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3rd Feb '18 10:39:52 AM smasll_lordvoice
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%%** According to WordOfGod, the reason Sam attacked Emily was because he could sense she did have feelings for him. In other words "her lips said 'no', but her body said 'yes'."
%%** Bella also admits to loving Jacob after he emotionally blackmailed her to kiss her and is not even mad he was lying.
%%* Leah is the only female werewolf ever, can keep up with the menfolk, and lost her ability to have children after she began to transform. She also lost the man she truly loved and was considered a shrewish harpy by virtually everyone.
%%* Jacob and his father are pleased when Paul the pack's {{Jerkass}} imprints on Jacob's older sister Rachel visiting from college, who is such a "nerd" she's finishing her four year degree in half the time, because this means Rachel will [[StayInTheKitchen have to stay at home]].
%%* In Creator/StephenieMeyer's novella ''The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner'', Diego--a vampire who seems to be a combination of stereotypical black and stereotypical Hispanic, based on his description ("pretty, with dark, dense, curly hair, big, wide eyes, and really full lips"), his talk about "junkie hos" and "gang-bangs", and his random bursts of Spanish--tells the title character about hunting down the gang that killed his brother, killing the leader, and then getting cornered by the rest of the gang. Does the streetwise Diego get himself out of this? No. He's rescued by Riley, a vampire (and therefore, in Meyer's world, [[MightyWhitey pale and prismatic]]), who jumps down between Diego and the gang.
%%* Edward witholding sex until they get married is fine, it's his beliefs... the problem is that those beliefs don't correlate with Bella's, and she accepts it to stay with him. And despite not wanting to be a mother, she later comes to admit that marriage and motherhood were all she ever needed. So the right man means discarding your own belief systems and deciding motherhood is the best thing for you after getting pregnant by accident? While the Mormon agenda of the book was never subtle, the implications of the above are downright horrifying - it portrays accidental pregnancy as something that results in happy families and not resentment, and you should respect your partner for taking away your autonomy and accept it.

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%%** ** According to WordOfGod, the reason Sam attacked Emily was because he could sense she did have feelings for him. In other words "her lips said 'no', but her body said 'yes'."
%%** ** Bella also admits to loving Jacob after he emotionally blackmailed her to kiss her and is not even mad he was lying.
%%* * Leah is the only female werewolf ever, can keep up with the menfolk, and lost her ability to have children after she began to transform. She also lost the man she truly loved and was considered a shrewish harpy by virtually everyone.
%%* * Jacob and his father are pleased when Paul the pack's {{Jerkass}} imprints on Jacob's older sister Rachel visiting from college, who is such a "nerd" she's finishing her four year degree in half the time, because this means Rachel will [[StayInTheKitchen have to stay at home]].
%%* * In Creator/StephenieMeyer's novella ''The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner'', Diego--a vampire who seems to be a combination of stereotypical black and stereotypical Hispanic, based on his description ("pretty, with dark, dense, curly hair, big, wide eyes, and really full lips"), his talk about "junkie hos" and "gang-bangs", and his random bursts of Spanish--tells the title character about hunting down the gang that killed his brother, killing the leader, and then getting cornered by the rest of the gang. Does the streetwise Diego get himself out of this? No. He's rescued by Riley, a vampire (and therefore, in Meyer's world, [[MightyWhitey pale and prismatic]]), who jumps down between Diego and the gang.
%%* * Edward witholding sex until they get married is fine, it's his beliefs... the problem is that those beliefs don't correlate with Bella's, and she accepts it to stay with him. And despite not wanting to be a mother, she later comes to admit that marriage and motherhood were all she ever needed. So the right man means discarding your own belief systems and deciding motherhood is the best thing for you after getting pregnant by accident? While the Mormon agenda of the book was never subtle, the implications of the above are downright horrifying - it portrays accidental pregnancy as something that results in happy families and not resentment, and you should respect your partner for taking away your autonomy and accept it.



%%* There have been more than one instances where dozens of other people would die as a consequence of Bella's actions. This is either ignored or even outright condoned by Bella and the other main characters, including Jacob, who is supposed to be the True Alpha and has the specific job of protecting humans from the vampires, but willingly chooses not to in order to not put his [[WifeHusbandry future child-bride]] at risk.
%%** In fact the over arching message of the story seems to be that if you're in ''true love'', then the laws of morality and basic human decency don't apply to you.
%%* Throughout the books, the characters act as if being capable of doing something means that it's alright for them to do it. For example, Bree initially finds the idea of vampires having laws to be laughable, as she can't imagine there being any power sufficient to enforce them. Inversely, attempts to restrict such behavior is seen as oppressive. For example, the idea of asking non-vegetarian vampires to not eat people is treated like infringing on a lifestyle choice, and while the Volturi are treated as dictators, the ''Illustrated Guide'' implies that the Romanians (who had an even bloodier reign than the Volturi) are to be seen as fallen heroes awaiting the downfall of their rivals. The main difference is that the Volturi order the vampires to not behave in ways that will draw human attention.
%%** Also several times throughout the books, characters acknowledge that what they're doing is wrong... and still do it anyways. So as long as you know it's wrong, it's okay to do it. The above-mentioned Romanian vampires think themselves superior to the Volturi because they at least were honest about their intentions, even if their intentions were much more bloody and tyrannical than the Volturi's.
%%* One review notes a great many in the chapter of ''Eclipse'' where Jacob tricks Bella into kissing him. Among them is the fact that even though the entire thing is meant to be romantic, most of the tropes invoked (AintTooProudToBeg, PleaseIWillDoAnything, and ScarpiaUltimatum) are usually seen employed between a villain and their victim.

