History YMMV / Twilight

19th Mar '17 8:09:59 AM NightShade96
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-->''“Harry Potter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend.”''

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-->''“Harry Potter -->''“Literature/HarryPotter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend.”''
19th Mar '17 7:57:19 AM NightShade96
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%%** In fact, throughout the series, Edward performs every form of abuse there is against Bella short of actually striking her, and even then there was at least one occasion where he grabbed her with force that was just shy of doing any actual damage. There was also the time he threw her into a table and severed her arm, ostensibly to protect her from a rabid Jasper.

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%%** ** In fact, throughout the series, Edward performs every action that could be taken as a form of abuse there is against Bella Bella, short of actually striking her, and even then there was at least one occasion where he grabbed her with force that was just shy of doing any actual damage. There was also the time he threw her into a table and severed her arm, ostensibly to protect her from a rabid Jasper.



%%* The entire relation between the two main characters resemble more a drug addiction than love. Edward even lampshades it in the first film, but Bella also has her fair share of it, particularly in ''New Moon''. After being left by her boyfriend, she has an AngstComa that can only be fixed with [[DoesThisRemindYouofAnything big "doses" of adrenaline in order to experiment extreme sensations that allow her to have visions.]] She keeps hurting herself but still keeps elevating the doses of danger, to the point of practically killing herself in the process. And this is portrayed as true love.

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%%* The * [[http://applesparkles.wikia.com/wiki/TWILIGHT_IS_ABOWT_TRU_WUV!!!_BELLA_N_EDWARD_LUV_EACH_OTHER! This page]] points out that the entire relation relationship​ between the two main characters resemble resembles more a drug addiction (or lust) than love. Edward even lampshades it in the first film, but Bella also has her fair share of it, particularly in ''New Moon''. After being left by her boyfriend, she has an AngstComa that can only be fixed with [[DoesThisRemindYouofAnything big "doses" of adrenaline in order to experiment extreme sensations that allow her to have visions.]] She keeps hurting herself but still keeps elevating the doses of danger, to the point of practically killing herself in the process. And this is portrayed as true love.



* Reading the [[http://das-sporking.livejournal.com/873786.html Twilight Lexicon Personal Correspondence #12]] can be a rather... unpleasant experience, to say the least. Meyer attempts to justify some of the issues fans have had about aspects of the story, such as the Cullens murdering numerous people without any consequence, and it doesn't go so well.

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* Reading the [[http://das-sporking.livejournal.com/873786.html Twilight Lexicon Personal Correspondence #12]] can be a rather... rather… unpleasant experience, to say the least. Meyer attempts to justify some of the issues fans have had about aspects of the story, such as the Cullens murdering numerous people without any consequence, and it doesn't go so well.



* As pointed out [[http://applesparkles.wikia.com/wiki/Bella#Why_Bella_is_an_anti-feminist_FAIL here]], Bella rarely thinks before she acts and usually just lets her emotions and selfish impulses guide her actions... and this ultimately leads her to an eternity of happiness with the man of her dreams and a perfect, adoring family, all of whom seem to care about nothing more than taking care of Bella and making her happy.
** On the rare occasion that she does make her own decisions (as opposed to just reacting to stimuli and letting Edward think for her) it ends in disaster... from which Edward usually saves her. In fact, generally just going against Edward's will usually doesn't end well for Bella.

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* As pointed out [[http://applesparkles.wikia.com/wiki/Bella#Why_Bella_is_an_anti-feminist_FAIL here]], Bella rarely thinks before she acts and usually just lets her emotions and selfish impulses guide her actions... actions… and this ultimately leads her to an eternity of happiness with the man of her dreams and a perfect, adoring family, all of whom seem to care about nothing more than taking care of Bella and making her happy.
** On the rare occasion that she does make her own decisions (as opposed to just reacting to stimuli and letting Edward think for her) it ends in disaster... disaster… from which Edward usually saves her. In fact, generally just going against Edward's will usually doesn't end well for Bella.
19th Mar '17 7:44:44 AM NightShade96
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* As pointed out [[http://applesparkles.wikia.com/wiki/Bella#Why_Bella_is_an_anti-feminist_FAIL here]], Bella rarely thinks before she acts and usually just lets her emotions and selfish impulses guide her actions... and this ultimately leads her to an eternity of happiness with the man of her dreams and a perfect, adoring family, all of whom seem to care about nothing more than taking care of Bella and making her happy. So there you go girls, being rational, mature, and considerate of others is just for ugly chicks who can't get hot, rich boyfriends.

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* As pointed out [[http://applesparkles.wikia.com/wiki/Bella#Why_Bella_is_an_anti-feminist_FAIL here]], Bella rarely thinks before she acts and usually just lets her emotions and selfish impulses guide her actions... and this ultimately leads her to an eternity of happiness with the man of her dreams and a perfect, adoring family, all of whom seem to care about nothing more than taking care of Bella and making her happy. So there you go girls, being rational, mature, and considerate of others is just for ugly chicks who can't get hot, rich boyfriends.
19th Mar '17 7:18:27 AM NightShade96
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%%* Bella rarely thinks before she acts and usually just lets her emotions and selfish impulses guide her actions... and this ultimately leads her to an eternity of happiness with the man of her dreams and a perfect, adoring family, all of whom seem to care about nothing more than taking care of Bella and making her happy. So there you go girls, being rational, mature, and considerate of others is just for ugly chicks who can't get hot, rich boyfriends.
%%** On the rare occasion that she does make her own decisions (as opposed to just reacting to stimuli and letting Edward think for her) it ends in disaster... from which Edward usually saves her. In fact, generally just going against Edward's will usually doesn't end well for Bella.
%%*** Imagine this conversation:
%%--->'''Mom:''' I am not going to let you ride a motorcycle with that boy!\\
'''Daughter:''' But MOM! Bella Swan gets to ride a motorcycle!\\
'''Mom:''' If Bella Swan jumped off a cliff, would you do it?\\
'''Daughter:''' Mom, she ''did''!


