History YMMV / Troy

9th Sep '17 8:35:07 PM Isaac_Heller
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* TheScrappy: Paris is not well liked by fans. Even Creator/OrlandoBloom didn't think too highly of the character, calling him a cowardly wimp.

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* TheScrappy: Paris is not well liked by fans.fans due to starting the whole war to begin with, killing Achilles in the end, and [[KarmaHoudini getting away with it all]]. Even Creator/OrlandoBloom didn't think too highly of the character, calling him a cowardly wimp.
9th Aug '17 9:28:21 AM GothicProphet
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* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: As seen above, this film and its qualities are a matter of great debate. What is not, however, even among trained Classicists, is the quality of Creator/PeterOToole in his turn as Priam during his scene in Achille's tent. That is the original Iliad, with all of Priam's pain and loss, realised.

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* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: As seen above, this film and its qualities are a matter of great debate. What is not, however, even among trained Classicists, is the quality of Creator/PeterOToole in his turn as Priam during his scene in Achille's tent. That is the original Iliad, with all of Priam's pain and loss, realised.realised.
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8th Aug '17 11:19:32 AM Retloclive
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* ItWasHisSled: Oh, so very much. From who in the movie dies, to the Greeks succeeding in destroying Troy.
1st Aug '17 2:08:21 PM Greystone101
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** Despite the mess she causes, Helen is still fully aware of everyone she's condemned to death. She even tries to give herself up to the Greeks, despite knowing it will do nothing, all because of her guilt. What's more is that she was trapped in an unhappy marriage since her teenage years. Paris was the one thing that brought her happiness, and because of it a war got started.

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** Despite the mess she causes, Helen is still fully aware of everyone she's condemned to death. She even tries to give herself up to the Greeks, despite knowing it will do nothing, all because of her guilt. What's more is that she was trapped in an unhappy marriage since her teenage years. Paris was the one thing that brought her happiness, and because of it a war got started.started.
* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: As seen above, this film and its qualities are a matter of great debate. What is not, however, even among trained Classicists, is the quality of Creator/PeterOToole in his turn as Priam during his scene in Achille's tent. That is the original Iliad, with all of Priam's pain and loss, realised.
19th Apr '17 8:15:11 AM WJTaylor4
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* SoOkayItsAverage: Generally felt to be one of the weaker entries during the early 2000s wave of big budget fantasy costume epics, but generally works better when simply taken as a big summer action film than as an adaptation of its source material.
9th Apr '17 12:40:43 AM Emperor_Oshron
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*** Amusingly, there really ''is'' [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII an Assassin named Achilles]].
29th Dec '16 5:16:32 PM fearlessnikki
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** The film drops the Greek Gods from the plot, but employs MaybeMagicMaybeMundane. Achilles says that he's seen them personally. Julie Christie appears as Thetis - who was a sea goddess - and spends the entirety of her scene in the water, which seems to be a hint to her being a goddess. Achilles defaces the statue of Apollo and [[spoiler: eventually loses his cousin, and dies just as he's about to be with the woman he loves]]. So the Gods very well could be manipulating events offscreen.
** Helen nearly giving herself up to the Greeks after the first day of battles. Does she think it will help, and wants to prevent further bloodshed on her account? Or does she know it's hopeless, and just wants to be punished in some way to relieve her guilt?



* BestKnownForTheFanservice: A variation. A large amount of press for the film consisted of women's magazines {{Squee}}ing over "Brad Pitt in a skirt!"

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* BestKnownForTheFanservice: BestKnownForTheFanservice:
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A variation. A large amount of press for the film consisted of women's magazines {{Squee}}ing over "Brad Pitt in a skirt!"skirt!"
** Orlando Bloom and Eric Bana are also on {{Fanservice}} duty for nearly three hours, both getting plenty of {{Shirtless Scene}}s and their regular clothes showing plenty of skin too.
** And for the reverse, Diane Kruger walks around with beautiful golden RapunzelHair, occasionally nude (and you see much more in the extended cut) and the camera is all too happy to show off her beauty. She was immediately included on People magazine's "50 Most Beautiful People in the World" list that year - at Number 44.



