History YMMV / TorchwoodChildrenOfEarth

9th Aug '16 1:54:12 AM Silverblade2
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* HilariousInHindsight: Gwen's "Where is the Doctor" angst at the top of Day Five, in light of Peter Capaldi's casting as the Twelfth Doctor. But it's also...
** HarsherInHindsight: Later on Day Five, there's Bridget Spears' monologue about John Frobisher, in which she says that no matter how history chooses to remember him, he "was a good man." Earlier in Gwen's monologue, she theorizes that the reason the Doctor doesn't save humanity from ''every'' disaster that comes upon it is because he's seen how evil humans can be; "Sometimes the Doctor must look at this planet and turn away in shame." Eventually, there will be a markedly {{Anti Hero}}ic Doctor who wonders if he is a good man or not in his efforts to help others, especially humans...who has the face of an AntiVillain, a good man, who could not bear the shame and evil of one of Earth's darkest hours.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Gwen's "Where is the Doctor" angst at the top of Day Five, in light of Peter Capaldi's casting as the Twelfth Doctor. But it's also...
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HarsherInHindsight: Later on Day Five, there's Bridget Spears' monologue about John Frobisher, in which she says that no matter how history chooses to remember him, he "was a good man." Earlier in Gwen's monologue, she theorizes that the reason the Doctor doesn't save humanity from ''every'' disaster that comes upon it is because he's seen how evil humans can be; "Sometimes the Doctor must look at this planet and turn away in shame." Eventually, there will be a markedly {{Anti Hero}}ic Doctor who wonders if he is a good man or not in his efforts to help others, especially humans...who has the face of an AntiVillain, a good man, who could not bear the shame and evil of one of Earth's darkest hours.hours.
* HilariousInHindsight: Gwen's "Where is the Doctor" angst at the top of Day Five, in light of Peter Capaldi's casting as the Twelfth Doctor.
12th Jun '16 3:10:13 AM OlfinBedwere
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Johnson earned herself quite a few fans during the run of the miniseries, to the extent where some were genuinely upset that she didn't appear nor get mentioned in ''Miracle Day''. Said fans are usually quite happy to overlook the fact that one of the first things we see her do is casually murder Dr. Patanjali simply because [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he was no longer useful]].



* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a ''professional alien fighter'' by trade, Jack Harkness simply swaggers into Thames House and announces "no" to the 456 like a giant swaggering cock, then acts surprised when they [[spoiler: kill everyone, including Ianto.]] One would think he would, I don't know, use science to figure out a weakness beforehand (which is kind of his qualification for the job)?

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* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a ''professional alien fighter'' by trade, Jack Harkness simply swaggers into Thames House and announces "no" to the 456 like a giant swaggering cock, then acts surprised when they [[spoiler: kill everyone, including Ianto.]] One would think he would, I don't know, use science to figure out a weakness beforehand (which is kind of his qualification for the job)?
21st Nov '15 4:20:00 PM Sapphirea2
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* RetroactiveRecognition: A bit of a doozy, as AntiVillain John Frobisher is played by none other than Creator/PeterCapaldi, later to be cast as the [[Series/DoctorWho Twelfth Doctor]]! WordOfGod (or at least of Creator/StevenMoffat) is that this AND Capaldi's ''other'' role in the Whoniverse (Caecilius in the Tenth Doctor story "The Fires of Pompeii") will be explained in a RetCon at some point.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: A bit of a doozy, as AntiVillain John Frobisher is played by none other than Creator/PeterCapaldi, later to be cast as the [[Series/DoctorWho '''[[Series/DoctorWho Twelfth Doctor]]! Doctor]]'''! WordOfGod (or at least of (both Russell T. Davies and Creator/StevenMoffat) is that eventually provided an explanation for this AND and Capaldi's ''other'' role in the Whoniverse (Caecilius Whoniverse, Caecilius in the Tenth Doctor story "The Fires of Pompeii") will be explained Pompeii", via RetCon. Twelve's face resembles Caecilius's because -- as Caecilus and his family only survived the destruction of Pompeii because the Tenth Doctor saved them -- he subconsciously chose it as a reminder to ''always'' save whomever he can, however he can; this is revealed in-universe in a RetCon at some point. key scene in "The Girl Who Died". AllThereInTheManual material continues the story: Frobisher was a descendant of Caecilius, and [[spoiler: his Pater Familicide]] was Time "compensating" for the Doctor's meddling. But that just strengthens the Doctor's determination to not let the fates hold sway over precious lives, giving his choice of face further meaning.
14th Nov '15 10:20:58 AM ACW
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** The 456, while being StarfishAliens, are very definitely examples of this trope. After taking control of all the world's children in order to communicate, it turns out that they use human children in some nasty symbiotic way in order to get high and are bargaining to take 10% of the world's children to use as drugs or else they KillAllHumans. This is a protection racket, and they would almost certainly have been back for more later. One child is seen hooked up to one of them and it's shown that he's been a human reefer for over 40 years. It's really twisted and nasty.