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%%* * There have been more than one instances where dozens of other people would die as a consequence of Bella's actions. This is either ignored or even outright condoned by Bella and the other main characters, including Jacob, who is supposed to be the True Alpha and has the specific job of protecting humans from the vampires, but willingly chooses not to in order to not put his [[WifeHusbandry future child-bride]] at risk.
%%** ** In fact the over arching message of the story seems to be that if you're in ''true love'', then the laws of morality and basic human decency don't apply to you.
%%* * Throughout the books, the characters act as if being capable of doing something means that it's alright for them to do it. For example, Bree initially finds the idea of vampires having laws to be laughable, as she can't imagine there being any power sufficient to enforce them. Inversely, attempts to restrict such behavior is seen as oppressive. For example, the idea of asking non-vegetarian vampires to not eat people is treated like infringing on a lifestyle choice, and while the Volturi are treated as dictators, the ''Illustrated Guide'' implies that the Romanians (who had an even bloodier reign than the Volturi) are to be seen as fallen heroes awaiting the downfall of their rivals. The main difference is that the Volturi order the vampires to not behave in ways that will draw human attention.
%%** ** Also several times throughout the books, characters acknowledge that what they're doing is wrong... and still do it anyways. So as long as you know it's wrong, it's okay to do it. The above-mentioned Romanian vampires think themselves superior to the Volturi because they at least were honest about their intentions, even if their intentions were much more bloody and tyrannical than the Volturi's.
%%* * One review notes a great many in the chapter of ''Eclipse'' where Jacob tricks Bella into kissing him. Among them is the fact that even though the entire thing is meant to be romantic, most of the tropes invoked (AintTooProudToBeg, PleaseIWillDoAnything, and ScarpiaUltimatum) are usually seen employed between a villain and their victim.



%%** It's also the only good option left if your true love dies. Compare Edward and Victoria: Edward said outright that if Bella were to die he'd commit suicide (and came close to doing it in New Moon). When Victoria's true love James died, she swore revenge. Keep in mind that Edward is the hero while Victoria is the villain.
%%*** In fact, many couples expressed that they would kill themselves if their True Love were to perish before them. This is treated as being extremely romantic and almost leaves the sense that, if a person were to get over the death of their loved one and move on instead of killing themselves, their love isn't as strong as someone who ''did'' actually end their own life.

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%%** ** It's also the only good option left if your true love dies. Compare Edward and Victoria: Edward said outright that if Bella were to die he'd commit suicide (and came close to doing it in New Moon). When Victoria's true love James died, she swore revenge. Keep in mind that Edward is the hero while Victoria is the villain.
%%*** *** In fact, many couples expressed that they would kill themselves if their True Love were to perish before them. This is treated as being extremely romantic and almost leaves the sense that, if a person were to get over the death of their loved one and move on instead of killing themselves, their love isn't as strong as someone who ''did'' actually end their own life.



%%** Keep in mind that these visions are of Edward ''telling her she is being stupid for doing those dangerous things.'' That's right: she deliberately goes into dangerous situations so that she can hear Edward's voice in her head, and that voice tells her ''not to do that very thing''.
%%* The unfortunate implications are at least equally portrayed with Edward. He left his family (that loved him and were his only company for decades) to go live in a rat infested place, curl into a ball, and let misery take over right after the break up and then went all suicidal over the possibility of Bella dying, so he was also nothing without his ''girlfriend''.
%%* Jacob sexually assaults Bella in the third book, and she responds by punching him with such force that her hand breaks. This entire scene is treated like a romantic comedy, with Jacob showing absolutely no remorse and even ''laughing'' at Bella for being angry. After he takes her home, her father asks what happened. Jacob says that he tried to kiss Bella and she punched him. Charlie's response to finding out that his daughter has just been molested and injured when resisting said molestation? He laughs and says, "Good for you, kid." (Thankfully in the film version Charlie clearly doesn't approve.) Not to mention later in the book when Jacob threatened to ''kill himself if Bella did not kiss him.'' Again, portrayed as an incredibly romantic gesture that makes Bella realize she's in love with him.
%%** (after Bella starts to fight back and Jacob doesn't stop) "Acting on instinct, I let my hands drop to my side, and shut down. I opened my eyes and didn't fight, didn't feel... Just waited for him to stop." This reads like the start of a rape, but it's portrayed as romantic, erotic and something women should look for: a man that won't take no for an answer. Not to mention the heavy amount of victim blaming and "justification" that follows: "He grinned over at me. “You kissed me back.”" which translates to "you didn't say 'no'", except she never said yes and when she tried to say no Jacob cut her off with sexual assault/abuse.
%%* The Quileutes are a real tribe. Did Meyer bother to talk to them first before she turned them into fantasy werewolves or did she just think it was okay to mess with the mythology and culture of an historically oppressed group of people?
%%* Rosalie's back story includes being both the most insanely spoiled human being on earth and also being the victim of gang rape at the hands of her fiance and his drunken friends. She doesn't really seem to mind the whole "rape" thing once she kills them all and kind of brushes it off in exchange for wanting more things. The rape thing was more or less an excuse for Carlisle to turn her. The fact that Rosalie blames the rape on her own beauty and neither Bella nor Stephanie Meyer offer any argument is... disturbing.
%%** Also, the whole reason Carlisle picked Rosalie of the street within a couple hours of her rape is because letting someone that beautiful die would be a "waste" ''and'' he hoped Edward would be attracted to her. Edward proceeds to whine about Carlisle turning her, and in Rosalie's own words, talking like [[DefiledForever there was something wrong with her]].
%%* Bella gets embarrassed when Charlie, her father, comes into her room to check on her when he hears strange noises... which is Edward sneaking into her room. Which Bella has no problems with.

