History YMMV / TwentyFour

21st Mar '17 6:01:49 PM Galle
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** Allison Taylor spends the third act of Season 8 [[spoiler: covering up the involvement of Russian agents in the assassination of Omar Hassan, in the name of preserving a peace treaty that Hassan strongly believed in and that it is implied will save thousands if not millions of lives.]] Naturally, this is treated as a FaceHeelTurn, and her [[spoiler: refusal to sign the treaty at the last minute]] as an act of redemption, because apparently, human lives are less important than abstract principles.
21st Mar '17 10:51:36 AM pisacrap
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** [[spoiler: The reveal of Alan Wilson being the mastermind behind numerous terrorist plots within the series, including the deaths of David Palmer and Michelle, has had mixed reactions. many were unhappy that what they felt was a completely generic, dull character had been set up as the series BigBad and [[HijackedByGanon stole Day 7's plot away from a highly praised villain in Jonas Hodges, who was built up as the Big Bad of Day 7 since Redemption.]]]]
*** [[spoiler: The reason the writers tacked Wilson on the ''ultimate'' Day 5 mastermind was that they needed a foil for Tony to be an AntiVillain. The problem became that, in seasons 5 and 6, every mastermind was either an established major political figure (Chief of Staff Walt Cummings, President Charles Logan) or someone personally important to Jack (mentor Christopher Henderson, brother Graem, or daddy Phillip). Then, it all turned to be the work of... some guy. Bo-ring.]]
** [[spoiler:It seems that Day 8 has one that rivals the above, with he reveal that Yuri Suvarov, a previous respectable character that wasn't bad at all, was revealed right before the series finale to be the final BigBad of the series. It's even more bizarre since you would think it would be more appropriate to have Charles Logan as the BigBad, especially with him being more of a MagnificentBastard than before. It seems the writers love making [[ShockingSwerve twists for the sake of twists]]]]

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** [[spoiler: The reveal of Alan Wilson [[spoiler:Alan Wilson]] being the mastermind behind numerous terrorist plots within the series, including the deaths of David [[spoiler:David Palmer and Michelle, Michelle Dessler]], has had mixed reactions. many Many were unhappy that what they felt was a completely generic, dull character had been set up as the series series' BigBad and [[HijackedByGanon stole Day 7's plot away away]] from a highly praised villain in Jonas Hodges, who was built up as the Big Bad of Day 7 since Redemption.]]]]
''Redemption''.
*** [[spoiler: The reason the writers tacked [[spoiler:tacked Wilson on as the ''ultimate'' Day 5 mastermind was that they needed a foil for Tony to be an AntiVillain.AntiVillain]]. The problem became that, in seasons 5 and 6, every mastermind was either an established major political figure (Chief of Staff Walt Cummings, President Charles Logan) or someone personally important to Jack (mentor Christopher Henderson, brother Graem, or daddy Phillip). Then, it all turned to be the work of... some guy. Bo-ring.]]
Bo-ring.
** [[spoiler:It seems that Day 8 has one that rivals the above, with he the reveal that Yuri [[spoiler:Yuri Suvarov, a previous previously respectable character that wasn't bad at all, was revealed right before the series finale to be is the final BigBad of the series. season. It's even more bizarre since you would think it would be more appropriate to have Charles Logan as the BigBad, especially with him being more of a MagnificentBastard than before. before]]. It seems the writers love making [[ShockingSwerve twists for the sake of twists]]]]twists]].



** Possibly also [[spoiler:Graem being established as Jack's brother in season 6. In season 5, all of his conversations with President Logan have ''both'' participants referring to Jack only as "Bauer", no first name, which suggests that Logan doesn't even realize that the person he's talking to also has the surname Bauer.]]

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** Possibly also [[spoiler:Graem Graem being established as Jack's [[spoiler:Jack's brother in season 6. In season 5, all of his conversations with President Logan have ''both'' participants referring to Jack only as "Bauer", no first name, which suggests that Logan doesn't even realize that the person he's talking to also has the surname Bauer.]]



** In the latter half of ''Legacy'', [[spoiler:Asim Naseri is suddenly introduced as a henchman of the BigBad, revealed to have a bitter personal history with TheHero, and promoted to Big Bad himself, ''all within a single episode''. While ''24'' is no stranger to DiscOneFinalBoss, previous seasons were usually more gradual and natural about it thanks to their longer lengths; by contrast, Naseri practically comes out of nowhere, with zero prior buildup or foreshadowing.]]



* JustHereForGodzilla: Many fans of the show who initially had no interest in watching ''24: Legacy'' have started to changed their minds after it was revealed that [[spoiler:Tony would be appearing, continuing off the SequelHook from the ''24: Solitary'' short.]]

