History YMMV / ThePunisher

3rd Feb '18 2:55:32 PM Frankencastle
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* DorkAge: Angel Punisher was hated by just about everyone, so much so that Creator/GarthEnnis hastily retconned it.

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* DorkAge: Angel In ''ComicBook/ThePunisherPurgatory'', Frank was turned from a mafia-hunting anti-hero into a supernatural force of vengeance on a path to redemption to be able to rejoin his family in heaven. This was undone with a {{Handwave}} by later writer Garth Ennis in his "ComicBook/WelcomeBackFrank" storyline. Despite the handwave a subtle nod to the Heavenly Enforcer period appeared in a volume two ''ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}}'' issue, after Deadpool acquires an angel feather while in Mephisto's hell it heals Punisher from fatal injuries he'd received while he was hated by just still on Earth. Deadpool asks how someone so non-Heavenly as Punisher could possibly have anyone in Heaven interested in him (to paraphrase) only for Punisher to blow him off with a "don't want to talk about everyone, so much so it".
** Likewise Franken-Castle will be remembered fondly as a brief period of lunacy in Frank's life. There's no way the powers
that Creator/GarthEnnis hastily retconned it.be intended for a magic/SCIENCE half-robot Frankenstein's Monster Punisher to be a new cutting edge status quo. Even in the Heroic Age. These days Franken-Castle exists only as an AU Punisher from a MonsterMash universe. He is part of the Avengers there (which also include monster forms of other heroes who had them in the mainstream 'verse in the past, like werewolf Captain America - see below - and vampire Wolverine). They only appeared briefly to tangle with the regular New Avengers and were offed unceremoniously.
** John Ostrander's oft-forgotten run had Frank become the head of a Mafia family before things turned into an ''X-Men'' story that happened to star the Punisher, with Frank being roped into helping X-Cutioner and S.H.I.E.L.D. rescue an activist from the latest incarnation of the Mutant Liberation Front (here a false flag group backed by Humanity's Last Stand). The final issue had Frank incur amnesia, leading to the aforementioned ''Purgatory''.
29th Dec '17 1:39:32 PM nombretomado
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* DorkAge: Angel Punisher was hated by just about everyone, so much so that GarthEnnis hastily retconned it.

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* DorkAge: Angel Punisher was hated by just about everyone, so much so that GarthEnnis Creator/GarthEnnis hastily retconned it.
26th Jun '17 6:52:51 PM Austin
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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: These days it's generally accepted that Frank doesn't kill children or teenagers and if any writer contradicts that, they must hate him (this is commonly said about Frank's appearance in ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' for example). However, back before he even got his first book and was being used by Creator/FrankMiller as a rival and foil to ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}, there was a story where he hunts down and murders a drug dealer stated to be between 13 and 15 years old and then rants how [[NeverMyFault it wasn't him who killed the boy but Crime itself]].
5th Jan '17 8:30:16 PM WickedIcon
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Pretty much a given whenever the character is PlayedForLaughs, but one example from the [[VideoGame/ThePunisher game]] especially qualifies. There's a level at [[ComicBook/IronMan Stark Industries]] where the Punisher essentially tears the entire place to shreds; at the end, [[spoiler: Iron Man himself comes in and sees what Frank did, and ''[[INeedAFreakingDrink it sends him off the wagon.]]'']]

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Pretty much a given whenever the character is PlayedForLaughs, but one example from the [[VideoGame/ThePunisher game]] especially qualifies. There's a level at [[ComicBook/IronMan Stark Industries]] where the Punisher essentially tears the entire place to shreds; at the end, [[spoiler: Iron Man himself comes in and sees what Frank did, and ''[[INeedAFreakingDrink it sends him off the wagon.]]'']]him]] OffTheWagon.'']]
5th Jan '17 8:29:55 PM WickedIcon
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Pretty much a given whenever the character is PlayedForLaughs, but one example from the [[VideoGame/ThePunisher game]] especially qualifies. There's a level at [[ComicBook/IronMan Stark Industries]] where the Punisher essentially tears the entire place to shreds; at the end, [[spoiler: Iron Man himself comes in and sees what Frank did, and ''[[INeedAFreakingDrink it sends him off the wagon.]]'']]
28th Dec '16 5:05:01 PM DrPopo
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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: These days it's generally accepted that Frank doesn't kill children or teenagers and if any writer contradicts that, they must hate him (this is commonly said about Frank's appearance in ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' for example). However, back before he even got his first book and was being used by Creator/FrankMiller as a rival and foil to ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}, there was a story where he hunts down and murders a drug dealer stated to be between 13 and 15 years old and then rants how [[NeverMyFault it wasn't him who killed the boy but Crime itself]].
6th Aug '16 12:21:09 AM vexer
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* DorkAge: Angel Punisher was hated by just about everyone, so much so that GarthEnnis hastily retconned it.
13th Jul '16 12:59:11 AM Commander808-2
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: The Punisher's willingness to kill made him a novel character when he was first introduced, but thanks to UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks, much of this novelty has worn off.
18th Jun '16 4:04:58 PM Anicomicgeek
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: The liberal social worker who Frank meets in one storyline points out that Punisher kills society's victims more often than he kills true villains. He even acknowledges that she has a point when he later confronts a group of murderous homeless and find it difficult to pull the trigger, since most of them are too far gone to understand what they're doing anymore. In an uncharacteristic move, he gives them all a chance to flee, a chance most of them take.
21st Apr '16 6:25:47 PM DarkGidora
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** For instance, in an early appearance, he tried to kill people for running stop signs and littering (this was HandWaved in ''Comicbook/ThePunisherCircleOfBlood'' by saying he had been drugged by Jigsaw to make him more violent and hardline).

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** For instance, in In an early appearance, he tried to kill people for running stop signs and littering (this littering. This was HandWaved by his next appearance in ''Comicbook/ThePunisherCircleOfBlood'' by saying he had been drugged by Jigsaw to make him more violent and hardline).hardline.
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