History YMMV / Transformers

26th Mar '18 5:24:56 PM MBG159
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** The Thirteen as a concept are known to spark debates. Fans enjoy them for their cosmic importance and grandeur, their beautiful character designs, and the mythic scale they add to Cybertron and its origins. Detractors grumble about the {{Continuity Snarl}}s associated with them, and find the lore and stories attached to them to be decidedly underwhelming. That they tend to show up a ''lot'' from the beginning of Aligned onward only makes the debate louder. (And let's not even get into the idea of Optimus being one of them...)



** Primus vs. Quintessons: Some fans prefer the Marvel Comics origin which says that Cybertron is a shell around an ancient god named Primus, with Unicron also being an ancient god. Primus created the Transformers as a means to fight Unicron some day. Others prefer the cartoon origin which says the Quintessons colonized a dead asteroid, building a mechanical factory planet on it, and building the Transformers as mere consumer goods to be sold to alien races. The machines eventually developed intelligence and ran their creators off to escape slavery. Unicron is also a giant WMD created by Primacron, merely an oversized robot that became too powerful for its creator to control- it's weak to the Matrix because Primacron owned it at the time and built in the weakness as a failsafe.

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** Primus vs. Quintessons: Some fans prefer the Marvel Comics origin which says that Cybertron is a shell around an ancient god named Primus, with Unicron also being an ancient god. Primus created the Transformers as a means to fight Unicron some day. Others prefer the cartoon origin which says the Quintessons colonized a dead asteroid, building a mechanical factory planet on it, and building the Transformers as mere consumer goods to be sold to alien races. The machines eventually developed intelligence and ran their creators off to escape slavery. Unicron is also a giant WMD created by Primacron, merely an oversized robot that became too powerful for its creator to control- it's weak to the Matrix because Primacron owned it at the time and built in the weakness as a failsafe. Fans of the former prefer its mythic scope and scale and the cosmic conflicts it inspires, and lambast the Quintesson origin as silly, boring, and mundane, while fans of the latter find Primus and his lore to be stuffy and self-important, and prefer the idea that the Transformers are just robots and don't need a cosmic purpose.
24th Feb '18 8:24:13 PM FigureGunplaFan
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* HypeBacklash: The decision of Takara releasing unchanged ''Power of the Primes'' toys just for "Unifying the World Brands" (This also previously applies to most of the [[Film/TransformersTheLastKnight 5th live-action film toys]] with an exception of Calibur Prime.), which made some people believe that Takara would ''no longer'' re-releasing the ''Generations'' toys with excellent paint applications.

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* HypeBacklash: The decision of Takara releasing unchanged ''Power recently released toys (''Power of the Primes'' toys Primes'', ''Studio Series'') just for "Unifying the World Brands" (This also previously applies to most of the [[Film/TransformersTheLastKnight 5th live-action film toys]] with an exception of Calibur Prime.), which made some people believe that Takara would ''no longer'' re-releasing the ''Generations'' toys with excellent paint applications.
19th Feb '18 2:43:38 AM Cryoclaste
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* HarsherInHindsight: When Mojo pees on Ironhide in the [[{{Film/Transformers}} 2007 film]], he worries about rusting. In ''[[TransformersDarkOfTheMoon Dark of the Moon]]'' [[spoiler: this is what happens to him as he dies.]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: When Mojo pees on Ironhide in the [[{{Film/Transformers}} 2007 film]], he worries about rusting. In ''[[TransformersDarkOfTheMoon ''[[Film/TransformersDarkOfTheMoon Dark of the Moon]]'' [[spoiler: this is what happens to him as he dies.]]
16th Feb '18 7:43:24 AM FigureGunplaFan
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After ''10 years of criticisms & behests from fans'', the Live-action film universe will reach it's end after the Bumblebee movie, and the [[http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/02/16/transformers-cinematic-universe-current-movie-series-rebooted-358641 film series will be entirely rebooted!]]



** The hollow parts on the modern toys, which they usually believe that they'll affect the quality of the toy.
** Toys with very simplified transformation even though it's for children.

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** The Just about most modern toys (''Generations'', the ''Robots in Disguise (2015)'' toyline or otherwise), mostly the hollow parts on (due to inflation) and the modern toys, "low, poor & breakable" plastic quality, which they usually '''usually''' believe that they'll ultimately affect the quality of toy's "durable feel unlike the toy.
original ''Generation 1'' toys".
** Toys with very simplified transformation even though it's ''it's for children.children''.
3rd Feb '18 3:32:18 AM FigureGunplaFan
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* FandomRivalry: Other than the GoBots fandom, most of the fans can also argue against each other, most notably:
**With the live-action movie fans.
**Which is better: Third Party or good official toys.
23rd Jan '18 6:26:18 PM FigureGunplaFan
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** The''Authentics'' line. While [[EnsembleDarkhorse Megatron & Starscream (somehow, but still disliked by fans due to his nap time-ish undercarriage on his alt mode) toys is excellent on their own]], Optimus Prime & Bumblebee's toys are not well received due to their overly-simplified transformation schemes (with fake chest & limited articulations), and not helping to the fact that they're the size of a Scout Class figure. And combined with the recent upscaled Optimus Prime and Bumblebee toys as well. While some of them are fine with it since it was only aimed for very young Transformers fans, most of the fans believed that Hasbro might have also went to the knock-off route.

