History YMMV / TransformersGeneration1

2nd Mar '17 8:03:13 AM mlsmithca
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* AccidentalInnuendo: Megatron would turn into a gun to be wielded by another Decepticon, usually Starscream. The implications are staggering.
** In case your mind wasn't dirty enough to get it at first: Starscream holds Megatron in his hands, then pulls Megatron's trigger, making him shoot out.
*** And to FURTHER add to this, the original Megatron toy had his trigger for his [[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/g1-1984/megatron/35/1/61/ crotch.]]

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* AccidentalInnuendo: Megatron would turn into a gun to be wielded by another Decepticon, usually Starscream. The implications are staggering.
**
staggering. In case your mind wasn't dirty enough to get it at first: Starscream holds Megatron in his hands, then pulls Megatron's trigger, making him shoot out.
***
out. And to FURTHER add to this, the original Megatron toy had his trigger for his [[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/g1-1984/megatron/35/1/61/ crotch.]]



* SoBadItsGood: The cartoon in general; similar to ''LiveAction/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', it brought a lot of memorable characters and performances despite its low production values. Although more... ''[[NostalgiaFilter nostalgic]]''... fans tend to view it as SoCoolItsAwesome.

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* SoBadItsGood: The cartoon in general; similar to ''LiveAction/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', it brought a lot of memorable characters and performances despite its low production values. Although more... ''[[NostalgiaFilter nostalgic]]''... fans tend to view it as SoCoolItsAwesome.awesome.



* SoCoolItsAwesome: The voice acting. Say what you will about the series' quality, but no one is willing to dispute the phenomenal voice acting it had apart from [[VocalDissonance Mega]][[BrokenBase tron]] and the various [[TheScrappy Scrappies]]. For a series where StatusQuoIsGod, Creator/PeterCullen, Creator/FrankWelker, Chris Latta and the rest of the cast made major and even minor characters memorable based on their performances alone. Taken UpToEleven with [[TransformersTheMovie the movie]], which also added Robert Stack, [[Creator/MontyPython Eric Idle]], and even gargantuans '''Creator/OrsonWelles''' and '''Creator/LeonardNimoy''' to the mix.



** The episode "Child's Play" as a whole is nothing but [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSGN6NsfUdM animation flub after animation flub]], ending with one of the most infamously animated moments in the series (if not animation as a whole) as the Autobots board the shuttle and seemingly '''''defy physics''''' by clipping through it.

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** The episode "Child's Play" as a whole is nothing but [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSGN6NsfUdM animation flub after animation flub]], ending with one of the most infamously animated moments in the series (if not animation as a whole) as the Autobots board the shuttle and seemingly '''''defy physics''''' '''defy physics''' by clipping through it.
16th Dec '16 9:31:17 AM Psi001
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** Soundwave's most famous depiction as having UndyingLoyalty to Megatron originates from here and stretches across continuities to be his most distinguished trait. Fans are split whenever future writers try and take him in a different direction (like say the opportunistic snitch that his toy bio was). Is it an acceptable reimagining seeing as nearly all characters receive changes and the fandom's become known for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks a negative attitude towards change]] or is Soundwave without the UndyingLoyalty just not Soundwave anymore? Some fans are also willing to point out Soundwave wasn't ''totally'' unflappable in his loyalty in G1 to begin with (as demonstrated in cases such as TheMovie where he does little to prevent another Decepticon overthrowing Megatron).

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** Soundwave's most famous depiction as having UndyingLoyalty to Megatron originates from here and stretches across continuities to be his most distinguished trait. Fans are split whenever future writers try and take him in a different direction (like say the opportunistic snitch that his toy bio was). Is it an acceptable reimagining seeing as nearly all characters receive changes and the fandom's become known for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks a negative attitude towards change]] or is Soundwave without the UndyingLoyalty just not Soundwave anymore? Some fans are also willing to point out make the case that Soundwave wasn't ''totally'' unflappable in his loyalty in G1 to begin with (as demonstrated in cases (using examples such as TheMovie where he does little to prevent another Decepticon overthrowing Megatron).
16th Dec '16 9:30:18 AM Psi001
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** Soundwave's most famous depiction as having UndyingLoyalty to Megatron originates from here and stretches across continuities to be his most distinguished trait. Fans are split whenever future writers try and take him in a different direction (like say the opportunistic snitch that his toy bio was). Is it an acceptable reimagining seeing as nearly all characters receive changes and the fandom's become known for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks a negative attitude towards change]] or is Soundwave without the UndyingLoyalty just not Soundwave anymore?

