History YMMV / TheRescuers

16th Nov '17 7:49:36 AM MarioandSmurfs
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** It is also much beloved in France, thanks to the [[SuperlativeDubbing/FrenchDubs top notch vocal performances]] of Roger Carel (Bernard) and Perrette Pradier (Madame Medusa).

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** It is also much beloved in France, thanks to the [[SuperlativeDubbing/FrenchDubs top notch vocal performances]] of Roger Carel (Bernard) and Perrette Pradier (Madame Medusa). There was even a 25th anniversary reunion featurette on the 2002 DVD in France.
16th Nov '17 7:40:48 AM MarioandSmurfs
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** It is also much beloved in France, thanks to the [[SuperlativeDubbing/FrenchDubs top notch vocal performances]] of Roger Carel (Bernard) and Perrette Pradier (Madame Medusa).
4th Nov '17 3:58:38 PM Sammettik
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* {{Moe}}: Penny.

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* TooDumbToLive: Cody in the second film falls into a poacher's trap - Mcleach's, specifically. Mcleach finds him, but then pulls him out and tells him it's just a lizard hole Joanna dug. It's obviously a lie and Cody knows it - but what could he possibly hope to gain by facing Mcleach and telling him he's a poacher? Can he arrest him or fight him? Cody has nothing stopping him from running off home right now but he sticks around to shout at a criminal with a gun who's repeatedly telling him to "Run along". And because he's still around, Joanna draws Mcleach's attention to the feather that was given to Cody.



* TheWoobie: [[HeartwarmingOrphan Penny]].

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4th Oct '17 4:19:44 PM Tightwire
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* TooDumbToLive: Cody in the second film falls into a poacher's trap - Mcleach's, specifically. Mcleach finds him, but then pulls him out and tells him it's just a lizard hole Joanna dug. It's obviously a lie and Cody knows it - but what could he possibly hope to gain by facing Mcleach and telling him he's a poacher? Can he arrest him or fight him? Cody has nothing stopping him from running off home right now but he sticks around to shout at a criminal with a gun who's repeatedly telling him to "Run along". And because he's still around, Joanna draws Mcleach's attention to the feather that was given to Cody.



* ValuesDissonance: The film has some mild examples, mostly to do with today's stricter ratings standards. It can be startling to see a HalfDressedCartoonAnimal knocking back moonshine, to say nothing of the villain's carefree attitude toward gun safety. There's also the little issue that, while all of the other mice in the Rescue Aid Society represent individual countries, the only one from Africa we see is just. . . Africa.

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* ValuesDissonance: The film has some mild examples, mostly to do with today's stricter ratings standards. It can be startling to see a HalfDressedCartoonAnimal knocking back moonshine, to say nothing of the villain's carefree attitude toward gun safety. There's also the little issue that, while all of the other mice in the Rescue Aid Society represent individual countries, the only one from Africa we see is just. . .just... Africa.
3rd Oct '17 7:34:51 PM schoi30
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* ViewerSpeciesConfusion: Brutus and Nero are crocodiles according to Miss Bianca (and they do have narrow snouts and interlocking like crocodiles, rather than broad ones and overbites like alligators), but viewers often refer to them as alligators. Although [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/85/5e/fd/855efd4f96ec14db887bab4f5a056bde.jpg the concept art]] suggests they were initially going to be alligators.

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* ViewerSpeciesConfusion: Brutus and Nero are crocodiles according to Miss Bianca (and they do have narrow snouts and interlocking teeth like crocodiles, rather than broad ones and overbites like alligators), but viewers often refer to them as alligators. Although [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/85/5e/fd/855efd4f96ec14db887bab4f5a056bde.jpg the concept art]] suggests they were initially going to be alligators.
3rd Oct '17 7:28:38 PM schoi30
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* ViewerSpeciesConfusion: Brutus and Nero are crocodiles according to Miss Bianca (and they do have narrow snouts and interlocking like crocodiles, rather than broad ones and overbites like alligators), but viewers often refer to them as alligator. Although [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/85/5e/fd/855efd4f96ec14db887bab4f5a056bde.jpg the concept art]] suggests they were initially going to be alligators.

