History YMMV / TheSopranos

13th Feb '18 12:55:11 PM VisitorAlex
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12th Feb '18 11:53:30 PM VisitorAlex
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** The worst case of this being Ralph Cifaretto, a depraved, AxCrazy mobster. We are supposed to feel sorry for him when he really shows concern for his injured son and begins to have a moral rebirth. However, its difficult to side with Ralph when you realize that this is the same man who [[spoiler:killed a pregnant woman with his bare hands]].

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** The worst case of this being Ralph Cifaretto, a depraved, AxCrazy mobster. We are supposed to feel sorry for him when he really shows concern for during his injured son and begins to have a moral rebirth.[[JerkassWoobie sympathetic moments]] [[spoiler:before his death]]. However, its difficult to side with Ralph when you realize that this is the same man who [[spoiler:killed a pregnant woman with his bare hands]].
12th Feb '18 11:50:22 PM VisitorAlex
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** Paulie in general. Everything about him is so over-the-top, comically absurd, LaughablyEvil and cartoonish, it breaks the suspension of disbelief and sometimes it's hard to even take him seriously.

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** Paulie in general.Paulie. Everything about him is so over-the-top, comically absurd, LaughablyEvil and cartoonish, it breaks the suspension of disbelief and sometimes it's hard to even take him seriously.


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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The show abused this trope a lot, especially when [[HateSink the most despicable characters]] were humanized and sympathetic to some degree. Sure, we're supposed to feel sorry for them after their [[MoralEventHorizon awful actions]]...
** The worst case of this being Ralph Cifaretto, a depraved, AxCrazy mobster. We are supposed to feel sorry for him when he really shows concern for his injured son and begins to have a moral rebirth. However, its difficult to side with Ralph when you realize that this is the same man who [[spoiler:killed a pregnant woman with his bare hands]].
9th Feb '18 7:47:15 PM hohocrush
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** [Insert character here] never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
8th Feb '18 4:04:41 AM jormis29
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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: A video game entitled ''The Sopranos: Road to Respect'' was released for the UsefulNotes/PlayStation2 featuring an original plotline based on notes by David Chase and voiceovers by the TV cast, and while critics praised the story and voice acting, the gameplay was criticized as being shallow and repetitive.
3rd Feb '18 8:01:45 PM VisitorAlex
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Easily one of the most controversial things about the series, especially in recent years. Although in its days the show was quite praised for its realistic portrait of TheMafia, some people end up so irritated by its massive amount of [[HateSink unsympathetic, hypocritical characters]] and [[CrapsackWorld how dark this underworld really is]]. When the series' protagonist is a murderer, [[{{jerkass}} an outright prick towards everyone]], a mob boss and a rather reprehensible person ''combined'', this is inevitable.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Easily one of the most controversial things about the series, especially in recent years. Although in its days the show was quite praised for its realistic portrait of TheMafia, praised, some people end up so irritated by its massive amount of [[HateSink unsympathetic, hypocritical unsympathetic characters]] and [[CrapsackWorld how dark this underworld really is]]. When the series' protagonist is a murderer, [[{{jerkass}} an outright prick towards everyone]], a mob boss and a rather reprehensible person ''combined'', this is inevitable.
3rd Feb '18 8:00:13 PM VisitorAlex
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Easily one of the most controversial things about the series, especially in recent years. Although in its days the show was quite praised for its realistic portrait of TheMafia, some people end up so irritated by its massive amount of [[HateSink unsympathetic, hypocritical characters]] and [[CrapsackWorld how dark this underworld really is]]. It has also been criticized for its lack of realism when it comes to killing characters, as the characters rarely paid for their murders [[spoiler:despite the fact that [[KarmaHoudiniWarranty almost everyone get their comeuppance at the end of the series]]]]. There may be a reason for that, since this show appeared in a time where dark and edgy shows were rare. The series is also a stark contrast to the portrait we saw in ''Film/TheGodfather'', which portray mobsters in a highly romanticized light. Here is the opposite: ''The Sopranos'' was well-known for portraying mobsters as a group of massive {{Hate Sink}}s. When the series' protagonist is a murderer, [[{{jerkass}} an outright prick towards everyone]], a mob boss and a rather reprehensible person ''combined'', this is inevitable.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Easily one of the most controversial things about the series, especially in recent years. Although in its days the show was quite praised for its realistic portrait of TheMafia, some people end up so irritated by its massive amount of [[HateSink unsympathetic, hypocritical characters]] and [[CrapsackWorld how dark this underworld really is]]. It has also been criticized for its lack of realism when it comes to killing characters, as the characters rarely paid for their murders [[spoiler:despite the fact that [[KarmaHoudiniWarranty almost everyone get their comeuppance at the end of the series]]]]. There may be a reason for that, since this show appeared in a time where dark and edgy shows were rare. The series is also a stark contrast to the portrait we saw in ''Film/TheGodfather'', which portray mobsters in a highly romanticized light. Here is the opposite: ''The Sopranos'' was well-known for portraying mobsters as a group of massive {{Hate Sink}}s. When the series' protagonist is a murderer, [[{{jerkass}} an outright prick towards everyone]], a mob boss and a rather reprehensible person ''combined'', this is inevitable.
15th Dec '17 7:19:57 PM Pren
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** Satin Dolls, the strip club used on the show, became a real meeting spot for mobsters which ultimately caused it to be closed by federal order in 2017.
2nd Dec '17 7:42:32 PM Scoutstr295
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** "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBcbc8eWz6U Evidently Chickentown]]" by John Cooper Clarke has an ominous foreboding quality at the close of "Stage 5" as it plays when [[spoiler:Phil decides to declare war on the Sopranos and the awkward tension between Tony and Chris is at its peak]].
30th Nov '17 11:27:24 PM VisitorAlex
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* MoralEventHorizon: Oh, so many. It is a show about the mob, afterall. In case the whole "lying, cheating, stealing, and murdering" thing isn't enough, here are some specific ones:
** Livia putting a hit on Tony, her own son.
** Richie crossed it with Beansie's brutal paralyzation for refusing to be shaken down, and continued to threaten him.
** The aforementioned incident involving Ralph and a stripper.
** [[spoiler:Paulie]] murdering [[spoiler:an old woman... ''with his bare hands'']]. The waiter's murder is another candidate for him as well.
** [[spoiler:Christopher ratting out Adriana, leading to her murder]]
** A very debatable one occurs when Ralph gains some sympathy after his son is injured, but it turns out that [[spoiler:he killed Tony's beloved race horse for the insurance money. Debatable because Ralph never actually admits to it and there's no proof that he was responsible. An argument can be made that Tony's love for animals was responsible for how he couldn't see the horse's death as anything but murder, and his dreams in the following episode seem to hint he knew deep down that Ralph may have been innocent in the matter.]]
** [[spoiler: Tony Soprano forcing [[PunchClockVillain Bobby]] to commit a murder as a punishment for him.]]
** [[spoiler: Tony murdering Christopher is another candidate for him as well, even if Tony has his reasons due to Christopher's drug addiction and unreliability.]]
** [[spoiler:Phil Leotardo crosses it with Vito's extremely brutal murder, ''[[DisproportionateRetribution and just for being gay, no less]]''.]]

