History YMMV / Transformers

22nd Sep '16 11:33:32 PM Millenia
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** Action Masters. From their debut till today, they are still derided for being Transformers who don't Transform, the very antithesis of the brand. Since the debut, however, there has been a bit of fan softening about them, as they provided posable figures who's character models matched closer to the cartoon then their original toys. The In-universe Justifications; the original one being that Nucleon was injected into them, making them more powerful at the expense of their alt-modes, and the ReimaginingTheArtifact in the IDW version (there called Monoformers, bots who forgo their Transformation Cog either due to religious reasons or just damage) have been met with approval, or at least acceptance. The new-characters created for the line all have their own fans, and even get new toys retooled into them today... ''all'' these new toys, however, are able to Transform.

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** Action Masters. From their debut till today, they are still derided for being Transformers who don't Transform, the very antithesis of the brand. Since the debut, however, there has been a bit of fan softening about them, as they provided posable figures who's whose character models matched closer to the cartoon then their original toys. The In-universe Justifications; the original one being that Nucleon was injected into them, making them more powerful at the expense of their alt-modes, and the ReimaginingTheArtifact in the IDW version (there called Monoformers, bots who forgo their Transformation Cog either due to religious reasons or just damage) have been met with approval, or at least acceptance. The new-characters created for the line all have their own fans, and even get new toys retooled into them today... ''all'' these new toys, however, are able to Transform.



** RIRFIB and FIRRIB: what colors are Rumble and Frenzy? Due to switching them for the cartoon Rumble (who's toy was red) became blue and Frenzy (who's toy was blue) became the red one. The japanese dub of G1 switched the character names so they would match their toys, and since then the debate has taken off reaching memetic levels and producing countless jokes. Different comic series, books, video games, all assign colors to them and there's no set consistency. The Tfwiki has a humorous [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/FIRRIB article]] on it. One of the few consensus on the matter is that ComicBook/TheTransformersIDW made a mistake by making Rumble Red and Frenzy Blue and then changing it around for no reason before changing it back, confusing everyone.

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** RIRFIB and FIRRIB: what colors are Rumble and Frenzy? Due to switching them for the cartoon Rumble (who's (whose toy was red) became blue and Frenzy (who's (whose toy was blue) became the red one. The japanese dub of G1 switched the character names so they would match their toys, and since then the debate has taken off reaching memetic levels and producing countless jokes. Different comic series, books, video games, all assign colors to them and there's no set consistency. The Tfwiki has a humorous [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/FIRRIB article]] on it. One of the few consensus on the matter is that ComicBook/TheTransformersIDW made a mistake by making Rumble Red and Frenzy Blue and then changing it around for no reason before changing it back, confusing everyone.
8th Aug '16 10:34:19 AM WhatArtThee
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: There are fans who insist that Hasbro and Takara should only make big, expensive {{toys}} for the adult collector market and ignore those little kids who buy the toys to ''play'' with. Some have actually complained about ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' because it has humor and plots aimed at pre-teen kids, which are the TargetAudience of almost all ''{{Transformers}}'' incarnations.
** Hasbro actually ''tried'' a line of big, expensive {{toys}} for the adult collector, and it didn't sell well enough to keep it going for too long. Turns out the adult collectors are [[SmallNameBigEgo a smaller piece]] [[PeripheryDemographic of the pie]] than they thought, and ''kids'' are in fact the primary consumers of {{toys}}. [[SarcasmMode Who knew]]?
** It's become worse with the release of ''[[GIJoe GI Joe: Resolute]]''. More than a few fans are wanting a ''{{Transformers}}'' series in the same vein due to it.
** ''{{Transformers}}'' scribe SimonFurman complained about this {{trope}} in regards to the dark ''WesternAnimation/BeastMachines''.
*** It should be noted ''just how much of Simon Furman's work fits into this category.'' When the writer of the [[AnyoneCanDie bloodbath]] the Marvel ''Generation 2'' comics became calls something too dark, you know you've taken DarkerAndEdgier UpToEleven.
*** Furman was specifically concerned about the "For Kids" part of this trope. He was very much about darker, more fatal Transformer stories, but he was explicitly writing with an older audience in mind than the cartoon series are marketed towards.
** It's a bit understandable, though, if you look at the premise devoid of context: Two factions of a race of alien war machines come to Earth, their war having gone on so long that battling for the resources our planet can give them to continue the war effort is more important than the war itself. The weakest of them has enough power to slaughter dozens of human soldiers and come away with nothing more than a badly-scratched paint job. At best, their feelings towards us are paternalistic, and they look down with a combination of pity and admiration on those of our species who see it as their sworn duty to defend us from them. At worst, they find us repulsive and enjoy slaughtering us when they have a chance. A sunny kids' show is not what you'd imagine it would look like.
** ''Kiss Players'' is infamous for how ungodly ''not'' kid friendly it is. To give an idea of how bad it was, ''Kiss Players'' is a ''Sailor Moon''-esque MagicalGirl manga. Wiki/TFWiki compares it to '''{{Manga/Narutaru}}'''. The writer/artist of the manga has explicitly said he [[{{Troll}} deliberately designed the comic to shock people for kicks]].

