History YMMV / TheSmashingPumpkins

28th May '17 5:40:30 AM NWolfman
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* SweetDreamsFuel: "Christmastime," probably the single most positive song they've ever recorded.
20th Mar '17 9:49:39 PM DocStone
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: The music video for "Tonight Tonight," an homage to ''ATripToTheMoon'' where a cute couple [[SteamPunk goes on an adventurous date to the moon via an iron dirigible.]] Even better is that the actors playing them [[RealitySubtext are married in real life.]]
5th Jan '17 9:23:19 PM lilithmercy
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** James Iha appearing as a guest on stage for a few shows in 2016, after apparently not talking to Billy since their last show in 2001.

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** James Iha appearing as a guest on stage for a few shows in 2016, after apparently not talking to Billy since their last show in 2001. Billy revealed later on that he'd been in friendly contact with D'arcy earlier in the year too.
5th Jan '17 9:20:28 PM lilithmercy
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** James Iha appearing as a guest on stage for a few shows in 2016, after apparently not talking to Billy since their last show in 2001.
17th Aug '16 2:14:28 PM gewunomox
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* ArchivePanic: There are only ten official studio albums (counting the two forthcoming volumes of ''Teargarden by Kaleidyscope''), so that doesn't seem too bad. And then you look at the band's colossal vault of B-sides and reissues. There are 114 tracks in the ''Rarities and B-Sides'' compilation alone, and that's not a complete representation of the band's works. And then you look at the reissues. ''Adore'' and ''The Aeroplane Flies High'' are the most expansive of these thus far, containing six [=CDs=] and a DVD each, which are all filled to the brim with bonus goodies. The running time of the reissued ''Adore'' alone is over nine hours. In short, good luck.
* BrokenBase[=/=]FanonDiscontinuity[=/=]DorkAge: the fan reaction to ''Zeitgeist''. ''Adore'' was also considered something of a DorkAge, though it was one of their most critically acclaimed albums and has come to develop a [[CultClassic cult fandom]] over the years.
** Corgan, on ''Machina'': "''Adore'' didn't alienate the audience, they were just sort of like, 'Oh, it's not the record I want.' [''Machina''] alienated people."
** You can easily start a debate among fans as to whether or not the second time around, starting from ''Zeitgeist'' to ''Oceania'' and whatever comes after that, is considered truly The Smashing Pumpkins or just InNameOnly.
* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: "Luna" and "One Diamond One Heart," as well as "Pinwheels."
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome:

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* ArchivePanic: There are only ten official studio albums (counting the two forthcoming volumes of ''Teargarden by Kaleidyscope''), so that doesn't seem too bad. And then you look at the band's colossal vault of B-sides and reissues. There are 114 tracks in the ''Rarities and B-Sides'' compilation alone, and that's not a complete representation of the band's works. And then you look at the reissues. ''Adore'' and ''The Aeroplane Flies High'' are the most expansive of these thus far, containing six [=CDs=] CD's and a DVD each, which are all filled to the brim with bonus goodies. The running time of the reissued ''Adore'' alone is over nine hours. In short, good luck.
* BrokenBase[=/=]FanonDiscontinuity[=/=]DorkAge: the fan reaction to ''Zeitgeist''. ''Adore'' was also considered something of a DorkAge, though it was one of their most critically acclaimed albums and has come to develop a [[CultClassic cult fandom]] over the years.
** Corgan, on ''Machina'': "''Adore'' didn't alienate the audience, they were just sort of like, 'Oh, it's not the record I want.' [''Machina''] alienated people."
** You can easily start a debate among fans as to whether or not the second time around, starting from ''Zeitgeist'' to ''Oceania'' and whatever comes after that, is considered truly The Smashing Pumpkins or just InNameOnly.
* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: "Luna" and "One Diamond One Heart," as well as "Pinwheels."
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome:
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** From ''Mellon Collie'' (disc 1): "Tonight Tonight," "Zero," "Here is No Why," "Muzzle"
** From ''Mellon Collie'' (disc 2): "Where Boys Fear to Tread," "Bodies," "X.Y.U.," "Thru the Eyes of Ruby"

