History YMMV / TheRamones

20th Nov '17 9:12:39 PM wyattte
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* {{Anvilicious}}: "Censorshit," and how! Even by Ramones standards, it's pretty on-the-nose.



* MusicToInvadePolandTo: They had goofy semi-hits like "Today Your Love, Tomorrow the World" and "Kommando" that traded on Nazi imagery. A few listeners didn't get the joke, and didn't realize that Joey was Jewish.

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* MusicToInvadePolandTo: They had goofy semi-hits like "Today Your Love, Tomorrow the World" and "Kommando" "Commando" that traded on Nazi imagery. A few listeners didn't get the joke, and didn't realize that Joey was Jewish.



* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: Many of their songs sound like they were cut from the same cloth, but a particularly notable example of the Ramones doing this to ''themselves'' is their song "Touring," which is more or less a rewrite of "Rock & Roll High School."



* VindicatedByHistory: They were not very popular during their day (at least in their home country, as the punk movement was mostly underground) but are today a staple of classic rock radio.

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* ValuesDissonance: The songs that invoked Nazi imagery are, let's say, not quite as ironic and dark-humored now as they were then, what with the notorious rise in white supremacist groups in the 2010s.
* VindicatedByHistory: They were not very popular during their day (at least in their home country, as the punk movement was mostly underground) but are today a staple of classic rock radio.radio, and widely considered one of the most important rock bands in history.
11th Oct '17 1:20:24 PM AreYouTyler
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The band helped launch PunkRock in Britain. (And, for that matter, everywhere else.)

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The band helped launch PunkRock in Britain.Britain and Spain, [[http://www.ozy.com/flashback/how-the-ramones-led-a-punk-rock-revolution-in-spain/81202 where they were one of the 80's most important bands]]. (And, for that matter, everywhere else.)
24th Sep '17 10:09:38 PM wyattte
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* EpicRiff: For the sake of brevity, let's just say '''a lot.''' Especially on the first four albums.



* GrowingTheBeard: Sure, ''[[SelfTitledAlbum Ramones]]'' kickstarted punk almost by itself. But critics almost universally agree that ''Music/RocketToRussia'' was when the band really came into their own, and many prefer the latter album.

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* GrowingTheBeard: Sure, ''[[SelfTitledAlbum Ramones]]'' ''Music/{{Ramones}}'' kickstarted punk almost by itself. But critics almost universally agree that ''Music/RocketToRussia'' was when the band really came into their own, and many prefer the latter album.
19th Jun '17 2:56:01 PM bt8257
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** The music video of "Pet Sematary" features the band at a cemetery, performing to which a ''tombstone'' is put on top of them as they're technically buried alive. This is ''worse'' now that Joey, Johnny, and Dee Dee are gone (Tommy as well tragically, but he wasn't in the band anymore during the time the band recorded ''Brain Drain'').
** ''Too Tough To Die''. The title is very tragic because, out of the four members who performed on the album, only drummer Richie Ramone is still alive.

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** The music video of "Pet Sematary" features the band at a cemetery, performing to which a ''tombstone'' is put on top of them as they're technically buried alive. This is ''worse'' now that Joey, Johnny, and Dee Dee are gone (Tommy as well tragically, but he wasn't in left the band anymore during well before the time the band recorded ''Brain Drain'').Drain'' was recorded).
** ''Too Tough To to Die''. The title is very tragic because, out of the four members who performed on the album, only drummer Richie Ramone is still alive.



--> ''When you're hooked on heroine\\

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--> ''When you're hooked on heroine\\heroin\\



* NightmareFuel:
** The [[http://rock-music.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/front2-945x945.jpg artwork]] for ''Brain Drain''. Yikes!

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* NightmareFuel:
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NightmareFuel: The [[http://rock-music.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/front2-945x945.jpg artwork]] for ''Brain Drain''. Yikes!



* SnarkBait: Not the band themselves by any means, rather the fact that all of their songs sounded near-identical. A common joke about the band is to say "I love all of their song."

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* SnarkBait: Not the band themselves by any means, rather the The fact that all of their songs sounded sound near-identical. A common joke about the band them is to say saying "I love all of their song."



