History YMMV / TheSandman

21st Nov '16 1:18:01 AM DrPsyche
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Desire naturally comes across as evil and petty, making it an obvious villain. Given, however, that the personality of each Endless is to some extent a reflection of their function and not easily changed, Desire might be understood not as malevolent, but rather amoral. Much like Delirium is insane, Destiny is indifferent or Dream is aloof, Desire is as reckless, volatile and cruel as desire itself.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
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Desire naturally comes across as evil and petty, making it an obvious villain. Given, however, that the personality of each Endless is to some extent a reflection of their function and not easily changed, Desire might be understood not as malevolent, but rather amoral. Much like Delirium is insane, Destiny is indifferent or Dream is aloof, Desire is as reckless, volatile and cruel as desire itself.itself.
** Remiel is a perfectly capable ruler of Hell. While he's pompous and switching Hell's goal from "punishment" to "redemption" is seen as tediously unnecessary and a sign that he's incompetent at his job; in actuality he's still fulfilling the same role as Lucifer, keeping the damned souls in the tortuous afterlife as intended. When the damned claim that the idea that they're being redeemed rather than punished "makes hell worse," it could just be a new type of suffering rather than an inability to understand how Hell's "supposed" to run.
7th Aug '16 6:31:03 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: When it was first released, "A Game of You" got a very chilly reception from much of the fandom for veering away from the series' larger plot to focus on the adventures of a handful of smaller characters, only a few of whom had any connection to previous arcs. Plus it's kind of depressing, {{Anvilicious}}, and has a DownerEnding. On the other hand, it featured some of the few sympathetic LGBT characters available in comics at the time and earned Gaiman an award from GLAAD.

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* BaseBreaker: BrokenBase: When it was first released, "A Game of You" got a very chilly reception from much of the fandom for veering away from the series' larger plot to focus on the adventures of a handful of smaller characters, only a few of whom had any connection to previous arcs. Plus it's kind of depressing, {{Anvilicious}}, and has a DownerEnding. On the other hand, it featured some of the few sympathetic LGBT characters available in comics at the time and earned Gaiman an award from GLAAD.
8th Jul '16 10:22:39 AM Azvolrien
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** Rainie Blackwell, a.k.a. Element Girl from the short story ''Facade''; the poor woman is so desperately lonely and unhappy, you just want to give her a hug. [[spoiler:As does Death.]]
21st Jun '16 9:19:17 PM QueenofSwords
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Lyta Hall as of "The Kindly Ones." [[spoiler:She's gone mad with grief over losing her son and being led to believe that she's dead (and Morpheus is responsible), thus leading her to seek out the Fates. Unfortunately, while possessed by them, she kills a bunch of people who had ''nothing'' to do with her grudge regarding Morpheus except for the fact that they reside in the Dreaming. Even after she learns that she was wrong and that Daniel was still alive, she later goes on to badmouth Morpheus ''at his wake'' and call him a monster.]] The kicker? She's basically a KarmaHoudini.
8th Apr '16 8:07:02 PM Sunburst
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Desire naturally comes across as evil and petty, making it an obvious villain. Given, however, that the personality of each Endless is to some extent a reflection of their function and not easily changed, Desire might be understood not as malevolent, but rather amoral. Much like Delirium is insane, Destiny is indifferent or Dream is aloof, Desire is as reckless, volatile and cruel as desire itself.
26th Jan '16 11:54:10 AM Pren
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** Lucifer too gets wasted after he resigns his post as Lord of Hell. While he makes continuous cameos in the book, seeming to build up to getting involved in The Kindly Ones, he does precisely nothing to affect the story.

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** Lucifer too gets wasted after he resigns his post as Lord of Hell. While he makes continuous cameos in the book, seeming to build up to getting involved in The Kindly Ones, he does precisely nothing to affect the story. On the plus side, he got his own spin-off series which was the only remotely successful one.
8th Dec '15 11:19:24 AM TheMightyHeptagon
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** Wanda was a character explicitly stated to be transgender, back when something like that rarely ever happened. Now that transgender characters are more common and understood, her character is being examined much more closely. There's also the fact that she dies, a common fate for gay and transgender characters, and the fact that after Wanda's death, she appears in Barbie's dream looking more like a cisgender woman. For what it's worth, Gaiman based Wanda on a trans woman he actually knew at the time (Thessaly was based on one of her critics, who he disagreed with), and said he wouldn't write her the same way now. But he's still proud of her, and she's undeniably a good, loyal friend to Barbie, and Barbie treats her like the woman she knows she is.