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%%** ** Keep in mind that these visions are of Edward ''telling her she is being stupid for doing those dangerous things.'' That's right: she deliberately goes into dangerous situations so that she can hear Edward's voice in her head, and that voice tells her ''not to do that very thing''.
%%* * The unfortunate implications are at least equally portrayed with Edward. He left his family (that loved him and were his only company for decades) to go live in a rat infested place, curl into a ball, and let misery take over right after the break up and then went all suicidal over the possibility of Bella dying, so he was also nothing without his ''girlfriend''.
%%* * Jacob sexually assaults Bella in the third book, and she responds by punching him with such force that her hand breaks. This entire scene is treated like a romantic comedy, with Jacob showing absolutely no remorse and even ''laughing'' at Bella for being angry. After he takes her home, her father asks what happened. Jacob says that he tried to kiss Bella and she punched him. Charlie's response to finding out that his daughter has just been molested and injured when resisting said molestation? He laughs and says, "Good for you, kid." (Thankfully in the film version Charlie clearly doesn't approve.) Not to mention later in the book when Jacob threatened to ''kill himself if Bella did not kiss him.'' Again, portrayed as an incredibly romantic gesture that makes Bella realize she's in love with him.
%%** ** (after Bella starts to fight back and Jacob doesn't stop) "Acting on instinct, I let my hands drop to my side, and shut down. I opened my eyes and didn't fight, didn't feel... Just waited for him to stop." This reads like the start of a rape, but it's portrayed as romantic, erotic and something women should look for: a man that won't take no for an answer. Not to mention the heavy amount of victim blaming and "justification" that follows: "He grinned over at me. “You kissed me back.”" which translates to "you didn't say 'no'", except she never said yes and when she tried to say no Jacob cut her off with sexual assault/abuse.
%%* * The Quileutes are a real tribe. Did Meyer bother to talk to them first before she turned them into fantasy werewolves or did she just think it was okay to mess with the mythology and culture of an historically oppressed group of people?
%%* * Rosalie's back story includes being both the most insanely spoiled human being on earth and also being the victim of gang rape at the hands of her fiance and his drunken friends. She doesn't really seem to mind the whole "rape" thing once she kills them all and kind of brushes it off in exchange for wanting more things. The rape thing was more or less an excuse for Carlisle to turn her. The fact that Rosalie blames the rape on her own beauty and neither Bella nor Stephanie Meyer offer any argument is... disturbing.
%%** ** Also, the whole reason Carlisle picked Rosalie of the street within a couple hours of her rape is because letting someone that beautiful die would be a "waste" ''and'' he hoped Edward would be attracted to her. Edward proceeds to whine about Carlisle turning her, and in Rosalie's own words, talking like [[DefiledForever there was something wrong with her]].
%%* * Bella gets embarrassed when Charlie, her father, comes into her room to check on her when he hears strange noises... which is Edward sneaking into her room. Which Bella has no problems with.
3rd Feb '18 10:38:06 AM smasll_lordvoice
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%%** Bella herself also judges women far more harshly than men, attributing most reprehensible male behavior as something that must go along with having a Y chromosome and shrugging it off, but developing an instant dislike of any girl who displays any flaws or weaknesses no matter how minor. She is extremely judgmental of other women but seems to be boundlessly forgiving of men.
%%** All the worse in taking the PMS stereotype into account. This is a (thankfully dying) assumption, mostly by men, that any emotion a woman expresses is the result of PMS, an UnfortunateImplication in it's own right. A lot of women have little to no control over the emotional aspect of PMS. So it comes off that woman are to blame for things they can't help, and men are to be excused from completely purposeful behavior.
%%* If you feel that you're superior to everyone else, it's because you are!
%%* You know that instant attraction that you feel for that guy you don't even know that's based in nothing other than physical appearance? Well, that's true love, and you should be willing to sacrifice anything and anyone that you have to in order to be with that guy you don't even know because he is your destiny and if he acts like a possessive nut job, controls your entire life, treats you like a helpless child, frequently says things to you that basically amount to physical threats and even "accidentally" does you real bodily harm on more than one occasion, you had just better steadfastly endure it all or you're not worthy of true love.
%%** Oh, and when even he himself warns you to stay away because he WILL hurt you, don't listen. That's just a test... a ''true love'' test.
%%** Of course, all of this only applies if he's hot.
%%*** That's right! Even though all the girls in school have a shallow physical attraction to that particular guy, YOUR shallow physical attraction is special!
%%* A running theme in the series seems to be that being physically attractive makes up for being a bad person or automatically makes you a good person regardless of your actions; in short, BeautyEqualsGoodness.
%%* A lot of things that the Cullens (TheBeautifulElite) do are [[MoralMyopia considered horrible when anyone else does them.]]