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** The''Authentics'' The ''Authentics'' line. While [[EnsembleDarkhorse Megatron & Starscream (somehow, but still disliked by fans due to his nap time-ish undercarriage on his alt mode) toys is excellent on their own]], Optimus Prime & Bumblebee's toys are not well received due to their overly-simplified transformation schemes (with fake chest & limited articulations), and not helping to the fact that they're the size of a Scout Class figure. And combined with the recent figure, and they're recently upscaled Optimus Prime and Bumblebee toys into Voyager-sized (with some added arm joints) as well. While some of them are fine with it since it was only aimed for very young Transformers fans, most of the fans believed that Hasbro might have also went to the knock-off route.



* InternetBackdraft: Find one fan who complains about the hollow parts on the modern toys.

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* InternetBackdraft: Find one fan who complains about the about:
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hollow parts on the modern toys.toys, which they usually believe that they'll affect the quality of the toy.
**Toys with very simplified transformation even though it's for children.
23rd Jan '18 6:23:05 PM FigureGunplaFan
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** The recently revealed ''Authentics'' line. While [[EnsembleDarkhorse Megatron & Starscream (somehow, but still disliked by fans due to his nap time-ish undercarriage on his alt mode) toys is excellent on their own]], Optimus Prime & Bumblebee's toys are not well received due to their overly-simplified transformation schemes (with fake chest & limited articulations), and not helping to the fact that they're the size of a Scout Class figure. And combined with the recent upscaled Optimus Prime and Bumblebee toys, several of the fans believed that Hasbro might have also went to the knock-off route as well.

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** The recently revealed ''Authentics'' The''Authentics'' line. While [[EnsembleDarkhorse Megatron & Starscream (somehow, but still disliked by fans due to his nap time-ish undercarriage on his alt mode) toys is excellent on their own]], Optimus Prime & Bumblebee's toys are not well received due to their overly-simplified transformation schemes (with fake chest & limited articulations), and not helping to the fact that they're the size of a Scout Class figure. And combined with the recent upscaled Optimus Prime and Bumblebee toys, several toys as well. While some of them are fine with it since it was only aimed for very young Transformers fans, most of the fans believed that Hasbro might have also went to the knock-off route as well.route.
23rd Jan '18 6:19:27 AM FigureGunplaFan
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** The recently revealed ''Authentics'' line. While [[EnsembleDarkhorse Megatron & Starscream (somehow, but still disliked by fans due to his nap time-ish undercarriage on his alt mode) toys is excellent on their own]], Optimus Prime & Bumblebee's toys are not well received due to their overly-simplified transformation schemes (with fake chest & limited articulations), and not helping to the fact that they're the size of a Scout Class figure. Because of this, some of them believed that Hasbro might have also went to the knock-off route as well.

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** The recently revealed ''Authentics'' line. While [[EnsembleDarkhorse Megatron & Starscream (somehow, but still disliked by fans due to his nap time-ish undercarriage on his alt mode) toys is excellent on their own]], Optimus Prime & Bumblebee's toys are not well received due to their overly-simplified transformation schemes (with fake chest & limited articulations), and not helping to the fact that they're the size of a Scout Class figure. Because And combined with the recent upscaled Optimus Prime and Bumblebee toys, several of this, some of them the fans believed that Hasbro might have also went to the knock-off route as well.


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* InternetBackdraft: Find one fan who complains about the hollow parts on the modern toys.
21st Jan '18 9:33:38 PM MasterHero
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** Bumblebee. Intially, he was a decently popular character, [[KidAppealCharacter especially among children]], until the movies expanded his role and introduced him to a wider audience. His unexpectedly good reception, which rivalled that of Optimus Prime himself, caused Hasbro give him a heavy presence in later series. This led to HypeBacklash from people who wanted Hasbro to give some focus to other neglected characters, which the movies were guilty of downplaying in favor of Bumblebee. Combine this with his movie characterization [[RetCanon becoming the norm]] for later adaptations and you've got oversaturation of a character that had strayed too far from the source material.
18th Jan '18 9:40:37 AM Spinycemb
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** A similar thing happened when Ultra Magnus got the Masterpiece treatment. One of his alternate faces and hands allows you to recreate the iconic pose of him... failing to open the Matrix of Leadership and cursing at it as he's blasted to pieces by Galvatron's forces.
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