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* MoralEventHorizon: Oh, so many. It is a show about the mob, afterall. In case the whole "lying, cheating, stealing, and murdering" thing isn't enough, here are some specific ones:
** Livia putting a hit on Tony, her own son.
** Richie crossed it with Beansie's brutal paralyzation for refusing to be shaken down, and continued to threaten him.
** The aforementioned incident involving Ralph and a stripper.
** [[spoiler:Paulie]] murdering [[spoiler:an old woman... ''with his bare hands'']]. The waiter's murder is another candidate for him as well.
** [[spoiler:Christopher ratting out Adriana, leading to her murder]]
** A very debatable one occurs when Ralph gains some sympathy after his son is injured, but it turns out that [[spoiler:he killed Tony's beloved race horse for the insurance money. Debatable because Ralph never actually admits to it and there's no proof that he was responsible. An argument can be made that Tony's love for animals was responsible for how he couldn't see the horse's death as anything but murder, and his dreams in the following episode seem to hint he knew deep down that Ralph may have been innocent in the matter.]]
** [[spoiler: Tony Soprano forcing [[PunchClockVillain Bobby]] to commit a murder as a punishment for him.]]
** [[spoiler: Tony murdering Christopher is another candidate for him as well, even if Tony has his reasons due to Christopher's drug addiction and unreliability.]]
** [[spoiler:Phil Leotardo crosses it with Vito's extremely brutal murder, ''[[DisproportionateRetribution and just for being gay, no less]]''.]]
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