%%* The only thing keeping Bella from realizing that Edward is controlling and possessive to an unhealthy extreme seems to be the fact that every time she sees him she is struck anew by how "OMG GORGEOUS!!!" he is; no matter what kind of situation they're in Bella spends at least some small portion of every scene in which they are together reminding the audience of how mindbogglingly physically perfect he is. [[DistractedByTheSexy Bella's distracted and disarmed by his physical attractiveness]] even when he's done something that she admittedly does not approve of. It's not even as if she forgives his flaws or has rationalized them in her own mind, it's more like she's just so distracted by how pretty he is that she can't be bothered to notice anything else about him for more then a few seconds and then it's back to drooling over his perfect hair, skin, eyes, teeth, voice, breath, etc. One can't help but wonder how differently she would have felt about him had he been ugly or even just average looking.
%%* If you fail to win the love of a man you're doomed to a life of solitary misery and will never know true happiness.
%%** Most of the single characters in the story are miserable and stricken with jealousy towards Edward and Bella.
%%* There's also heavy implications that any woman who isn't in a relationship will be bitter and jealous towards women who are, and that these feelings can only be pacified by the bitter woman in question finding a "true love" of her own. Meyer seems to think it's just a given that all women are jealous, self-centered bitches.
%%** Could be projection, or generalising from one example.
%%* Not to mention that good women are never angry or blame a guy. Leah is considered a bitch for daring to blame ''Sam'' for the break-up, and everyone assumes she holds a grudge against Emily, even though there's no evidence of that.
%%** Alternatively, Emily is praised for forgiving Sam and making HIM feel better about the whole "slashing her face off" bit. The fact the focus is given to how bad Sam felt about the incident and how good it was Emily forgave him and aleved that guilt as opposed to how Emily had to have felt about the whole thing says a lot about the situation.
%%* If you can't (or don't) have a baby, you are of less value as a human being than people who can.
%%** The main reason the whole Cullen family winds up loving Bella so much and basically building their lives around her is because she has the glorious gift of being able to make babies.
%%** Not to mention Leah, who is incapable of having children, has a fiance who leaves her for her cousin (who presumably can) and this is never depicted as a bad thing. In fact no one, even her own family, seems to feel the least bit sorry for Leah, she is seen as a bitch for daring to be angry at her fiance for leaving her and everyone in the pack hates her despite the fact that she's never really done anything wrong. She even devotes her life to protecting them despite their disdain for her, and this is written in such a way as to suggest that they're all justified in disliking her and the reader should dislike her too.
%%*** Oh, and Jacob believes that her being infertile is a sign she's "Not as female as she should be". I'll let that one sink in for a little bit, shall I?
%%* It seems like every time a woman is either independent or capable of keeping up and holding her own alongside the men she winds up either being evil or being a complete bitch. The implication seems to be that only a crazy bitch who is incapable of "true love" would even want to be self-sufficient or that a woman should only bother becoming self-sufficient if she is incapable of winning the love of a man (which in the stories is depicted as the ultimate shortcoming.)
%%** Especially evident when Jacob got hurt in Eclipse. Leah was being stupid for taking on a newborn vampire on her own--despite her little brother just doing the same successfully, and it's her fault that Jacob had to save her, despite her not being in any direct danger as such. Except she was untouched by the vampire, has killed vampires one on one before, and is faster than Jacob, who got hurt because he was too slow. But instead of blaming Jacob for butting in on Leah's fight and getting himself hurt, it's obviously Leah's fault, because how dare she fight a vampire without her male peers' approval. No, poor Jacob who shoved Leah out of the way is innocent!
%%** This is averted somewhat by the Denali and Amazon sisters, but the Amazons are described as barbaric from the start. Conveniently, their clan is all women. In the case of the Denali sisters, the three original sisters were the founders of the succubus myth, but Irina is paired off with Laurent (who eventually dies, presumably throwing Irina into the same dangerous state Bella was in when Edward left her), and later, Kate is paired with Garrett. By the end of ''Breaking Dawn'', Tanya is the only member of the Denali coven who doesn't have a mate, and considering the fact that Tanya had the gall to try to seduce our CelibateHero Edward and a woman without a mate is somehow being punished in this universe, it's likely that Tanya is only alone as subconscious retribution for her past "whoredom."
%%* Werewolf "imprinting" is introduced as not ''necessarily'' sexual... but when Quil imprints on little girl Claire, becoming a super-duper father figure, it's implied that [[WifeHusbandry they will have disturbing lycanthropic sex when she's of age]]. Won't ''that'' be an awkward conversation.
%%-->"You never saw a real parent so jazzed to play whatever stupid kiddie sport their rugrat could think up. I'd seen Quil play peekaboo for an hour straight without getting bored. [...] Though I did think it sucked that he had a good fourteen years of monk-i-tude ahead of him until Claire was his age."
%%** Quil's hormones force him to spoil Claire rotten by catering to her slightest whim. He's literally incapable of even thinking about disregarding her wishes. This is presented as not only healthy, but ''desirable.''
%%** And then there's Jacob's [[spoiler:imprinting on Renesmee in ''Breaking Dawn''. Yes, everyone insists that he doesn't see her "like that", but it's kind of hard to believe when Bella specifically notes that he's ''shaking'' at the thought of only seven years passing before Renesmee is physically seventeen...]]
%%** To the point where the director for the Breaking Dawn movies is specifically coaching Taylor on how not to make the scenes creepy in any way whatsoever. He said he's trying to make it as spiritual and non-physical as possible.

