History YMMV / TransformersDarkOfTheMoon

5th Dec '16 3:54:28 AM Killerikala
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* DracoInLeatherPants: This movie is often cited when people criticize the Movie-verse Autobots, who in turn get the RonTheDeathEater treatment. While yes, Decepticons were trying to repair cybertron, it's unlikely that they would offer the "inferior" humans much of a choice, and it's not even discussed how they'd get humans in Cybertron without them dying instantly. Not to mention that if they really wanted their help, they could have just asked first, and not, well, destroy and take over a city and massacre civilians for giggles. [[Note]]And that's not even going into the events of the previous movies, which involve Blackout massacring soldiers for very little reason and Fallen trying to destroy Earth's sun because he finds humans annoying.[[/note]] Even more, bringing the planet to earth would cause irreversible damage to earth, which would result in even more unnecessary deaths.
29th Nov '16 9:07:18 AM Etheru
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The previous film had [[StatusQuoIsGod said the events at Mission City were covered up]], which was criticized as being lazy and hard to ignore, given the amount of people present. This film doesn't offer a cover up, instead having Cybertronians be common knowledge to the human race now, as well as examining the repercussions to this somewhat.
23rd Oct '16 6:30:12 PM dlchen145
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** Sentinel Prime tends to divide moviegoers into two camps, of which the first sees him as a surprisingly complex character with a really cool design and one of the biggest [[{{Badass}} Badasses]] of the entire franchise, while the other hates him for [[spoiler:brutally executing [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ironhide]] and [[SpotlightStealingSquad sidelining Megatron]] as the BigBad.]]
** Megatron himself veers sharply into this territory. While his BadassDecay is generally agreed to be at its worst here, the fact that it's very much an InvokedTrope that fleshes out his character more redeems him in the eyes of some. In addition, being forced to sit out of direct combat allows him the opportunity to mastermind the impressive BatmanGambit that makes up the first half of the film. That said, the fact that [[spoiler:Optimus takes him down with the absolute greatest of ease]] is generally seen as a slap in the face to the character, especially considering that the alternate ending is seen as a far more redeeming and rewarding one for him that reestablishes him as a {{Badass}}. Despite this, ''Film/TransformersAgeOfExtinction'' shows why ''DOTM'' has the ending that it does--[[spoiler: it's so Megs can stay the badass conqueror he always was and [[JokerImmunity return as Galvatron]]]]--which, while not as "clean" as the alternate ending, at least allows him to persist as the franchise's flagship villain.

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** Sentinel Prime tends to divide moviegoers into two camps, of which the first sees him as a surprisingly complex character with a really cool design and one of the biggest [[{{Badass}} Badasses]] badasses of the entire franchise, while the other hates him for [[spoiler:brutally executing [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ironhide]] and [[SpotlightStealingSquad sidelining Megatron]] as the BigBad.]]
** Megatron himself veers sharply into this territory. While his BadassDecay is generally agreed to be at its worst here, the fact that it's very much an InvokedTrope that fleshes out his character more redeems him in the eyes of some. In addition, being forced to sit out of direct combat allows him the opportunity to mastermind the impressive BatmanGambit that makes up the first half of the film. That said, the fact that [[spoiler:Optimus takes him down with the absolute greatest of ease]] is generally seen as a slap in the face to the character, especially considering that the alternate ending is seen as a far more redeeming and rewarding one for him that reestablishes him as a {{Badass}}.badass. Despite this, ''Film/TransformersAgeOfExtinction'' shows why ''DOTM'' has the ending that it does--[[spoiler: it's so Megs can stay the badass conqueror he always was and [[JokerImmunity return as Galvatron]]]]--which, while not as "clean" as the alternate ending, at least allows him to persist as the franchise's flagship villain.



** It's generally agreed that, like with the previous movie, the alternate ending depicted in the novel and comics [[spoiler: where Megatron pulls a HeelFaceTurn and joins forces with Optimus to kill Sentinel, afterwards leaving for Cybertron to help rebuild it,]] is better than the movie's actual ending. [[spoiler: It would have shown Megs get some of his old {{Badass}}ery back and made his CharacterDevelopment more obvious, showing that he was a WellIntentionedExtremist all along who genuinely cared about restoring Cybertron and would even give up his evil for that end]]. One guesses that this may have been because Paramount wanted to leave him evil so that he can return as a villain for future sequels, [[spoiler: which ''did'' happen after all in ''Age of Extinction'']].

