History YMMV / TheSandman

18th Apr '18 1:42:35 PM TheMountainKing
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeArt: When not subjected to TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodLineArt, the art of the series was pretty spectacular

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeArt: When not subjected to TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodLineArt, the art of the series was pretty spectacularspectacular.
18th Apr '18 1:42:16 PM TheMountainKing
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** Comicbook/Prez1973 was a comic book character in his own right. Right down to being countered by Boss Smiley. At the time he was obscure, though by now he's [[PopularityPolynomial become well known for being obscure]] and the concept even [[Comicbook/Prez2015 got a revival.]]

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** Comicbook/Prez1973 was a comic book character in his own right. Right down to being countered by Boss Smiley. At the time he was obscure, though by now he's [[PopularityPolynomial become well known for being obscure]] and the concept even [[Comicbook/Prez2015 got a revival.]] revival]], which can be at least partly attributed to his appearance in ''Sandman''.



** Lucifer too gets wasted after he resigns his post as Lord of Hell. While he makes continuous cameos in the book, seeming to build up to getting involved in The Kindly Ones, he does precisely nothing to affect the story. On the plus side, he got his own spin-off series which was the only remotely successful one.

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** Lucifer too gets wasted after he resigns his post as Lord of Hell. While he makes continuous cameos in the book, seeming to build up to getting involved in The Kindly Ones, he does precisely nothing to affect the story. On the plus side, he got [[Comicbook/{{Lucifer}} his own spin-off series which was the only remotely successful one.series]].
18th Apr '18 1:38:31 PM TheMountainKing
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** Minor character Hazel is deeply in love with Foxglove, but ends up pregnant after a one-night stand that she very much regrets... and then Thessaly goes and blabs about her pregnancy to Foxglove and drafts both her and Foxglove for a dangerous mission into the Dreaming to rescue their housemate Barbie. She and Fox ultimately work out their differences, but the mission is a failure and results in their apartment building being destroyed, leaving them homeless with a baby on the way. [[spoiler:And then there's the spin-offs, where Foxglove becomes a successful songwriter, but leaves Hazel at home to raise their son, who dies from SIDS, causing poor Hazel to get so desperate that she makes a deal offering to let Death take her in exchange for the boy getting a little more time. And meanwhile Foxglove cheats on her. Repeatedly.]]

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** Minor character Hazel is deeply in love with Foxglove, but ends up pregnant after a one-night stand that she very much regrets... and then Thessaly goes and blabs about her pregnancy to Foxglove and drafts both her and Foxglove for a dangerous mission into the Dreaming to rescue their housemate Barbie. She and Fox ultimately work out their differences, but the mission is a failure and results in their apartment building being destroyed, leaving them homeless with a baby on the way. [[spoiler:And then there's the spin-offs, where Foxglove becomes a successful songwriter, but leaves Hazel at home to raise their son, who dies from SIDS, causing poor Hazel to get so desperate that she makes a deal offering to let Death take her in exchange for the boy getting a little more time. And meanwhile Foxglove cheats on her. Repeatedly.]] She is at least able to [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her happy ending]].
20th Jan '18 11:16:28 PM SinNanna
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* FriendlyFandoms: With ''Franchise/{{Discworld}}'', as part of the general friendliness between Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett. The fact that both are long running, GenreBusting examinations of the fantasy genre with highly sympathetic (though wildly different) versions of [[TheGrimReaper Death]] as major characters helps in this regard.



* {{Narm}}: The line below under {{Squick}}, both for how over the top it is, and because it may remind some readers of a certain Music/CannibalCorpse song...

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* {{Narm}}: The line below under {{Squick}}, both for how over the top it is, and because it may remind some readers of a certain Music/CannibalCorpse song...song.
17th Jan '18 7:45:41 AM moloch
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* OlderThanTheyThink: The series started as an attempt to reinvent the [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]] superhero, the Sandman, but went on its own merry way. Its popularity led to a revival for the original hero, though (''ComicBook/SandmanMysteryTheatre'' ran almost as long as the Gaiman ''Sandman'' did).
** Prez was a comic book character in his own right. Right down to being countered by Boss Smiley.
** Many of the inhabitants of the Dreaming, including Cain, Abel, Lucien, and Eve, were the "hosts" of DC's anthology series. As was Destiny, making him the only Endless that predates this series, and thus the "eldest".

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* OlderThanTheyThink: The popularity of the series as a [[GatewaySeries standalone "gateway series"]] also means some readers may not realise just how tied into [[ContinuityCavalcade DC continuity the series can be at times]].
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The series started as an attempt to drastically reinvent the [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]] superhero, the Sandman, but went on its own merry way. Its popularity led to a revival for Sandman. Almost every detail about the original hero, though (''ComicBook/SandmanMysteryTheatre'' ran almost as long as the Gaiman ''Sandman'' did).
previous Sandmen is actually found in older volumes of ''Sandman'', ''Justice League'' and ''Infinity, Inc''.
** Prez Comicbook/Prez1973 was a comic book character in his own right. Right down to being countered by Boss Smiley.
Smiley. At the time he was obscure, though by now he's [[PopularityPolynomial become well known for being obscure]] and the concept even [[Comicbook/Prez2015 got a revival.]]
** Many of All the inhabitants of the Dreaming, Dreaming in the first arc are DC's old [[HorrorHost horror anthology hosts]] including Cain, Abel, Cain (and Gregory), Abel (and the unseen friend he named Goldie after), Lucien, and Eve, were the "hosts" of DC's anthology series.Three Witches and the briefly mentioned "Fashion Thing" (the Mad Mod Witch). As was Destiny, making him the only Endless that predates this series, and thus the "eldest".
14th Jan '18 10:54:45 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Dr. Destiny]], aka John Dee, transforms from a standard, somewhat campy supervillain into a nightmare inducing lunatic. When first seen Destiny comes across as a harmless, even somewhat pitiable, man. This impression goes out the window when he, for no real reason, casually murders the woman who had given him a ride, made pleasant small talk with him, and given him a coat. Once the good doctor regains the Materioptikon, a ruby used by Morpheus to create reality from the fabric of dreams, Destiny shows off just how bad he truly is. Sitting in a diner, over a twenty-four period Destiny begins steadily driving the establishment's patrons and employees mad. He makes them have sex with each other, mutilate themselves, and torture and kill each other. At one point he gives them their minds back and when they demand to know why he's doing this to them, he responds, "[[ForTheEvulz Because I can]]." By the time he's finished all of the diner's inhabitants are dead. All while this was going on, Dr. Destiny was using the power of the ruby to drive everyone on the planet mad. One disturbing instance had him making a kids' show host tell his viewers to slice open their wrists. When Morpheus asks Destiny what his goal is now, Destiny replies that at first he wanted to rule but now he wants to [[OmnicidalManiac destroy the world and dance in the wreckage]].



