History YMMV / TheThreepennyOpera

17th May '17 6:59:48 PM WillBGood
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** Having said that, no one will probably displace Music/NinaSimone's "PirateJenny", not after the film version of ''Film/{{Watchmen}}'' at any rate.

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** Having said that, no one will probably displace Music/NinaSimone's "PirateJenny", "Music/PirateJenny", not after the film version of ''Film/{{Watchmen}}'' at any rate.
12th Mar '17 12:57:04 PM JulianLapostat
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** Others argue that the most important thing about the play is really the music and that Music/KurtWeill was the real genius behind the production. Since the music went to produce many BreakawayPopHit and became immensely influential on popular music for the rest of the century, it's a fairly strong argument. Likewise, many also credit Lotte Lenya's excellent stage presence for altering the production significantly and expanding the character Jenny. Brecht and Will might have written the song, but it was Lenya who made it PirateJenny.

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** Others argue that the most important thing about the play is really the music and that Music/KurtWeill was the real genius behind the production. Since the music went to produce many BreakawayPopHit and became immensely influential on popular music for the rest of the century, it's a fairly strong argument. They also note how much of the production [[IndyPloy was made up as it went along]], since "Mack the Knife" was written near the end because the original actor of Mackie (Harald Paulsen) complained how little screentime he had [[WagTheDirector and wanted a song centered on him]], Brecht-Weill complied [[TakeThat but gave the song to the street-singer]], a new character invented solely to sing the Moritat, rather than give Mackie any more stagetime. Likewise, many also credit Lotte Lenya's excellent stage presence for altering the production significantly and expanding the character Jenny. Brecht and Will might have written the song, but it was Lenya who made it PirateJenny.
12th Mar '17 12:27:13 PM JulianLapostat
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** Since accurate productions of Brecht-Weill's play are a lot rarer these days, it's likely that most viewers are more aware of the production via PopCulturalOsmosis from Creator/AlanMoore and the many popular music covers than from the actual play.

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** Since accurate productions of Brecht-Weill's play are a lot rarer these days, in the early 21st Century, it's likely that most viewers are more aware of the production via PopCulturalOsmosis from Creator/AlanMoore Creator/AlanMoore's comics and the many popular music covers than from the actual play.



** Having said that, no one will probably displace Music/NinaSimone's ''PirateJenny'', not after the film version of ''Film/{{Watchmen}}'' at any rate.
** ''What Keeps Mankind Alive'' was covered by Tom Waits, with accurate lyrics.

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** Having said that, no one will probably displace Music/NinaSimone's ''PirateJenny'', "PirateJenny", not after the film version of ''Film/{{Watchmen}}'' at any rate.
** ''What "What Keeps Mankind Alive'' Alive" was covered by Tom Waits, with accurate lyrics.
12th Mar '17 11:55:14 AM JulianLapostat
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** Bobby Darin's [[TheCoverChangesTheMeaning sanitized]] [[{{Bowdlerized}} rendition]] of "Mack the Knife". More modern versions by Music/NickCave and Music/MarianneFaitfhull with more accurate lyrics have managed to dilute this influence however.

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** Bobby Darin's [[TheCoverChangesTheMeaning sanitized]] [[{{Bowdlerized}} rendition]] of "Mack the Knife". More modern versions by Music/NickCave and Music/MarianneFaitfhull Music/MarianneFaithfull with more accurate lyrics have managed to dilute this influence however.
12th Mar '17 11:54:45 AM JulianLapostat
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Only [[OverlyNarrowSuperlative aficionados of Augustan English drama]] would recognize the source material. Though this might have been different when the opera came out in 1928 Berlin, because ''Theatre/TheBeggarsOpera'' had just seen a revival there.
* CoveredUp: Bobby Darin's [[TheCoverChangesTheMeaning sanitized]] [[{{Bowdlerized}} rendition]] of "Mack the Knife".