* FridgeLogic: Are the gods still in there manipulating events, even though they're not seen?



** The film goes to great, almost absurd lengths to assure the audience that Achilles is straight and that his ''cousin'' and surrogate little brother figure Patroclus is probably straight (or at least ambiguously straight or whatever).
** Patroclus's 'anguished' rant about why they should stay in the war. Mostly because Garrett Hedlund is the only one in the cast NotBotheringWithTheAccent and the resulting speech sounds ridiculous with his Minnesota accent.

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** The film goes to great, almost absurd lengths to assure the audience that Achilles is straight and that his ''cousin'' and surrogate little brother figure Patroclus is probably straight (or at least ambiguously straight or whatever).straight.
** Patroclus's 'anguished' rant about why they should stay in the war. Mostly because Garrett Hedlund is the only one in the cast NotBotheringWithTheAccent NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent and the resulting speech sounds ridiculous with his Minnesota accent.



* TheWoobie: Andromache who must watch [[spoiler: as her husband is killed and their baby left fatherless]]. Things don't end well for her in the original mythology either.

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* TheWoobie: TheWoobie:
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Andromache who must watch [[spoiler: as her husband is killed and their baby left fatherless]]. Things don't end well for her in the original mythology either.either.
** Despite the mess she causes, Helen is still fully aware of everyone she's condemned to death. She even tries to give herself up to the Greeks, despite knowing it will do nothing, all because of her guilt. What's more is that she was trapped in an unhappy marriage since her teenage years. Paris was the one thing that brought her happiness, and because of it a war got started.
26th Oct '16 4:32:52 PM nombretomado
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* MemeticBadass: Achilles. "[[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Who would win?]] Achilles or...?" ([[Film/ThreeHundred Leonidas]]/[[Film/{{Gladiator}} Maximus]]/Franchise/{{Superman}}/[[Website/ChuckNorrisFacts Chuck Norris]]...) Experts have even pronounced him "Str8 gangsta", unusually for the time period. ''Film/{{Beowulf 2007}}'' fans [[http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=DrkguvGFnrE debate at length:]] ''"Achilles is kinda cheating with the heel thing..."'' And the answer is: [[RunningGag Achilles]].

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* MemeticBadass: Achilles. "[[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Who would win?]] Achilles or...?" ([[Film/ThreeHundred Leonidas]]/[[Film/{{Gladiator}} Maximus]]/Franchise/{{Superman}}/[[Website/ChuckNorrisFacts Chuck Norris]]...) Experts have even pronounced him "Str8 gangsta", unusually for the time period. ''Film/{{Beowulf ''WesternAnimation/{{Beowulf 2007}}'' fans [[http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=DrkguvGFnrE debate at length:]] ''"Achilles is kinda cheating with the heel thing..."'' And the answer is: [[RunningGag Achilles]].
14th Oct '16 11:43:55 AM CumbersomeTercel
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** Odysseus as well of course, given that he's played by Sean Bean, in one of the roles where he's not the villain and doesn't die.
* EstrogenBrigade: Although this is a RatedMForManly action movie, it has a large amount of female fans. Brad Pitt, Eric Bana and Orlando Bloom all have {{Shirtless Scene}}s - Pitt especially spending the whole movie in very skimpy armour.

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** Odysseus as well of course, given that he's played by Sean Bean, Creator/SeanBean, in one of the roles where he's not the villain and doesn't die.
* EstrogenBrigade: Although this is a RatedMForManly action movie, it has a large amount of female fans. Brad Pitt, Eric Bana Creator/BradPitt, Creator/EricBana and Orlando Bloom Creator/OrlandoBloom all have {{Shirtless Scene}}s - Pitt especially spending the whole movie in very skimpy armour.



** Sean Bean plays Odysseus here (one of the few films where he doesn't get killed) and would later play Zeus, the king of the Greek gods, in the film adaptation of ''Literature/{{Percy Jackson|AndTheOlympians}}''.