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%%** ** Bella herself also judges women far more harshly than men, attributing most reprehensible male behavior as something that must go along with having a Y chromosome and shrugging it off, but developing an instant dislike of any girl who displays any flaws or weaknesses no matter how minor. She is extremely judgmental of other women but seems to be boundlessly forgiving of men.
%%** ** All the worse in taking the PMS stereotype into account. This is a (thankfully dying) assumption, mostly by men, that any emotion a woman expresses is the result of PMS, an UnfortunateImplication in it's own right. A lot of women have little to no control over the emotional aspect of PMS. So it comes off that woman are to blame for things they can't help, and men are to be excused from completely purposeful behavior.
%%* %* If you feel that you're superior to everyone else, it's because you are!
%%* * You know that instant attraction that you feel for that guy you don't even know that's based in nothing other than physical appearance? Well, that's true love, and you should be willing to sacrifice anything and anyone that you have to in order to be with that guy you don't even know because he is your destiny and if he acts like a possessive nut job, controls your entire life, treats you like a helpless child, frequently says things to you that basically amount to physical threats and even "accidentally" does you real bodily harm on more than one occasion, you had just better steadfastly endure it all or you're not worthy of true love.
%%** ** Oh, and when even he himself warns you to stay away because he WILL hurt you, don't listen. That's just a test... a ''true love'' test.
%%** ** Of course, all of this only applies if he's hot.
%%*** *** That's right! Even though all the girls in school have a shallow physical attraction to that particular guy, YOUR shallow physical attraction is special!
%%* * A running theme in the series seems to be that being physically attractive makes up for being a bad person or automatically makes you a good person regardless of your actions; in short, BeautyEqualsGoodness.
%%* * A lot of things that the Cullens (TheBeautifulElite) do are [[MoralMyopia considered horrible when anyone else does them.]]
%%* * The only thing keeping Bella from realizing that Edward is controlling and possessive to an unhealthy extreme seems to be the fact that every time she sees him she is struck anew by how "OMG GORGEOUS!!!" he is; no matter what kind of situation they're in Bella spends at least some small portion of every scene in which they are together reminding the audience of how mindbogglingly physically perfect he is. [[DistractedByTheSexy Bella's distracted and disarmed by his physical attractiveness]] even when he's done something that she admittedly does not approve of. It's not even as if she forgives his flaws or has rationalized them in her own mind, it's more like she's just so distracted by how pretty he is that she can't be bothered to notice anything else about him for more then a few seconds and then it's back to drooling over his perfect hair, skin, eyes, teeth, voice, breath, etc. One can't help but wonder how differently she would have felt about him had he been ugly or even just average looking.
%%* * If you fail to win the love of a man you're doomed to a life of solitary misery and will never know true happiness.
%%** ** Most of the single characters in the story are miserable and stricken with jealousy towards Edward and Bella.
%%* * There's also heavy implications that any woman who isn't in a relationship will be bitter and jealous towards women who are, and that these feelings can only be pacified by the bitter woman in question finding a "true love" of her own. Meyer seems to think it's just a given that all women are jealous, self-centered bitches.
%%** ** Could be projection, or generalising from one example.
%%* * Not to mention that good women are never angry or blame a guy. Leah is considered a bitch for daring to blame ''Sam'' for the break-up, and everyone assumes she holds a grudge against Emily, even though there's no evidence of that.
%%** ** Alternatively, Emily is praised for forgiving Sam and making HIM feel better about the whole "slashing her face off" bit. The fact the focus is given to how bad Sam felt about the incident and how good it was Emily forgave him and aleved that guilt as opposed to how Emily had to have felt about the whole thing says a lot about the situation.
%%* * If you can't (or don't) have a baby, you are of less value as a human being than people who can.
%%** ** The main reason the whole Cullen family winds up loving Bella so much and basically building their lives around her is because she has the glorious gift of being able to make babies.
%%** ** Not to mention Leah, who is incapable of having children, has a fiance who leaves her for her cousin (who presumably can) and this is never depicted as a bad thing. In fact no one, even her own family, seems to feel the least bit sorry for Leah, she is seen as a bitch for daring to be angry at her fiance for leaving her and everyone in the pack hates her despite the fact that she's never really done anything wrong. She even devotes her life to protecting them despite their disdain for her, and this is written in such a way as to suggest that they're all justified in disliking her and the reader should dislike her too.
%%*** *** Oh, and Jacob believes that her being infertile is a sign she's "Not as female as she should be". I'll let that one sink in for a little bit, shall I?
%%* * It seems like every time a woman is either independent or capable of keeping up and holding her own alongside the men she winds up either being evil or being a complete bitch. The implication seems to be that only a crazy bitch who is incapable of "true love" would even want to be self-sufficient or that a woman should only bother becoming self-sufficient if she is incapable of winning the love of a man (which in the stories is depicted as the ultimate shortcoming.)
%%** ** Especially evident when Jacob got hurt in Eclipse. Leah was being stupid for taking on a newborn vampire on her own--despite her little brother just doing the same successfully, and it's her fault that Jacob had to save her, despite her not being in any direct danger as such. Except she was untouched by the vampire, has killed vampires one on one before, and is faster than Jacob, who got hurt because he was too slow. But instead of blaming Jacob for butting in on Leah's fight and getting himself hurt, it's obviously Leah's fault, because how dare she fight a vampire without her male peers' approval. No, poor Jacob who shoved Leah out of the way is innocent!
%%** ** This is averted somewhat by the Denali and Amazon sisters, but the Amazons are described as barbaric from the start. Conveniently, their clan is all women. In the case of the Denali sisters, the three original sisters were the founders of the succubus myth, but Irina is paired off with Laurent (who eventually dies, presumably throwing Irina into the same dangerous state Bella was in when Edward left her), and later, Kate is paired with Garrett. By the end of ''Breaking Dawn'', Tanya is the only member of the Denali coven who doesn't have a mate, and considering the fact that Tanya had the gall to try to seduce our CelibateHero Edward and a woman without a mate is somehow being punished in this universe, it's likely that Tanya is only alone as subconscious retribution for her past "whoredom."
%%* * Werewolf "imprinting" is introduced as not ''necessarily'' sexual... but when Quil imprints on little girl Claire, becoming a super-duper father figure, it's implied that [[WifeHusbandry they will have disturbing lycanthropic sex when she's of age]]. Won't ''that'' be an awkward conversation.
%%-->"You -->"You never saw a real parent so jazzed to play whatever stupid kiddie sport their rugrat could think up. I'd seen Quil play peekaboo for an hour straight without getting bored. [...] Though I did think it sucked that he had a good fourteen years of monk-i-tude ahead of him until Claire was his age."
%%** ** Quil's hormones force him to spoil Claire rotten by catering to her slightest whim. He's literally incapable of even thinking about disregarding her wishes. This is presented as not only healthy, but ''desirable.''
%%** ** And then there's Jacob's [[spoiler:imprinting on Renesmee in ''Breaking Dawn''. Yes, everyone insists that he doesn't see her "like that", but it's kind of hard to believe when Bella specifically notes that he's ''shaking'' at the thought of only seven years passing before Renesmee is physically seventeen...]]
%%** ** To the point where the director for the Breaking Dawn movies is specifically coaching Taylor on how not to make the scenes creepy in any way whatsoever. He said he's trying to make it as spiritual and non-physical as possible.



