History YMMV / Tommy

28th Mar '17 11:53:25 AM mlsmithca
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: For some reason, a good percentage of the Tommy {{Fandom}} seems to treat the Local Lad (''especially'' the Music/EltonJohn version) like he's a SissyVillain simply for being Tommy's rival when it came to being a champion at {{Pinball}}. As an unfortunate result, he occasionally ends up being treated like either TheScrappy or an AssholeVictim.
** To be fair, some versions of the musical do feature the Local Lad as something of an antagonist, but they're still pretty harmless in comparison to the other villains.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: For some reason, a good percentage of the Tommy {{Fandom}} seems to treat the Local Lad (''especially'' the Music/EltonJohn version) like he's a SissyVillain simply for being Tommy's rival when it came to being a champion at {{Pinball}}. As an unfortunate result, he occasionally ends up being treated like either TheScrappy or an AssholeVictim.
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AssholeVictim. To be fair, some versions of the musical do feature the Local Lad as something of an antagonist, but they're still pretty harmless in comparison to the other villains.



** The entire soundtrack, really.



* CoveredUp: "Eyesight to the Blind" was originally by Sonny Boy Williamson II. The Who had also intended to use Mose Allison's "Young Man Blues" on the album, but couldn't find room for it, and so it had to wait until ''Live At Leeds'' to be covered.
** On top of that, when the Who performed Tommy on tour in 1989, they used Eric Clapton's arrangement of ''Eyesight'', from TheMovie, rather than their own arrangement from the album.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Uncle Ernie has a following, despite being a drunken child molester.

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* CoveredUp: "Eyesight to the Blind" was originally by Sonny Boy Williamson II. The Who had also intended to use Mose Allison's "Young Man Blues" on the album, but couldn't find room for it, and so it had to wait until ''Live At Leeds'' to be covered.
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covered. On top of that, when the Who performed Tommy on tour in 1989, they used Eric Clapton's arrangement of ''Eyesight'', "Eyesight", from TheMovie, rather than their own arrangement from the album.
* DracoInLeatherPants: DracoInLeatherPants:
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Uncle Ernie has a following, despite being a drunken child molester.



* EnsembleDarkHorse: Uncle Ernie, if you can believe it, has [[DracoInLeatherPants a whole host of fans]].

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* EnsembleDarkHorse: EnsembleDarkHorse:
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Uncle Ernie, if you can believe it, has [[DracoInLeatherPants a whole host of fans]].



* HilariousInHindsight: In "Go To The Mirror!" the doctor thinks about the isolation shock caused when/if Tommy's senses return. When he does get them back, he mobilizes his cult of personality. {{Subverted}} later [[{{Foreshadowing}} when his followers leave him]] thanks to the unorthodox views he got from his experiences.

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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In "Go To The Mirror!" the doctor thinks about the isolation shock caused when/if Tommy's senses return. When he does get them back, he mobilizes his cult of personality. {{Subverted}} later [[{{Foreshadowing}} when his followers leave him]] thanks to the unorthodox views he got from his experiences.



* IAmNotShazam: A common mistake even among the fans is to call the character who sings "Pinball Wizard", well, the Pinball Wizard (or, [[IAmNotLeonardNimoy in the movie's case]], Music/EltonJohn). He's actually called the Local Lad according to the scripts for the movie and the lyric sheet for the original album.

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* IAmNotShazam: IAmNotShazam:
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A common mistake even among the fans is to call the character who sings "Pinball Wizard", well, the Pinball Wizard (or, [[IAmNotLeonardNimoy in the movie's case]], Music/EltonJohn). He's actually called the Local Lad according to the scripts for the movie and the lyric sheet for the original album.



* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: During the band's performance at {{Woodstock}}, the climactic moment of ''See Me, Feel Me'' happened to coincide precisely with [[CueTheSun the morning sun breaching the horizon]]. The group had a lighting rig (then a rarity) constructed to replicate this effect for later performances, [[spoiler:and it is nodded to at the end of the film adaptation.]]

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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: During the band's performance at {{Woodstock}}, the climactic moment of ''See "See Me, Feel Me'' Me" happened to coincide precisely with [[CueTheSun the morning sun breaching the horizon]]. The group had a lighting rig (then a rarity) constructed to replicate this effect for later performances, [[spoiler:and it is nodded to at the end of the film adaptation.]]



