History YMMV / TransformersGeneration1

1st Feb '18 9:04:44 PM Kervinle2500
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-->'''Wiki/TFWikiDotNet''': "Much like the events of "A Prime Problem", the basic premise of this episode requires incredible stupidity on the part of the players. In this case, however, those players are the entire human race! Thirty seconds of video footage and the crowd outside City Hall is throwing fruit at the Autobots. Why are the public so quickly swayed after the number of times the Autobots have saved them in the past year or so? What kind of kangaroo court would convict on such incredibly flimsy evidence? What kind of absurdly inept trial lawyers would fail to examine every bit of footage available? How could Berger fail to notice Megatron cackling with mad glee as he sends his foes rocketing into the sun?"

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-->'''Wiki/TFWikiDotNet''': "Much like the events of "A Prime Problem", the basic premise of this episode requires incredible stupidity on the part of the players. In this case, however, those players are the ''the entire human race! race''! Thirty seconds of video footage and the crowd outside City Hall is throwing fruit at the Autobots. Why are the public so quickly swayed after the number of times the Autobots have saved them in the past year or so? What kind of kangaroo court would convict on such incredibly flimsy evidence? What kind of absurdly inept trial lawyers would fail to examine every bit of footage available? How could Berger fail to notice Megatron cackling with mad glee as he sends his foes rocketing into the sun?"
27th Dec '17 3:32:24 PM starofjusticev21
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* EvilIsCool: The Decepticons tended to have alt modes that would seem more interesting to the toy line's target audience like fighter jets, giant robot bugs, and even a handgun (not today, due to [[ScrewedByTheLawyers toy safety laws in the United States banning "realistic firearm replicas" ''unless'' it has an orange cap]]). Plus they were the first side to have things like triple-changers and a subfaction whose members could [[CombiningMecha all combine into one great big robot]].

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* EvilIsCool: The Decepticons tended to have alt modes that would seem more interesting to the toy line's target audience like fighter jets, giant robot bugs, and even a handgun (not today, due to [[ScrewedByTheLawyers toy safety laws in guns the United States banning "realistic firearm replicas" ''unless'' it has an orange cap]]). kids could hold in their own hands. Plus they were the first side to have things like a guy with a bunch of smaller robots he could release from his body, triple-changers and a subfaction whose members could [[CombiningMecha all combine into one great big robot]].
23rd Dec '17 11:38:39 AM Killerikala
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* GrowingTheBeard: Subverted. Season 2 showed a lot of signs of improvement (stronger and bigger scale plots, more backstory, more spotlight episodes and characterization, better animation, etc.) but the last few episodes of the season and season 3 promptly took a nosedive in quality, bar a few really stand-out episodes. Note however that there are some who feel season three has merit; see SeasonalRot below for more.

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* GrowingTheBeard: Subverted. Season 2 showed a lot of signs of improvement (stronger and bigger scale plots, more backstory, more spotlight episodes and characterization, better animation, etc.) but the last few episodes of the season and season 3 promptly took a nosedive in quality, bar a few really stand-out episodes. Note however that there are some who feel season three has merit; see SeasonalRot and VindicatedByHistory below for more.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Usually in the cartoon - due to having a strict BlackAndWhiteMorality among the cast, some of the more complex/grey characters aren't as interesting as their toy bios would have you believe. For example, Thundercracker may be an elitist jerk, but he has doubts over the Decepticon cause, and Bluestreak is haunted by the memory of Decepticons destroying his home city, [[StepfordSmiler which he tries to hide with fast talking and an upbeat attitude]]. None of these traits come up in the cartoon, as they're both clear-cut evil/good guys with almost no depth.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Usually in the cartoon - due to having a strict BlackAndWhiteMorality among the cast, some of the more complex/grey characters aren't as interesting as their toy bios would have you believe. For example, Thundercracker may be an elitist jerk, but he has doubts over the Decepticon cause, and Bluestreak is haunted by the memory of Decepticons destroying his home city, [[StepfordSmiler which he tries to hide with fast talking and an upbeat attitude]]. None of these traits come up in the cartoon, cartoon [[note]]Although Thundercracker's loyalities did get into the script for "Fire on the mountain", but didn't make it into the final episode[[/note]], as they're both clear-cut evil/good guys with almost no depth. depth.
** The production bible for the series noted that Shockwave could create holographic copies of himself; this idea never materialized, until ''VideoGame/TransformersDevastation'' made it a part of his boss fight ''31'' years after the show started.