%%* Emily and Sam's relationship -- She agrees to date him after he (accidentally) hurts her enough to leave scars. There is also no mention of Emily doing anything besides cooking, cleaning, weaving, or other household tasks.
%%** It gets even more disturbing when it's revealed that Sam had imprinted on her and was basically harassing her to go out with him, which she kept refusing because he had broken up with her cousin and had really hurt her. When Emily finally tells Sam off, he goes ''nuts'' and transforms right in front of her, accidentally scarring and disfiguring her face. When she's recovering, she "suddenly realizes" that Sam is her one true love and she can't live without him.

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%%* * Emily and Sam's relationship -- She agrees to date him after he (accidentally) hurts her enough to leave scars. There is also no mention of Emily doing anything besides cooking, cleaning, weaving, or other household tasks.
%%** ** It gets even more disturbing when it's revealed that Sam had imprinted on her and was basically harassing her to go out with him, which she kept refusing because he had broken up with her cousin and had really hurt her. When Emily finally tells Sam off, he goes ''nuts'' and transforms right in front of her, accidentally scarring and disfiguring her face. When she's recovering, she "suddenly realizes" that Sam is her one true love and she can't live without him.
3rd Feb '18 10:35:31 AM smasll_lordvoice
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%%* The point of the story seems to be that if you love a guy you should do whatever you have to to be with him... no matter how hard HE makes it for you to stay with him.
%%** Throughout most of the story the biggest obstacle to Edward and Bella being together is Edward himself; Edward's family instantly loves Bella and goes out of their way to be supportive of the relationship, Bella's dad fluctuates between approving and disapproving but even when he disapproves does little more than grumble under his breath about it. There are very few actual obstacles in the way of the relationship and most of them are ones that Edward creates by being needlessly angsty and melodramatic. All of Edward's fears about how being with him could be bad for Bella are eventually proven groundless and even before they are none of the other vampires seem to share them (which makes me wonder how he developed those fears in the first place) and whenever he actually leaves Bella it's always entirely of his own volition and for reasons that are entirely his own.
%%** The lesson is also that your love is more important that anything anyone else has going. Vampires and werewolves going to war? People being killed and maimed? Entire family being uprooted because of the risk of being exposed? Your love is more important that all of that. It's the perfect message to send to hormonal teens.
%%* Whenever Bella does anything that Edward earlier told her not to do, it almost always gets her into trouble, which Edward then shows up and saves her from... and then he tells her what a silly little girl she is, reminds her of how weak, helpless and fragile she is and reiterates to her the importance of doing as he says and letting him take care of her. What a positive role-model for impressionable teenage girls!
%%** This all wouldn't have been as bad, if it weren't for the fact that the story seems to support what Edward says, implying every time that Bella objects to anything he says or does that she is just too naïve and foolish to realize how right he is.
%%** And even the idea of letting a man take care of things and listening to him wouldn't be bad, except that ''New Moon'' seems to be saying that a woman NEEDS a man and should come to a complete catatonic wreck without purpose to her life without him. Nothing in Bella's life seems to mean anything once Edward leaves.
%%** It does fit the logic of the plot (what logic it has). He's a telepath over 100 years old. She's a high school teenager. He has a century of experience living in the masquerade she's brand new to. So he's going to understand a lot of things she doesn't and the wisdom of age is something that's often difficult to relate to the young (you have to live it). What this really shows is why it's a bad idea for two people this far apart in age to be together.
%%** Not to mention their different species. It would be understandable, even if insulting, from him to think of her as a pet.

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%%* * The point of the story seems to be that if you love a guy you should do whatever you have to to be with him... no matter how hard HE makes it for you to stay with him.
%%** ** Throughout most of the story the biggest obstacle to Edward and Bella being together is Edward himself; Edward's family instantly loves Bella and goes out of their way to be supportive of the relationship, Bella's dad fluctuates between approving and disapproving but even when he disapproves does little more than grumble under his breath about it. There are very few actual obstacles in the way of the relationship and most of them are ones that Edward creates by being needlessly angsty and melodramatic. All of Edward's fears about how being with him could be bad for Bella are eventually proven groundless and even before they are none of the other vampires seem to share them (which makes me wonder how he developed those fears in the first place) and whenever he actually leaves Bella it's always entirely of his own volition and for reasons that are entirely his own.
%%** ** The lesson is also that your love is more important that anything anyone else has going. Vampires and werewolves going to war? People being killed and maimed? Entire family being uprooted because of the risk of being exposed? Your love is more important that all of that. It's the perfect message to send to hormonal teens.
%%* * Whenever Bella does anything that Edward earlier told her not to do, it almost always gets her into trouble, which Edward then shows up and saves her from... and then he tells her what a silly little girl she is, reminds her of how weak, helpless and fragile she is and reiterates to her the importance of doing as he says and letting him take care of her. What a positive role-model for impressionable teenage girls!
%%** ** This all wouldn't have been as bad, if it weren't for the fact that the story seems to support what Edward says, implying every time that Bella objects to anything he says or does that she is just too naïve and foolish to realize how right he is.
%%** ** And even the idea of letting a man take care of things and listening to him wouldn't be bad, except that ''New Moon'' seems to be saying that a woman NEEDS a man and should come to a complete catatonic wreck without purpose to her life without him. Nothing in Bella's life seems to mean anything once Edward leaves.
%%** ** It does fit the logic of the plot (what logic it has). He's a telepath over 100 years old. She's a high school teenager. He has a century of experience living in the masquerade she's brand new to. So he's going to understand a lot of things she doesn't and the wisdom of age is something that's often difficult to relate to the young (you have to live it). What this really shows is why it's a bad idea for two people this far apart in age to be together.
%%** ** Not to mention their different species. It would be understandable, even if insulting, from him to think of her as a pet.



%%* If, upon the discovering that you are pregnant, your boyfriend's first reaction is to get angry and tell you that you ARE getting an abortion, you should not only stay with him but go ahead and have the baby, because after it's born everything will just magically fall into place and the three of you will live happily ever after because BabiesMakeEverythingBetter.
%%* Jacob tries to force himself on Bella. It's just a kiss (to keep things PG-13) but Bella actually refers to it as "assault" and reacts to it as so. And yet she still allows Jacob to MARRY HER DAUGHTER.
%%** The fact that Jacob's justification for one of his fellow werewolves having permanently scarred his girlfriend's face in a fit of rage after she rejected him is simply "hanging out with werewolves has its risks" also makes Bella's judgment seem questionable.
%%** Also, at one point, Bella refers to the incident as "her shame" despite the fact that it was ''Jacob'' who forced himself on her, which sends a message of victim-blaming that is downright uncomfortable to read.
%%* If you truly care about someone you'll stick by them no matter what and forgive everything they do. Even murder.
%%* Men should not be held accountable for things that they do when they are very angry or otherwise emotionally overwhelmed, but women should.
%%** Both Edward and Jacob "unintentionally" hurt Bella (or at least come close to it), say things to her that basically amount to threats, and do various other questionable things throughout the series, but this is usually excused away by the fact that they're men and, therefore, not as in control of their emotions as women.
%%** Most of the other men in the series also do things that could be interpreted in a negative light but usually aren't because they did them in "the heat of rage/passion/jealousy/lust/etc". But any time a woman steps even the slightest bit out of line she is swiftly and harshly reprimanded for it, usually by the men around her, some of whom exhibited the exact same behavior at some point.

