History YMMV / TheOutsiders

3rd Dec '17 11:10:37 PM nonn99
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: The book is one for 1960s America. The depiction of 1960s teen gangs based on subcultures is very clearly a reflection of the times. Note that the presence of greasers (and arguably the lack of hippies, who ARE present in some of Hinton's slightly later novels), very specifically sets it in the early to mid 1960s, rather than the later part of the decade. (The movie, on the other hand, is an intentional period piece, as it wasn't made until the 1980s but was still set in 1965.)
30th Nov '17 5:45:24 PM TitoMosquito
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* HilariousInHindsight: Our protagonist's name is Ponyboy. Around fifty years later in 2010, we see '''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' and its well-known fanbase with adult men and teenage boys.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Our protagonist's name is Ponyboy. Around fifty years later in 2010, we see '''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' and its well-known fanbase with adult men and teenage boys.
10th Nov '17 9:53:09 AM fearlessnikki
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* HoYay: Johnny and Ponyboy.
** Johnny and Dallas, as well.
*** Plus Johnny and Sodapop. Really, Johnny flirts with everybody.
*** Bro Yay?
*** [[IncrediblyLamePun Nay.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: Bob crosses the line when he tries to drown Ponyboy. This is where the Socs graduate from mere bullying to attempted murder.
** They're waterboarding him (very, ''very'' crudely) in the film. It still ''looks'' like they're drowning him, and could very easily have resulted in drowning him, so still a MEH in-universe.

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* HoYay: Johnny and Ponyboy.
HoYay:
** Johnny and Dallas, Ponyboy have a very close friendship, with several tearful heart-to-hearts during the story. It wouldn't be hard to interpret it as well.
*** Plus
a love story between the two.
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Johnny and Sodapop. Really, comes across as slashy with Dallas too. Notably [[spoiler: when Johnny flirts with everybody.
*** Bro Yay?
*** [[IncrediblyLamePun Nay.]]
dies, that causes Dally's DespairEventHorizon]].
* JerkassWoobie: Darry can be quite cold and harsh to his brothers sometimes, and he does occasionally overstep his boundaries. But it's hard not to feel sorry for a twenty-year-old guy who was college bound when he lost his parents - and is trying to make sure his younger brothers have a better future than him.
* MoralEventHorizon: Bob crosses the line when he tries to drown and his friends attack Ponyboy. This is where In the Socs graduate from mere bullying to attempted murder.
** They're
movie they're waterboarding him (very, ''very'' crudely) in the film. It still ''looks'' like they're drowning him, and which could very easily have resulted in drowning him, so still a MEH in-universe.him drowning.



* RetroactiveRecognition: The film is noted for how many of the actors went onto become noted stars - Matt Dillon, Patrick Swayze, Rob Lowe, Diane Lane, Emilio Estevez. Hell it can be jarring to see Creator/TomCruise in a small role.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: In 1983 the film was notable for its unique look at teenagers - particularly those who came from troubled home lives. Note that this is one year before John Hughes started making his teen-oriented comedies. Jane Jenkins and Janet Hirshenson have stated that ''The Outsiders'' "created a new type of filmmaking".
--> "This movie was one of the few Hollywood offerings to deal realistically with kids from the wrong side of the tracks, and to portray honestly children whose parents had abused, neglected, or otherwise failed them."



* TheWoobie: Johnny.
** In the book, Darry could count as something of a JerkassWoobie, since although Ponyboy is pretty well convinced his brother doesn't care about him (as he can be pretty cold and harsh at times), he's still trying quite hard to keep his family together and gave up a lot so that they'd get to stay together. Despite the way he acts sometimes, it's hard not to feel sorry for a twenty year old guy who's lost his parents and suddenly has to head his family.
*** It's also important to remember Darry was college bound before his parents died. While he couldn't fully afford it, he was smart (and poor) enough to get scholarships. Instead, he didn't go to college and is struggling to keep his brothers from being trapped like he is.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: [[spoiler:Johnny dying]] to save children in a burning building. Not symbolic? [[spoiler:Look again at his initials.]]
** In a church no less.