* [[TheWoobie The Ramones Woobies]]: A definitive example of it, although they can all range to IronWoobie. The Ramones were a ''very'' influential band that suffered immense VindicatedByHistory and had very ''bad'' relationships with each other (Joey and Johnny especially), especially as they went on in their lives. The tragedy especially hits hard that after they broke up and only ''after'' the death of Joey did the band get recognition for their influence, which only spread when Dee Dee, Johnny, and Tommy ''decades'' later would pass away. While Marky, C.J. and Ritchie Ramone are still around, the original line up were the true forerunners of punk rock, and the brutal irony of that they put themselves as brothers when they were at each others throats makes it depressing. [[http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/the-curse-of-the-ramones-20160519 Even Rolling Stone noted this and pitied them]].

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* [[TheWoobie The Ramones Woobies]]: TheWoobie: A definitive example of it, example, although they can all range to IronWoobie. The Ramones were a ''very'' influential band that suffered immense VindicatedByHistory and had very ''bad'' relationships with each other (Joey and Johnny especially), especially as they went on in their lives. The tragedy especially hits hard that after they broke up and only ''after'' the death of Joey did the band get recognition for their influence, which only spread when Dee Dee, Johnny, and Tommy ''decades'' later would pass away. While Marky, C.J. and Ritchie Ramone are still around, the original line up were the true forerunners of punk rock, and the brutal irony of that they put themselves as brothers when they were at each others throats makes it depressing. [[http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/the-curse-of-the-ramones-20160519 Even Rolling Stone noted this and pitied them]].
19th Jun '17 2:52:23 PM bt8257
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* DorkAge: The better part of TheEighties, let's face it. They had their moments (most notably the minor classic ''Too Tough To Die'' from 1984) but fans are divided over [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their heavily produced pop crossovers.]]

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* DorkAge: The better part of TheEighties, let's face it. They had their moments (most notably the minor classic ''Too Tough To to Die'' from 1984) but fans are divided over [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their heavily produced pop crossovers.]]



* GrowingTheBeard: Sure, ''[[SelfTitledAlbum Ramones]]'' kickstarted punk almost by itself. But critics almost universally agree that ''Rocket To Russia'' was when the band really came into their own, and many prefer the latter album.
* HarsherInHindsight:
** Their last studio album is called "¡Adios Amigos!" ("¡Goodbye, buddies!"). After such album and the consequent tour, the band disbanded, and the four founding members died of different illnesses.

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* GrowingTheBeard: Sure, ''[[SelfTitledAlbum Ramones]]'' kickstarted punk almost by itself. But critics almost universally agree that ''Rocket To Russia'' ''Music/RocketToRussia'' was when the band really came into their own, and many prefer the latter album.
* HarsherInHindsight:
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HarsherInHindsight: Their last studio album is called "¡Adios Amigos!" ("¡Goodbye, buddies!"). After such album and the consequent tour, the band disbanded, and the four founding members died of different illnesses.
24th May '17 9:53:26 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Fans will say that they never released a 60's themed CoverAlbum called ''Acid Eaters''. They never worked on ''Music/EndOfTheCentury'' with Music/PhilSpector, either, and Dee Dee was ''never'' threatened with a gun.
21st May '17 9:50:48 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* DorkAge: The better part of the 80s, let's face it. They had their moments (most notably the minor classic ''Too Tough To Die'' from 1984) but fans are divided over [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their heavily produced pop crossovers.]]

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* DorkAge: The better part of the 80s, TheEighties, let's face it. They had their moments (most notably the minor classic ''Too Tough To Die'' from 1984) but fans are divided over [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their heavily produced pop crossovers.]]



* {{Narm}}[=/=]SoBadItsGood: Punk rocker Dee Dee Ramone becomes rapper Dee Dee King. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAl-xzN8e-M Hear for yourself Dee Dee's interpretation of hip hop.]] The one album under the Dee Dee King moniker, ''Standing In The Spotlight'' (subtle) was a critical and commercial dud.