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%%* * If, upon the discovering that you are pregnant, your boyfriend's first reaction is to get angry and tell you that you ARE getting an abortion, you should not only stay with him but go ahead and have the baby, because after it's born everything will just magically fall into place and the three of you will live happily ever after because BabiesMakeEverythingBetter.
%%* * Jacob tries to force himself on Bella. It's just a kiss (to keep things PG-13) but Bella actually refers to it as "assault" and reacts to it as so. And yet she still allows Jacob to MARRY HER DAUGHTER.
%%** ** The fact that Jacob's justification for one of his fellow werewolves having permanently scarred his girlfriend's face in a fit of rage after she rejected him is simply "hanging out with werewolves has its risks" also makes Bella's judgment seem questionable.
%%** ** Also, at one point, Bella refers to the incident as "her shame" despite the fact that it was ''Jacob'' who forced himself on her, which sends a message of victim-blaming that is downright uncomfortable to read.
%%* * If you truly care about someone you'll stick by them no matter what and forgive everything they do. Even murder.
%%* * Men should not be held accountable for things that they do when they are very angry or otherwise emotionally overwhelmed, but women should.
%%** ** Both Edward and Jacob "unintentionally" hurt Bella (or at least come close to it), say things to her that basically amount to threats, and do various other questionable things throughout the series, but this is usually excused away by the fact that they're men and, therefore, not as in control of their emotions as women.
%%** ** Most of the other men in the series also do things that could be interpreted in a negative light but usually aren't because they did them in "the heat of rage/passion/jealousy/lust/etc". But any time a woman steps even the slightest bit out of line she is swiftly and harshly reprimanded for it, usually by the men around her, some of whom exhibited the exact same behavior at some point.
3rd Feb '18 10:32:42 AM smasll_lordvoice
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* As stated [[http://das-sporking.livejournal.com/322129.html in this review,]] the concept of immortal children is ''terrifying.'' Meyer (certainly unintentionally) implies that many, ''many'' children died in the process of making immortal children so that their vampire creators could have someone to baby and drool over; considering how hard it is for vampires to stop feeding and begin the transformation process, it's very possible that countless children died during this process. Not to mention these vampires were ''stealing'' these babies away from their rightful families and condemning them to a life of eternal pain (seeing how painful it is for a vampire to be thirsty), not to mention the fact that they'll [[NotGrowingUpSucks never mature]], be able to experience life to the fullest, or be able to even begin to understand ''why'' they're in pain (because of thirst). Also, the children vampires were responsible for the deaths of literally thousands of people because they couldn't control themselves. And yet we're supposed to believe the Volturi are just so ''evil'' for putting a stop to this reign of terror. Furthermore, Bella is completely fine with the deaths of hundreds of people just to save her and her daughter's lives because they're more important than ordinary humans. Even other vampires are seen as less important than Bella and Renesmee in her mind, as she's willing to build an army of them to save her. Renesmee is in the same boat as her mother, since she never objects to the [[CannonFodder vampires and shapeshifters]] laying down their lives for her and she doesn't even have the excuse of not knowing any better since that she supposedly has the intelligence of an adult. Keep in mind that both characters are supposed to be smart and compassionate people who think of others before themselves. Made worse since their vampire army never actually did anything but talk, the Volturi peacefully left them alone, so all those humans who were made snacks by the vampires were essentially senseless deaths that could have been prevented ''had the Cullens go to the Volturi straight away in the first place instead of build an army''!

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* As stated [[http://das-sporking.livejournal.com/322129.html in this review,]] the concept of immortal children is ''terrifying.'' Meyer (certainly unintentionally) implies that many, ''many'' children died in the process of making immortal children so that their vampire creators could have someone to baby and drool over; considering how hard it is for vampires to stop feeding and begin the transformation process, it's very possible that countless children died during this process. Not to mention these vampires were ''stealing'' these babies away from their rightful families and condemning them to a life of eternal pain (seeing how painful it is for a vampire to be thirsty), not to mention the fact that they'll [[NotGrowingUpSucks never mature]], be able to experience life to the fullest, or be able to even begin to understand ''why'' they're in pain (because of thirst). Also, the children vampires were responsible for the deaths of literally thousands of people because they couldn't control themselves. And yet we're supposed to believe the Volturi are just so ''evil'' ''[[DesignatedVillain evil]]'' for putting a stop to this reign of terror. Furthermore, Bella is completely fine with the deaths of hundreds of people just to save her and her daughter's lives because they're more important than ordinary humans. Even other vampires are seen as less important than Bella and Renesmee in her mind, as she's willing to build an army of them to save her. Renesmee is in the same boat as her mother, since she never objects to the [[CannonFodder vampires and shapeshifters]] laying down their lives for her and she doesn't even have the excuse of not knowing any better since that she supposedly has the intelligence of an adult. Keep in mind that both characters are supposed to be smart and compassionate people who think of others before themselves. Made worse since their vampire army never actually did anything but talk, the Volturi peacefully left them alone, so all those humans who were made snacks by the vampires were essentially senseless deaths that could have been prevented ''had the Cullens go to the Volturi straight away in the first place instead of build an army''!
14th Jan '18 4:07:52 PM CyberController
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*** Similarly, all of the women in the books are ether married and has children, wants to get married and have children, or regrets that she can't get married and have children unless she is one of the villains or is meant to serve as an example of someone selfish and irresponsible (i.e. the sort of person YOU shouldn't want to be).

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*** Similarly, all of the women in the books are ether either married and has children, wants to get married and have children, or regrets that she can't get married and have children unless she is one of the villains or is meant to serve as an example of someone selfish and irresponsible (i.e. the sort of person YOU shouldn't want to be).



** Edward also talks a lot about how good and kind and pure and virtuous Bella is (IncorruptiblePurePureness), but most of her actions are ether completely selfish, or impulsive reactions to external stimuli; the majority of the things she does that would conventionally be considered indicators of virtue or selflessness are things that Edward forces her to do or things that she's doing out of her selfish desire to be with Edward (usually only with regard to how they affect Edward and herself, with no consideration for anyone else.) Left to her own devices, Bella is childishly selfish and reckless.