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* ViewerSpeciesConfusion: Brutus and Nero are crocodiles according to Miss Bianca (and they do have narrow snouts and interlocking like crocodiles, rather than broad ones and overbites like alligators), but viewers often refer to them as alligator.alligators. Although [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/85/5e/fd/855efd4f96ec14db887bab4f5a056bde.jpg the concept art]] suggests they were initially going to be alligators.
3rd Oct '17 7:28:28 PM schoi30
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* ViewerSpeciesConfusion: Brutus and Nero are often called crocodiles (and they do have narrow snouts like crocodiles, rather than broad ones like alligators), but [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/85/5e/fd/855efd4f96ec14db887bab4f5a056bde.jpg the concept art]] states that they are alligators.

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* ViewerSpeciesConfusion: Brutus and Nero are often called crocodiles according to Miss Bianca (and they do have narrow snouts and interlocking like crocodiles, rather than broad ones and overbites like alligators), but viewers often refer to them as alligator. Although [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/85/5e/fd/855efd4f96ec14db887bab4f5a056bde.jpg the concept art]] states that suggests they are were initially going to be alligators.
24th Aug '17 11:30:02 AM StardustSoldier
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* ToyShip: Though they've never officially met, Penny and Cody are a popular couple.

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* ToyShip: Though Although they've never officially met, Penny and Cody are a popular couple.
9th Aug '17 7:58:01 AM GothicProphet
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15th Jun '17 8:35:13 PM chasemaddigan
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!!The films contain examples of:

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For tropes regarding the sequel, please see ''YMMV/TheRescuersDownUnder''.

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* AwesomeArt: The ''entire'' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-coYU-INP3E flight scene]]. But then what else would you expect from master animator Creator/GlenKeane?



* CommonKnowledge: Despite what many reviews claim, Marahute is never posited in-story to be the LastOfHerKind; [=McCleach=] only says she's "rare".
* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Percival C. McLeach]] from ''Down Under'' is one of the few humans in the series who seems to be aware that the animals are sentient. This does not stop him from, in his own words, "[[EvilPoacher tearing off their hides]]" to make a living. When [[KidHero Cody]] interferes with one of [=McLeach=]'s operations, the poacher kidnaps him, [[KnifeNut tosses knives]] at him, and locks him in one of the cramped cages he keeps the animals he's captured in, and uses him as bait to lure the eagle Marahute into his clutches; he subsequently instructs his monitor lizard sidekick, [[TheDragon Joanna the Goanna]], to devour the eagle's eggs, rendering the species rarer and thus more valuable. When the Rescuers visit [=McLeach=]'s hideout they find he is keeping three talking animals prisoner, intending to turn them all into luxury goods; [=McLeach=] himself is observed giving orders to Frank the Frilled Lizard, confirming that he knows they can understand him. When Cody proves too much trouble, [=McLeach=] ties Cody to a crane and [[WouldHurtAChild lowers him into a river filled with crocodiles]], only to raise him back up, then almost does it again, [[ForTheEvulz just to toy with him]]. When the power on his half-track goes out, stopping him from lowering Cody, [=McLeach=] takes out a gun and shoots the rope holding him above the river, only to be [[KarmicDeath swept over the waterfall himself]], while Joanna, who [[BadBoss McLeach had frequently abused]], looks on.
* ContestedSequel: Opinions are split on which of the two movies is superior: although the first is the most well-known, ''Down Under'' seems to have rapidly gathered a lot of fans after Creator/DougWalker put it on a list of Underrated Nostalgic Classics with movies such as ''Film/TheRocketeer'', ''WesternAnimation/TheIronGiant'', ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNimh'' and ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt''. Likewise the Nostalgia Chick didn't include it on her list of bad Disney sequels, pointing out in the followup Least Awful Disney Sequels that it doesn't even belong ''there'' as it's not awful at all. On the other hand, and popularity aside, fans of the first movie (for its charm, quiet pace, cute and moving characters) will tell you that ''Down Under'' might be a good adventure flick, but that in their opinion it's not what ''The Rescuers'' should be ''about''.
* CrossesTheLineTwice: [=McLeach=] is a rival to SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker in this despite being a character in a children's movie.
-->'''[=McLeach=]''': Home, home on the range! Where the critters are tied up in chains! I'll cut through their sides, and I'll rip off their hides, and the next day I'll do it again!
* EarWorm: "R-E-S, C-U-E, Rescue Aid Society..."

