History YMMV / TransformersGeneration1

1st May '16 6:37:37 PM whateveryousay21
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** On the inverse is REEDUN, for fans who insist everything be constantly changed and whine incessantly when any new toy, fiction or anything else calls back too heavily to the original series. Yes, they can be almost as bad.


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* TheyJustDidntCare: Probably the only explanation for the hundreds of animation errors in "Carnage In C-Minor".
29th Apr '16 12:17:36 AM CaptainTedium
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** Arcee is either praised for being the first notable female Autobot in the franchise or is loathed for the feminine cliches she's often subjected to.

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** Arcee is either praised for being the first notable female Autobot in the franchise who is a regularly appearing character or is loathed for the feminine cliches she's often subjected to.
29th Apr '16 12:16:04 AM CaptainTedium
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** Arcee is either praised for being the show's only regularly appearing female character or is loathed for the feminine cliches she's often subjected to.

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** Arcee is either praised for being the show's only regularly appearing first notable female character Autobot in the franchise or is loathed for the feminine cliches she's often subjected to.
29th Apr '16 12:13:40 AM CaptainTedium
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* BaseBreaker: [[BigBad Megatron]] - viewed by some as a menacing, {{Badass}} villain, and criticized by others for being a GeneralFailure (at least in the series pre-Movie).

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[[BigBad Megatron]] - viewed by some as a menacing, {{Badass}} villain, and criticized by others for being a GeneralFailure (at least in the series pre-Movie).pre-Movie).
** Arcee is either praised for being the show's only regularly appearing female character or is loathed for the feminine cliches she's often subjected to.
24th Apr '16 9:30:49 AM ACW
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*CompleteMonster:
**[[PhysicalGod Unicron]] is an ancient [[PlanetEater planet-eating]] Transformer that was created by a MadScientist called Primacron. Primacron created Unicron to help him take over the universe, but he rebelled and destroyed Primacron's lab. Unicron travelled through space and devoured many inhabited worlds, including the planet of Lithone. After learning of Optimus Prime's death and his passing of the Matrix of Leadership, Unicron tracked down Megatron and tasked him to destroy it, as it was the only thing that could stand in his way. Torturing Megatron into accepting his deal, Unicron reformatted him into Galvatron and made him more susceptible to his psychic assaults. Galvatron, tired of being Unicron's pawn, tried to use the Matrix to turn Unicron into his slave, but it had no effect in his hands. In retaliation, Unicron started [[OmnicidalManiac destroying Cybertron and attacked both Autobot and Decepticon alike]]. Unicron was eventually defeated by a Matrix-wielding Rodimus and only his head remained to orbit Cybertron, a testament to the [[GreaterScopeVillain Transformer]] that made even the mighty [[BigBad Megatron]] beg for mercy.
** [[TheAntichrist Megatronus Prime]] is known to all and sundry as [[FallenAngel The Fallen]]. If Unicron is the UltimateEvil, than The Fallen is [[{{Satan}} his Archangel Lucifer]]. Created by Primus as one of the original Thirteen Primes, [[FallenHero The Fallen]] became obsessed with the notions of [[OmnicidalManiac entropy and decay]], ultimately attempting to murder his creator after [[FaceHeelTurn betraying him]] to Unicron. Escaping the [[SealedEvilInACan prison he was trapped]] in some seven million years before the 21st century, The Fallen visited the G1 continuity, gathered several Decepticon outcasts and kidnapped four Transformers, through which he tried to channel enough energy to break the Seal of Primus, awaken Unicron, and end all reality, boasting that his victims were but "[[AGodAmI casualties in the wars of the Gods]]." Sharing his master's unquenchable thirst for destruction, [[TheDragon The Fallen]] is precisely the kind of servant that [[GodOfEvil Unicron]] most needs.
20th Mar '16 11:19:27 PM BNSF1995
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* SeasonalRot: Season 3 is widely considered a step down from the previous two seasons due to killing off/writing out most of the old cast in favor of new toys, drastically changing the setting and style, and the animation becoming worse than ever (which can be laid at the feet of South Korean studio AKOM, which often produced subpar artwork and numerous coloring, model, and continuity errors, though with a slightly higher frame rate than Toei-animated episodes). However there are a few episodes that are given seen as really good and some parts of the fandom feel that Season 3 actually made some improvements over Season 2, like having a more manageable cast size or bigger scale plots.

