History YMMV / TorchwoodChildrenOfEarth

8th Jun '17 10:29:07 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster:
** The Ambassador is a member of a race of StarfishAliens called the 456 who [[PoweredByAForsakenChild incorporate prepubescent children]] into their physiology, as their bodies produce hormones that act as euphoric drugs to the 456. The children are kept as perpetually-childlike human reefers, one child shown as having been rendered hairless and immobile as a result of forty years of being used as a drug by the 456. After initial negotiations under falsely benevolent pretenses in 1965, the Ambassador returns in 2009 and bargains with the British government to take ten percent of the world's children under the threat of wiping out all humanity; to prove its power, the Ambassador unleashes a lethal virus throughout the Thames House that leads to the death of almost everyone inside, including [[spoiler:Ianto Jones]]. Although only one member of the 456 is ever seen, the Ambassador shows itself to be exempt from BlueAndOrangeMorality, and expresses callous disregard for the living beings it is harvesting. The Ambassador is [[KnightOfCerebus reflective]] of ''Torchwood's'' [[DarkerAndEdgier darker nature]] and is one of the most disgustingly evil villains to ever come out of the Whoniverse.
** Prime Minister Brian Green calmly allows 10% of the world's children to be sold as narcotics. He orders [[PunchClockVillain Frobisher]], the man who's been most loyal to him, to give up his own children just to make the cover story he's created realistic. This leads him to [[MurderSuicide shoot his family and himself]] to spare them the horror. After all the horror and pain, Green's first thought is how he can blame the Americans.

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* CompleteMonster:
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CompleteMonster: [[BigBad The Ambassador Ambassador]] is a member of a race of StarfishAliens called the 456 who [[PoweredByAForsakenChild incorporate prepubescent children]] into their physiology, as their bodies produce hormones that act as euphoric drugs to the 456. The children are kept as perpetually-childlike human reefers, one child shown as having been rendered hairless and immobile as a result of forty years of being used as a drug by the 456. After initial negotiations under falsely benevolent pretenses in 1965, the Ambassador returns in 2009 and bargains with the British government to [[InvasionOfTheBabySnatchers take ten percent of the world's children children]] under the threat of wiping out all humanity; to prove its power, the Ambassador unleashes a lethal virus throughout the Thames House that leads to the death of almost everyone inside, including [[spoiler:Ianto Jones]]. Although only one member of the 456 is ever seen, the Ambassador shows itself to be exempt from BlueAndOrangeMorality, and expresses callous disregard for the living beings it is harvesting. The Ambassador is [[KnightOfCerebus reflective]] of ''Torchwood's'' [[DarkerAndEdgier darker nature]] and is one of the most disgustingly evil villains to ever come out of the Whoniverse.
** Prime Minister Brian Green calmly allows 10% of the world's children to be sold as narcotics. He orders [[PunchClockVillain Frobisher]], the man who's been most loyal to him, to give up his own children just to make the cover story he's created realistic. This leads him to [[MurderSuicide shoot his family and himself]] to spare them the horror. After all the horror and pain, Green's first thought is how he can blame the Americans.
Whoniverse.
30th May '17 7:23:11 PM WarriorsGate
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* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a ''professional alien fighter'' by trade, Jack Harkness simply swaggers into Thames House and announces "no" to the 456 like a giant swaggering cock, then acts surprised when they [[spoiler: kill everyone, including Ianto.]] One would think he would, I don't know, use science to figure out a weakness beforehand (which is kind of his qualification for the job)?
** Jack was operating with minimal resources (the team was literally operating out of an abandoned warehouse using stolen laptops), very little intel on the 456 and was a wanted man. The biggest idiots were the politicians trying to cover their asses by attempting to eliminate Torchwood. The Thames House staff knew the chemical make-up of what the 456 Ambassador used to breath If they'd put Jack in the loop, used some of the Hub's resources, they could have learned more than the precious little they did already knew about the 456. Identified a weakness or possibly even a planet of origin if the atmosphere required was rare enough.