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** **The Ambassador is a member of a race of StarfishAliens called the 456 who [[PoweredByAForsakenChild incorporate prepubescent children]] into their physiology, as their bodies produce hormones that act as euphoric drugs to the 456. The 456, while being StarfishAliens, are very definitely examples of this trope. After taking control of all the world's children in order to communicate, it turns out that they use are kept as perpetually-childlike human children in some nasty symbiotic way in order to get high reefers, one child shown as having been rendered hairless and are bargaining immobile as a result of forty years of being used as a drug by the 456. After initial negotiations under falsely benevolent pretenses in 1965, the Ambassador returns in 2009 and bargains with the British government to take 10% ten percent of the world's children under the threat of wiping out all humanity; to use as drugs or else they KillAllHumans. This is prove its power, the Ambassador unleashes a protection racket, and they would lethal virus throughout the Thames House that leads to the death of almost certainly have been back everyone inside, including [[spoiler:Ianto Jones]]. Although only one member of the 456 is ever seen, the Ambassador shows itself to be exempt from BlueAndOrangeMorality, and expresses callous disregard for more later. One child the living beings it is seen hooked up to harvesting. The Ambassador is [[KnightOfCerebus reflective]] of ''Torchwood's'' [[DarkerAndEdgier darker nature]] and is one of them and it's shown that he's been a human reefer for over 40 years. It's really twisted and nasty.the most disgustingly evil villains to ever come out of the Whoniverse.
5th Sep '15 7:38:56 AM Sapphirea2
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** HarsherInHindsight: Later on Day Five, there's Bridget Spears' monologue about John Frobisher, in which she says that no matter how history chooses to remember him, he "was a good man." Earlier in Gwen's monologue, she theorizes that the reason the Doctor doesn't save humanity from ''every'' disaster that comes upon it is because he's seen how evil humans can be; "Sometimes the Doctor must look at this planet and turn away in shame." Eventually, there will be a markedly {{Anti Hero}}ic Doctor who wonders if he is a good man or not in his efforts to help others, especially humans...who has the face of an AntiVillain, a good man, who could not bear the shame of one of Earth's darkest hours.

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** HarsherInHindsight: Later on Day Five, there's Bridget Spears' monologue about John Frobisher, in which she says that no matter how history chooses to remember him, he "was a good man." Earlier in Gwen's monologue, she theorizes that the reason the Doctor doesn't save humanity from ''every'' disaster that comes upon it is because he's seen how evil humans can be; "Sometimes the Doctor must look at this planet and turn away in shame." Eventually, there will be a markedly {{Anti Hero}}ic Doctor who wonders if he is a good man or not in his efforts to help others, especially humans...who has the face of an AntiVillain, a good man, who could not bear the shame and evil of one of Earth's darkest hours.
5th Sep '15 7:37:51 AM Sapphirea2
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* HilariousInHindsight: Gwen's "Where is the Doctor" angst, in light of Peter Capaldi's casting as the Twelfth Doctor.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Gwen's "Where is the Doctor" angst, angst at the top of Day Five, in light of Peter Capaldi's casting as the Twelfth Doctor.Doctor. But it's also...
** HarsherInHindsight: Later on Day Five, there's Bridget Spears' monologue about John Frobisher, in which she says that no matter how history chooses to remember him, he "was a good man." Earlier in Gwen's monologue, she theorizes that the reason the Doctor doesn't save humanity from ''every'' disaster that comes upon it is because he's seen how evil humans can be; "Sometimes the Doctor must look at this planet and turn away in shame." Eventually, there will be a markedly {{Anti Hero}}ic Doctor who wonders if he is a good man or not in his efforts to help others, especially humans...who has the face of an AntiVillain, a good man, who could not bear the shame of one of Earth's darkest hours.