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* SeasonalRot: Season 3 is widely considered a step down from the previous two seasons due to killing off/writing out most of the old cast in favor of new toys, drastically changing the setting and style, and the animation becoming worse than ever (which can be laid at the feet of South Korean studio AKOM, which often produced subpar artwork and numerous coloring, model, and continuity errors, though with a slightly higher frame rate than Toei-animated episodes). However there are a few episodes that are given seen as really good and some parts of the fandom feel that Season 3 actually made some improvements over Season 2, like having a more manageable cast size or bigger scale plots. In addition, Toei churned out episodes with VERY beautiful art, and the episode "Call of the Primatives" remains the best-animated episode of the series; too bad the studio who animated it is still unidentified to this day.
20th Mar '16 11:16:34 PM BNSF1995
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** Starscream being resurrected by Unicron and then being blasted into space is the last we see of him. One favorite fanfiction topic has Starscream returning and creating trouble for Galvatron, or creating his own Decepticon splinter faction.
14th Mar '16 9:20:19 AM SpinAttaxx
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* FoeYay: Megatron never did punish Starscream that much for his disloyalty, usually just a verbal lashing or the occassional physical altercation...[[spoiler: Until he became Galvatron, that is.]]

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* FoeYay: Megatron never did punish Starscream that much for his disloyalty, usually just a verbal lashing or the occassional physical altercation...[[spoiler: Until until he became Galvatron, that is.]]



* FunnyAneurysmMoment: At the end of "Only Human", which takes place in the then-future year 2006, "Old Snake"[[labelnote:*]]who is all but stated to be a future version of [[WesternAnimation/GIJoe Cobra Commander]][[/labelnote]] laments that "they simply don't make terrorists like they used to..." as the episode's villains are taken away. Even beyond 2006, real life has proven that they ''do'' make terrorists like they used to.



* HarsherInHindsight: At the end of "Only Human", which takes place in the then-future year 2006, Cobra Commander laments that "They simply don't make terrorists like they used to..."



** In "Only Human", human Arcee borrowed a motorcycle.

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** In "Only Human", human Arcee borrowed a motorcycle. Later iterations of Arcee, such as in ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime'', transform into motorcycles themselves.



** Rodimus Prime is hated for replacing [[TheHero Optimus Prime]] while failing to replicate the traits that made him such a popular character. He never developed his own leadership style and lost the more interesting HotBlooded personality that he had as Hot Rod. It really doesn't help that, in-story, he was never even supposed to be leader; Optimus explicitly named Ultra Magnus as his successor, not Hot Rod. Then you have wpisodes like "Fight or Flee", in which he displays a ''big'' example of MoralDissonance by blowing up Sandstorm's peaceful planet just to stop the Decepticons getting it, then saying he prefers Cybertron for not being so "perfect" ''to Sandstorm's face as he's grieving''. And this is at the episode's end, so he never gets [[WhatTheHellHero called out on this]]. Fans almost universally consider his best decision as leader to be reviving Optimus and than stepping down from his position. ''Yeah''. Other versions of the character aren't this hated, but ''they'' either don't replace Optimus or keep the "Hot Rod" personality and just change their name.