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* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a ''professional professional alien fighter'' fighter by trade, after Jack Harkness simply swaggers blackmails the government into giving him command his master plan for dealing with the 456 is marching into Thames House and announces telling them "no" to the 456 like a giant swaggering cock, then acts surprised when they [[spoiler: kill everyone, including Ianto.]] One would think he would, I don't know, cock. Rather than use science his newfound government resources to figure out a weakness beforehand (which is kind of his qualification for an actual card to play, he just bluffs and hopes they don't call him on it. When they do, he has the job)?
** Jack was operating with minimal resources (the team was literally operating out of an abandoned warehouse using stolen laptops), very little intel on the 456 and was a wanted man. The biggest idiots were the politicians trying
audacity to cover their asses by attempting to eliminate Torchwood. The Thames House staff knew the chemical make-up of what the 456 Ambassador used to breath If they'd put Jack act shocked as they kill everyone in the loop, used some of the Hub's resources, they could have learned more than the precious little they did already knew about the 456. Identified a weakness or possibly even a planet of origin if the atmosphere required was rare enough.building.
20th Mar '17 6:43:04 PM Wuz
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: Most of the cast and crew felt that reducing the series to five episodes and moving it to what was widely considered a graveyard slot would result in it not being a major success. As it turns out, ''Children of Earth'' garnered ''very'' respectable ratings, is widely regarded as the best out of the four ''Torchwood'' seasons, and is considered by some to be one of RussellTDavies's finest works.

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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: Most of the cast and crew felt that reducing the series to five episodes and moving it to what was widely considered a graveyard slot would result in it not being a major success. As it turns out, ''Children of Earth'' garnered ''very'' respectable ratings, is widely regarded as the best out of the four ''Torchwood'' seasons, and is considered by some to be one of RussellTDavies's Creator/RussellTDavies's finest works.
18th Jan '17 12:59:30 AM jbmasta
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* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a ''professional alien fighter'' by trade, Jack Harkness simply swaggers into Thames House and announces "no" to the 456 like a giant swaggering cock, then acts surprised when they [[spoiler: kill everyone, including Ianto.]] One would think he would, I don't know, use science to figure out a weakness beforehand (which is kind of his qualification for the job)?

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* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a ''professional alien fighter'' by trade, Jack Harkness simply swaggers into Thames House and announces "no" to the 456 like a giant swaggering cock, then acts surprised when they [[spoiler: kill everyone, including Ianto.]] One would think he would, I don't know, use science to figure out a weakness beforehand (which is kind of his qualification for the job)?job)?
** Jack was operating with minimal resources (the team was literally operating out of an abandoned warehouse using stolen laptops), very little intel on the 456 and was a wanted man. The biggest idiots were the politicians trying to cover their asses by attempting to eliminate Torchwood. The Thames House staff knew the chemical make-up of what the 456 Ambassador used to breath If they'd put Jack in the loop, used some of the Hub's resources, they could have learned more than the precious little they did already knew about the 456. Identified a weakness or possibly even a planet of origin if the atmosphere required was rare enough.
16th Dec '16 12:00:52 PM RaustBD
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* UnfortunateImplications: The claims that a Christian woman committed suicide after realising aliens existed and left a note saying "Science has won." [[http://io9.com/5318148/torchwood-day-one-packs-more-punch-than-season-one Are we going to keep going down that route?]]