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** From ''Mellon Collie'' (disc (Disc 1): "Tonight Tonight," "Zero," "Here is No Why," "Muzzle"
** From ''Mellon Collie'' (disc (Disc 2): "Where Boys Fear to Tread," "Bodies," "X.Y.U.," "Thru the Eyes of Ruby"



* EnsembleDarkhorse: "Drown" to the ''Singles'' soundtrack. The song received airplay despite a) never being released as a single, and b) being the only song on the album by a band from outside Seattle.

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* BrokenBase / FanonDiscontinuity / DorkAge: the fan reaction to ''Zeitgeist''. ''Adore'' was also considered something of a DorkAge, though it was one of their most critically acclaimed albums and has come to develop a [[CultClassic cult fandom]] over the years.
** Corgan, on ''Machina'': "''Adore'' didn't alienate the audience, they were just sort of like, 'Oh, it's not the record I want.' [''Machina''] alienated people."
** You can easily start a debate among fans as to whether or not the second time around, starting from ''Zeitgeist'' to ''Oceania'' and whatever comes after that, is considered truly The Smashing Pumpkins or just InNameOnly.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: "Drown" to the ''Singles'' soundtrack. The song received airplay despite a) never Never being released as a single, and b) being Being the only song on the album by a band from outside Seattle.



* FanCommunityNickname: "Ghost Children", based on the story of ''Machina/The Machines of God''; also, "Pumpkinheads".
* HarsherInHindsight: Back in 1995, as ''Mellon Collie'' slogged through a long development process, Corgan declared that "it either will be our last album, or it will be our last album as people know the Smashing Pumpkins. While it did not end up being their last album, it was the last album to feature the original lineup, as Corgan ended up firing drummer Jimmy Chamberlain for drug abuse during the ensuing tour.
* JerkassWoobie: Corgan may be a jerk at times (as attested by throwing Music/{{Pavement}} off a festival bill because their song "Range Life" mocked his indecipherable lyrics, his transphobic insults against custom pedal manufacturer Devi Ever, or his bizarre declaration about wanting to "piss on Radiohead" and constant insults thrown at his former bandmates), but he has had a pretty tragic life, having grown up in a horribly abusive home, spending much of his childhood taking care of his disabled brother, and dealing with severe depression, even contemplating suicide. He may be a control freak and a jerk but he seems to be desperately holding onto the only good thing in his life.
* MemeticMutation: "But despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage"
** "But despite all my rage, I am still just NicolasCage."
* {{Narm}}: Some lyrics from "The Celestials": "I may seem unafraid/And I may seem unashamed/But I will be Special K" and "I'm gonna love you 101 percent".

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* FanCommunityNickname: "Ghost Children", based on the story of ''Machina/The ''Machina / The Machines of God''; also, "Pumpkinheads".
* HarsherInHindsight: Back in 1995, as ''Mellon Collie'' slogged through a long development process, Corgan declared that "it either will be our last album, or it will be our last album as people know the Smashing Pumpkins. " While it did not end up being their last album, it was the last album to feature the original lineup, as Corgan ended up firing drummer Jimmy Chamberlain for drug abuse during the ensuing tour.
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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: "Luna" and "One Diamond One Heart," as well as "Pinwheels."
* JerkassWoobie: Corgan may be a jerk at times (as attested by throwing Music/{{Pavement}} off a festival bill because their song "Range Life" mocked his indecipherable lyrics, his transphobic insults against custom pedal manufacturer Devi Ever, or his bizarre declaration about wanting to "piss on Radiohead" Music/{{Radiohead}}" and constant insults thrown at his former bandmates), but he has had a pretty tragic life, having grown up in a horribly abusive home, spending much of his childhood taking care of his disabled brother, and dealing with severe depression, even contemplating suicide. He may be a control freak and a jerk but he seems to be desperately holding onto the only good thing in his life.
* MemeticMutation: "But despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage"
cage".
** "But despite all my rage, I am still just NicolasCage.Creator/NicolasCage."
* {{Narm}}: Some lyrics from "The Celestials": "I may seem unafraid/And unafraid / And I may seem unashamed/But unashamed / But I will be Special K" and "I'm gonna love you 101 percent".