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** Sean Bean Creator/SeanBean plays Odysseus here (one of the few films where he doesn't get killed) and would later play Zeus, the king of the Greek gods, in the film adaptation of ''Literature/{{Percy Jackson|AndTheOlympians}}''.



** Diane Kruger makes things go very badly for Rose Byrne here. A couple of years later, they starred together in ''Film/WickerPark'' - where Byrne gets her own back. [[spoiler: She splits up Kruger's relationship and tries to sleep with her boyfriend in her place]]. Furthermore Byrne's character in ''Troy'' chooses to become a virgin priestess, whereas in ''Wicker Park'' [[spoiler: she's sleeping with two men]].
* MemeticBadass: Achilles. "[[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Who would win?]] Achilles or...?" ([[Film/ThreeHundred Leonidas]]/[[Film/{{Gladiator}} Maximus]]/Franchise/{{Superman}}/[[Website/ChuckNorrisFacts Chuck Norris]]...) Experts have even pronounced him "Str8 gangsta", unusually for the time period. ''Film/{{Beowulf 2007}}'' fans [[http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=DrkguvGFnrE debate at length:]] ''"Achilles is kinda cheating with the heel thing..."'' And the answer is: [[RunningGag Achilles]].

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** Diane Kruger Creator/DianeKruger makes things go very badly for Rose Byrne Creator/RoseByrne here. A couple of years later, they starred together in ''Film/WickerPark'' - where Byrne gets her own back. [[spoiler: She splits up Kruger's relationship and tries to sleep with her boyfriend in her place]]. Furthermore Byrne's character in ''Troy'' chooses to become a virgin priestess, whereas in ''Wicker Park'' [[spoiler: she's sleeping with two men]].
* MemeticBadass: Achilles. "[[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Who would win?]] Achilles or...?" ([[Film/ThreeHundred Leonidas]]/[[Film/{{Gladiator}} Maximus]]/Franchise/{{Superman}}/[[Website/ChuckNorrisFacts Chuck Norris]]...) Experts have even pronounced him "Str8 gangsta", unusually for the time period. ''Film/{{Beowulf 2007}}'' fans [[http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=DrkguvGFnrE debate at length:]] ''"Achilles is kinda cheating with the heel thing..."'' And the answer is: [[RunningGag Achilles]].
men]].



* LoveToHate: Brian Cox chews the scenery and makes Agamemnon such a charismatic villain that he's one of the favourite characters in the movie.
* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome:
** Hector vs. Ajax
** Achilles finally getting shot.
* MoralEventHorizon: Practically every Greek solider, save Achilles and Odysseus, crosses it when they sack Troy in the Director's Cut.

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* LoveToHate: Brian Cox Creator/BrianCox chews the scenery and makes Agamemnon such a charismatic villain that he's one of the favourite characters in the movie.
* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome:
** Hector vs. Ajax
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MemeticBadass: Achilles. "[[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny Who would win?]] Achilles finally getting shot.
or...?" ([[Film/ThreeHundred Leonidas]]/[[Film/{{Gladiator}} Maximus]]/Franchise/{{Superman}}/[[Website/ChuckNorrisFacts Chuck Norris]]...) Experts have even pronounced him "Str8 gangsta", unusually for the time period. ''Film/{{Beowulf 2007}}'' fans [[http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=DrkguvGFnrE debate at length:]] ''"Achilles is kinda cheating with the heel thing..."'' And the answer is: [[RunningGag Achilles]].
* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
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Practically every Greek solider, save Achilles and Odysseus, crosses it when they sack Troy in the Director's Cut.



** Brad Pitt's accent seems a likely place. [[NarmCharm This is primarily for the sake of balance]] but the film does have a kind of ''Film/RobinHoodPrinceOfThieves'' silliness to it.

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** Brad Pitt's Creator/BradPitt's accent seems a likely place. [[NarmCharm This is primarily for the sake of balance]] but the film does have a kind of ''Film/RobinHoodPrinceOfThieves'' silliness to it.