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** Rodimus Prime is hated for replacing [[TheHero Optimus Prime]] while failing to replicate the traits that made him such a popular character. He never developed his own leadership style and lost the more interesting HotBlooded personality that he had as Hot Rod. It really doesn't help that, in-story, he was never even supposed to be leader; Optimus explicitly named Ultra Magnus as his successor, not Hot Rod. Then you have wpisodes episodes like "Fight or Flee", in which he displays a ''big'' example of MoralDissonance by blowing up Sandstorm's peaceful planet just to stop the Decepticons getting it, then saying he prefers Cybertron for not being so "perfect" ''to Sandstorm's face as he's grieving''. And this is at the episode's end, so he never gets [[WhatTheHellHero called out on this]]. Fans almost universally consider his best decision as leader to be reviving Optimus and than stepping down from his position. ''Yeah''. Other versions of the character aren't this hated, but ''they'' either don't replace Optimus or keep the "Hot Rod" personality and just change their name.
14th Mar '16 9:12:36 AM SpinAttaxx
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* ReplacementScrappy: Rodimus Prime, Daniel and Wheelie, and Galvatron]] in the third season. Each for different reasons:
** Rodimus for replacing [[TheHero Optimus Prime]] while failing to replicate the traits that made him such a popular character. He never developed his own leadership style and lost the more interesting HotBlooded personality that he had as Hot Rod. It really doesn't help that, in-story, he was never even supposed to be leader; Optimus explicitly named Ultra Magnus as his successor, not Hot Rod. Fans almost universally consider his best decision as leader to be reviving Optimus and than stepping down from his position. ''Yeah''. Other versions of the character aren't this hated, but ''they'' either don't replace Optimus or keep the "Hot Rod" personality and just change their name.
** Daniel and Wheelie for replacing Spike and Bumblebee as the Kid-Appeal Characters, but falling into the exact pitfalls that Spike and 'Bee avoided, like being too young and having annoying voices.

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* ReplacementScrappy: Rodimus Prime, Daniel and Wheelie, and Galvatron]] in the third season. Each for different reasons:
ReplacementScrappy:
** Rodimus Prime is hated for replacing [[TheHero Optimus Prime]] while failing to replicate the traits that made him such a popular character. He never developed his own leadership style and lost the more interesting HotBlooded personality that he had as Hot Rod. It really doesn't help that, in-story, he was never even supposed to be leader; Optimus explicitly named Ultra Magnus as his successor, not Hot Rod. Then you have wpisodes like "Fight or Flee", in which he displays a ''big'' example of MoralDissonance by blowing up Sandstorm's peaceful planet just to stop the Decepticons getting it, then saying he prefers Cybertron for not being so "perfect" ''to Sandstorm's face as he's grieving''. And this is at the episode's end, so he never gets [[WhatTheHellHero called out on this]]. Fans almost universally consider his best decision as leader to be reviving Optimus and than stepping down from his position. ''Yeah''. Other versions of the character aren't this hated, but ''they'' either don't replace Optimus or keep the "Hot Rod" personality and just change their name.
** Daniel and Wheelie are hated for replacing Spike and Bumblebee as the Kid-Appeal Characters, but falling into the exact pitfalls that Spike and 'Bee avoided, like being too young and having annoying voices.
14th Mar '16 9:02:35 AM SpinAttaxx
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation - Is Shockwave loyal to Megatron, or a better [[TheStarscream Starscream]] than Starscream himself? Cerebros and his HumongousMecha Fortress Maximus, or Fortress Maximus and his remote-controlled drone Cerebros? Ironfist: geeky AscendedFanboy, or DumbMuscle? Decepticons: stone cold evil or {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s? All these and more depend entirely on your choice of continuity.
** Another of the more noteworthy ones is Ratbat. He's a voiceless servant to Soundwave in the original series, but he was Decepticon leader for a time in the original comics. Later continuities have tried to meld both interpretations for one backstory.
** DR. SMOOV has created a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-ItfWY3xMQ video]] made from scenes from the G1 cartoon that reinterprets Shockwave as a comically poor marksman and buffoon who was left on Cybertron because Megatron wanted him out of the way.
*** DR. SMOOV's ''Transformers'' videos have a lot of this. Optimus Prime is lazy, Wheeljack is an amoral {{Jerkass}}, Red Alert is crazy and TheLoad, Chip is the ButtMonkey, and more.
** Starscream: does he want Megatron's postition, or Megatron's respect? The in-universe explanation is that, while Starscream is a traitorous schemer, [[ReliableTraitor Megatron keeps him because he reminds Megatron of the need to watch his own back and keep his power protected at all costs]].