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** Edward also talks a lot about how good and kind and pure and virtuous Bella is (IncorruptiblePurePureness), but most of her actions are ether either completely selfish, or impulsive reactions to external stimuli; the majority of the things she does that would conventionally be considered indicators of virtue or selflessness are things that Edward forces her to do or things that she's doing out of her selfish desire to be with Edward (usually only with regard to how they affect Edward and herself, with no consideration for anyone else.) Left to her own devices, Bella is childishly selfish and reckless.
10th Jan '18 11:24:18 PM lalaTKG
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** Marcus. His wife, which was Aro's sister, had been murdered and he never found the culprit. Now, he's TheEeyore of the Volturi. During the climax of the last movie ([[spoiler:even though it's only a vision of what could happen]]), what's his reaction when he's confronted by two vampires about to kill him?

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** Marcus. His wife, which who was Aro's sister, had been murdered and he never found the culprit. Now, he's TheEeyore of the Volturi. During the climax of the last movie ([[spoiler:even though it's only a vision of what could happen]]), what's his reaction when he's confronted by two vampires about to kill him?
10th Jan '18 11:23:32 PM lalaTKG
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** Alistair. He's clearly unhappy about being dragged by the Cullens into a potential battle with the Volturi, and he abandons everyone as soon as he can. Then the official Guide came out, and his backstory was revealed: his own father sold him '''and his entire family''' to a vampire in exchange for power. When said vampire transformed him, he fell into a bloodlust that caused the death of dozens, including his father. Upon realizing what he had done, he ran away, only to discover that not only his family was gone and he couldn't live anymore among humans, his beloved animals rejected him out of sheer terror. No wonder he turned into a paranoid loony who refuses any kind of company. The movie makes it worse, because he stated that he was actually growing [[HopeSpot a little hope]] that everything would be settled peacefully... before seeing Bella packing a note and resources for Jacob and Renésmee's getaway, at which points he realizes she never had any hope for the Volturi to stop and listen.

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** Alistair. He's clearly unhappy about being dragged by the Cullens into a potential battle with the Volturi, and he abandons everyone as soon as he can. Then the official Guide came out, and his backstory was revealed: his own father sold him '''and his entire family''' to a vampire in exchange for power. When said vampire transformed him, he fell into a bloodlust that caused the death of dozens, including his father. Upon realizing what he had done, he ran away, only to discover that not only his family was gone and gone, he couldn't live anymore among humans, and his beloved animals rejected him out of sheer terror.terror on top of that. No wonder he turned into a paranoid loony who refuses any kind of company. The movie makes it worse, because he stated that he was actually growing [[HopeSpot a little hope]] that everything would be settled peacefully... before seeing Bella packing a note and resources for Jacob and Renésmee's getaway, at which points he realizes she never had any hope for the Volturi to stop and listen.
10th Jan '18 11:13:55 PM lalaTKG
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* RomanticPlotTumor: Ironically, many critics of the series complain that the story would have been far more interesting had the author only devoted more time to the secondary characters and less to the Edward/Jacob/Bella love triangle and Edward and Bella's relationship drama, which seemed stale and boring compared to the far more origional, provocative personalities and backstories of the secondary characters.

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* RomanticPlotTumor: Ironically, many critics of the series complain that the story would have been far more interesting had the author only devoted more time to the secondary characters and less to the Edward/Jacob/Bella love triangle and Edward and Bella's relationship drama, which seemed stale and boring compared to the far more origional, original, provocative personalities and backstories of the secondary characters.
10th Jan '18 9:53:14 PM lalaTKG
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* GirlShowGhetto: While ''Twilight'' has a lot of reasons to be hated, many have started to note that a lot of the hate tends to have a certain DoubleStandard compare to similarly flawed works that are instead targeted towards men. Given how a good number of those who complain about ''Twilight'' tend to focus on elements such as Edward's lack of masculinity, the sparkly skin, and the fact its popular with young women, rather than the UnfortunateImplications noted above or its more legitimate flaws, other famous works with similar problems in their writing, such as a number of action, sci-fi, and superhero films (IE, the kind aimed at men), tend to get far less mockery and criticism.

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* GirlShowGhetto: While ''Twilight'' has a lot of reasons to be hated, many have started to note that a lot of the hate tends to have a certain DoubleStandard compare to similarly flawed works that are instead targeted towards men. Given how a good number of those who complain about ''Twilight'' tend to focus on elements such as Edward's lack of masculinity, the sparkly skin, and the fact its it's popular with young women, rather than the UnfortunateImplications noted above or its it's more legitimate flaws, other famous works with similar problems in their writing, such as a number of action, sci-fi, and superhero films (IE, the kind aimed at men), tend to get far less mockery and criticism.
10th Jan '18 12:09:14 PM lalaTKG
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*** Similarly, every women in the books is ether married and has children, wants to get married and have children, or regrets that she can't get married and have children unless she is one of the villains or is meant to serve as an example of someone selfish and irresponsible (i.e. the sort of person YOU shouldn't want to be).

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*** Similarly, every all of the women in the books is are ether married and has children, wants to get married and have children, or regrets that she can't get married and have children unless she is one of the villains or is meant to serve as an example of someone selfish and irresponsible (i.e. the sort of person YOU shouldn't want to be).



* AwardSnub: Inverted. For the past two years (and without a doubt the next two) the movies have been nominated in nearly every category at the MTV Movie Awards, and winning every one of them. Because MTV doesn't monitor IP addresses and allows people to vote multiple times, ''New Moon'' beat out ''Film/AliceInWonderland2010'' and ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' (both of which grossed over a billion dollars), ''Film/TheHangover'' (the highest grossing comedy ever which, like ''Avatar'', won Best Picture at the Golden Globes), and ''[[Film/HarryPotter Half-Blood Prince]]''.

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* AwardSnub: Inverted. For At the past two years (and without a doubt the next two) time the movies have first came out, they had been nominated in nearly every category at the MTV Movie Awards, and winning every one of them. Because MTV doesn't monitor IP addresses and allows people to vote multiple times, ''New Moon'' beat out ''Film/AliceInWonderland2010'' and ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' (both of which grossed over a billion dollars), ''Film/TheHangover'' (the highest grossing comedy ever which, like ''Avatar'', won Best Picture at the Golden Globes), and ''[[Film/HarryPotter Half-Blood Prince]]''.
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