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* CommonKnowledge: Despite what many reviews claim, Marahute is never posited in-story to be the LastOfHerKind; [=McCleach=] only says she's "rare".
* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Percival C. McLeach]] from ''Down Under'' is one of the few humans in the series who seems to be aware that the animals are sentient. This does not stop him from, in his own words, "[[EvilPoacher tearing off their hides]]" to make a living. When [[KidHero Cody]] interferes with one of [=McLeach=]'s operations, the poacher kidnaps him, [[KnifeNut tosses knives]] at him, and locks him in one of the cramped cages he keeps the animals he's captured in, and uses him as bait to lure the eagle Marahute into his clutches; he subsequently instructs his monitor lizard sidekick, [[TheDragon Joanna the Goanna]], to devour the eagle's eggs, rendering the species rarer and thus more valuable. When the Rescuers visit [=McLeach=]'s hideout they find he is keeping three talking animals prisoner, intending to turn them all into luxury goods; [=McLeach=] himself is observed giving orders to Frank the Frilled Lizard, confirming that he knows they can understand him. When Cody proves too much trouble, [=McLeach=] ties Cody to a crane and [[WouldHurtAChild lowers him into a river filled with crocodiles]], only to raise him back up, then almost does it again, [[ForTheEvulz just to toy with him]]. When the power on his half-track goes out, stopping him from lowering Cody, [=McLeach=] takes out a gun and shoots the rope holding him above the river, only to be [[KarmicDeath swept over the waterfall himself]], while Joanna, who [[BadBoss McLeach had frequently abused]], looks on.
* ContestedSequel: Opinions are split on which of the two movies is superior: although the first is the most well-known, ''Down Under'' seems to have rapidly gathered a lot of fans after Creator/DougWalker put it on a list of Underrated Nostalgic Classics with movies such as ''Film/TheRocketeer'', ''WesternAnimation/TheIronGiant'', ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNimh'' and ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt''. Likewise the Nostalgia Chick didn't include it on her list of bad Disney sequels, pointing out in the followup Least Awful Disney Sequels that it doesn't even belong ''there'' as it's not awful at all. On the other hand, and popularity aside, fans of the first movie (for its charm, quiet pace, cute and moving characters) will tell you that ''Down Under'' might be a good adventure flick, but that in their opinion it's not what ''The Rescuers'' should be ''about''.
* CrossesTheLineTwice: [=McLeach=] is a rival to SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker in this despite being a character in a children's movie.
-->'''[=McLeach=]''': Home, home on the range! Where the critters are tied up in chains! I'll cut through their sides, and I'll rip off their hides, and the next day I'll do it again!
* EarWorm:
EarWorm:
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"R-E-S, C-U-E, Rescue Aid Society..."



* EnsembleDarkHorse:
** Percival [=McLeach=], one of the ''villains'', is probably the most remembered character.
** Frank the frilled lizard in ''Down Under''. He's quite a RidiculouslyCuteCritter for such a scaly reptile. Also, Joanna.
* EvilIsCool: [=McLeach=] was worse than Medusa as far as his actual actions go, but it was easier to dismiss him since, due to George C. Scott obviously having a ton of fun voicing him, he came off as being "cooler." [[RuleOfCool Plus, he's got a friggin halftrack.]] That's badass no matter who you are.
* FanPreferredCouple: even though they never meet in either movie, Penny and Cody are a popular couple in fanart and fanfics.