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation - AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
** Overlapping with DependingOnTheWriter, thanks to the numerous and conflicting (even back in 1984) continuities and depictions of Generation 1 characters, it's rare that you'll find more than two portrayals of the same character that match up perfectly, so how certain characters act all depends on your continuity of choice.
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Is Shockwave loyal to Megatron, Megatron as he is in the cartoon, or a better logic-obsessed [[TheStarscream Starscream]] that's more effective than Starscream himself? Cerebros himself as in the comics and his HumongousMecha Fortress Maximus, or Fortress Maximus and his remote-controlled drone Cerebros? Ironfist: geeky AscendedFanboy, or DumbMuscle? original toy bio?
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Decepticons: stone cold evil or {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s? All these and more depend entirely on your choice of continuity.
Extremist}}s?
** Another of the more noteworthy ones is Ratbat. He's a voiceless servant to Soundwave in the original series, cartoon, but he was becomes Decepticon leader for a time in the original comics. Later continuities have tried to meld both interpretations for one backstory.
** DR. SMOOV has created a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-ItfWY3xMQ video]] made from scenes from the G1 cartoon that reinterprets Shockwave as a comically poor marksman and buffoon who was left on Cybertron because Megatron wanted him out
backstory, where Ratbat is usually of the way.
*** DR. SMOOV's ''Transformers'' videos have
high power before becoming a lot servant of this. Optimus Prime is lazy, Wheeljack is an amoral {{Jerkass}}, Red Alert is crazy and TheLoad, Chip is the ButtMonkey, and more.
Soundwave.
** Starscream: does he want Megatron's postition, or Megatron's respect? The in-universe explanation (at least some of the time) is that, while Starscream is a traitorous schemer, [[ReliableTraitor Megatron keeps him because he reminds Megatron of the need to watch his own back and keep his power protected at all costs]].



** Soundwave is popularly seen as Megatron's loyal YesMan, but his toy bio paints him as an unscrupulous blackmailer who prides on digging up dirt on people and using it against them. Then there's his speech - sometimes his speech is written like his cartoon MachineMonotone talk, while other times his speech patterns seem no different to other characters.



* SeasonalRot: Season 3 is widely considered a step down from the previous two seasons due to killing off/writing out most of the cast in favor of new toys, drastically changing the setting and style, and the animation becoming worse than ever (which can be laid at they feet of South Korean studio AKOM, which often produced subpar artwork and numerous coloring, model, and continuity errors, though with a slightly higher frame rate than Toei-animated episodes). However there are a few episodes that are given seen as really good and some parts of the fandom feel that season 3 actually made some improvements over season 2, like having a more manageable cast size or bigger scale plots.

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* SeasonalRot: Season 3 is widely considered a step down from the previous two seasons due to killing off/writing out most of the old cast in favor of new toys, drastically changing the setting and style, and the animation becoming worse than ever (which can be laid at they the feet of South Korean studio AKOM, which often produced subpar artwork and numerous coloring, model, and continuity errors, though with a slightly higher frame rate than Toei-animated episodes). However there are a few episodes that are given seen as really good and some parts of the fandom feel that season Season 3 actually made some improvements over season Season 2, like having a more manageable cast size or bigger scale plots.



*** Given one Prime is actually controlled by Megatron and none of the other Autobots can tell which of the two "is real" until TheReveal [[spoiler: Megatron's "Prime" angrily remarks about a captive Spike, "HE'S UNIMPORTANT!" which get the Autobots to see he's "phony"--the "Real Prime" would have dropped everything for Spike]] it's understandable.

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*** Given one Prime is actually controlled by Megatron and none of the other Autobots can tell which of the two "is real" until TheReveal [[spoiler: Megatron's (Megatron's "Prime" angrily remarks about a captive Spike, "HE'S UNIMPORTANT!" which get the Autobots to see he's "phony"--the "Real Prime" would have dropped everything for Spike]] Spike), it's understandable.


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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Usually in the cartoon - due to having a strict BlackAndWhiteMorality among the cast, some of the more complex/grey characters aren't as interesting as their toy bios would have you believe. For example, Thundercracker may be an elitist jerk, but he has doubts over the Decepticon cause, and Bluestreak is haunted by the memory of Decepticons destroying his home city, [[StepfordSmiler which he tries to hide with fast talking and an upbeat attitude]]. None of these traits come up in the cartoon, as they're both clear-cut evil/good guys with almost no depth.
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