History YMMV / TheSimpsons

17th Jan '17 1:45:44 PM rafi
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** Really, there's a massive load of characters that could desperately do with more development or even just things to do but nope, let's see what the Crazy Cat Lady was like before she became obsessed with throwing cats!
17th Jan '17 1:11:08 PM nombretomado
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** The Al Jean episodes are hated just as much, only for different reasons namely, being boring, derivative, full of forced humor, and carrying an air of WereStillRelevantDammit due to dated pop culture jokes just to attempt [[DuelingShows dueling]] with ''FamilyGuy'' in FOX's lineup. In fact, it's just safe to say that anything after season 8 on ''The Simpsons'' is a mixed bag at best, but has ''some'' good moments in it, though those have been getting rare since season 13.

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** The Al Jean episodes are hated just as much, only for different reasons namely, being boring, derivative, full of forced humor, and carrying an air of WereStillRelevantDammit due to dated pop culture jokes just to attempt [[DuelingShows dueling]] with ''FamilyGuy'' ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' in FOX's lineup. In fact, it's just safe to say that anything after season 8 on ''The Simpsons'' is a mixed bag at best, but has ''some'' good moments in it, though those have been getting rare since season 13.



** But the seasons that deserve a mention are Seasons 11 and 12, which many feel they were the show's worst. Those seasons rely heavily on [[BizarroEpisode bizarre plots]], [[GainaxEnding nonsensical twist endings]], [[CelebrityStar tons of special guest stars]], and ''SouthPark''/''FamilyGuy''-style humor.

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** But the seasons that deserve a mention are Seasons 11 and 12, which many feel they were the show's worst. Those seasons rely heavily on [[BizarroEpisode bizarre plots]], [[GainaxEnding nonsensical twist endings]], [[CelebrityStar tons of special guest stars]], and ''SouthPark''/''FamilyGuy''-style ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark''/''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''-style humor.
9th Jan '17 6:16:43 PM AlBundyFan365
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** "Lisa Goes Gaga" esentially played out like a Simpsons-Lady Gaga crossover fanfiction. While there have episodes with celebrity guest stars before on the show, this was literally 20 minutes of nothing but Lady Gaga having her ass kissed, which may have been great for her fans, but not to people who aren't really into her music. It's especially grating when you consider that some of the other famous iconic guest stars on the show like Music/PaulMcCartney, Creator/ElizabethTaylor, or Creator/KirkDouglas, only appeared in small cameo roles or parts that only took up one-third of the episode's plot. The episode rehashed a lot of jokes about Lady Gaga that have been done before (and done better elsewhere) and received some, if not all, backlash from fans.

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** "Lisa Goes Gaga" esentially essentially played out like a Simpsons-Lady Gaga crossover fanfiction. While there have episodes with celebrity guest stars before on the show, this was literally 20 minutes of nothing but Lady Gaga having her ass kissed, which may have been great for her fans, but not to people who aren't really into her music. It's especially grating when you consider that some of the other famous iconic guest stars on the show like Music/TheRamones, Music/PaulMcCartney, Creator/ElizabethTaylor, or Creator/KirkDouglas, only appeared in small cameo roles or parts that only took up one-third of the episode's plot. The episode rehashed a lot of jokes about Lady Gaga that have been done before (and done better elsewhere) and received some, if not all, backlash from fans.



* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: How longtime fans and animation students felt about the TitleSequence that has been in use since the LABFXX production season (i.e. season 20 starting from "Take My Life, Please"). Special mention goes to [[http://imgur.com/gallery/AhCu0 Marge's animation during the supermarket scene]], which went from elaborate movement to a simple turn of her head. It's understandable in context (her time was shortened in orde to add in Gerald and Maggie fist shaking), but still.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: How longtime fans and animation students felt about the TitleSequence that has been in use since the LABFXX production season (i.e. season 20 starting from "Take My Life, Please"). Special mention goes to Two main instances stand out. The first one is [[http://imgur.com/gallery/AhCu0 Marge's animation during the supermarket scene]], which went from elaborate movement to a simple turn of her head. It's understandable in context (her time was shortened in orde order to add in Gerald and Maggie fist shaking), but still.still. The second one is Homer getting hit by Marge's car and bursting through the door in the garage instead of him screaming at the sight of the car and running away from it via the same door.