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* UnfortunateImplications: The claims that a Christian woman committed suicide after realising aliens existed and left a note saying "Science has won." [[http://io9.com/5318148/torchwood-day-one-packs-more-punch-than-season-one Are we going to keep going down that route?]]route?]] ([[https://answersingenesis.org/kids/evolution/aliens-and-the-bible/ To be fair though, there are legitimately many fundamentalist Christian organizations who do indeed believe that the concept of aliens is wholly incompatible with the creation story of the old testament]].)
9th Aug '16 1:54:12 AM Silverblade2
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* HilariousInHindsight: Gwen's "Where is the Doctor" angst at the top of Day Five, in light of Peter Capaldi's casting as the Twelfth Doctor. But it's also...
** HarsherInHindsight: Later on Day Five, there's Bridget Spears' monologue about John Frobisher, in which she says that no matter how history chooses to remember him, he "was a good man." Earlier in Gwen's monologue, she theorizes that the reason the Doctor doesn't save humanity from ''every'' disaster that comes upon it is because he's seen how evil humans can be; "Sometimes the Doctor must look at this planet and turn away in shame." Eventually, there will be a markedly {{Anti Hero}}ic Doctor who wonders if he is a good man or not in his efforts to help others, especially humans...who has the face of an AntiVillain, a good man, who could not bear the shame and evil of one of Earth's darkest hours.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Gwen's "Where is the Doctor" angst at the top of Day Five, in light of Peter Capaldi's casting as the Twelfth Doctor. But it's also...
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HarsherInHindsight: Later on Day Five, there's Bridget Spears' monologue about John Frobisher, in which she says that no matter how history chooses to remember him, he "was a good man." Earlier in Gwen's monologue, she theorizes that the reason the Doctor doesn't save humanity from ''every'' disaster that comes upon it is because he's seen how evil humans can be; "Sometimes the Doctor must look at this planet and turn away in shame." Eventually, there will be a markedly {{Anti Hero}}ic Doctor who wonders if he is a good man or not in his efforts to help others, especially humans...who has the face of an AntiVillain, a good man, who could not bear the shame and evil of one of Earth's darkest hours.hours.
* HilariousInHindsight: Gwen's "Where is the Doctor" angst at the top of Day Five, in light of Peter Capaldi's casting as the Twelfth Doctor.
12th Jun '16 3:10:13 AM OlfinBedwere
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Johnson earned herself quite a few fans during the run of the miniseries, to the extent where some were genuinely upset that she didn't appear nor get mentioned in ''Miracle Day''. Said fans are usually quite happy to overlook the fact that one of the first things we see her do is casually murder Dr. Patanjali simply because [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he was no longer useful]].



* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a ''professional alien fighter'' by trade, Jack Harkness simply swaggers into Thames House and announces "no" to the 456 like a giant swaggering cock, then acts surprised when they [[spoiler: kill everyone, including Ianto.]] One would think he would, I don't know, use science to figure out a weakness beforehand (which is kind of his qualification for the job)?

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* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a ''professional alien fighter'' by trade, Jack Harkness simply swaggers into Thames House and announces "no" to the 456 like a giant swaggering cock, then acts surprised when they [[spoiler: kill everyone, including Ianto.]] One would think he would, I don't know, use science to figure out a weakness beforehand (which is kind of his qualification for the job)?
21st Nov '15 4:20:00 PM Sapphirea2
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* RetroactiveRecognition: A bit of a doozy, as AntiVillain John Frobisher is played by none other than Creator/PeterCapaldi, later to be cast as the [[Series/DoctorWho Twelfth Doctor]]! WordOfGod (or at least of Creator/StevenMoffat) is that this AND Capaldi's ''other'' role in the Whoniverse (Caecilius in the Tenth Doctor story "The Fires of Pompeii") will be explained in a RetCon at some point.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: A bit of a doozy, as AntiVillain John Frobisher is played by none other than Creator/PeterCapaldi, later to be cast as the [[Series/DoctorWho '''[[Series/DoctorWho Twelfth Doctor]]! Doctor]]'''! WordOfGod (or at least of (both Russell T. Davies and Creator/StevenMoffat) is that eventually provided an explanation for this AND and Capaldi's ''other'' role in the Whoniverse (Caecilius Whoniverse, Caecilius in the Tenth Doctor story "The Fires of Pompeii") will be explained Pompeii", via RetCon. Twelve's face resembles Caecilius's because -- as Caecilus and his family only survived the destruction of Pompeii because the Tenth Doctor saved them -- he subconsciously chose it as a reminder to ''always'' save whomever he can, however he can; this is revealed in-universe in a RetCon at some point. key scene in "The Girl Who Died". AllThereInTheManual material continues the story: Frobisher was a descendant of Caecilius, and [[spoiler: his Pater Familicide]] was Time "compensating" for the Doctor's meddling. But that just strengthens the Doctor's determination to not let the fates hold sway over precious lives, giving his choice of face further meaning.
14th Nov '15 10:20:58 AM ACW
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** The 456, while being StarfishAliens, are very definitely examples of this trope. After taking control of all the world's children in order to communicate, it turns out that they use human children in some nasty symbiotic way in order to get high and are bargaining to take 10% of the world's children to use as drugs or else they KillAllHumans. This is a protection racket, and they would almost certainly have been back for more later. One child is seen hooked up to one of them and it's shown that he's been a human reefer for over 40 years. It's really twisted and nasty.

