History YMMV / Transformers

23rd Dec '16 12:57:48 PM datadoggieein
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** TropesAreTools: ...and created a well-loved and more memorable franchise the later went on to produce it own toys.
10th Dec '16 11:06:50 PM DrPsyche
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** The Classics Seeker Mold. When the Classics launched to Fan acclaim, the Classics Seeker mold was considered the de-facto mold for the Seekers, updating the animation models with modern technology to produce Starscream and the rest of his posse, the retools even giving the Coneheads accurate functional toys. However now fans question if the mold has been overused (and also prone to producing more easily broken figures as is the unfortunate fate of molds kept in circulation for long periods of time), and if it should be ditched in favor of the more articulate and sleeker Fall of Cybertron Seeker mold (a design that's also divisive). Such debate has been put to rest with the retiring of the mold come Nacelle and the G2 Starscream.

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** The Classics Seeker Mold. When the Classics launched to Fan acclaim, the Classics Seeker mold was considered the de-facto mold for the Seekers, updating the animation models with modern technology to produce Starscream and the rest of his posse, the retools even giving the Coneheads accurate functional toys. However now fans question if the mold has been overused overused; with Hasbro churning out figure after figure of obscure Seekers or special edition Starscreams (and also prone to producing more easily broken figures as is the unfortunate fate of molds kept in circulation for long periods of time), and if it should be ditched in favor of the more articulate and sleeker Fall of Cybertron Seeker mold (a design that's also divisive). Such debate has been put to rest with not getting into the retiring accusations of mold degradation from repeated uses). While the mold come Nacelle and was eventually retired fans are split between the G2 Starscream.argument over whether it was one of the best uses of a mold with so many G1 accurate figures from it, or whether it was an overdone mold who's age shows in its mid 2000s tooling.
6th Dec '16 12:52:57 AM DrPsyche
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** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: His portrayal in ''[[TheTransformersDarkCybertron Dark Cybertron]]'', however, is better received for [[spoiler:being called out by Prowl, the Dinobots, and Soundwave over [[TakeThatScrappy his incompetent leadership]] back in [[ComicBook/TheTransformersRobotsInDisguise RID]], [[TookALevelInBadass Taking A Level In Badass]], and [[MoralityPet his involvement]] in Megatron's [[HeelFaceTurn change of heart]]. Too bad [[AlasPoorScrappy he gets killed off]] in the end.]]
6th Dec '16 12:50:59 AM DrPsyche
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** Simon Furman has Grimlock, Thunderwing and Bludgeon.
*** While there are more than a few who complain about how he overuses Big Grim, few seem to have any problem with Furman's take on Thunderwing. And as for Bludgeon? The guy's a friggin' EnsembleDarkHorse, proving that even [[CreatorsPet Creators' Pets]] [[TropesAreNotBad don't have to suck]].

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** Simon Furman has Grimlock, Thunderwing As the franchise marches on many start to view Grimlock as one, feeling he's overused, overpowered, and Bludgeon.
*** While there are more than a few who complain about how he overuses Big Grim, few seem
overhyped. They feel his stories just involve "Grimlock shows up and beats up everyone to have any problem with Furman's take on Thunderwing. And as for Bludgeon? The guy's be a friggin' EnsembleDarkHorse, proving that even [[CreatorsPet Creators' Pets]] [[TropesAreNotBad don't have to suck]].badass" and prefer his less powerful incarnations.


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* CreatorsFavorite: Simon Furman had Thunderwing and Bludgeon. He managed to revamp two characters from the Pretender line into legitimate fan favorite powerhouses. Even as the rest of the line fell to obscurity these two survived on and continued playing major roles in future fiction, with Furman himself happily bringing them back for more roles in his stories.
2nd Dec '16 3:30:54 PM MasterHero
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* SacredCow: Optimus, as an icon of popular culture since TheEighties. Many of his fans strongly believe that he's a universally-loved character, and will adamantly defend him from outright criticism.
2nd Dec '16 3:22:52 PM MagBas
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** Upon the reveal at the 2015 San Diego Comic Con, the majority did not take the fact that Combiner Wars Scattershot was not only a(nother) remold of Silverbolt, but that even Computron's torso seemed more like a recolor of Superion rather than a retool (Unlike Galvatronus, which at least received a new head).[[note]]The fact that he was displayed in his Computron form with other figures as limbs didn't help.[[/note]] Many fans are already declaring that the Combiner Wars line has been "DarthWiki/RuinedForever" or that this figure is proof that Hasbro has "[[JumpingTheShark run out of ideas.]]" while others are hopeful that the figure displayed is an ObviousBeta and that the real figure will be displayed with a torso mode that looks more like Computron or are turning towards Takara as their only hope in getting a "proper" Scattershot.