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** It's generally agreed that, like with the previous movie, the alternate ending depicted in the novel and comics [[spoiler: where Megatron pulls a HeelFaceTurn and joins forces with Optimus to kill Sentinel, afterwards leaving for Cybertron to help rebuild it,]] is better than the movie's actual ending. [[spoiler: It would have shown Megs get some of his old {{Badass}}ery badassery back and made his CharacterDevelopment more obvious, showing that he was a WellIntentionedExtremist all along who genuinely cared about restoring Cybertron and would even give up his evil for that end]]. One guesses that this may have been because Paramount wanted to leave him evil so that he can return as a villain for future sequels, [[spoiler: which ''did'' happen after all in ''Age of Extinction'']].
7th Aug '16 9:58:41 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker:

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*** Megatron's aesthetic, particularly his altmode and cloth cloak, is itself a BaseBreaker. Reactions range from "very cool in a rugged sort of way" to "does a good job capturing his fallen-by-the-wayside characterization" to "silly as hell".

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*** Megatron's aesthetic, particularly his altmode and cloth cloak, is itself a BaseBreaker.divisive. Reactions range from "very cool in a rugged sort of way" to "does a good job capturing his fallen-by-the-wayside characterization" to "silly as hell".
10th Jun '16 3:41:48 PM NightShade96
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** This was anticipated with Megan Fox / Mikaela's departure and Rosie Huntington-Whiteley brought in as a new character, as a lot of fans appreciated that Mikaela wasn't a useless screaming love interest and disliked that Rosie was a Victoria's Secret model with no prior acting experience. The potential anger was ebbed slightly when Rosie's character was named Carly after the [[Franchise/TransformersGenerationOne G1 character]] and Rosie herself commented on being proud of being a part of the franchise. But to a lot of people's surprise both Rosie's acting and Carly herself turned out better than expected, as Rosie wasn't a rehash of Mikaela as a blonde and she was consistently cheerful and friendly even through Sam's moody moments in the movie. On the other hand, one ''hilariously'' vicious review said that ''Dark of the Moon'' is the only movie that could possibly make you miss the acting talents of Creator/MeganFox.
\\\It's also clear at times that the script was written as though Mikaela was still in it. For example, the fact that the government is comfortable with Sam bringing Carly into their secret Autobot command base without any prior approval is rather forcefully handwaved, whereas Mikaela would have had the same protection that Sam enjoys, since she was there for all of the events that Sam was present for.

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** This was anticipated with Megan Fox / Mikaela's departure and Rosie Huntington-Whiteley brought in as a new character, as a lot of fans appreciated that Mikaela wasn't a useless screaming love interest and disliked that Rosie was a Victoria's Secret model with no prior acting experience. The potential anger was ebbed slightly when Rosie's character was named Carly after the [[Franchise/TransformersGenerationOne G1 character]] and Rosie herself commented on being proud of being a part of the franchise. But to a lot of people's surprise both Rosie's acting and Carly herself turned out better than expected, as Rosie wasn't a rehash of Mikaela as a blonde and she was consistently cheerful and friendly even through Sam's moody moments in the movie. On the other hand, one ''hilariously'' vicious review said that ''Dark of the Moon'' is the only movie that could possibly make you miss the acting talents of Creator/MeganFox.
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Creator/MeganFox.\\\
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also clear at times that the script was written as though Mikaela was still in it. For example, the fact that the government is comfortable with Sam bringing Carly into their secret Autobot command base without any prior approval is rather forcefully handwaved, whereas Mikaela would have had the same protection that Sam enjoys, since she was there for all of the events that Sam was present for.
17th May '16 1:13:28 PM Chris116
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* BadassDecay: Megatron suffers ''hard'' from this, although this is at least partly justified by his injuries in the previous film (the novelization even implies that he has a third of his brain missing). Throughout the movie, he [[NonActionGuy behaves in a somewhat tired manner and tends to stay away from the battlefield]], all while getting [[TheWorfEffect kicked around by both]] Sentinel ''and'' Optimus ([[spoiler:getting killed by the latter in a CurbStompBattle when he starts actually trying to ''fight'']]).

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* BadassDecay: Megatron suffers ''hard'' from this, although this is at least partly justified by his injuries in the previous film (the novelization even implies that he has a third of his brain missing). Throughout the movie, he [[NonActionGuy behaves in a somewhat tired manner and tends to stay away from the battlefield]], all while getting [[TheWorfEffect kicked around by both]] Sentinel ''and'' Optimus ([[spoiler:getting killed by the latter in a CurbStompBattle when he starts actually trying to ''fight'']]). It's actually a plot point as by the end, Megs realizes he's been slipping big-time and it provokes him into joining the final battle.



*** Megatron's aesthetic, particularly his altmode and cloth cloak, is itself a BaseBreaker. Reactions range from "very cool in a rugged sort of way" to "does a good job capturing his fallen-by-the-wayside characterization" to "silly as hell.

