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* DesignatedVillain: [[spoiler: By the chain of command, the US President needs to be held accountable for ordering Devereaux into New York to instill martial law. His fate is not seen in the film, partly because the film is primarily set within New York City and wraps things up with the siege ending, and partly because at the time it was considered unthinkable to arrest the US President. But it can be implied that the President's reputation will have suffered some damage for authorizing the siege.]]
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** The "premonition value" of this film is lowered a bit if you remember that [[OlderThanTheyThink in 1993]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzi_Yousef an al-Qaeda related organization]] already planned to hit New York City several times, before they settled for "just" trying to blow up the World Trade Center.
** On the other side, a democratically elected government declaring martial law in response to a terrorist incident is exactly what happened in Canada during the 1970 October Crisis (thankfully, without much in the way of human rights abuses, though). The same thing happened after the Boston Marathon bombing in 2013.
** The Posse Comitatus Act does not prevent the Army from performing protective duties, or for that matter, law enforcement duties. Further, the military (Army and Air Force specifically) can be used for any law enforcement act, if Congress authorizes it. The military can also act to protect the country from foreign threats, whether an army or a singular threat.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Creator/RogerEbert [[http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-siege-1998 was extremely critical]] of the film because of what he believed was [[CluelessAesop a poor attempt]] at subverting the anti-Arab/Islamophobic attitudes typically found in other movies.
-->"I'm not arguing that ''The Siege'' is a deliberately offensive movie. It's not that brainy. In its clumsy way, it throws in comments now and then to show it knows the difference between Arab terrorists and American citizens. But the prejudicial attitudes embodied in the film are insidious, like the anti-Semitism that infected fiction and journalism in [[TheThirties the 1930s]]--not [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler just]] in [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany Germany]], but in Britain and America."
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* RetroactiveRecognition: That patrol cop at the second bus hostage scene who tells Hubbard that there are kids on the bus? That's Wood Harris, before he became better known as Avon Barksdale in ''Series/TheWire''. And Floyd Rose is played by Lance Reddick, who ''Wire'' fans will better know from playing Cedric Daniels.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: That patrol cop at the second bus hostage scene who tells Hubbard that there are kids on the bus? That's Wood Harris, Creator/WoodHarris, before he became better known as Avon Barksdale in ''Series/TheWire''. And Floyd Rose is played by Lance Reddick, Creator/LanceReddick, who ''Wire'' fans will better know from playing Cedric Daniels.
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** One member of the council discussing the possibility of sending in the Army briefly floats the notion of finding TheManBehindTheMan, offhandedly suggesting Libya, Iran and Iraq. Two out of three of those would undergo violent regime change in the following two decades.
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** From a rather specific point of view, they're all right: Hubbard's steadfast belief in the law is what you'd expect from an FBI agent, but it's utterly useless against dedicated Islamic terrorists who will die for their cause. Elise's attempts to sway and use people have their uses, as she's able to help identify several cells and gather needed intelligence to take them down, but the blowback from her operations years before the main plot were what set everything off. And Devereaux specifically argued against martial law, and specifically stated that he didn't want to do it, but he was ordered to and therefore he was doing it. He's not wrong to follow orders, and he has the best intentions in mind, but he does take it too far without realizing it.

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** From a rather specific point of view, they're all right: Hubbard's steadfast belief in the law is what you'd expect from an FBI agent, but it's utterly useless against dedicated Islamic terrorists who will die are willing to commit kamikaze runs for their cause. Elise's attempts to sway and use people have their uses, as she's able to help identify several cells and gather needed intelligence to take them down, but the blowback from her operations years before the main plot were what set everything off. And Devereaux specifically argued against martial law, and specifically stated that he didn't want to do it, but he was ordered to and therefore he was doing it. He's not wrong to follow orders, and he has the best intentions in mind, but he does take it too far without realizing it.



** Terrorist incidents in the United States that happened after this movie, like 9/11 and the Boston Marathon bombing, may not have led to martial law, mass detention, torture by military personnel and use of helicopter gunships in urban areas, but the subsequent counter-insurgency campaign in Iraq used exactly these tactics.

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** Terrorist incidents in the United States that happened after this movie, like 9/11 and the Boston Marathon bombing, may not have led to martial law, mass detention, torture by military personnel and use of helicopter gunships in urban areas, areas of American cities, but the subsequent counter-insurgency campaign campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq used exactly these tactics.



** This trope is also inverted of sort in that the tipping point is a bombing of an FBI field office that kills over 600 people. The movie treats it as the most horrific terrorist act that could ever happen in the US. More than four times that many people were killed at the World Trade Center alone, and more than five times that many once the deaths from the Pentagon and United Airlines Flight 93 are added on. Though in the movie, part of the reason the attack on One Federal Plaza was so devastating was that with the FBI counterterrorism office destroyed, their capability to respond to additional attacks was severely weakened.

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** This trope is also inverted of sort in that the tipping point is a bombing of an FBI field office that kills over 600 people. The movie treats it as the most horrific terrorist act that could ever happen in the US.New York City. More than four times that many people were killed at the World Trade Center alone, and more than five times that many once the deaths from the Pentagon and United Airlines Flight 93 are added on. Though in the movie, part of the reason the attack on One Federal Plaza was so devastating was that with the FBI counterterrorism office destroyed, their capability to respond to additional attacks was severely weakened.



** The second bombing involves the bombing of the New Victory Theater in Times Square, which results in mass casualties. While no theatres in the vicinity of Times Square have been targeted by bombs, Times Square itself was the target in 2010 of an attempted car bombing.

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** The second bombing involves the bombing of the New Victory Theater in Times Square, which results in mass casualties. While no theatres in the vicinity of Times Square New York City have been targeted by bombs, Times Square itself was the target in 2010 of an attempted car bombing.



* UnfortunateImplications: Creator/RogerEbert [[http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-siege-1998 was extremely critical]] of ''Film/TheSiege'' because of what he believed was [[CluelessAesop a poor attempt]] at subverting the anti-Arab/Islamophobic attitudes typically found in other movies.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Creator/RogerEbert [[http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-siege-1998 was extremely critical]] of ''Film/TheSiege'' the film because of what he believed was [[CluelessAesop a poor attempt]] at subverting the anti-Arab/Islamophobic attitudes typically found in other movies.


** General Devereaux's HeelRealization [[IgnoredEpiphany rings hollow]] today, as [[Creator/BruceWillis his actor]] endorsed [[UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump a politician]] who regularly demonizes Muslims and other minorities, resulting in Concentration Camps (albeit for undocumented immigrants) and the above-mentioned airport detentions.
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** General Devereaux's HeelRealization [[IgnoredEpiphany rings hollow]] today, as [[Creator/BruceWillis his actor]] endorsed [[UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump a politician]] who regularly demonizes Muslims and other minorities, resulting in Concentration Camps (albeit for undocumented immigrants) and the above-mentioned airport detentions.

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