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* JustHereForGodzilla: Many fans of the show who initially had no interest in watching ''24: Legacy'' have started to changed their minds after when it was revealed that [[spoiler:Tony would be appearing, continuing off the SequelHook from the ''24: Solitary'' short.]]



** ''Live Another Day'' features what was perhaps always the inevitable end of the "perimeter" motif, as Eric describes the terrorists as making one of their own. They're finished a few moments later.
** The protagonist of the revival is called Eric Carter. Hopefully the terrorists respect his authoritah.
** The entire subplot in ''Legacy'' with the teenage terrorist and her chemistry teacher making a bomb. Both of them are so incompetent at covering their tracks that half the time it honestly feels like it's deliberately being played for wacky slapstick, except the music never stops being deadly serious.

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** ''Live Another Day'' features what was perhaps always the inevitable end of the "perimeter" motif, as Eric Erik describes the terrorists as making one of their own. They're finished a few moments later.
** The protagonist of the revival ''24: Legacy'' is called named Eric Carter. Hopefully the terrorists [[WesternAnimation/SouthPark respect his authoritah.
authoritah]].
** The entire subplot in ''Legacy'' with the teenage terrorist Amira Dudayev and her chemistry teacher making a bomb. Both of them are so incompetent at covering their tracks that half the time it honestly feels like it's deliberately being played for wacky slapstick, except the music never stops being deadly serious.



** The series finale revealing that TheManBehindTheMan behind the Russian terrorists was actually [[spoiler: Yuri Suvarov]], a character that showed no previous connections to any terrorist group. In fact, despite his political connections to [[spoiler: Charles Logan]], he came off as an overall decent guy who opposed the Russian terrorists in both seasons [[spoiler: ''five'' AND ''six''. Suvarov]] suddenly switching sides so close to the show's end felt like an extraordinary AssPull.

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** The series finale revealing that TheManBehindTheMan behind the Russian terrorists was actually [[spoiler: Yuri Suvarov]], a character that showed no previous connections to any terrorist group. In fact, despite his political connections to [[spoiler: Charles Logan]], he came off as an overall decent guy who opposed the Russian terrorists in both seasons [[spoiler: ''five'' AND ''six''. Suvarov]] suddenly switching sides so close to the show's end felt like an extraordinary AssPull.{{Asspull}}.



** Season 7 revealed that the ultimate ManBehindTheMan was some guy named Alan Wilson and TheOmniscientCouncilOfVagueness, though said Council may or may not be a KarmaHoudini as they, too, are not heard from again, while Wilson only gets a brief mention in season 8. Most seasons prior to that had various cases of government corruption and internal conspiracies (such as attempts to kill the President) that alluded to masterminds who went unpunished, and Graem Bauer alluded to involvement in previous stories (saying that he ordered the hit on David Palmer and Jack in season 5, and that his hit on Jack was not the first). Wilson is presumably meant to be the ultimate villain behind all of this, but while the conspiracy itself wasn't exactly an AssPull and a fair amount of groundwork (possibly unintentional, but still), the identity of the villain certainly was.

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** Season 7 revealed that the ultimate ManBehindTheMan was some guy named Alan Wilson and TheOmniscientCouncilOfVagueness, though said Council may or may not be a KarmaHoudini as they, too, are not heard from again, while Wilson only gets a brief mention in season 8. Most seasons prior to that had various cases of government corruption and internal conspiracies (such as attempts to kill the President) that alluded to masterminds who went unpunished, and Graem Bauer alluded to involvement in previous stories (saying that he ordered the hit on David Palmer and Jack in season 5, and that his hit on Jack was not the first). Wilson is presumably meant to be the ultimate villain behind all of this, but while the conspiracy itself wasn't exactly an AssPull {{Asspull}} and a fair amount of groundwork (possibly unintentional, but still), the identity of the villain certainly was.



** [[spoiler: Tony]] in season 7. It's clear he was supposed to be viewed in some sort of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds light by the end, but the fact that the revelation regarding it is almost thrown in [[AssPull at the last second]] [[BrokenBase hasn't sit well with some people]] as well as his willingness to kill innocent people despite [[BlatantLies claims that they were never actually in danger]], especially when compared to [[spoiler: Jack's]] turn in season 8 where he still [[EvenEvilHasStandards had some principles]] and was cleary [[HurtingHero suffering]] even as his actions became darker through the final third of it.