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** Upon the reveal at the 2015 San Diego Comic Con, the majority did not take the fact that Combiner Wars Scattershot was not only a(nother) remold of Silverbolt, but that even Computron's torso seemed more like a recolor of Superion rather than a retool (Unlike Galvatronus, which at least received a new head).[[note]]The fact that he was displayed in his Computron form with other figures as limbs didn't help.[[/note]] Many fans are already declaring that the Combiner Wars line has been "DarthWiki/RuinedForever" or that this figure is proof that Hasbro has "[[JumpingTheShark run out of ideas.]]" while [[/note]]While others are hopeful that the figure displayed is an ObviousBeta and that the real figure will be displayed with a torso mode that looks more like Computron or are turning towards Takara as their only hope in getting a "proper" Scattershot.
23rd Oct '16 2:30:36 PM dlchen145
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** Drift started out as this. The guy read like a laundry list of every bad TF fanfic trope - BadAss [[BadassAngster Angsty]] {{Ninja}} {{Samurai}} with a {{BFS}} who pulled a HeelFaceTurn in a woefully overwrought backstory. The only one he didn't have was (thankfully) any feelings for a human girl. However, thanks to James Roberts' ''More Than Meets the Eye'' ongoing, Drift has been ([[BrokenBase mostly]]) RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap. It also didn't hurt that his [[MerchandiseDriven toy]] was really great.

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** Drift started out as this. The guy read like a laundry list of every bad TF fanfic trope - BadAss [[BadassAngster badass[[BadassAngster Angsty]] {{Ninja}} {{Samurai}} with a {{BFS}} who pulled a HeelFaceTurn in a woefully overwrought backstory. The only one he didn't have was (thankfully) any feelings for a human girl. However, thanks to James Roberts' ''More Than Meets the Eye'' ongoing, Drift has been ([[BrokenBase mostly]]) RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap. It also didn't hurt that his [[MerchandiseDriven toy]] was really great.
22nd Sep '16 11:33:32 PM Millenia
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** Action Masters. From their debut till today, they are still derided for being Transformers who don't Transform, the very antithesis of the brand. Since the debut, however, there has been a bit of fan softening about them, as they provided posable figures who's character models matched closer to the cartoon then their original toys. The In-universe Justifications; the original one being that Nucleon was injected into them, making them more powerful at the expense of their alt-modes, and the ReimaginingTheArtifact in the IDW version (there called Monoformers, bots who forgo their Transformation Cog either due to religious reasons or just damage) have been met with approval, or at least acceptance. The new-characters created for the line all have their own fans, and even get new toys retooled into them today... ''all'' these new toys, however, are able to Transform.

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** Action Masters. From their debut till today, they are still derided for being Transformers who don't Transform, the very antithesis of the brand. Since the debut, however, there has been a bit of fan softening about them, as they provided posable figures who's whose character models matched closer to the cartoon then their original toys. The In-universe Justifications; the original one being that Nucleon was injected into them, making them more powerful at the expense of their alt-modes, and the ReimaginingTheArtifact in the IDW version (there called Monoformers, bots who forgo their Transformation Cog either due to religious reasons or just damage) have been met with approval, or at least acceptance. The new-characters created for the line all have their own fans, and even get new toys retooled into them today... ''all'' these new toys, however, are able to Transform.



** RIRFIB and FIRRIB: what colors are Rumble and Frenzy? Due to switching them for the cartoon Rumble (who's toy was red) became blue and Frenzy (who's toy was blue) became the red one. The japanese dub of G1 switched the character names so they would match their toys, and since then the debate has taken off reaching memetic levels and producing countless jokes. Different comic series, books, video games, all assign colors to them and there's no set consistency. The Tfwiki has a humorous [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/FIRRIB article]] on it. One of the few consensus on the matter is that ComicBook/TheTransformersIDW made a mistake by making Rumble Red and Frenzy Blue and then changing it around for no reason before changing it back, confusing everyone.