* OneSceneWonder: Music/EltonJohn's appearance as the Champion/Local Lad in TheMovie is one of the most talked-about parts of the film (he even got third billing after Daltrey and Ann-Margret), and he barely even gets five minutes of screen-time. It probably didn't help that it was released in the UK the day after his twenty-ninth birthday.

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* OneSceneWonder: OneSceneWonder:
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Music/EltonJohn's appearance as the Champion/Local Lad in TheMovie is one of the most talked-about parts of the film (he even got third billing after Daltrey and Ann-Margret), and he barely even gets five minutes of screen-time. It probably didn't help that it was released in the UK the day after his twenty-ninth birthday.



* {{Squick}}[=/=]NightmareFuel: Every one of the three {{Villain Song}}s. What Kevin, the Acid Queen and Uncle Ernie do to Tommy are one after the other on the album (though "The Acid Queen" and "Fiddle About" are separated by a ten-minute long psychedelic instrumental), making things worse.

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* {{Squick}}[=/=]NightmareFuel: {{Squick}}:
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Every one of the three {{Villain Song}}s. What Kevin, the Acid Queen and Uncle Ernie do to Tommy are one after the other on the album (though "The Acid Queen" and "Fiddle About" are separated by a ten-minute long psychedelic instrumental), making things worse.



*** Made ''so much worse'' in the London Symphony Orchestra recording. Whose idea was it to cast [[Music/RingoStarr the Beatle who sang all the cute kid's songs]] as Uncle Ernie? You may never be able to listen to [[Music/TheWhiteAlbum "Good Night"]] ever again. And it becomes a '''''even worse''''' if you're one of those ''WesternAnimation/ThomasTheTankEngine'' fans who [[CantUnhearIt imagines every sentence he says ending with "...said the Fat Controller."]]
*** The chorus of "We're Not Gonna Take It" has the line '"We'll forsake you, gonna rape you, let's forget you better still," which the angry mob sings to Tommy. It's pretty disturbing to say the least.

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*** ** Made ''so much worse'' in the London Symphony Orchestra recording. Whose idea was it to cast [[Music/RingoStarr the Beatle who sang all the cute kid's songs]] as Uncle Ernie? You may never be able to listen to [[Music/TheWhiteAlbum "Good Night"]] ever again. And it becomes a '''''even worse''''' '''even worse''' if you're one of those ''WesternAnimation/ThomasTheTankEngine'' fans who [[CantUnhearIt imagines every sentence he says ending with "...said the Fat Controller."]]
*** ** The chorus of "We're Not Gonna Take It" has the line '"We'll forsake you, gonna rape you, let's forget you better still," which the angry mob sings to Tommy. It's pretty disturbing to say the least.



* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Could very well be part of why a lot of people in Music/TheWho FanDumb loathe the Music/EltonJohn version of "Pinball Wizard" with an immense passion. (That, and/or perhaps because at one point [[ItsPopularNowItSucks his version got almost as popular as the original]].) [[FridgeLogic Even though it was]] '''''[[Music/TheWho Pete Townshend]]''''' [[FridgeLogic who made most of the real changes]].

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Could very well be part of why a lot of people in Music/TheWho FanDumb loathe the Music/EltonJohn version of "Pinball Wizard" with an immense passion. (That, and/or perhaps because at one point [[ItsPopularNowItSucks his version got almost as popular as the original]].) [[FridgeLogic Even though it was]] '''''[[Music/TheWho '''[[Music/TheWho Pete Townshend]]''''' Townshend]]''' [[FridgeLogic who made most of the real changes]].
10th Feb '17 6:01:54 AM 06tele
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The washing machine scene in the movie, although the spectacle of Ann-Margret covering herself in foam, baked beans and chocolate is pure {{Fanservice}} for those who like that kind of thing (presumably including Ken Russell.)
25th Dec '16 9:42:26 PM StrixObscuro
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* LoveItOrHateIt: The movie adaptation. It's either a time capsule of awesome 70s rock music based around an already-great set of songs, with some flawed by enjoyable acting, or it fails to understand the album entirely and makes up for creativity with dated 70s cheese.

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* LoveItOrHateIt: The movie adaptation. It's either a time capsule of awesome 70s 70's rock music based around an already-great set of songs, with some flawed by enjoyable acting, or it fails to understand the album entirely and makes up for creativity with dated 70s 70's cheese.