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: There are fans who insist that Hasbro and Takara should only make big, expensive {{toys}} for the adult collector market and ignore those little kids who buy the toys to ''play'' with. Some have actually complained about ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' because it has humor and plots aimed at pre-teen kids, which are the TargetAudience of almost all ''{{Transformers}}'' incarnations.
** Hasbro actually ''tried'' a line of big, expensive {{toys}} for the adult collector, and it didn't sell well enough to keep it going for too long. Turns out the adult collectors are [[SmallNameBigEgo a smaller piece]] [[PeripheryDemographic of the pie]] than they thought, and ''kids'' are in fact the primary consumers of {{toys}}. [[SarcasmMode Who knew]]?
** It's become worse with the release of ''[[GIJoe GI Joe: Resolute]]''. More than a few fans are wanting a ''{{Transformers}}'' series in the same vein due to it.
** ''{{Transformers}}'' scribe SimonFurman complained about this {{trope}} in regards to the dark ''WesternAnimation/BeastMachines''.
*** It should be noted ''just how much of Simon Furman's work fits into this category.'' When the writer of the [[AnyoneCanDie bloodbath]] the Marvel ''Generation 2'' comics became calls something too dark, you know you've taken DarkerAndEdgier UpToEleven.
*** Furman was specifically concerned about the "For Kids" part of this trope. He was very much about darker, more fatal Transformer stories, but he was explicitly writing with an older audience in mind than the cartoon series are marketed towards.
** It's a bit understandable, though, if you look at the premise devoid of context: Two factions of a race of alien war machines come to Earth, their war having gone on so long that battling for the resources our planet can give them to continue the war effort is more important than the war itself. The weakest of them has enough power to slaughter dozens of human soldiers and come away with nothing more than a badly-scratched paint job. At best, their feelings towards us are paternalistic, and they look down with a combination of pity and admiration on those of our species who see it as their sworn duty to defend us from them. At worst, they find us repulsive and enjoy slaughtering us when they have a chance. A sunny kids' show is not what you'd imagine it would look like.
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''Kiss Players'' is infamous for how ungodly ''not'' kid friendly it is. To give an idea of how bad it was, ''Kiss Players'' is a ''Sailor Moon''-esque MagicalGirl manga. Wiki/TFWiki compares it to '''{{Manga/Narutaru}}'''. The writer/artist of the manga has explicitly said he [[{{Troll}} deliberately designed the comic to shock people for kicks]].
16th Jul '16 1:44:45 AM CaptainTedium
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* BaseBreaker: There's a whole cavalcade of characters, many of whom cause strong emotions in people.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: There's a whole cavalcade of characters, many of whom cause strong emotions in people.
11th Jun '16 9:37:36 PM siamesecatman444
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11th Jun '16 9:35:59 PM siamesecatman444
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** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: His portrayal in ''Dark Cybertron'', however, is better received for [[spoiler:being called out by other Cybertronians in all sides [[TakeThatScrappy over his incompetent leadership]], [[TookALevelInBadass Taking A Level In Badass]], and [[MoralityPet his involvement]] in Megatron's [[HeelFaceTurn change of heart]]. Too bad [[AlasPoorScrappy he gets killed off]] in the end.]]

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** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: His portrayal in ''Dark Cybertron'', ''[[TheTransformersDarkCybertron Dark Cybertron]]'', however, is better received for [[spoiler:being called out by other Cybertronians in all sides Prowl, the Dinobots, and Soundwave over [[TakeThatScrappy over his incompetent leadership]], leadership]] back in [[ComicBook/TheTransformersRobotsInDisguise RID]], [[TookALevelInBadass Taking A Level In Badass]], and [[MoralityPet his involvement]] in Megatron's [[HeelFaceTurn change of heart]]. Too bad [[AlasPoorScrappy he gets killed off]] in the end.]]
11th Jun '16 9:31:51 PM siamesecatman444
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* TheScrappy: Bumblebee is starting to develop into this, due to becoming a CreatorsPet. His less than flattering portrayal in ''Robots In Disguise'' under John Barber's pen isn't exactly helping this.
** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: In ''Dark Cybertron''.

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* TheScrappy: Bumblebee in recent continuities (from 2007 onwards) is starting to develop into this, due to becoming a CreatorsPet. His less than flattering portrayal in ''Robots In Disguise'' under John Barber's pen isn't exactly helping this.
** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: In His portrayal in ''Dark Cybertron''.Cybertron'', however, is better received for [[spoiler:being called out by other Cybertronians in all sides [[TakeThatScrappy over his incompetent leadership]], [[TookALevelInBadass Taking A Level In Badass]], and [[MoralityPet his involvement]] in Megatron's [[HeelFaceTurn change of heart]]. Too bad [[AlasPoorScrappy he gets killed off]] in the end.]]
11th Jun '16 9:19:07 PM siamesecatman444
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** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: In ''Dark Cybertron''.
2nd Jun '16 5:26:59 PM Daikun
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* {{Macekre}}: A rare case for ''toys,'' of all things. ''Transformers'' was created from [[http://www.cracked.com/article_19470_6-classic-kids-shows-slapped-together-from-recycled-material.html two completely unrelated toy lines.]]
30th May '16 8:35:47 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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*** A lot of fans are bemoaning the oversaturation of Bumblebee, and wishing [[TransformersArmada Hot Shot]] would make a comeback.

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*** A lot of fans are bemoaning the oversaturation of Bumblebee, and wishing [[TransformersArmada [[Anime/TransformersArmada Hot Shot]] would make a comeback.
27th May '16 6:20:32 AM hullflyer
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* MyRealDaddy: Simon Furman, who breathed new life into the comics, established much of the lore and characterizations for the franchise, and has wrote a good majority of ''Transformers'' comics.

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* MyRealDaddy: Although writer/artist Bob Budiansky created the personalities for most of the original G1 characters, and wrote many of the early comics, Simon Furman, who breathed new life into the comics, established much of the lore and characterizations for the franchise, and has wrote a good majority of ''Transformers'' comics.
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