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** RIRFIB and FIRRIB: what colors are Rumble and Frenzy? Due to switching them for the cartoon Rumble (who's (whose toy was red) became blue and Frenzy (who's (whose toy was blue) became the red one. The japanese dub of G1 switched the character names so they would match their toys, and since then the debate has taken off reaching memetic levels and producing countless jokes. Different comic series, books, video games, all assign colors to them and there's no set consistency. The Tfwiki has a humorous [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/FIRRIB article]] on it. One of the few consensus on the matter is that ComicBook/TheTransformersIDW made a mistake by making Rumble Red and Frenzy Blue and then changing it around for no reason before changing it back, confusing everyone.
8th Aug '16 10:34:19 AM WhatArtThee
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: There are fans who insist that Hasbro and Takara should only make big, expensive {{toys}} for the adult collector market and ignore those little kids who buy the toys to ''play'' with. Some have actually complained about ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' because it has humor and plots aimed at pre-teen kids, which are the TargetAudience of almost all ''{{Transformers}}'' incarnations.
** Hasbro actually ''tried'' a line of big, expensive {{toys}} for the adult collector, and it didn't sell well enough to keep it going for too long. Turns out the adult collectors are [[SmallNameBigEgo a smaller piece]] [[PeripheryDemographic of the pie]] than they thought, and ''kids'' are in fact the primary consumers of {{toys}}. [[SarcasmMode Who knew]]?
** It's become worse with the release of ''[[GIJoe GI Joe: Resolute]]''. More than a few fans are wanting a ''{{Transformers}}'' series in the same vein due to it.
** ''{{Transformers}}'' scribe SimonFurman complained about this {{trope}} in regards to the dark ''WesternAnimation/BeastMachines''.
*** It should be noted ''just how much of Simon Furman's work fits into this category.'' When the writer of the [[AnyoneCanDie bloodbath]] the Marvel ''Generation 2'' comics became calls something too dark, you know you've taken DarkerAndEdgier UpToEleven.
*** Furman was specifically concerned about the "For Kids" part of this trope. He was very much about darker, more fatal Transformer stories, but he was explicitly writing with an older audience in mind than the cartoon series are marketed towards.
** It's a bit understandable, though, if you look at the premise devoid of context: Two factions of a race of alien war machines come to Earth, their war having gone on so long that battling for the resources our planet can give them to continue the war effort is more important than the war itself. The weakest of them has enough power to slaughter dozens of human soldiers and come away with nothing more than a badly-scratched paint job. At best, their feelings towards us are paternalistic, and they look down with a combination of pity and admiration on those of our species who see it as their sworn duty to defend us from them. At worst, they find us repulsive and enjoy slaughtering us when they have a chance. A sunny kids' show is not what you'd imagine it would look like.
** ''Kiss Players'' is infamous for how ungodly ''not'' kid friendly it is. To give an idea of how bad it was, ''Kiss Players'' is a ''Sailor Moon''-esque MagicalGirl manga. Wiki/TFWiki compares it to '''{{Manga/Narutaru}}'''. The writer/artist of the manga has explicitly said he [[{{Troll}} deliberately designed the comic to shock people for kicks]].

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: There are fans who insist that Hasbro and Takara should only make big, expensive {{toys}} for the adult collector market and ignore those little kids who buy the toys to ''play'' with. Some have actually complained about ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' because it has humor and plots aimed at pre-teen kids, which are the TargetAudience of almost all ''{{Transformers}}'' incarnations.
** Hasbro actually ''tried'' a line of big, expensive {{toys}} for the adult collector, and it didn't sell well enough to keep it going for too long. Turns out the adult collectors are [[SmallNameBigEgo a smaller piece]] [[PeripheryDemographic of the pie]] than they thought, and ''kids'' are in fact the primary consumers of {{toys}}. [[SarcasmMode Who knew]]?
** It's become worse with the release of ''[[GIJoe GI Joe: Resolute]]''. More than a few fans are wanting a ''{{Transformers}}'' series in the same vein due to it.
** ''{{Transformers}}'' scribe SimonFurman complained about this {{trope}} in regards to the dark ''WesternAnimation/BeastMachines''.
*** It should be noted ''just how much of Simon Furman's work fits into this category.'' When the writer of the [[AnyoneCanDie bloodbath]] the Marvel ''Generation 2'' comics became calls something too dark, you know you've taken DarkerAndEdgier UpToEleven.
*** Furman was specifically concerned about the "For Kids" part of this trope. He was very much about darker, more fatal Transformer stories, but he was explicitly writing with an older audience in mind than the cartoon series are marketed towards.
** It's a bit understandable, though, if you look at the premise devoid of context: Two factions of a race of alien war machines come to Earth, their war having gone on so long that battling for the resources our planet can give them to continue the war effort is more important than the war itself. The weakest of them has enough power to slaughter dozens of human soldiers and come away with nothing more than a badly-scratched paint job. At best, their feelings towards us are paternalistic, and they look down with a combination of pity and admiration on those of our species who see it as their sworn duty to defend us from them. At worst, they find us repulsive and enjoy slaughtering us when they have a chance. A sunny kids' show is not what you'd imagine it would look like.
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''Kiss Players'' is infamous for how ungodly ''not'' kid friendly it is. To give an idea of how bad it was, ''Kiss Players'' is a ''Sailor Moon''-esque MagicalGirl manga. Wiki/TFWiki compares it to '''{{Manga/Narutaru}}'''. The writer/artist of the manga has explicitly said he [[{{Troll}} deliberately designed the comic to shock people for kicks]].
16th Jul '16 1:44:45 AM CaptainTedium
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* BaseBreaker: There's a whole cavalcade of characters, many of whom cause strong emotions in people.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: There's a whole cavalcade of characters, many of whom cause strong emotions in people.
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