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** The movie version of "Acid Queen" has Tommy being stuffed into a spinning, needle-studded sarcophagus and pumped full of bright red liquid. The vivid hallucinations, in which Tommy imagines himself variously as his dead father, a Jesus-like figure, and ''a skeleton'', are horrifying enough, but the skeleton implies that Tommy actually suffers an overdose and only Frank's intervention saves him. And then there's the last part of the song, where Frank comes upon Tommy writhing on the floor while the Acid Queen stands over him, with an appalling rictus grin on her face...
21st Nov '16 10:46:19 PM NWolfman
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*** Made ''so much worse'' in the London Symphony Orchestra recording. Whose idea was it to cast [[Music/RingoStarr the Beatle who sang all the cute kid's songs]] as Uncle Ernie? (Warning: may lead to constantly having to lift the needle off ''Music/TheWhiteAlbum'' before it gets to "Good Night", in spite of the [[NightmareFuel last]] [[LastNoteNightmare track]].)

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*** Made ''so much worse'' in the London Symphony Orchestra recording. Whose idea was it to cast [[Music/RingoStarr the Beatle who sang all the cute kid's songs]] as Uncle Ernie? (Warning: You may lead never be able to constantly having listen to lift the needle off ''Music/TheWhiteAlbum'' before it gets to [[Music/TheWhiteAlbum "Good Night", in spite Night"]] ever again. And it becomes a '''''even worse''''' if you're one of those ''WesternAnimation/ThomasTheTankEngine'' fans who [[CantUnhearIt imagines every sentence he says ending with "...said the [[NightmareFuel last]] [[LastNoteNightmare track]].)Fat Controller."]]
21st Nov '16 10:41:06 PM NWolfman
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* LoveItOrHateIt: The movie adaptation. It's either a time capsule of awesome 70s rock music based around an already-great set of songs, with some flawed by enjoyable acting, or it fails to understand the album entirely and makes up for creativity with dated 70s cheese.
21st Nov '16 10:37:03 PM NWolfman
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** "Fiddle About" is even squickier in light of Pete Townshend being investigated for child porn, and his revelation that he was sexually abused by a relative when he was a child.

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** "Fiddle About" is even squickier in light of After Pete Townshend being investigated for child porn, and his revelation revealed that he was had been sexually abused by a relative when he was as a child.child, which inadvertently led him to a child pornography site while researching the subject, "Fiddle About" is ''much'' scarier.
5th Nov '16 12:46:09 PM DavidDelony
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*** Made ''so much worse'' in the London Symphony Orchestra recording. Whose idea was it to cast [[Music/RingoStarr the Beatle who sang all the cute kid's songs]] as Uncle Ernie? (Warning: may lead to constantly having to lift the needle off The White Album before it gets to "Good Night", in spite of the [[NightmareFuel last]] [[LastNoteNightmare track]].)

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*** Made ''so much worse'' in the London Symphony Orchestra recording. Whose idea was it to cast [[Music/RingoStarr the Beatle who sang all the cute kid's songs]] as Uncle Ernie? (Warning: may lead to constantly having to lift the needle off The White Album ''Music/TheWhiteAlbum'' before it gets to "Good Night", in spite of the [[NightmareFuel last]] [[LastNoteNightmare track]].)
26th Aug '16 1:02:38 AM YellowLab
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* NightmareFuel: The original album is mostly ambiguous, which might create a creepier atmosphere to some.
** "Dream One" from the original Pete Townshend demos.
15th Aug '16 1:08:52 AM Roemilus
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9th Jun '16 4:09:10 PM TheWhistleTropes
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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: During the band's performance at {{Woodstock}}, the climactic moment of ''See Me, Feel Me'' happened to coincide precisely with [[CueTheSun the morning sun breaching the horizon]]. The group had a lighting rig (then a rarity) constructed to replicate this effect for later performances.

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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: During the band's performance at {{Woodstock}}, the climactic moment of ''See Me, Feel Me'' happened to coincide precisely with [[CueTheSun the morning sun breaching the horizon]]. The group had a lighting rig (then a rarity) constructed to replicate this effect for later performances.performances, [[spoiler:and it is nodded to at the end of the film adaptation.]]
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