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* As pointed out [[http://applesparkles.wikia.com/wiki/Bella#Why_Bella_is_an_anti-feminist_FAIL here]], Bella rarely thinks before she acts and usually just lets her emotions and selfish impulses guide her actions... and this ultimately leads her to an eternity of happiness with the man of her dreams and a perfect, adoring family, all of whom seem to care about nothing more than taking care of Bella and making her happy. So there you go girls, being rational, mature, and considerate of others is just for ugly chicks who can't get hot, rich boyfriends.
** On the rare occasion that she does make her own decisions (as opposed to just reacting to stimuli and letting Edward think for her) it ends in disaster... from which Edward usually saves her. In fact, generally just going against Edward's will usually doesn't end well for Bella.
%%*** Imagine this conversation:
%%--->'''Mom:''' I am not going to let you ride a motorcycle with that boy!\\
'''Daughter:''' But MOM! Bella Swan gets to ride a motorcycle!\\
'''Mom:''' If Bella Swan jumped off a cliff, would you do it?\\
'''Daughter:''' Mom, she ''did''!
19th Mar '17 7:07:00 AM NightShade96
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%%** Most of the other men in the series also do things that could be interpreted in a negative light but usually aren't because they did them in "the heat of rage/passion/jealousy/lust/etc". But any time a woman steps even the slightest bit out of line she is swiftly and harshly reprimanded for it, usually by the men around her. Some of whom exhibited the exact same behavior at some point.

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%%** Most of the other men in the series also do things that could be interpreted in a negative light but usually aren't because they did them in "the heat of rage/passion/jealousy/lust/etc". But any time a woman steps even the slightest bit out of line she is swiftly and harshly reprimanded for it, usually by the men around her. Some her, some of whom exhibited the exact same behavior at some point.



* [[http://applesparkles.wikia.com/wiki/Suicide Suicide]] is treated by virtually every character as the most heroic way to make amends for doing something bad. Bella frequently uses threats of self-harm to guilt Edward into staying with her, which is a shockingly common form of {{gaslighting}}.

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* [[http://applesparkles.wikia.com/wiki/Suicide Suicide]] is treated by virtually every character as the most heroic way to make amends for doing something bad. Bella also frequently uses threats of self-harm to guilt Edward into staying with her, which is a shockingly common form of {{gaslighting}}.


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* Bella is very [[http://applesparkles.wikia.com/wiki/ZOMFG_WUT_DO_U_MEEN_BELLA_IS_SHALLO!!%3F!%3F shallow]], as she rejects Eric and Mike, who are nice to her on her first day, on the grounds that they are not as physically attractive as Edward, who is not nearly as nice, which seems to imply that a relationship should be based on purely physical characteristics rather than actually knowing the other person.
19th Mar '17 6:46:48 AM NightShade96
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-->'''Robin Browne''' (often [[BeamMeUpScotty misattrubited]] to Creator/StephenKing)

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-->'''Robin Browne''' (often [[BeamMeUpScotty misattrubited]] misattributed]] to Creator/StephenKing)
6th Mar '17 4:17:15 PM nombretomado
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** Due to his hair, Jasper has picked up the FanNickname "[[TheMarxBrothers Harpo]]"; Podcast/RiffTrax in particular calls him that.

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** Due to his hair, Jasper has picked up the FanNickname "[[TheMarxBrothers "[[Creator/TheMarxBrothers Harpo]]"; Podcast/RiffTrax in particular calls him that.
4th Mar '17 9:59:54 AM annette12
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** Renesmee is probably hated by fans and haters more than Bella, Edward, or Jacob combined!

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** Renesmee is probably hated by both fans and haters more than Bella, Edward, or Jacob combined!haters.
27th Feb '17 7:02:58 PM nombretomado
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** There have even been people on Deviantart and LiveJournal who post "edited" plots that actually ''aren't'' hate-oriented. A memorable one suggested that there should have been hints of James' coven's existence earlier and that Bella should have thought Edward was the reason for those hints, making her wonder about the relationship instead of just diving right in without complications. Another pointed out that the books are a good example of when romance should really be a subplot.

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** There have even been people on Deviantart and LiveJournal Website/LiveJournal who post "edited" plots that actually ''aren't'' hate-oriented. A memorable one suggested that there should have been hints of James' coven's existence earlier and that Bella should have thought Edward was the reason for those hints, making her wonder about the relationship instead of just diving right in without complications. Another pointed out that the books are a good example of when romance should really be a subplot.
26th Feb '17 4:19:25 AM Morgenthaler
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** Even vampires being mineral-based isn't a new idea, as TimPowers used it in ''Literature/TheStressOfHerRegard''.

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** Even vampires being mineral-based isn't a new idea, as TimPowers Creator/TimPowers used it in ''Literature/TheStressOfHerRegard''.
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