* TheScrappy: Paris is not well liked by fans. Even Orlando Bloom didn't think too highly of the character, calling him a cowardly wimp.
* TearJerker:
** For all the HamAndCheese in this movie, the look on King Priam's face when he emerges from his chambers to find [[ItWasHisSled his beloved Troy in flames]] is utterly heartbreaking.
** Hector descending to fight Achilles. We all know how well that was going to turn out for him. And it seems his family, who are watching on, also seem to know what little chance Hector stands against Achilles. The shots of his wife, Andromache, are especially heartbreaking, as she practically has a nervous breakdown during the fight, and her reaction to his death is even worse.
** Hector showing Andromache the escape tunnels beneath the city in case Troy is sacked and Hector dies. Made worse by the fact that some versions of the myth [[FateWorseThanDeath do not end well for Andromache.]]
** Hector's face in every single scene. Man knows they're on a slippery slope to hell five minutes into the film but he can't DO anything about it (without dooming Paris) and that realization makes his entire performance just heartbreaking.
** Priam asking for his son Hector's body back, especially this line:
--->'''Priam:''' "You're still my enemy tonight. But even enemies can show respect."
** There's also his line "How many cousins have you killed? How many sons and fathers and brothers and husbands? How many brave Achilles?" Peter O'Toole's delivery is just heartbreaking to say the least. After this speech, Achilles breaks down and sobs over the body, clearly [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realising the extent of his actions]].
** Helen being caught by Hector, almost about to give herself over to the Greeks. She knows it means certain death for her and it's unlikely to stop the war. But her guilt is catching up with her after having witnessed the funerals for all the dead soldiers.
--> "They're dead because I'm here."

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* TheScrappy: Paris is not well liked by fans. Even Orlando Bloom Creator/OrlandoBloom didn't think too highly of the character, calling him a cowardly wimp.
* TearJerker:
** For all the HamAndCheese in this movie, the look on King Priam's face when he emerges from his chambers to find [[ItWasHisSled his beloved Troy in flames]] is utterly heartbreaking.
** Hector descending to fight Achilles. We all know how well that was going to turn out for him. And it seems his family, who are watching on, also seem to know what little chance Hector stands against Achilles. The shots of his wife, Andromache, are especially heartbreaking, as she practically has a nervous breakdown during the fight, and her reaction to his death is even worse.
** Hector showing Andromache the escape tunnels beneath the city in case Troy is sacked and Hector dies. Made worse by the fact that some versions of the myth [[FateWorseThanDeath do not end well for Andromache.]]
** Hector's face in every single scene. Man knows they're on a slippery slope to hell five minutes into the film but he can't DO anything about it (without dooming Paris) and that realization makes his entire performance just heartbreaking.
** Priam asking for his son Hector's body back, especially this line:
--->'''Priam:''' "You're still my enemy tonight. But even enemies can show respect."
** There's also his line "How many cousins have you killed? How many sons and fathers and brothers and husbands? How many brave Achilles?" Peter O'Toole's delivery is just heartbreaking to say the least. After this speech, Achilles breaks down and sobs over the body, clearly [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realising the extent of his actions]].
** Helen being caught by Hector, almost about to give herself over to the Greeks. She knows it means certain death for her and it's unlikely to stop the war. But her guilt is catching up with her after having witnessed the funerals for all the dead soldiers.
--> "They're dead because I'm here."
wimp.
3rd Oct '16 12:47:01 PM rafi
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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Patroclus is either a Woobie who just wants to fight for his people and [[spoiler: his death is one of the ultimate tragedies]] or an immature brat whose idiotic pride [[spoiler: got a lot of innocent people killed]].

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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
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BaseBreakingCharacter: Patroclus is either a Woobie who just wants to fight for his people and [[spoiler: his death is one of the ultimate tragedies]] or an immature brat whose idiotic pride [[spoiler: got a lot of innocent people killed]].
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