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* {{Narm}}[=/=]SoBadItsGood: Punk rocker MusicToInvadePolandTo: They had goofy semi-hits like "Today Your Love, Tomorrow the World" and "Kommando" that traded on Nazi imagery. A few listeners didn't get the joke, and didn't realize that Joey was Jewish.
* {{Narm}}[=/=]SoBadItsGood:
** Dee Dee's out-of-print solo debut (under the name
Dee Dee Ramone becomes rapper King) ''Standing In The Spotlight''. While there are songs that are more typically Ramones-esque, most tracks prominently feature him ''rapping'' in a tone of voice that has been memorably compared to [[http://www.markprindle.com/ramone.htm#standing "a cartoon moose"]] and [[BoastfulRap making memorable boasts like]] "I'm the cut-creator, the master of rap\ when I walk down the street, homeboys tip their hat". What might be the weirdest moment on a fairly bizarre album is a hip-hop update of 60's dance craze "Mashed Potato Time" featuring back-up vocals from [[Music/{{Blondie}} Debbie Harry]] [[note]] The cover seems to have been done entirely for the sake of a StealthPun - the original version is by Dee Dee King. [[https://www.Sharp[[/note]]. The Ramones themselves ''did'' evidently like one song enough to remake it, though - they recorded a version of "The Crusher" that altered the lyrics, removed the RapRock elements, and featured Dee Dee's replacement CJ Ramone on vocals.
** While it's actually an outtake, one song coming from this same period was [[http://www.
youtube.com/watch?v=rAl-xzN8e-M Hear for yourself com/watch?v=RV7wP76wx4c a silly but adorable rap written from the point of view of Dee Dee's interpretation of hip hop.]] The one album under the Dee Dee King moniker, ''Standing In The Spotlight'' (subtle) was a critical and commercial dud.pet cat]].



* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: ''Music/RocketToRussia'', due to its UsefulNotes/ColdWar associations.

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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: ''Music/RocketToRussia'', TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Many fans disliked ''Music/EndOfTheCentury'' due to its UsefulNotes/ColdWar associations.the more mainstream sound.


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* WeirdAlEffect: "Pinhead" (Gabba gabba we accept you, we accept you one of us!), is actually a reference to the cult horror movie ''Film/{{Freaks}}''.
3rd Jan '17 4:29:39 PM CumbersomeTercel
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** ''Music/EndOfTheCentury,'' produced by no less than Phil Spector and presenting a somewhat LighterAndSofter Ramones.

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** ''Music/EndOfTheCentury,'' produced by no less than Phil Spector Music/PhilSpector and presenting a somewhat LighterAndSofter Ramones.
23rd Nov '16 3:20:48 PM bt8257
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** The band scored a UK top ten hit with their cover of The Ronnetes "Baby I Love You", while the original is pretty much forgotten these days.

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** The band scored a UK top ten hit with their cover of The Ronnetes Ronettes' "Baby I Love You", while the original is pretty much forgotten these days.
23rd Nov '16 3:15:45 PM bt8257
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** The music video of "Pet Sematary" features the band at a cemetery, performing to which a ''tombstone'' is put ontop of them as they're technically buried alive. This is ''worse'' now that Joey, Johnny, and Dee Dee Ramone are gone (Tommy as well tragically, but he wasn't in the band anymore during the time the band recorded ''Brain Drain'').

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** The music video of "Pet Sematary" features the band at a cemetery, performing to which a ''tombstone'' is put ontop on top of them as they're technically buried alive. This is ''worse'' now that Joey, Johnny, and Dee Dee Ramone are gone (Tommy as well tragically, but he wasn't in the band anymore during the time the band recorded ''Brain Drain'').



* {{Narm}}[=/=]SoBadItsGood: Punk rocker Dee Dee Ramone becomes rapper Dee Dee King. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAl-xzN8e-M Hear for yourself Dee Dee's interpretation of hip hop.]] The one album under the Dee Dee King monicker, ''Standing In The Spotlight'' (subtle) was a critical and commercial dud.

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* {{Narm}}[=/=]SoBadItsGood: Punk rocker Dee Dee Ramone becomes rapper Dee Dee King. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAl-xzN8e-M Hear for yourself Dee Dee's interpretation of hip hop.]] The one album under the Dee Dee King monicker, moniker, ''Standing In The Spotlight'' (subtle) was a critical and commercial dud.
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