionally and irrevocably in love with [Edward]" ''right after she realizes that he's a vampire who thirsts after her blood'', and is completely devoted to him from that point on, even in the face of Edward's own warnings about how he could ''kill'' her. Just how devoted is she? She's willing to give up her human life without any second thoughts to be with him forever after what can't be any more than a month of knowing him, and instantly leaps back into his arms after he renders her ''practically comatose'' by leaving her without explanation. ''And'' her interactions with Edward after the vampire "reveal" consist almost entirely of them repeatedly professing their love to one another and her even more repeatedly being "dazzled" by Edward's glorious beauty.
26th Apr '18 7:07:26 AM ThatSpyChick
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** Not to mention their different species. It would be understandable, even if insulting, from him to think of her as a pet.

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** Not to mention their different species. It would be understandable, even if insulting, from for him to think of her as a pet.
21st Apr '18 6:26:05 PM nombretomado
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*** This is very obvious when you note that those psychic abilities only work when it facilitates the plot, for example: Alice has psychic visions with perfect clarity when it will lead to the main characters knowing something that they need to know in order for the plot to move forward (the newborn army) but when her knowing something would hinder the plot or make a big moment less dramatic (Edward's suicide attempt in response to falsely being told that Bella is dead) her visions suddenly become ambiguous and hazy for some reason. All her "blind spots" just happen to be really plot convenient. It's especially {{egregious}} in ''Breaking Dawn''; at one point, she's using Jacob's presence to deliberately block out her visions (because she can't see the werewolves, something that's a major plot point in ''New Moon''), but later on has no problem using her ability while he's in the ''same room''. It's one of the many things that drove even the fans up the wall.

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*** This is very obvious when you note that those psychic abilities only work when it facilitates the plot, for example: Alice has psychic visions with perfect clarity when it will lead to the main characters knowing something that they need to know in order for the plot to move forward (the newborn army) but when her knowing something would hinder the plot or make a big moment less dramatic (Edward's suicide attempt in response to falsely being told that Bella is dead) her visions suddenly become ambiguous and hazy for some reason. All her "blind spots" just happen to be really plot convenient. It's especially {{egregious}} JustForFun/{{egregious}} in ''Breaking Dawn''; at one point, she's using Jacob's presence to deliberately block out her visions (because she can't see the werewolves, something that's a major plot point in ''New Moon''), but later on has no problem using her ability while he's in the ''same room''. It's one of the many things that drove even the fans up the wall.
15th Apr '18 7:35:07 PM costanton11
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** [[Creator/RamiMalek Benjamin]] [[MrRobot went on to become a socially anxious hacker working to bring down the biggest conglomerate in the world.]]

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** [[Creator/RamiMalek Benjamin]] [[MrRobot [[Series/MrRobot went on to become a socially anxious hacker working to bring down the biggest conglomerate in the world.]]
5th Apr '18 9:04:55 PM Stevebob
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** To a lesser extent, some antis have a tendency to go on and on about how ''Twilight'' allegedly "ruined vampires". Whilst ''Twilight'' did end up with [[GenrePopularizer a glut]] [[FollowTheLeader of imitators]] of…varying quality, there were and still are vampire-themed works being made that have been quite well-received and feature a wide variety of stories and portrayals of vampires (as opposed to just romances aimed at teens). Regardless of your opinion of ''Twilight'', its popularity also actually helped revitalise interest in older works in the vampire genre, such as ''Literature/TheVampireDiaries'' and several others. Therefore, it’s to say that ''Twilight'' hasn’t "ruined vampires forever" or at the very least, not to the extent that some people claim.

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** To a lesser extent, some antis have a tendency to go on and on about how ''Twilight'' allegedly "ruined vampires". Whilst ''Twilight'' did end up with [[GenrePopularizer a glut]] [[FollowTheLeader of imitators]] of…varying quality, there were and still are vampire-themed works being made that have been quite well-received and feature a wide variety of stories and portrayals of vampires (as opposed to just romances aimed at teens). Regardless of your opinion of ''Twilight'', its popularity also actually helped revitalise interest in older works in the vampire genre, such as ''Literature/TheVampireDiaries'' and several others. Therefore, it’s probably safe to say that ''Twilight'' hasn’t "ruined vampires forever" or at the very least, not to the extent that some people claim.
3rd Apr '18 12:23:54 AM Stevebob
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** To a lesser extent, some antis have a tendency to go on and on about how ''Twilight'' allegedly "ruined vampires". Whilst ''Twilight'' did end up with [[GenrePopularizer a glut]][[FollowTheLeader of imitators]]of…varying quality, there were and still are vampire-themed works being made that have been quite well-received and feature a wide variety of stories and portrayals of vampires (as opposed to just romances aimed at teens). Regardless of your opinion of ''Twilight'', its popularity also actually helped revitalise interest in older works in the vampire genre, such as ''Literature/TheVampireDiaries'' and several others. Therefore, it’s to say that ''Twilight'' hasn’t "ruined vampires forever" or at the very least, not to the extent that some people claim.

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** To a lesser extent, some antis have a tendency to go on and on about how ''Twilight'' allegedly "ruined vampires". Whilst ''Twilight'' did end up with [[GenrePopularizer a glut]][[FollowTheLeader glut]] [[FollowTheLeader of imitators]]of…varying imitators]] of…varying quality, there were and still are vampire-themed works being made that have been quite well-received and feature a wide variety of stories and portrayals of vampires (as opposed to just romances aimed at teens). Regardless of your opinion of ''Twilight'', its popularity also actually helped revitalise interest in older works in the vampire genre, such as ''Literature/TheVampireDiaries'' and several others. Therefore, it’s to say that ''Twilight'' hasn’t "ruined vampires forever" or at the very least, not to the extent that some people claim.