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** **The Ambassador is a member of a race of StarfishAliens called the 456 who [[PoweredByAForsakenChild incorporate prepubescent children]] into their physiology, as their bodies produce hormones that act as euphoric drugs to the 456. The 456, while being StarfishAliens, are very definitely examples of this trope. After taking control of all the world's children in order to communicate, it turns out that they use are kept as perpetually-childlike human children in some nasty symbiotic way in order to get high reefers, one child shown as having been rendered hairless and are bargaining immobile as a result of forty years of being used as a drug by the 456. After initial negotiations under falsely benevolent pretenses in 1965, the Ambassador returns in 2009 and bargains with the British government to take 10% ten percent of the world's children under the threat of wiping out all humanity; to use as drugs or else they KillAllHumans. This is prove its power, the Ambassador unleashes a protection racket, and they would lethal virus throughout the Thames House that leads to the death of almost certainly have been back everyone inside, including [[spoiler:Ianto Jones]]. Although only one member of the 456 is ever seen, the Ambassador shows itself to be exempt from BlueAndOrangeMorality, and expresses callous disregard for more later. One child the living beings it is seen hooked up to harvesting. The Ambassador is [[KnightOfCerebus reflective]] of ''Torchwood's'' [[DarkerAndEdgier darker nature]] and is one of them and it's shown that he's been a human reefer for over 40 years. It's really twisted and nasty.the most disgustingly evil villains to ever come out of the Whoniverse.
5th Sep '15 7:38:56 AM Sapphirea2
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** HarsherInHindsight: Later on Day Five, there's Bridget Spears' monologue about John Frobisher, in which she says that no matter how history chooses to remember him, he "was a good man." Earlier in Gwen's monologue, she theorizes that the reason the Doctor doesn't save humanity from ''every'' disaster that comes upon it is because he's seen how evil humans can be; "Sometimes the Doctor must look at this planet and turn away in shame." Eventually, there will be a markedly {{Anti Hero}}ic Doctor who wonders if he is a good man or not in his efforts to help others, especially humans...who has the face of an AntiVillain, a good man, who could not bear the shame of one of Earth's darkest hours.

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** HarsherInHindsight: Later on Day Five, there's Bridget Spears' monologue about John Frobisher, in which she says that no matter how history chooses to remember him, he "was a good man." Earlier in Gwen's monologue, she theorizes that the reason the Doctor doesn't save humanity from ''every'' disaster that comes upon it is because he's seen how evil humans can be; "Sometimes the Doctor must look at this planet and turn away in shame." Eventually, there will be a markedly {{Anti Hero}}ic Doctor who wonders if he is a good man or not in his efforts to help others, especially humans...who has the face of an AntiVillain, a good man, who could not bear the shame and evil of one of Earth's darkest hours.
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