* CompleteMonster: [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Dr. Destiny]], aka John Dee, transforms from a standard, somewhat campy supervillain into a nightmare inducing lunatic. When first seen, Dr. Destiny comes across as a harmless, even somewhat pitiable, man. This impression goes out the window when he, for no real reason, casually murders the woman who had given him a ride, made pleasant small talk with him, and given him a coat. Once the good doctor regains the Materioptikon, a ruby used by Morpheus to create reality from the fabric of dreams, Dr. Destiny shows off just how bad he truly is. Sitting in a diner, over a twenty-four period, Dr. Destiny begins steadily driving the establishment's patrons and employees mad. He makes them have sex with each other, mutilate themselves, and torture and kill each other. At one point he gives them their minds back and when they demand to know why he's doing this to them, he responds, [[ForTheEvulz "Because I can."]] By the time he's finished all of the diner's inhabitants are dead. All while this was going on, Dr. Destiny was using the power of the ruby to drive everyone on the planet mad. One disturbing instance had him making a kids' show host tell his viewers to slice open their wrists. When Morpheus asks him what his goal is now, Dr. Destiny replies that at first he wanted to rule but now he wants to [[OmnicidalManiac destroy the world and dance in the wreckage.]]
20th Oct '17 8:59:31 PM poi99
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** Wanda was a character explicitly stated to be transgender, back when something like that rarely ever happened. Now that transgender characters are more common and understood, her character is being examined much more closely. In particular, there's the fact that she dies ([[BuryYourGays a common fate for gay and transgender characters]]), and that the Moon denies her the right to accompany her female housemates to the Land because she wasn't born a woman. For what it's worth, Gaiman based Wanda on a trans woman he actually knew at the time (Thessaly was based on one of her critics, who he disagreed with), and said that he wouldn't write her the same way now. But he's still proud of her, and she's undeniably a good, loyal friend to Barbie, and Barbie treats her like the woman she knows she is.

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** Wanda was a character explicitly stated to be transgender, back when something like that rarely ever happened. Now that transgender characters are more common and understood, her character is being examined much more closely. In particular, there's closely, particularly the fact that she dies ([[BuryYourGays a common fate for gay and transgender characters]]), and that the Moon denies her the right to accompany her female housemates to the Land because she wasn't born a woman.characters]]). For what it's worth, Gaiman based Wanda on a trans woman he actually knew at the time (Thessaly was based on one of her critics, who he disagreed with), and said that he wouldn't write her the same way now. But he's still proud of her, and she's undeniably a good, loyal friend to Barbie, and Barbie treats her like the woman she knows she is.
20th Oct '17 8:55:44 PM poi99
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** Alternately, issue #13 ("Men of Good Fortune") [[note]]The issue that introduced Hob Gadling[[/note]] could be seen as this. It marked a big step in the series breaking from its {{horror}} roots, being a [[LighterAndSofter largely comical]] story that gave humans and the Endless equal dramatic focus and featured supernatural elements as plot devices instead of as the focus of the story. It was also the first time that the series delved into historical fiction (something that it became known for), and it largely started the series' tradition of {{subvert|ed trope}}ing and {{deconstruct|ed trope}}ing popular fantasy tropes, featuring a notable {{subver|ted trope}}sion of WhoWantsToLiveForever.

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** Alternately, issue #13 ("Men of Good Fortune") [[note]]The issue that introduced Hob Gadling[[/note]] could be seen as this. It marked a big step in the series breaking from its {{horror}} roots, being a [[LighterAndSofter largely comical]] story that gave humans and the Endless equal dramatic focus focus, and featured supernatural elements as plot devices instead of as the focus of the story. It was also the first time that the series delved into historical fiction (something that it became known for), and it largely started the series' tradition of {{subvert|ed trope}}ing and {{deconstruct|ed trope}}ing popular fantasy tropes, featuring a notable {{subver|ted trope}}sion of WhoWantsToLiveForever.
18th Sep '17 11:35:11 PM SinNanna
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* {{Narm}}: The line below under {{Squick}}, both for how over the top it is, and because it may remind some readers of a certain Music/CannibalCorpse song...
23rd Aug '17 5:35:01 PM BeastC
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* {{Squick}}: "Shep Cayle, who hasn't had an erection in a dozen years, is ejaculating violently--again, and again, and again: and now he's ''coming blood''. And he doesn't care." ''Ewww...''
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