History YMMV / TorchwoodChildrenOfEarth

5th May '18 4:19:31 PM WarriorsGate
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* RetroactiveRecognition: A bit of a doozy, as AntiVillain John Frobisher is played by none other than Creator/PeterCapaldi, later to be cast as the '''[[Series/DoctorWho Twelfth Doctor]]'''! WordOfGod (both Russell T. Davies and Creator/StevenMoffat) eventually provided an explanation for this and Capaldi's ''other'' role in the Whoniverse, Caecilius in the Tenth Doctor story "The Fires of Pompeii", via RetCon. Twelve's face resembles Caecilius's because -- as Caecilus and his family only survived the destruction of Pompeii because the Tenth Doctor saved them -- he subconsciously chose it as a reminder to ''always'' save whomever he can, however he can; this is revealed in-universe in a key scene in "The Girl Who Died". AllThereInTheManual material continues the story: Frobisher was a descendant of Caecilius, and [[spoiler: his Pater Familicide]] was Time "compensating" for the Doctor's meddling. But that just strengthens the Doctor's determination to not let the fates hold sway over precious lives, giving his choice of face further meaning.



* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a professional alien fighter by trade, after Jack Harkness blackmails the government into giving him command his master plan for dealing with the 456 is marching into Thames House and telling them "no" like a giant swaggering cock. Rather than use his newfound government resources to figure out an actual card to play, he just bluffs and hopes they don't call him on it. When they do, he has the audacity to act shocked as they kill everyone in the building.

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* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being Jack Harkness, a professional alien fighter by trade, after Jack Harkness blackmails has just blackmailed the duplicitious, backstabbing British government into giving letting him command his master plan for dealing with handle an alien race who can create deadly plagues and are demanding 10% of the 456 is marching planet's children.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Harkness, drawing on over a century of fighting aliens, would pour all the government's resources into researching the threat in the hopes of finding a weakness or some sort of trump card they could play (as he does ''in the very next episode'').\\
'''Instead''': He marches
into Thames House and telling them tells the deadly alien bioengineers "no" like a giant swaggering cock. Rather than use his newfound government resources to figure out an actual cock without any sort of card to play, he just bluffs and hopes they don't call him on it. When they do, he then has the audacity to act shocked as when they kill everyone in the building.building with a deadly bioweapon.
5th May '18 1:47:59 PM WarriorsGate
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** Pardon me, but isn't that what he has seen the doctor do? The moment when he first met the doctor comes to mind, particularly the ending of 'The Empty Child'
28th Jan '18 5:49:21 AM HaloAk
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** Pardon me, but isn't that what he has seen the doctor do? The moment when he first met the doctor comes to mind, particularly the ending of 'The Empty Child'
25th Nov '17 7:12:21 PM TheNameIsntImportant
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* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a professional alien fighter by trade, after Jack Harkness blackmails the government into giving him command his master plan for dealing with the 456 is marching into Thames House and telling them "no" like a giant swaggering cock. Rather than use his newfound government resources to figure out an actual card to play, he just bluffs and hopes they don't call him on it. When they do, he has the audacity to act shocked as they kill everyone in the building.

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* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a professional alien fighter by trade, after Jack Harkness blackmails the government into giving him command his master plan for dealing with the 456 is marching into Thames House and telling them "no" like a giant swaggering cock. Rather than use his newfound government resources to figure out an actual card to play, he just bluffs and hopes they don't call him on it. When they do, he has the audacity to act shocked as they kill everyone in the building.building.
* YouLookFamiliar: The series prominently features the later Twelfth Doctor as its AntiVillain.
5th Nov '17 1:49:18 AM Vampireandthen
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** Surely, after the incidents at Christmas, two years in a row running with alien invasions, you would expect people to be a bit more open.... especially after Canary Wharf.
1st Sep '17 3:25:54 AM JamesSwann
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* AccidentalInnuendo: The 456 control the Earth's children repeating the message "We are coming.". That's right, accidental innuendo on ''Torchwood''.

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* AccidentalInnuendo: The 456 control the Earth's children repeating the message "We are coming.". That's right, accidental ''accidental'' innuendo on ''Torchwood''.''Torchwood''. Usually, they're deliberate!
17th Aug '17 1:49:03 AM Malachi108
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* HilariousInHindsight: Gwen's "Where is the Doctor" angst at the top of Day Five, in light of Peter Capaldi's casting as the Twelfth Doctor.