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** Soundwave's most famous depiction as having UndyingLoyalty to Megatron originates from here and stretches across continuities to be his most distinguished trait. Fans are split whenever future writers try and take him in a different direction (like say the opportunistic snitch that his toy bio was). Is it an acceptable reimagining seeing as nearly all characters receive changes and the fandom's become known for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks a negative attitude towards change]] or is Soundwave without the UndyingLoyalty just not Soundwave anymore?anymore? Some fans are also willing to point out Soundwave wasn't ''totally'' unflappable in his loyalty in G1 to begin with (as demonstrated in cases such as TheMovie where he does little to prevent another Decepticon overthrowing Megatron).
14th Dec '16 5:34:16 AM flamemario12
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** Megatron's gun mode. Was it a great design born from his toy, that turns into a pretty cool weapon for others to use? Or is having Megatron turn into a small gun for others to fire ill-fitting to somebody who's supposed to be the powerful BigBad? It's telling that unlike Optimus, who's almost always reimagined as a truck, Megatron changes radically depending on the continuity, with even his later toys referencing G1 choose a vehicle over a gun. That and the strict toy laws in any country that isn't Japan, since Megatron is a realistic firearm replica, and in Australia, one has to be a registered member of a gun club to even ''own'' a ''Masterpiece'' Megatron.

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** Megatron's gun mode. Was it a great design born from his toy, that turns into a pretty cool weapon for others to use? Or is having Megatron turn into a small gun for others to fire ill-fitting to somebody who's supposed to be the powerful BigBad? It's telling that unlike Optimus, who's almost always reimagined as a truck, Megatron changes radically depending on the continuity, with even his later toys referencing G1 choose a vehicle over a gun. That and the strict toy laws in any country that isn't Japan, some country, since Megatron is a realistic firearm replica, and in Australia, one has to be a registered member of a gun club to even ''own'' a ''Masterpiece'' Megatron.



* FanNickname - Starscream = Screamer, Optimus Prime = Robo Jesus, Megatron = Megs
** Although Skywarp did call him "Screamer" in one episode.
** And Megatron has been referred to as "Megs" on occasion. We're still waiting for someone to call Optimus "Robo Jesus".
** Ramjet, Thrust and Dirge were nicknamed "the Coneheads" because of their cone shaped-heads, at least in the cartoons; their boxart and instructions in the toyline depict their heads as normal-looking Seekers.
13th Dec '16 7:16:16 PM Darthrai
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* AudienceShift: Most current material based on ''Generation 1'', specifically comics, toys, and re-releases of the animated series, is aimed towards fans who grew up with the franchise rather than the children that it was originally intended for.

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* AudienceShift: Most current material based on ''Generation 1'', specifically comics, toys, games (such as ''VideoGame/TransformersDevastation'') and re-releases of the animated series, is aimed towards fans who grew up with the franchise rather than the children that it was originally intended for.
13th Dec '16 7:13:00 PM Darthrai
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* BrokenBase: While G1 is the most iconic incarnation of ''Transformers'' apart from the live-action film series, the ''Transformers'' fanbase is up in arms over whether it was a legitimately good cartoon, a [[SoBadItsGood deliciously corny]] GuiltyPleasure, or a poorly-made [[MerchandiseDriven toy commercial]] that is blindly supported due to [[NostalgiaFilter nostalgia]]. Debates of this type also include how it compares to other ''Transformers'' series.

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* BrokenBase: BrokenBase:
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While G1 is the most iconic incarnation of ''Transformers'' apart from the live-action film series, the ''Transformers'' fanbase is up in arms over whether it was a legitimately good cartoon, a [[SoBadItsGood deliciously corny]] GuiltyPleasure, or a poorly-made [[MerchandiseDriven toy commercial]] that is blindly supported due to [[NostalgiaFilter nostalgia]]. Debates of this type also include how it compares to other ''Transformers'' series. Despite this, modern ''G1''-based material tends to be of fairly high quality in order to appeal to more discerning adult fans.
13th Dec '16 7:08:53 PM Darthrai
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* SacredCow: ''Transformers G1'' was a rather infamous example during the height of popularity of the Franchise/TransformersFilmSeries. The Michael Bay movies suffered from a lot of TheyChangedItNowItSucks from fans and, starting with ''Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen'', would receive extremely negative reviews from critics. As a result, many nostalgic ''G1'' fans would look back at the cartoon/comic series and hold it up as an incorruptible, perfect piece of work due to [[NostalgiaFilter nostalgia]] and the heavy criticism that the Bay movies were getting in comparison, resulting in the "[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/GEEWUN GEEWUN]" meme often used by other ''Transformers'' fans to point out the most ridiculous stereotypes of the ''G1'' fandom. However, this has died down together with the popularity and corresponding HypeBacklash of the Bay movies, and fans instead look back at ''G1'' as an above-average MerchandiseDriven kids' franchise that left a notable legacy behind.