* VindicatedByHistory: The third season. It was once the most derided season in the fandom, but since coming out on DVD and being made widely available alongside the rest of the series, many fans have taken another look at it, and now many episodes of the season are regarded as some of the series' best. Check any top ten list of G1 episodes and season three episodes will make up almost half of the list, at least. Also characters like Rodimus Prime, Galvatron, Cyclonus, et al have become much more popular, and are scene as interesting characters in their own right.

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* VindicatedByHistory: The third season. It was once the most derided season in the fandom, but since coming out on DVD and being made widely available alongside the rest of the series, many fans have taken another look at it, and now many episodes of the season are regarded as some of the series' best. Check any top ten list of G1 episodes and season three episodes will make up almost half of the list, at least. Also characters like Rodimus Prime, Galvatron, Cyclonus, et al have become much more popular, and are scene seen as interesting characters in their own right.
3rd Dec '17 7:02:17 AM DemonaFanX
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* VindicatedByHistory: The third season. It was once the most derided season in the fandom, but since coming out on DVD and being made widely available alongside the rest of the series, many fans have taken another look at it, and now many episodes of the season are regarded as some of the series' best. Check any top ten list of G1 episodes and season three episodes will make up almost half of the list, at least. Also characters like Rodimus Prime, Galvatron, Cyclonus, et al have become much more popular, and are scene as interesting characters in their own right.
21st Nov '17 2:39:28 PM Killerikala
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The show was MerchandiseDriven, and it showed with plots catering to selling new toys. That was clear from the beginning when episodes would often [[RememberTheNewGuy introduce new characters out of nowhere and the show would just treat them like they were always there]]. The decision to kill off existing characters in TheMovie just to make room for a bunch of new characters who were [[RememberTheNewGuy introduced out of nowhere]] for the third season has gotten considerable flak, but the fact is the movie was just an example of a problem that had already been plaguing the show.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The show was MerchandiseDriven, and it showed with plots catering to selling new toys. That was clear from the beginning when episodes would often [[RememberTheNewGuy introduce new characters out of nowhere and the show would just treat them like they were always there]]. The decision to kill off existing characters in TheMovie just to make room for a bunch of new characters who were [[RememberTheNewGuy introduced out of nowhere]] for the third season has gotten considerable flak, but the fact is the movie was just an example of a problem that had already been plaguing the show. The fact that the cartoon usually just [[OutOfFocus moved the characters into the background]], while the film outright killed them doesn't help matters.



* JerkassWoobie: The Constructicons, who are only evil because Megatron reprogrammed them against their will.

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* JerkassWoobie: The Constructicons, who are only evil because Megatron reprogrammed them against their will. Well, [[ContinuitySnarl sometimes. The show's continuity was a bit non-existent.]] According to an another episode, ''they built Megatron.'' Don't think about it too much.
13th Nov '17 10:42:50 PM DrakeClawfang
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Sideswipe is insanely popular, despite his fairly generic bio and being OutOfFocus for the entire series. Most people credit this with him having a pretty great toy for the time. Skywarp is in much the same boat.