* {{Wangst}}: Billy Corgan is very prone to this in his blogs and interviews. It seeps into the lyrics sometimes, but is generally considered forgivable because of the music.

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* {{Wangst}}: Billy Corgan is very prone to this in his blogs and interviews. It seeps into the lyrics sometimes, but is generally considered forgivable because of the music.music.
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11th Aug '16 5:40:14 AM Zadia
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** From ''Siamese Dream:'' "Cherub Rock," "Soma," "Luna," "Disarm"

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** From ''Siamese Dream:'' "Cherub Rock," "Soma," "Luna," "Disarm""Disarm", "Hummer"
7th Feb '16 8:45:58 AM Freshmeat
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* MagnumOpus: Usually considered to be either ''Siamese Dream'' or ''Mellon Collie''.
10th Nov '15 11:46:31 PM StrixObscuro
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* JerkassWoobie: Corgan may be a jerk at times (as attested by throwing {{Pavement}} off a festival bill because their song "Range Life" mocked his indecipherable lyrics, his transphobic insults against custom pedal manufacturer Devi Ever, or his bizarre declaration about wanting to "piss on Radiohead" and constant insults thrown at his former bandmates), but he has had a pretty tragic life, having grown up in a horribly abusive home, spending much of his childhood taking care of his disabled brother, and dealing with severe depression, even contemplating suicide. He may be a control freak and a jerk but he seems to be desperately holding onto the only good thing in his life.

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* HarsherInHindsight: Back in 1995, as ''Mellon Collie'' slogged through a long development process, Corgan declared that "it either will be our last album, or it will be our last album as people know the Smashing Pumpkins. While it did not end up being their last album, it was the last album to feature the original lineup, as Corgan ended up firing drummer Jimmy Chamberlain for drug abuse during the ensuing tour.
* JerkassWoobie: Corgan may be a jerk at times (as attested by throwing {{Pavement}} Music/{{Pavement}} off a festival bill because their song "Range Life" mocked his indecipherable lyrics, his transphobic insults against custom pedal manufacturer Devi Ever, or his bizarre declaration about wanting to "piss on Radiohead" and constant insults thrown at his former bandmates), but he has had a pretty tragic life, having grown up in a horribly abusive home, spending much of his childhood taking care of his disabled brother, and dealing with severe depression, even contemplating suicide. He may be a control freak and a jerk but he seems to be desperately holding onto the only good thing in his life.
20th Mar '15 8:01:56 PM LaptopGuy
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* FaceOfTheBand: Billy Corgan. May also be crossed with IAmTheBand as he's the only original member left.

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* FaceOfTheBand: Billy Corgan. May also be crossed with IAmTheBand as he's the only original member left. Second place was James in the early days and Nicole more recently.



* SignatureSong: either "Zero," "Today," or "Bullet With Butterfly Wings".

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* SignatureSong: either "Zero," "1979," "Today," or "Bullet With Butterfly Wings".
15th Jan '15 11:32:11 AM SSpectre
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* Narm: Some lyrics from "The Celestials": "I may seem unafraid/And I may seem unashamed/But I will be Special K" and "I'm gonna love you 101 percent".

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* Narm: {{Narm}}: Some lyrics from "The Celestials": "I may seem unafraid/And I may seem unashamed/But I will be Special K" and "I'm gonna love you 101 percent".
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