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* EnsembleDarkHorse:
** Percival [=McLeach=], one of the ''villains'', is probably the most remembered character.
** Frank the frilled lizard in ''Down Under''. He's quite a RidiculouslyCuteCritter for such a scaly reptile. Also, Joanna.
* EvilIsCool: [=McLeach=] was worse than Medusa as far as his actual actions go, but it was easier to dismiss him since, due to George C. Scott obviously having a ton of fun voicing him, he came off as being "cooler." [[RuleOfCool Plus, he's got a friggin halftrack.]] That's badass no matter who you are.
* FanPreferredCouple: even Even though they never meet in either movie, Penny and Cody are a popular couple in fanart and fanfics.



* HeartwarmingInHindsight: Cody bears a strong resemblance to Steve Irwin's son, [[http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4568430/Irwins-son-follows-dads-footsteps.html Bob]].
* HilariousInHindsight: The first film used "I like trains!" years before WebAnimation/ASDFMovie.
** In the second film, one of the Rescue Aid Society delegates is named [[Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame Esmeralda]].

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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: Cody bears a strong resemblance to Steve Irwin's son, [[http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4568430/Irwins-son-follows-dads-footsteps.html Bob]].
* HilariousInHindsight: The first film used "I like trains!" years before WebAnimation/ASDFMovie.
** In the second film, one of the Rescue Aid Society delegates is named [[Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame Esmeralda]].
WebAnimation/ASDFMovie.



** Mcleach greatly resembles his voice actor, George C. Scott.
* MagnificentBastard: [=McLeach=]. [[spoiler: When threats and violence don't loosen Cody's tongue, [=McLeach=] hatches a plan to trick Cody into leading him to Marahute by claiming she was shot by another hunter and then releasing him, anticipating that Cody will go to her nest to protect the eggs. He is proven correct, and after following Cody to the nest, he successfully catches Marahute as a result.]] Befitting of a character voiced by the TropeNamer himself, Creator/GeorgeCScott.
** Joanna has a minor, but hilarious, example of being one when she [[spoiler: manages to steal and eat all of the eggs [=McLeach=] was going to use to make an omelet through a series of clever tricks and fake-outs.]]
* MemeticMutation: "These are '''NOT''' Joanna eggs!"