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** Wanda was a character explicitly stated to be transgender, back when something like that rarely ever happened. Now that transgender characters are more common and understood, her character is being examined much more closely. There's also In particular, there's the fact that she dies, dies ([[BuryYourGays a common fate for gay and transgender characters, characters]]), and the fact that after Wanda's death, the Moon denies her the right to accompany her female housemates to the Land because she appears in Barbie's dream looking more like wasn't born a cisgender woman. For what it's worth, Gaiman based Wanda on a trans woman he actually knew at the time (Thessaly was based on one of her critics, who he disagreed with), and said that he wouldn't write her the same way now. But he's still proud of her, and she's undeniably a good, loyal friend to Barbie, and Barbie treats her like the woman she knows she is.
7th Dec '15 2:12:59 PM StrixObscuro
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** Dave [=McKean's=] beautiful and haunting covers which employed different media. Even more impressive when taken into consideration that many were made without Photoshop
** J.H. Williams III's art in Sandman Overture is breathtaking

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** Dave [=McKean's=] beautiful and haunting covers which employed different media. Even more impressive when taken into consideration that many were made without Photoshop
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** J.H. Williams III's art in Sandman Overture is breathtakingbreathtaking.
* BaseBreaker: When it was first released, "A Game of You" got a very chilly reception from much of the fandom for veering away from the series' larger plot to focus on the adventures of a handful of smaller characters, only a few of whom had any connection to previous arcs. Plus it's kind of depressing, {{Anvilicious}}, and has a DownerEnding. On the other hand, it featured some of the few sympathetic LGBT characters available in comics at the time and earned Gaiman an award from GLAAD.



** On a different tack, the "ethnic" stories. Both then and now, the entire point was to show that ''everyone'' dreams, that Dream is much older than the USA (or UK) and that not all the action has to happen on the U.S. eastern seaboard, which is a pretty commendable effort compared to ''Sandman'''s contemporaries (or even many efforts afterward). In the 21st century, though, it's hard not to notice that a lot of the non-caucasian-focused stories tend to lean ''pretty heavily'' on the stereotypes ("Tales in the Sand" and "Ramadan" are the worst offenders about this), a lot of which come across pretty negatively.

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** On a different tack, the "ethnic" stories. Both then and now, the entire point was to show that ''everyone'' dreams, that Dream is much older than the USA (or UK) and that not all the action has to happen on the U.S. eastern seaboard, which is a pretty commendable effort compared to ''Sandman'''s contemporaries (or even many efforts afterward). In the 21st century, though, it's hard not to notice that a lot of the non-caucasian-focused non-Caucasian-focused stories tend to lean ''pretty heavily'' on the stereotypes ("Tales in the Sand" and "Ramadan" are the worst offenders about this), a lot of which come across pretty negatively.



** Or rather, they wasted a perfectly good opportunity for a great character in Rose's mom. Lots is made about Rose being [[spoiler: Desire's granddaughter]], but there seems to be no effect on her mother despite, you know, [[spoiler: being Desire's ''daughter''!]]. She gets basically no characterization besides her role as a mother and seems to be in no way more than a normal human being.

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** Or rather, they wasted a perfectly good opportunity for a great character in Rose's mom. Lots is made about Rose being [[spoiler: Desire's [[spoiler:Desire's granddaughter]], but there seems to be no effect on her mother despite, you know, [[spoiler: being [[spoiler:being Desire's ''daughter''!]]. She gets basically no characterization besides her role as a mother and seems to be in no way more than a normal human being.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodLineArt: Applies to much of the art, but most especially the amazing artwork from "The Season of Mists"; Ty Bender's non-fiction "Sandman Companion" featured excerpts of the same artwork without the hideous colouring, and the difference is astonishing.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodLineArt: Applies to much of the art, but most especially the amazing artwork from "The Season of Mists"; Ty Bender's non-fiction "Sandman Companion" featured excerpts of the same artwork without the hideous colouring, coloring, and the difference is astonishing.



** In the case of the Delirium chapter, [[WordOfGod what happened was]] that Gaiman sent the script to Bill Sienkewicz, the artist... who apparently painted whatever it inspired him to paint. When he got the art back, Gaiman had to cut up his script and shuffle both script and art around to come with something that worked. (FrankMiller later confirmed to Gaiman that the same thing happened when he wrote ''Elektra: Assassin''.)
* TheWoobie: Poor Nuala; sold out by the fairies, summarily ignored by Morpheus, dismissed peremptorily with a broken heart, treated like crap, and then the poor thing goes and [[spoiler:accidentally helps her crush kill himself]].