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*** Megatron's aesthetic, particularly his altmode and cloth cloak, is itself a BaseBreaker. Reactions range from "very cool in a rugged sort of way" to "does a good job capturing his fallen-by-the-wayside characterization" to "silly as hell.hell".
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Bruce's extended "red cup" gag is so pointless and forced that it completely falls flat and just slows down the plot.



* EndingFatigue: The final battle goes on for a very long time.

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* EndingFatigue: The final battle goes on for is more like a final ''war'', taking up just about the last hour of the film. The ''actual'' final battle (Optimus Vs. [[spoiler: Sentinel]]) doesn't take place till the very long time.end of the movie. If nothing else, Bay kept his promise about having the biggest action yet!



** The military characters have been considered, by a large few, the more interesting characters when compared to Sam and his useless human supporting characters.



* {{Narm}}: [[FamousLastWords RUNFAAAGH!]] The fact that's it's a stock sound effect from the previous film doesn't help.

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* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
** Optimus' strange sputtering as the Driller sends him flying.
** Bruce Brazos' complete halting of his scene to take down an employee feels very forced and completely falls flat.
** The
[[FamousLastWords RUNFAAAGH!]] used by Sentinel towards the end of the final battle. The fact that's it's a stock sound effect from the previous film film, from ''Megatron'' no less, doesn't help.help.
** Sam's complete meltdown and utterly ridiculous screaming when the security tries to impound his car.
** The actual ending happens in about two minutes. [[spoiler: Sentinel and Megatron are killed]], then Sam and Carly kiss, and Optimus makes a quick speech. Boom, the end, and at the time it was supposed to be the end of the trilogy. Many fans preferred the ending of the first film with scenes featuring the rest of the plot being, you know, ''resolved'' (like Keller dissolving Sector Seven and the Decepticon corpses being disposed of).



** Averted with Mudflap and Skids. In the novelization, [[spoiler: Skids goes down saving Bumblebee from Sentinel and Mudflap goes down saving the group at large from Sentinel trying to avenge his twin's death]]. Fans' reaction to this scene in the novelization actually garnered the pair a lot more sympathy and admiration, but it didn't happen for the general audience with the scene being cut.



* TakeThatScrappy: Narrowly averted the film was going to contain a scene where [[EthnicScrappy Mudflap and Skids]] were killed off [[spoiler: during Sentinel Prime raiding NEST]]. The scene, and their presence in the movie was cut for pacing. The scene does appear in IDW's comic book adaptation of the movie, playing the trope straight.

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* TakeThatScrappy: Narrowly averted as the film was going to contain a scene where [[EthnicScrappy Mudflap and Skids]] were killed off [[spoiler: during Sentinel Prime raiding NEST]]. The scene, and their presence in the movie was cut for pacing. The scene does appear in IDW's comic book adaptation of the movie, playing the trope straight.
23rd Apr '16 7:57:00 PM Anicomicgeek
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** This was anticipated with Megan Fox / Mikaela's departure and Rosie Huntington-Whiteley brought in as a new character, as a lot of fans appreciated that Mikaela wasn't a useless screaming love interest and disliked that Rosie was a Victoria's Secret model with no prior acting experience. The potential anger was ebbed slightly when Rosie's character was named Carly after the [[Franchise/TransformersGenerationOne G1 character]] and Rosie herself commented on being proud of being a part of the franchise. But to a lot of people's surprise both Rosie's acting and Carly herself turned out better than expected, as Rosie wasn't a rehash of Mikaela as a blonde and she was consistently cheerful and friendly even through Sam's moody moments in the movie.
** On the other hand, one ''hilariously'' vicious review said that ''Dark of the Moon'' is the only movie that could possibly make you miss the acting talents of MeganFox.
** It's also clear at times that the script was written as though Mikaela was still in it. For example, the fact that the government is comfortable with Sam bringing Carly into their secret Autobot command base without any prior approval is rather forcefully handwaved, whereas Mikaela would have had the same protection that Sam enjoys, since she was there for all of the events that Sam was present for.

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** This was anticipated with Megan Fox / Mikaela's departure and Rosie Huntington-Whiteley brought in as a new character, as a lot of fans appreciated that Mikaela wasn't a useless screaming love interest and disliked that Rosie was a Victoria's Secret model with no prior acting experience. The potential anger was ebbed slightly when Rosie's character was named Carly after the [[Franchise/TransformersGenerationOne G1 character]] and Rosie herself commented on being proud of being a part of the franchise. But to a lot of people's surprise both Rosie's acting and Carly herself turned out better than expected, as Rosie wasn't a rehash of Mikaela as a blonde and she was consistently cheerful and friendly even through Sam's moody moments in the movie.
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movie. On the other hand, one ''hilariously'' vicious review said that ''Dark of the Moon'' is the only movie that could possibly make you miss the acting talents of MeganFox.
** It's
Creator/MeganFox.
\\\It's
also clear at times that the script was written as though Mikaela was still in it. For example, the fact that the government is comfortable with Sam bringing Carly into their secret Autobot command base without any prior approval is rather forcefully handwaved, whereas Mikaela would have had the same protection that Sam enjoys, since she was there for all of the events that Sam was present for.