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Sideswipe is insanely popular, despite his fairly generic bio and being OutOfFocus for the entire series. Most people credit this with him having a pretty great toy for the time. Skywarp is in much the same boat.boat.
** Shockwave is one of the most popular and iconic Decepticons, thanks to his cold, logical intelligence, and striking and unique design and alt mode. His showing in the comics, where he usurps Megatron as leader for a time, also plays a big factor in his appeal.
9th Nov '17 11:42:43 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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*** Speaking of "The Girl Who Loved Powerglide", Astoria Carlton-Ritz seems like a parody of Creator/ParisHilton... but Paris was only four years old at the time it aired.
4th Nov '17 6:42:39 PM FateStayWho
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* FandomRivalry: With the Film/TransformersFilmSeries. While G1 fans have many complaints about the film franchise (many of which are justified), the sheer vitriol with which they bash the movies and [[SacredCow overglorify the series they grew up with]][[note]]which is widely seen as a run-of-the-mill MerchandiseDriven kids' cartoon by outsiders[[/note]] has prompted a lot of CriticalBacklash from fans of the movies.

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* FandomRivalry: With the Film/TransformersFilmSeries. While G1 fans have many complaints about the film franchise (many of which are justified), the sheer vitriol with which they bash the movies and [[SacredCow overglorify over glorify the series they grew up with]][[note]]which is widely seen as a run-of-the-mill MerchandiseDriven kids' cartoon by outsiders[[/note]] has prompted a lot of CriticalBacklash from fans of the movies.



* FoeYay: Megatron never did punish Starscream that much for his disloyalty, usually just a verbal lashing or the occassional physical altercation... until he became Galvatron, that is.

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* FoeYay: Megatron never did punish Starscream that much for his disloyalty, usually just a verbal lashing or the occassional occasional physical altercation... until he became Galvatron, that is.is.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: The show was MerchandiseDriven, and it showed with plots catering to selling new toys. That was clear from the beginning when episodes would often [[RememberTheNewGuy introduce new characters out of nowhere and the show would just treat them like they were always there]]. The decision to kill off existing characters in TheMovie just to make room for a bunch of new characters who were [[RememberTheNewGuy introduced out of nowhere]] for the third season has gotten considerable flak, but the fact is the movie was just an example of a problem that had already been plaguing the show.


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* HypeBacklash: Due to the FirstInstallmentWins attitude of many fans who grew up with this series, especially in response to the backlash towards the live action films, it can be hard for an outsider to see what the big deal is about this cartoon.
17th Oct '17 12:13:14 PM Kervinle2500
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* IdiotPlot: ''A Prime Problem'' is legendary for its story. Megatron tricks Optimus into a hole, but instead of killing him, he creates a lookalike of him. The clone keeps calling Autobots with the wrong names, and for this single episode, so ''does the real Prime'' once he is freed. And how do the Autobots try to figure which is the real prime? Instead of asking them something only real Prime would know, they decide that [[MemeticMutation WE MUST HAVE A RACE]]. The fake Prime gets captured only after he [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness declares that rescuing Spike is unimportant.]]

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* IdiotPlot: IdiotPlot:
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''A Prime Problem'' is legendary for its story. Megatron tricks Optimus into a hole, but instead of killing him, he creates a lookalike of him. The clone keeps calling Autobots with the wrong names, and for this single episode, so ''does the real Prime'' once he is freed. And how do the Autobots try to figure which is the real prime? Instead of asking them something only real Prime would know, they decide that [[MemeticMutation WE MUST HAVE A RACE]]. The fake Prime gets captured only after he [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness declares that rescuing Spike is unimportant.]]]]
** Another is ''Megatron's Master Plan Part 1''. To summarize:
-->'''Wiki/TFWikiDotNet''': "Much like the events of "A Prime Problem", the basic premise of this episode requires incredible stupidity on the part of the players. In this case, however, those players are the entire human race! Thirty seconds of video footage and the crowd outside City Hall is throwing fruit at the Autobots. Why are the public so quickly swayed after the number of times the Autobots have saved them in the past year or so? What kind of kangaroo court would convict on such incredibly flimsy evidence? What kind of absurdly inept trial lawyers would fail to examine every bit of footage available? How could Berger fail to notice Megatron cackling with mad glee as he sends his foes rocketing into the sun?"
14th Oct '17 7:57:03 PM lilithmercy
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* ValuesDissonance: Yeah, see if a fictional arab nation called "Carbombya" is getting on TV these days.
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