** Ruth Powers and her daughter Laura were introduced in season 4 as the Simpsons' new neighbors. Laura acted as Bart's crush and become something of an older sister to him at the end of her first appearance. In the next season, Ruth had her own episode where she became good friends with Marge and went on an adventure with her. They could have played a larger role in many Simpson's adventures, but aside from a few cameos, Ruth herself only made a sinlge appearance a decade later.

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** Ruth Powers and her daughter Laura were introduced in season 4 as the Simpsons' new neighbors. Laura acted as Bart's crush and become something of an older sister to him at the end of her first appearance. In the next season, Ruth had her own episode where she became good friends with Marge and went on an adventure with her. They could have played a larger role in many Simpson's adventures, but aside from a few cameos, Ruth herself only made a sinlge single appearance a decade later.
7th Jan '17 8:48:24 PM GoldenKeyblade
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: How longtime fans and animation students felt about the TitleSequence that has been in use since the LABFXX production season (i.e. season 20 starting from "Take My Life, Please"). Special mention goes to [[http://imgur.com/gallery/AhCu0 Marge's animation during the supermarket scene]], which went from elaborate movement to a simple turn of her head. Understandable that her time was shortened just to add in Gerald and Maggie fist shaking, but still.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: How longtime fans and animation students felt about the TitleSequence that has been in use since the LABFXX production season (i.e. season 20 starting from "Take My Life, Please"). Special mention goes to [[http://imgur.com/gallery/AhCu0 Marge's animation during the supermarket scene]], which went from elaborate movement to a simple turn of her head. Understandable that her It's understandable in context (her time was shortened just in orde to add in Gerald and Maggie fist shaking, shaking), but still.
24th Dec '16 5:25:23 AM CumbersomeTercel
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** Dr. Hibbert's whole situation (by original design and {{Flanderization}}) of being the anti-[[Series/TheCosbyShow Cliff Huxtable]], in light of the ''RealLife'' crimes that Creator/BillCosby has done, even ''during'' the filming of said show. Especially in "On a Clear Day I Can't See My Sister", where Hibbert makes a reference to dealing a sexual harassment lawsuit.

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** Dr. Hibbert's whole situation (by original design and {{Flanderization}}) of being the anti-[[Series/TheCosbyShow Cliff Huxtable]], in light of the ''RealLife'' crimes that Creator/BillCosby has done, even ''during'' the filming of said show. Especially in "On a Clear Day I Can't See My Sister", where Hibbert makes a reference to dealing with a sexual harassment lawsuit.
9th Dec '16 10:55:48 AM Premonition45
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1st Dec '16 11:29:06 AM PF
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* In "Brush With Greatness", as Music/RingoStarr is responding to fan mail from the 1960s, he says "I don't care if it takes me another 20 years. I'm going to answer every one of them." In October 2008, Starr announced he'd no longer accept any more fan mail.

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* ** In "Brush With Greatness", as Music/RingoStarr is responding to fan mail from the 1960s, he says "I don't care if it takes me another 20 years. I'm going to answer every one of them." In October 2008, Starr announced he'd no longer accept any more fan mail.
1st Dec '16 11:24:21 AM PF
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** ''Homer's Enemy'': "Don't let your jealousy consume you and prevent you from accepting apologies from people who genuinely want to befriend you". The intentional Aesop is "Being the OnlySaneMan actually sucks".

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** ''Homer's Enemy'': "Homer's Enemy": "Don't let your jealousy consume you and prevent you from accepting apologies from people who genuinely want to befriend you". The intentional Aesop is "Being the OnlySaneMan actually sucks".



* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: ''Homer's Enemy''. Even though Frank Grimes has worked extremely hard in his life, he also comes off as a myopic pedant and a hard worker working for all the wrong reasons- Considering how he attempts to work and function in a society that is possibly morally and ethically broken beyond repair and is just asking for it, and how he looks at what Homer and his family has as "normal", and is pure straight out jealous of him, he also reeks of EpilepticTrees of self entitled, self pitying, and uninsightful idiots that believe that playing the same IdiotBall game of materialistic society will make them the kings of the Idiot Ball, instead of saying [[ScrewTheMoneyIHaveRules "Screw the money, I have standards."]] Plus it also doesn't help that Springfield was mentioned and is constantly shown in infamous light in all of America, episodes PRIOR to his employment in "America's Crudbucket." Even though Homer is portrayed as stupid, Grimes' brand of stupidity got him what he deserved. It's also worth noting that the episode's plot is similar to ''Film/{{Amadeus}}'', which was the TropeCodifier for DrivenByEnvy. It's not hard to see Frank and Homer as analogous to Salieri and Mozart.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: ''Homer's Enemy''."Homer's Enemy". Even though Frank Grimes has worked extremely hard in his life, he also comes off as a myopic pedant and a hard worker working for all the wrong reasons- Considering how he attempts to work and function in a society that is possibly morally and ethically broken beyond repair and is just asking for it, and how he looks at what Homer and his family has as "normal", and is pure straight out jealous of him, he also reeks of EpilepticTrees of self entitled, self pitying, and uninsightful idiots that believe that playing the same IdiotBall game of materialistic society will make them the kings of the Idiot Ball, instead of saying [[ScrewTheMoneyIHaveRules "Screw the money, I have standards."]] Plus it also doesn't help that Springfield was mentioned and is constantly shown in infamous light in all of America, episodes PRIOR to his employment in "America's Crudbucket." Even though Homer is portrayed as stupid, Grimes' brand of stupidity got him what he deserved. It's also worth noting that the episode's plot is similar to ''Film/{{Amadeus}}'', which was the TropeCodifier for DrivenByEnvy. It's not hard to see Frank and Homer as analogous to Salieri and Mozart.



* BaseBreakingCharacter: Really depends on the writer (and what season you watch).

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Really depends on the writer (and what season you watch).



*** Many fans' problem with him is that most of the writers apparently believe ''every single fan'' is like him. That or they use him as a way to ignore valid criticism of the show's quality.
*** That, and some of his deflections are a blatant TakeThat to anyone who dislikes the recent seasons.
*** Due to the series' longevity many characters have been re-used many times for a storyline/plot-thread, Comic Book Guy being one of the most prominent examples. While often this isn't bad, it has lead to the series examining him and his life on such a detailed way it makes people grow tedious and bored of him. Most people would prefer seeing characters that the series hasn't touched on to its fullest yet (like Patty or Lenny) over seeing him again being dramatic about Star Wars or his Japanese wife.
1st Dec '16 11:15:58 AM PF
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** In the first several seasons both political parties, with jokes about how Republicans were Evil and Democrats were Incompetent. The bashing of republicans versus the lionization of democrats is relatively new, although this is largely because the series can actually get away with such content now. Groening has always expressed his hatred for Republicans outside the show.
** Arby's Restaurant is also considered fair game for some reason.

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** In the first several seasons both political parties, with jokes about how Republicans were Evil evil and Democrats were Incompetent. incompetent. The bashing of republicans Republicans versus the lionization of democrats Democrats is relatively new, although this is largely because the series can actually get away with such content now. Groening Creator/MattGroening has always expressed his hatred for Republicans outside the show.
** Arby's Restaurant is also considered fair game for some reason.



*** While making fun of other religions is purported to be fair game, Christianity seems to be the preferred target among religions.
** ''The Godfather, Part III''

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*** ** While making fun of other religions is purported to be fair game, Christianity seems to be the preferred target among religions.
** ''The Godfather, Part III''III''.



** As with all of Creator/MattGroening's work, UsefulNotes/RichardNixon is a popular target.

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** As with all of Creator/MattGroening's Groening's work, UsefulNotes/RichardNixon is a popular target.
1st Dec '16 11:13:32 AM PF
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* In "Brush With Greatness", as Music/RingoStarr is responding to fan mail from the 1960s, he says "I don't care if it takes me another 20 years. I'm going to answer every one of them." In October 2008, Starr announced he'd no longer accept any more fan mail.
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