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** [[spoiler: Tony]] in season 7. It's clear he was supposed to be viewed in some sort of WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds light by the end, but the fact that the revelation regarding it is almost thrown in [[AssPull [[{{Asspull}} at the last second]] [[BrokenBase hasn't sit well with some people]] as well as his willingness to kill innocent people despite [[BlatantLies claims that they were never actually in danger]], especially when compared to [[spoiler: Jack's]] turn in season 8 where he still [[EvenEvilHasStandards had some principles]] and was cleary [[HurtingHero suffering]] even as his actions became darker through the final third of it.
18th Feb '17 6:23:12 PM Pren
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** The entire subplot in ''Legacy'' with the teenage terrorist and her chemistry teacher making a bomb. Both of them are so incompetent at covering their tracks that half the time it honestly feels like it's deliberately being played for wacky slapstick, except the music never stops being deadly serious.
15th Feb '17 6:26:37 AM Larkmarn
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* MemeticMutation: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaFNERDwwuk "I'm Special Agent Jack Bowser..."]] and of course Kiefer Sutherhound. [[Memes/MetalGear Kept you waiting, huh?]]
8th Feb '17 5:57:17 PM InvaderYoukoChan
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* MemeticMutation: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaFNERDwwuk "I'm Special Agent Jack Bowser..."]] and of course Kiefer Sutherhound. [[Memes/MetalGear Kept you waiting, huh?]]
5th Feb '17 2:18:29 PM jlindsay
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*** Originally Cara Bowden was supposed to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse Mandy]]. That would have made this entire section of the plot FAR more interesting for two reasons. First of all, Mandy's connection to three separate terrorist plots before this would give more credibility to the idea that this OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness really did have a big hand in the plots of previous seasons. Second, considering Tony and Mandy faced off during Season 4, seeing them on the same side this time (and even possibly dating, assuming they still had the same relationship Tony and Cara did) would be an awesome way to represent Tony as a case of HeWhoFightsMonsters.
29th Jan '17 10:05:52 AM WarriorsGate
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** In season 4, the "corrupt defense contractor selling weapons to terrorists" plotline is abruptly dropped after episode 13, right as the show was getting into full-on conspiracy mode. Seems like someone at FOX didn't like where it was heading....

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** In season 4, the "corrupt defense contractor selling weapons to terrorists" plotline is abruptly dropped after episode 13, right as the show was getting into full-on conspiracy mode. Pointedly, episodes of ''24'' are always shot in pairs by the same director, '''except for''' those two episodes, implying the original episode 14 was scrapped. Seems like someone at FOX didn't like where it was heading....
3rd Jan '17 7:05:05 PM Wyldchyld
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** Sherry Palmer elevated herself to a new level of villain [[BadAss BadAssery]] in Season 3, (when she was formerly a behind-the-scenes [[ManipulativeBastard manipulator]]) when she [[spoiler: talked Alan Milliken to death and prevented his wife from administering life-saving medicine.]]

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** Sherry Palmer elevated herself to a new level of villain [[BadAss BadAssery]] Badassery in Season 3, (when she was formerly a behind-the-scenes [[ManipulativeBastard manipulator]]) when she [[spoiler: talked Alan Milliken to death and prevented his wife from administering life-saving medicine.]]



** John Quinn. {{Badass}}? Check. EvilCounterpart to Jack Bauer? Check. Killed off after only appearing in two episodes? [[TooCoolToLive ...Check]].

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** John Quinn. {{Badass}}? Badass? Check. EvilCounterpart to Jack Bauer? Check. Killed off after only appearing in two episodes? [[TooCoolToLive ...Check]].



** Hamri Al-Assad. A very interesting and complex {{badass}} who could have played a bigger overall role in Season 6 and whose character study could have given the story much more depth and substance...had he not [[spoiler:been unceremoniously killed less than halfway through the season and reduced to little more than someone else's patsy]].

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** Hamri Al-Assad. A very interesting and complex {{badass}} badass who could have played a bigger overall role in Season 6 and whose character study could have given the story much more depth and substance...had he not [[spoiler:been unceremoniously killed less than halfway through the season and reduced to little more than someone else's patsy]].



*** Similarly, Katee Sackhoff being cast as an office drone seemed strange, with some viewers suggesting that maybe she and Prinze (who was playing a {{badass}} field agent) should switch jobs. [[spoiler:Once she was revealed as a double agent the casting seemed to make more sense.]]

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*** Similarly, Katee Sackhoff being cast as an office drone seemed strange, with some viewers suggesting that maybe she and Prinze (who was playing a {{badass}} badass field agent) should switch jobs. [[spoiler:Once she was revealed as a double agent the casting seemed to make more sense.]]
9th Nov '16 8:23:21 AM Morgenthaler
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** Kate Morgan has managed to get pretty popular after just a few hours thanks to her own pretty {{Badass}} behavior.

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** Kate Morgan has managed to get pretty popular after just a few hours thanks to her own pretty {{Badass}} badass behavior.
14th Oct '16 12:06:44 AM MisterCPC
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* JustHereForGodzilla: Many fans of the show who initially had no interest in watching ''24: Legacy'' have started to changed their minds after it was revealed that [[spoiler:Tony would be appearing, continuing off the SequelHook from the ''24: Solitary'' short.]]
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