* DamselScrappy: Bella Swan epitomizes this trope, even commenting in her own narrative that "I guess my brain will never work right. At least I'm pretty." Add in the fact that she can't seem to get out of ''any'' scrape without the intervention of a male, you've got one of the most textbook examples of this trope ''ever''.

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* DamselScrappy: Bella Swan epitomizes this trope, even commenting in her own narrative that "I guess my brain will never work right. At least I'm pretty." Add in the fact that she can't seem to get out of ''any'' scrape without the intervention of a male, male and you've got one of the most textbook examples of this trope ''ever''.



** Victoria in the films.

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** Victoria in the films.films, who comes across as TheVamp and gets a make-out session with Riley in ''Eclipse''.
3rd Apr '18 12:22:14 AM Stevebob
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* BrokenBase: Leading up to the release of the film version of ''New Moon'', the war between the "Team Edward" and "Team Jacob" factions became so intense that Burger King was able to base an ad campaign around it.
** And the base promptly exploded when ''Breaking Dawn'' came out.

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* BrokenBase: BrokenBase:
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Leading up to the release of the film version of ''New Moon'', [[ShipToShipCombat the war war]] between the "Team Edward" and "Team Jacob" factions became so intense that Burger King was able to base an ad campaign around it.
** And the base promptly exploded when ''Breaking Dawn'' ''[[ContestedSequel Breaking Dawn]]'' came out.



** To a lesser extent, some antis have a tendency to go on and on about how ''Twilight'' allegedly "ruined vampires". Whilst ''Twilight'' did end up with [[GenrePopulariser a glut]] [[FollowTheLeader of imitators]]of…varying quality, there were and still are vampire-themed works being made that have been quite well-received and feature a wide variety of stories and portrayals of vampires (as opposed to just romances aimed at teens). Regardless of your opinion of ''Twilight'', its popularity also actually helped revitalise interest in older works in the vampire genre, such as ''Literature/TheVampireDiaries'' and several others. Therefore, it’s to say that ''Twilight'' hasn’t "ruined vampires forever" or at the very least, not to the extent that some people claim.

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** To a lesser extent, some antis have a tendency to go on and on about how ''Twilight'' allegedly "ruined vampires". Whilst ''Twilight'' did end up with [[GenrePopulariser [[GenrePopularizer a glut]] [[FollowTheLeader glut]][[FollowTheLeader of imitators]]of…varying quality, there were and still are vampire-themed works being made that have been quite well-received and feature a wide variety of stories and portrayals of vampires (as opposed to just romances aimed at teens). Regardless of your opinion of ''Twilight'', its popularity also actually helped revitalise interest in older works in the vampire genre, such as ''Literature/TheVampireDiaries'' and several others. Therefore, it’s to say that ''Twilight'' hasn’t "ruined vampires forever" or at the very least, not to the extent that some people claim.
3rd Apr '18 12:19:07 AM Stevebob
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* CriticalBacklash: [[FirstInstallmentWins The first movie]] is actually regarded by some as being a decent young adult adaptation, while the other movies are subject to {{Sequelitis}}. If nothing else, the movie is seen as being much better than the source material it was based on.

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* CriticalBacklash: CriticalBacklash:
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[[FirstInstallmentWins The first movie]] is actually regarded by some as being a decent young adult adaptation, while the other movies are subject to {{Sequelitis}}. If nothing else, the movie is seen as being much better than the source material it was based on.on.
** To a lesser extent, some antis have a tendency to go on and on about how ''Twilight'' allegedly "ruined vampires". Whilst ''Twilight'' did end up with [[GenrePopulariser a glut]] [[FollowTheLeader of imitators]]of…varying quality, there were and still are vampire-themed works being made that have been quite well-received and feature a wide variety of stories and portrayals of vampires (as opposed to just romances aimed at teens). Regardless of your opinion of ''Twilight'', its popularity also actually helped revitalise interest in older works in the vampire genre, such as ''Literature/TheVampireDiaries'' and several others. Therefore, it’s to say that ''Twilight'' hasn’t "ruined vampires forever" or at the very least, not to the extent that some people claim.
2nd Apr '18 9:03:49 PM Stevebob
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* AngstDissonance: Even some fans of the series got fed up with Bella’s near-constant crying and moping over Edward leaving her in ''New Moon', especially as it lasts virtually ''[[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy the entire book]]''. Some considered it to be a disproportionate response (she seems to be seriously depressed and even ''suicidal'', all over being dumped by a guy she’d dated for a few months) and/or found her [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic unsympathetic]] for how she seems to completely disregard her family and friends during this period, even if they try to help her (and in the case of Jessica and particularly Jacob, outright uses them just to make herself feel better).

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* AngstDissonance: Even some fans of the series got fed up with Bella’s near-constant crying and moping over Edward leaving her in ''New Moon', Moon'', especially as it lasts virtually ''[[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy the entire book]]''. Some considered it to be a disproportionate response (she seems to be seriously depressed and even ''suicidal'', all over being dumped by a guy she’d dated for a few months) and/or found her [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic unsympathetic]] for how she seems to completely disregard her family and friends during this period, even if they try to help her (and in the case of Jessica and particularly Jacob, outright uses them just to make herself feel better).
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