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** In the case of the Delirium chapter, [[WordOfGod what happened was]] that Gaiman sent the script to Bill Sienkewicz, the artist... who apparently painted whatever it inspired him to paint. When he got the art back, Gaiman had to cut up his script and shuffle both script and art around to come with something that worked. (FrankMiller (Creator/FrankMiller later confirmed to Gaiman that the same thing happened when he wrote ''Elektra: Assassin''.)
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Poor Nuala; sold out by the fairies, summarily ignored by Morpheus, dismissed peremptorily with a broken heart, treated like crap, and then the poor thing goes and [[spoiler:accidentally helps her crush kill himself]].
** Lyta Hall spent several years trapped in dreams with her husband, conceiving a child that stayed in her womb for a very long time. When she was finally released, she lost her husband and ended up a single mother, and had to contend with the unwanted attentions of Morpheus, who declared that since her son was conceived in the Dreaming, he was entitled to one day take the boy away from her. Is it any wonder that [[spoiler:she ended up going mad and becoming the host for the [[TheDreaded Kindly Ones]]]]?
** Minor character Hazel is deeply in love with Foxglove, but ends up pregnant after a one-night stand that she very much regrets... and then Thessaly goes and blabs about her pregnancy to Foxglove and drafts both her and Foxglove for a dangerous mission into the Dreaming to rescue their housemate Barbie. She and Fox ultimately work out their differences, but the mission is a failure and results in their apartment building being destroyed, leaving them homeless with a baby on the way. [[spoiler:And then there's the spin-offs, where Foxglove becomes a successful songwriter, but leaves Hazel at home to raise their son, who dies from SIDS, causing poor Hazel to get so desperate that she makes a deal offering to let Death take her in exchange for the boy getting a little more time. And meanwhile Foxglove cheats on her. Repeatedly.]]
26th Nov '15 5:52:34 PM nombretomado
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* OlderThanTheyThink: The series started as an attempt to reinvent the [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]] superhero, the Sandman, but went on its own merry way. Its popularity led to a revival for the original hero, though (''SandmanMysteryTheatre'' ran almost as long as the Gaiman ''Sandman'' did).

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* OlderThanTheyThink: The series started as an attempt to reinvent the [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]] superhero, the Sandman, but went on its own merry way. Its popularity led to a revival for the original hero, though (''SandmanMysteryTheatre'' (''ComicBook/SandmanMysteryTheatre'' ran almost as long as the Gaiman ''Sandman'' did).
5th Nov '15 10:46:33 AM Eagal
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* FairForItsDay / UnfortunateImplications: Wanda was a character explicitly stated to be transgender, back when something like that rarely ever happened. Now that transgender characters are more common and understood, her character is being examined much more closely.
** A common complaint is when Thessaly tells Wanda she "doesn't walk the moon road" (doesn't menstruate, because she's pre-op), so the dreams don't recognize her as a woman. Gaiman has mentioned the gods in his universe are imperfect, and aren't always correct.
** There's also the fact that she dies, a common fate for gay and transgender characters, and the fact that after Wanda's death, she appears in Barbie's dream looking more like a cisgender woman. For what it's worth, Gaiman based Wanda on a trans woman he actually knew at the time (Thessaly was based on one of her critics, who he disagreed with), and said he wouldn't write her the same way now. But he's still proud of her, and she's undeniably a good, loyal friend to Barbie, and Barbie treats her like the woman she knows she is.

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* FairForItsDay / UnfortunateImplications: FairForItsDay
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Wanda was a character explicitly stated to be transgender, back when something like that rarely ever happened. Now that transgender characters are more common and understood, her character is being examined much more closely. \n** A common complaint is when Thessaly tells Wanda she "doesn't walk the moon road" (doesn't menstruate, because she's pre-op), so the dreams don't recognize her as a woman. Gaiman has mentioned the gods in his universe are imperfect, and aren't always correct.\n** There's also the fact that she dies, a common fate for gay and transgender characters, and the fact that after Wanda's death, she appears in Barbie's dream looking more like a cisgender woman. For what it's worth, Gaiman based Wanda on a trans woman he actually knew at the time (Thessaly was based on one of her critics, who he disagreed with), and said he wouldn't write her the same way now. But he's still proud of her, and she's undeniably a good, loyal friend to Barbie, and Barbie treats her like the woman she knows she is.
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