** Sam also earned the respect of some when he TookALevelInBadass and [[spoiler: killed Starscream.]]
*** On the other hand, that pissed quite a few of [[spoiler: Starscream's fans off, attributing it more to Starscream suffering from BadassDecay than Sam having TookALevelInBadass.]]

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** Sam also earned the respect of some when he TookALevelInBadass and [[spoiler: killed Starscream.]]
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]] On the other hand, that pissed quite a few of [[spoiler: Starscream's fans off, attributing it more to Starscream suffering from BadassDecay than Sam having TookALevelInBadass.]]



* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: It is up for debate, but the movie does aim to fix the problems that happened in the second film and fans were generally impressed with some of the story twists like [[spoiler: Sentinels betrayal and Ironhides death, Gould's reveal as a bad guy and Carly convincing Megatron to retake his leadership of the Decepticons]].

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: It is up for debate, but the movie does aim to fix the problems that happened in the second film and fans were generally impressed with some of the story twists like [[spoiler: Sentinels betrayal and Ironhides Sentinel's betrayal, Ironhide's death, Gould's reveal as a bad guy guy, and Carly convincing Megatron to retake his leadership of the Decepticons]].
21st Apr '16 3:46:52 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* CriticalResearchFailure: When the Apollo 11 landing site is visited, the upper half (Ascent Stage) of the LM is shown. The Ascent Stage is what the astronauts leave the moon in. It should only be on the moon during the mission, not afterwards. Once the astronauts have left the moon, then only the descent stage/lower half should remain.
22nd Feb '16 4:22:33 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Dylan Gould has spent his adult life aiding the Decepticons in their plans on Earth (saying they're "clients" he "inherited" from his father) and assisting them in their takeover of Chicago, which sees thousands of people gunned down in the streets, all to ensure that he'll be spared. This could just be written off as him being a DirtyCoward, but the moment that has him [[MoralEventHorizon cross the line further]] is when several Autobots have been captured and Gould humbly suggests to Soundwave that they shouldn't be taking prisoners at all. When the pillars have been shut off, meaning the Decepticons' plan has been foiled and he has the option to defect to the good guys and possibly be spared, if jailed, he chooses to reactivate the pillars for no real reason. This is most sensibly interpreted as being done out of sheer spite, even at his own expense, considering the Decepticons have all their human minions [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killed once they cease to be useful]] and will likely do the same to him.
21st Feb '16 8:10:48 PM Clown-Face
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CompleteMonster: Dylan Gould has spent his adult life aiding the Decepticons in their plans on Earth (saying they're "clients" he "inherited" from his father) and assisting them in their takeover of Chicago, which sees thousands of people gunned down in the streets, all to ensure that he'll be spared. This could just be written off as him being a DirtyCoward, but the moment that has him [[MoralEventHorizon cross the line further]] is when several Autobots have been captured and Gould humbly suggests to Soundwave that they shouldn't be taking prisoners at all. When the pillars have been shut off, meaning the Decepticons' plan has been foiled and he has the option to defect to the good guys and possibly be spared, if jailed, he chooses to reactivate the pillars for no real reason. This is most sensibly interpreted as being done out of sheer spite, even at his own expense, considering the Decepticons have all their human minions [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killed once they cease to be useful]] and will likely do the same to him.

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CompleteMonster: *CompleteMonster: Dylan Gould has spent his adult life aiding the Decepticons in their plans on Earth (saying they're "clients" he "inherited" from his father) and assisting them in their takeover of Chicago, which sees thousands of people gunned down in the streets, all to ensure that he'll be spared. This could just be written off as him being a DirtyCoward, but the moment that has him [[MoralEventHorizon cross the line further]] is when several Autobots have been captured and Gould humbly suggests to Soundwave that they shouldn't be taking prisoners at all. When the pillars have been shut off, meaning the Decepticons' plan has been foiled and he has the option to defect to the good guys and possibly be spared, if jailed, he chooses to reactivate the pillars for no real reason. This is most sensibly interpreted as being done out of sheer spite, even at his own expense, considering the Decepticons have all their human minions [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness killed once they cease to be useful]] and will likely do the same to him.
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