* MoralEventHorizon: [=McLeach=] and Medusa each have various moments per character that are potential candidates for this, although you'll hear different answers from different people on which moment whichever character actually crossed it.
** Medusa goes from kidnapping an orphan girl named Penny so as to use her to find a diamond in a cave beneath a well to encouraging Snoops to be harsher when Penny doesn't find it to personally making Penny look for the diamond in the cave even though this actually puts Penny's life in danger. Then when Penny gets the diamond and Medusa takes it, Medusa holds Snoops AND Penny at gunpoint to deter them from taking it.
** [=McLeach=] goes from kidnapping Cody (the young boy who confronted [=McLeach's=] poaching) to tricking the authorities into thinking Cody is dead by throwing his backpack to the crocodiles to trying to coerce an eagle's whereabouts out of Cody by throwing sharp knives close to his head to locking Cody up in the same cages he uses for captured animals...but the most likely moment for MoralEventHorizon comes in the form of having Cody hanging from a rope tied to a crane, then lowering Cody into crocodile-infested waters and raised back out again, only to try and lower him in again, this time permanently. [=McLeach=]'s intent was to "tie up" the last "loose end" by eliminating the only human witness to his preceding crimes in a way that would look like an accident -- he even laughs about how the rangers will now find Cody's body at Croc Falls, exactly where they thought he was killed. But he [[ColdBloodedTorture just wanted to torture Cody first for the fun of it, apparently]].
* OlderThanTheyThink: The companion PDF file for ''[[CutSong The Lost Chords]]'' reveals that the first movie had been in production since 1962, placing this as the last movie released that was in production during Creator/WaltDisney's Era.
* {{Padding}}: Don't get the wrong idea, ''The Rescuers Down Under'' was well-made and pretty, but Bernard and Bianca are in less than half of it and their arc is a very straightforward one. If it were titled ''An Australian Movie That The Rescuers Appear In Briefly,'' you might appreciate the padding more.
** The entire scene with Cody in the cages with the animals. It doesn't affect the story, none of the characters established in it are met again and nothing was accomplished.
** Wilbur's back surgery, slapstick-funny as it was, also seemed tacked on.
** Almost necessary padding just to get it to feature-length; the movie runs a scant 77 minutes.
* SequelDisplacement: Some fans of ''Down Under'' have never heard of the original film. It doesn't help that almost every time Creator/WaltDisneyHomeVideo put out the ''Rescuers'' movies on a new format in North America, ''Down Under'' beat its predecessor by at least a year.[[note]]After ''The Rescuers''[='=] 1989 theatrical re-release made less money than did both ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid''[='=]s premiere engagement, and ''Disney/PeterPan''[='=]s '89 re-release, Disney decided to release those two movies on VHS and [=LaserDisc=] before it, with ''Down Under'' following them as ''Mermaid''[='=]s successor in the Animated Canon. Consequently, in the United States and Canada, ''Down Under'' made its VHS/[=LaserDisc=] debut in 1991, and ''The Rescuers'' made its VHS/[=LaserDisc=] debut in 1992. ''Down Under'' came to DVD in 2000, as part of the Walt Disney Gold Classic Collection, and ''The Rescuers'' in 2003, without any special banner. When the time came for Disney to release the movies on Blu-ray, they finally bucked this trend, by putting both of them out in 2012 -- on the same 2-Movie Collection Blu-ray Disc. In Europe, however, ''Rescuers'' made its video debut in 1991, followed by ''Down Under'' the following year; the only explanation for this is because Disney delayed ''Down Under'''s release in the Eastern Hemisphere by nearly a year.[[/note]]
* {{Sequelitis}}: The second film got some good reception, but became the sole financial bust of the Disney Renaissance (and only one of two Disney Animation bombs during Jeffrey Katzenberg's Disney career, the other being ''Disney/TheBlackCauldron''). It also has a lower RT rating than the original Dark Age Disney classic, though still in fresh territory.
* ToughActToFollow: ''Down Under'' was met with this reaction after ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' started the Disney Renaissance. The film received lukewarm reviews and being released on the same day as ''Film/HomeAlone'' didn't help.