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* HilariousInHindsight: It's impossible to take Gwen's "Where is the Doctor" angst at the top beginning of Day Five, in light of Five seriously anymore, seeing how Peter Capaldi's casting Capaldi, cast as the Twelfth Doctor.Doctor years later, is walking around playing another character.
8th Jun '17 10:29:07 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster:
** The Ambassador is a member of a race of StarfishAliens called the 456 who [[PoweredByAForsakenChild incorporate prepubescent children]] into their physiology, as their bodies produce hormones that act as euphoric drugs to the 456. The children are kept as perpetually-childlike human reefers, one child shown as having been rendered hairless and immobile as a result of forty years of being used as a drug by the 456. After initial negotiations under falsely benevolent pretenses in 1965, the Ambassador returns in 2009 and bargains with the British government to take ten percent of the world's children under the threat of wiping out all humanity; to prove its power, the Ambassador unleashes a lethal virus throughout the Thames House that leads to the death of almost everyone inside, including [[spoiler:Ianto Jones]]. Although only one member of the 456 is ever seen, the Ambassador shows itself to be exempt from BlueAndOrangeMorality, and expresses callous disregard for the living beings it is harvesting. The Ambassador is [[KnightOfCerebus reflective]] of ''Torchwood's'' [[DarkerAndEdgier darker nature]] and is one of the most disgustingly evil villains to ever come out of the Whoniverse.
** Prime Minister Brian Green calmly allows 10% of the world's children to be sold as narcotics. He orders [[PunchClockVillain Frobisher]], the man who's been most loyal to him, to give up his own children just to make the cover story he's created realistic. This leads him to [[MurderSuicide shoot his family and himself]] to spare them the horror. After all the horror and pain, Green's first thought is how he can blame the Americans.

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* CompleteMonster:
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CompleteMonster: [[BigBad The Ambassador Ambassador]] is a member of a race of StarfishAliens called the 456 who [[PoweredByAForsakenChild incorporate prepubescent children]] into their physiology, as their bodies produce hormones that act as euphoric drugs to the 456. The children are kept as perpetually-childlike human reefers, one child shown as having been rendered hairless and immobile as a result of forty years of being used as a drug by the 456. After initial negotiations under falsely benevolent pretenses in 1965, the Ambassador returns in 2009 and bargains with the British government to [[InvasionOfTheBabySnatchers take ten percent of the world's children children]] under the threat of wiping out all humanity; to prove its power, the Ambassador unleashes a lethal virus throughout the Thames House that leads to the death of almost everyone inside, including [[spoiler:Ianto Jones]]. Although only one member of the 456 is ever seen, the Ambassador shows itself to be exempt from BlueAndOrangeMorality, and expresses callous disregard for the living beings it is harvesting. The Ambassador is [[KnightOfCerebus reflective]] of ''Torchwood's'' [[DarkerAndEdgier darker nature]] and is one of the most disgustingly evil villains to ever come out of the Whoniverse.
** Prime Minister Brian Green calmly allows 10% of the world's children to be sold as narcotics. He orders [[PunchClockVillain Frobisher]], the man who's been most loyal to him, to give up his own children just to make the cover story he's created realistic. This leads him to [[MurderSuicide shoot his family and himself]] to spare them the horror. After all the horror and pain, Green's first thought is how he can blame the Americans.
Whoniverse.
30th May '17 7:23:11 PM WarriorsGate
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* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a ''professional alien fighter'' by trade, Jack Harkness simply swaggers into Thames House and announces "no" to the 456 like a giant swaggering cock, then acts surprised when they [[spoiler: kill everyone, including Ianto.]] One would think he would, I don't know, use science to figure out a weakness beforehand (which is kind of his qualification for the job)?
** Jack was operating with minimal resources (the team was literally operating out of an abandoned warehouse using stolen laptops), very little intel on the 456 and was a wanted man. The biggest idiots were the politicians trying to cover their asses by attempting to eliminate Torchwood. The Thames House staff knew the chemical make-up of what the 456 Ambassador used to breath If they'd put Jack in the loop, used some of the Hub's resources, they could have learned more than the precious little they did already knew about the 456. Identified a weakness or possibly even a planet of origin if the atmosphere required was rare enough.

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* WhatAnIdiot: Despite being a ''professional professional alien fighter'' fighter by trade, after Jack Harkness simply swaggers blackmails the government into giving him command his master plan for dealing with the 456 is marching into Thames House and announces telling them "no" to the 456 like a giant swaggering cock, then acts surprised when they [[spoiler: kill everyone, including Ianto.]] One would think he would, I don't know, cock. Rather than use science his newfound government resources to figure out a weakness beforehand (which is kind of his qualification for an actual card to play, he just bluffs and hopes they don't call him on it. When they do, he has the job)?
** Jack was operating with minimal resources (the team was literally operating out of an abandoned warehouse using stolen laptops), very little intel on the 456 and was a wanted man. The biggest idiots were the politicians trying
audacity to cover their asses by attempting to eliminate Torchwood. The Thames House staff knew the chemical make-up of what the 456 Ambassador used to breath If they'd put Jack act shocked as they kill everyone in the loop, used some of the Hub's resources, they could have learned more than the precious little they did already knew about the 456. Identified a weakness or possibly even a planet of origin if the atmosphere required was rare enough.building.
20th Mar '17 6:43:04 PM Wuz
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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: Most of the cast and crew felt that reducing the series to five episodes and moving it to what was widely considered a graveyard slot would result in it not being a major success. As it turns out, ''Children of Earth'' garnered ''very'' respectable ratings, is widely regarded as the best out of the four ''Torchwood'' seasons, and is considered by some to be one of RussellTDavies's finest works.

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* AndYouThoughtItWouldFail: Most of the cast and crew felt that reducing the series to five episodes and moving it to what was widely considered a graveyard slot would result in it not being a major success. As it turns out, ''Children of Earth'' garnered ''very'' respectable ratings, is widely regarded as the best out of the four ''Torchwood'' seasons, and is considered by some to be one of RussellTDavies's Creator/RussellTDavies's finest works.
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