* PlayingAgainstType: Peter Capaldi is best known for playing MagnificentBastard AntiHero Malcolm Tucker in ''Series/TheThickOfIt'' -- a man with no scruples or shame over the corrupt government he works for. In ''Children Of Earth'' he plays John Frobisher, a ButtMonkey AntiVillain who is so ashamed of his governments' acts he [[spoiler:commits suicide after murdering his family]] to spare his family from [[spoiler:being turned over to the 456]]. The two characters are polar opposites.
* RetroactiveRecognition: A bit of a doozy, as AntiVillain John Frobisher is played by none other than Creator/PeterCapaldi, later to be cast as the [[Series/DoctorWho Twelfth Doctor]]! WordOfGod (or at least of Creator/StevenMoffat) is that this will be explained in a RetCon at some point.
* UnfortunateImplications: The claims that a Christian Woman committed suicide after realising aliens existed and left a note saying "Science has won." [[http://io9.com/5318148/torchwood-day-one-packs-more-punch-than-season-one Are we going to keep going down that route?]]
* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a ''professional alien fighter'' by trade, Jack Harkness simply swaggers into Thames House and announces "no" to the 456 like a giant swaggering cock, then acts surprised when they [[spoiler: kill everyone, including Ianto.]] One would think he would, I don't know, use science to figure out a weakness beforehand (which is kind of his qualification for the job)?

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* PlayingAgainstType: At the time this was made, Peter Capaldi is was best known for playing MagnificentBastard AntiHero Malcolm Tucker in ''Series/TheThickOfIt'' -- a man with no scruples or shame over the corrupt government he works for. In ''Children Of Earth'' he plays John Frobisher, a ButtMonkey AntiVillain who is so ashamed of his governments' government's acts he [[spoiler:commits suicide after murdering his family]] to spare his family from [[spoiler:being turned over to the 456]]. The two characters are polar opposites.
opposites.
* RetroactiveRecognition: A bit of a doozy, as AntiVillain John Frobisher is played by none other than Creator/PeterCapaldi, later to be cast as the [[Series/DoctorWho Twelfth Doctor]]! WordOfGod (or at least of Creator/StevenMoffat) is that this AND Capaldi's ''other'' role in the Whoniverse (Caecilius in the Tenth Doctor story "The Fires of Pompeii") will be explained in a RetCon at some point.
* UnfortunateImplications: The claims that a Christian Woman woman committed suicide after realising aliens existed and left a note saying "Science has won." [[http://io9.com/5318148/torchwood-day-one-packs-more-punch-than-season-one Are we going to keep going down that route?]]
* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a ''professional alien fighter'' by trade, Jack Harkness simply swaggers into Thames House and announces "no" to the 456 like a giant swaggering cock, then acts surprised when they [[spoiler: kill everyone, including Ianto.]] One would think he would, I don't know, use science to figure out a weakness beforehand (which is kind of his qualification for the job)?
18th Apr '15 4:07:54 PM dawnmarie
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: Most of the cast and crew felt that reducing the series to five episodes and moving it to what was widely considered a graveyard slot would result in it not being a major success. As it turns out, ''Children of Earth'' garnered ''very'' respectable ratings, is widely regarded as the best out of the four ''Torchwood'' seasons, and is considered by some to be one of RussellTDavies's finest works.


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* PlayingAgainstType: Peter Capaldi is best known for playing MagnificentBastard AntiHero Malcolm Tucker in ''Series/TheThickOfIt'' -- a man with no scruples or shame over the corrupt government he works for. In ''Children Of Earth'' he plays John Frobisher, a ButtMonkey AntiVillain who is so ashamed of his governments' acts he [[spoiler:commits suicide after murdering his family]] to spare his family from [[spoiler:being turned over to the 456]]. The two characters are polar opposites.
30th Mar '15 6:20:29 PM JadeEyes1
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** Nope. The cheap shots begin religious and non-religious factions tend to go both ways in media. Generally because of a lack of understanding and/or empathy between either party's views and someone skewing it out of proportion.
11th Jan '15 7:25:01 PM Jeduthun
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* RetroactiveRecognition: A bit of a doozy, as AntiVillain John Frobisher is played by none other than Creator/PeterCapaldi, later to be cast as the [[Series/DoctorWho Twelfth Doctor]]! WordOfGod (or at least of Creator/StevenMoffat) is that this will be explained in a RetCon at some point.
11th Sep '14 2:36:00 PM WarriorsGate
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** Nope. The cheap shots begin religious and non-religious factions tend to go both ways in media. Generally because of a lack of understanding and/or empathy between either party's views and someone skewing it out of proportion.

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** Nope. The cheap shots begin religious and non-religious factions tend to go both ways in media. Generally because of a lack of understanding and/or empathy between either party's views and someone skewing it out of proportion.proportion.
* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a ''professional alien fighter'' by trade, Jack Harkness simply swaggers into Thames House and announces "no" to the 456 like a giant swaggering cock, then acts surprised when they [[spoiler: kill everyone, including Ianto.]] One would think he would, I don't know, use science to figure out a weakness beforehand (which is kind of his qualification for the job)?
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