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* MoralEventHorizon: [=McLeach=] and Medusa each have various moments per character that are potential candidates for this, although you'll hear different answers from different people on which moment whichever character actually crossed it.
**
Medusa goes from kidnapping an orphan girl named Penny so as to use her to find a diamond in a cave beneath a well to encouraging Snoops to be harsher when Penny doesn't find it to personally making Penny look for the diamond in the cave even though this actually puts Penny's life in danger. Then when Penny gets the diamond and Medusa takes it, Medusa holds Snoops AND Penny at gunpoint to deter them from taking it.
** [=McLeach=] goes from kidnapping Cody (the young boy who confronted [=McLeach's=] poaching) to tricking the authorities into thinking Cody is dead by throwing his backpack to the crocodiles to trying to coerce an eagle's whereabouts out of Cody by throwing sharp knives close to his head to locking Cody up in the same cages he uses for captured animals...but the most likely moment for MoralEventHorizon comes in the form of having Cody hanging from a rope tied to a crane, then lowering Cody into crocodile-infested waters and raised back out again, only to try and lower him in again, this time permanently. [=McLeach=]'s intent was to "tie up" the last "loose end" by eliminating the only human witness to his preceding crimes in a way that would look like an accident -- he even laughs about how the rangers will now find Cody's body at Croc Falls, exactly where they thought he was killed. But he [[ColdBloodedTorture just wanted to torture Cody first for the fun of it, apparently]].
* OlderThanTheyThink: The companion PDF file for ''[[CutSong The Lost Chords]]'' reveals that the first movie had been in production since 1962, placing this as the last movie released that was in production during Creator/WaltDisney's Era.
* {{Padding}}: Don't get the wrong idea, ''The Rescuers Down Under'' was well-made and pretty, but Bernard and Bianca are in less than half of it and their arc is a very straightforward one. If it were titled ''An Australian Movie That The Rescuers Appear In Briefly,'' you might appreciate the padding more.
** The entire scene with Cody in the cages with the animals. It doesn't affect the story, none of the characters established in it are met again and nothing was accomplished.
** Wilbur's back surgery, slapstick-funny as it was, also seemed tacked on.
** Almost necessary padding just to get it to feature-length; the movie runs a scant 77 minutes.
* SequelDisplacement: Some fans of ''Down Under'' have never heard of the original film. It doesn't help that almost every time Creator/WaltDisneyHomeVideo put out the ''Rescuers'' movies on a new format in North America, ''Down Under'' beat its predecessor by at least a year.[[note]]After ''The Rescuers''[='=] 1989 theatrical re-release made less money than did both ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid''[='=]s premiere engagement, and ''Disney/PeterPan''[='=]s '89 re-release, Disney decided to release those two movies on VHS and [=LaserDisc=] before it, with ''Down Under'' following them as ''Mermaid''[='=]s successor in the Animated Canon. Consequently, in the United States and Canada, ''Down Under'' made its VHS/[=LaserDisc=] debut in 1991, and ''The Rescuers'' made its VHS/[=LaserDisc=] debut in 1992. ''Down Under'' came to DVD in 2000, as part of the Walt Disney Gold Classic Collection, and ''The Rescuers'' in 2003, without any special banner. When the time came for Disney to release the movies on Blu-ray, they finally bucked this trend, by putting both of them out in 2012 -- on the same 2-Movie Collection Blu-ray Disc. In Europe, however, ''Rescuers'' made its video debut in 1991, followed by ''Down Under'' the following year; the only explanation for this is because Disney delayed ''Down Under'''s release in the Eastern Hemisphere by nearly a year.[[/note]]
* {{Sequelitis}}: The second film got some good reception, but became the sole financial bust of the Disney Renaissance (and only one of two Disney Animation bombs during Jeffrey Katzenberg's Disney career, the other being ''Disney/TheBlackCauldron''). It also has a lower RT rating than the original Dark Age Disney classic, though still in fresh territory.
* ToughActToFollow: ''Down Under'' was met with this reaction after ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' started the Disney Renaissance. The film received lukewarm reviews and being released on the same day as ''Film/HomeAlone'' didn't help.
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* ValuesDissonance: The original 1977 film has some mild examples, mostly to do with today's stricter ratings standards. It can be startling to see a HalfDressedCartoonAnimal knocking back moonshine, to say nothing of the villain's carefree attitude toward gun safety. There's also the little issue that, while all of the other mice in the Rescue Aid Society represent individual countries, the only one from Africa we see is just. . . Africa.

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* ValuesDissonance: The original 1977 film has some mild examples, mostly to do with today's stricter ratings standards. It can be startling to see a HalfDressedCartoonAnimal knocking back moonshine, to say nothing of the villain's carefree attitude toward gun safety. There's also the little issue that, while all of the other mice in the Rescue Aid Society represent individual countries, the only one from Africa we see is just. . . Africa.



* TheWoobie: [[HeartwarmingOrphan Penny]], and to a lesser extent Cody, who is more of an IronWoobie.
** Poor Bernard falls under this in the second film due to all the hell he suffers while trying to propose to Bianca. [[spoiler: [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming He succeeds in the end, luckily.]]]]

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* TheWoobie: [[HeartwarmingOrphan Penny]], and to a lesser extent Cody, who is more of an IronWoobie.
** Poor Bernard falls under this in the second film due to all the hell he suffers while trying to propose to Bianca. [[spoiler: [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming He succeeds in the end, luckily.]]]]
Penny]].
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