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* AdaptationDisplacement: AdaptationDisplacement:
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Only [[OverlyNarrowSuperlative aficionados of Augustan English drama]] would recognize the source material. Though this might have been different when the opera came out in 1928 Berlin, because ''Theatre/TheBeggarsOpera'' had just seen a revival there.
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** Since accurate productions of Brecht-Weill's play are a lot rarer these days, it's likely that most viewers are more aware of the production via PopCulturalOsmosis from Creator/AlanMoore and the many popular music covers than from the actual play.
* CoveredUp: So many of the songs:
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Bobby Darin's [[TheCoverChangesTheMeaning sanitized]] [[{{Bowdlerized}} rendition]] of "Mack the Knife".Knife". More modern versions by Music/NickCave and Music/MarianneFaitfhull with more accurate lyrics have managed to dilute this influence however.
** Having said that, no one will probably displace Music/NinaSimone's ''PirateJenny'', not after the film version of ''Film/{{Watchmen}}'' at any rate.
** ''What Keeps Mankind Alive'' was covered by Tom Waits, with accurate lyrics.
* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Any accurate version of Brecht's play is going to result in a story of EvilVersusEvil, where the law (represented by Tiger Brown) is ineffectual, hypocritical and compromised, where women are consigned to endure DomesticAbuse, and a totally irredemable asshole becomes a KarmaHoudini, rewarded for all his murders, rapes and abuse, and beggars continue to be under the thumb of his father-in-law with no real sense of moral authority anywhere.


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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Jenny Towler is a minor character and in the original production, her famous song was actually sung by Carola Neher's Polly. But thanks to Lotte Lenya's stage presence and better vocal range, PirateJenny became her song, and as such a throwaway minor character became an iconic feature of popular culture, inspiring Music/BobDylan and Music/NinaSimone in particular.
* MyRealDaddy: On account of what some consider Brecht's unique approach to collaboration[[note]]The most uncharitable view, the one most hostile to Brecht's politics and dramaturgy, see it as merely taking credit for other people's work and pretending a collage and group production was really ''his'' vision[[/note]], a lot of critics and scholars have wondered about the authorship of this play. While the overall vision, theme and commentary is by Brecht, other parts of the play come from his collaborators:
** Some note that a surprising amount of ''The Threepenny Opera'' is already there in John Gay's original ''Beggar's Opera'' (Macheath, Tiger Brown, Polly, Lucy, Jonathan Peachum, the DeusExMachina ending), the LoveTriangle plot. The main additions are largely modernized sex and violence, anti-imperialist subtext and pitch BlackComedy, AdaptationalVillainy for all the characters, to replace the lighter farce of the original.
** A German production of ''Theatre/TheBeggarsOpera'' preceded Brecht-Weill's version, and Elizabeth Hauptmann (Brecht's collaborator[[note]]and also one of his girlfriends[[/note]]) translated the English original into German, and even contributed a few lines to the lyrics, which were indeed written largely by Brecht. As such some have argued that Hauptmann be co-credited with Brecht-Weill for her work on the play.
** Others argue that the most important thing about the play is really the music and that Music/KurtWeill was the real genius behind the production. Since the music went to produce many BreakawayPopHit and became immensely influential on popular music for the rest of the century, it's a fairly strong argument. Likewise, many also credit Lotte Lenya's excellent stage presence for altering the production significantly and expanding the character Jenny. Brecht and Will might have written the song, but it was Lenya who made it PirateJenny.
11th Mar '17 8:46:52 AM fusilcontrafusil
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* CoveredUp: Bobby Darin's rendition of "Mack the Knife".

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* CoveredUp: Bobby Darin's rendition [[TheCoverChangesTheMeaning sanitized]] [[{{Bowdlerized}} rendition]] of "Mack the Knife".
28th Nov '16 1:02:23 PM crazysamaritan
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Macheath is the one character most audiences seem to like best, even though he is intended as a despicable villain.
** Though of course most productions water down the violence and nastiness of the original a lot, if portrayed the way Brecht wrote him - an amoral pimp, human trafficker and child murderer - this trope is less in play.
* EightDeadlyWords: All of the characters are intentionally unsympathetic.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Macheath is the one character most audiences seem to like best, even though he is intended as a despicable villain.
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villain. Though of course most productions water down the violence and nastiness of the original a lot, if portrayed the way Brecht wrote him - an amoral pimp, human trafficker and child murderer - this trope is less in play.
* EightDeadlyWords: All of the characters are intentionally unsympathetic.
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* WordOfGay: Yes, Brown loves Mack.

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* WordOfGay: Yes, Brown loves Mack.Mack.
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12th Apr '15 3:06:27 PM TVRulezAgain
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* CompleteMonster: Macheath.
17th Mar '15 6:12:13 AM AnotherGuy
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* CompleteMonster: Macheath.
13th Oct '14 1:15:26 AM JulianLapostat
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** Though of course most productions water down the violence and nastiness of the original a lot, if portrayed the way Brecht wrote him - an amoral pimp, human trafficker and child murderer - this trope is less in play.
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