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* SacredCow: ''Transformers G1'' was a rather infamous example during the height of popularity of the Franchise/TransformersFilmSeries. The Michael Bay movies suffered from a lot of TheyChangedItNowItSucks from fans and, starting with ''Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen'', would receive extremely negative reviews from critics. As a result, many nostalgic ''G1'' fans would look back at the cartoon/comic series and hold it up as an incorruptible, perfect piece of work due to [[NostalgiaFilter nostalgia]] and the heavy criticism that the Bay movies were getting in comparison, resulting in the "[http://tfwiki."[[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/GEEWUN GEEWUN]" GEEWUN]]" meme often used by other ''Transformers'' fans to point out the most ridiculous stereotypes of the ''G1'' fandom. However, this has died down together with the popularity and corresponding HypeBacklash of the Bay movies, and fans instead look back at ''G1'' as an above-average MerchandiseDriven kids' franchise that left a notable legacy behind.behind, though this hasn't stopped hate and [[SnarkBait snarky comments]] directed at the movies.
13th Dec '16 7:07:51 PM Darthrai
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* FandomRivalry: With the Franchise/TransformersFilmSeries. While G1 fans have many complaints about the film franchise (many of which are justified), the sheer vitriol with which they bash the movies and [[SacredCow overglorify the series they grew up with]][[note]]which is widely seen as a run-of-the-mill MerchandiseDriven kids' cartoon by outsiders[[/note]] has prompted a lot of CriticalBacklash from fans of the movies.


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* SacredCow: ''Transformers G1'' was a rather infamous example during the height of popularity of the Franchise/TransformersFilmSeries. The Michael Bay movies suffered from a lot of TheyChangedItNowItSucks from fans and, starting with ''Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen'', would receive extremely negative reviews from critics. As a result, many nostalgic ''G1'' fans would look back at the cartoon/comic series and hold it up as an incorruptible, perfect piece of work due to [[NostalgiaFilter nostalgia]] and the heavy criticism that the Bay movies were getting in comparison, resulting in the "[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/GEEWUN GEEWUN]" meme often used by other ''Transformers'' fans to point out the most ridiculous stereotypes of the ''G1'' fandom. However, this has died down together with the popularity and corresponding HypeBacklash of the Bay movies, and fans instead look back at ''G1'' as an above-average MerchandiseDriven kids' franchise that left a notable legacy behind.
5th Dec '16 10:54:17 AM philipnova798
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** The episode "Child's Play" as a whole is nothing but [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSGN6NsfUdM animation flub after animation flub]], ending with one of the most infamously animated moments in the series (if not animation as a whole) as the Autobots board the shuttle and seemingly '''''defy physics''''' by clipping through it.
** The releases by Rhino Entertainment in the early 2000s boasted the use of the original film elements instead of the (finalized) broadcast elements. Unfortunately, this proved to be a curse as these versions were ones that were incomplete. Some episodes, like "S.O.S. Dinobots" and "Heavy Metal War" were greatly affected as a result.
20th Nov '16 7:00:11 PM BNSF1995
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** Megatron's gun mode. Was it a great design born from his toy, that turns into a pretty cool weapon for others to use? Or is having Megatron turn into a small gun for others to fire ill-fitting to somebody who's supposed to be the powerful BigBad? It's telling that unlike Optimus, who's almost always reimagined as a truck, Megatron changes radically depending on the continuity, with even his later toys referencing G1 choose a vehicle over a gun.

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** Megatron's gun mode. Was it a great design born from his toy, that turns into a pretty cool weapon for others to use? Or is having Megatron turn into a small gun for others to fire ill-fitting to somebody who's supposed to be the powerful BigBad? It's telling that unlike Optimus, who's almost always reimagined as a truck, Megatron changes radically depending on the continuity, with even his later toys referencing G1 choose a vehicle over a gun. That and the strict toy laws in any country that isn't Japan, since Megatron is a realistic firearm replica, and in Australia, one has to be a registered member of a gun club to even ''own'' a ''Masterpiece'' Megatron.
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