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* TheWoobie: Johnny.
** In the book, Darry could count as something
Johnny - a child of abuse who becomes a JerkassWoobie, since although Ponyboy is pretty well convinced murderer just to save his brother doesn't care best friend. In spite of Bob's general nastiness, Johnny is guilty about him (as he can be pretty cold and harsh at times), he's still trying quite hard to keep his family together and gave up a lot so that they'd get to stay together. Despite it the way he acts sometimes, it's hard not to feel sorry for a twenty year old guy who's lost his parents and suddenly has to head his family.
*** It's also important to remember Darry was college bound before his parents died. While he couldn't fully afford it, he was smart (and poor) enough to get scholarships. Instead, he didn't go to college and is struggling to keep his brothers from being trapped like he is.
whole time. [[spoiler: He ultimately dies of burns]].
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: [[spoiler:Johnny dying]] to save children in a burning building. Not symbolic? [[spoiler:Look again at his initials.]]
**
]] In a church no less.
22nd Aug '17 9:50:33 PM I-Teleported-Bread
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** And there's Pony and his brothers being one big ol' incest fest: Pony saying Soda looks like a Greek god or a movie star, or Sodapop giving Darry a backrub, anyone?
*** Let's not forget that Ponyboy and Sodapop sleep in the same bed, too.
23rd Jun '17 6:53:32 AM AmuckCricetine
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* DeathByIrony: [[spoiler: Bob was killed by Johnny, the same kid he and other Socs badly beat to a pulp]]
8th May '17 6:11:17 AM GothicProphet
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* HilariousInHindsight: Our protagonists name is Ponyboy. Around fifty years later in 2010, we see '''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' and its well-known fanbase with adult men and teenage boys.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Our protagonists protagonist's name is Ponyboy. Around fifty years later in 2010, we see '''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' and its well-known fanbase with adult men and teenage boys.



** In a church no less.

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** In a church no less.less.
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28th Apr '17 4:33:33 PM OnTheHillside
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** They're waterboarding him (very, ''very'' crudely) in the film. It still ''looks'' like they're drowning him, so still a MEH in-universe.

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** They're waterboarding him (very, ''very'' crudely) in the film. It still ''looks'' like they're drowning him, and could very easily have resulted in drowning him, so still a MEH in-universe.
21st Apr '17 7:47:05 AM Chris116
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* NightmareFuel:
** The Socs trying to kill Ponyboy and Johnny.
** The fire that the doctors outright admit will cripple Johnny for the rest of his life if not outright kill him. [[spoiler: Johnny was burned so horribly that he suffers for a day or two before finally dying.]]
** The rumble, while InUniverse treated as a climactic battle of good and evil, is in reality dozens of young men slugging each other to a pulp. The score of the scene in the film really gets across the fact that, even on this scale, WarIsHell.
** [[spoiler: Dallas, in despair after Johnny's death, gets himself killed by the police.]]
* SignatureScene: [[spoiler: Johnny's death.]]
21st Apr '17 7:35:01 AM Chris116
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* {{Narm}}: The extended cut replaces most of the movie score with generic surfer music, most annoyingly during the rumble.
4th Apr '17 5:01:56 PM KamonTheSkunk
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* CanonSue: Johnny. He has no known flaws unlike the rest of the gang and isn't given any depth other than the fact that he's a NiceGuy who's abused by his parents, is Dally's MoralityPet, and is Ponyboy's best friend. The rest of the gang adores him and never gets angry at him, and Two-Bit even says that the gang can go without anyone but Johnny.
** [[JustifiedTrope Potentially justified.]] [[FridgeBrilliance The book is written from Ponyboy's perspective when he is still a young man.]] [[NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead He probably doesn't want to say anything bad about his fallen friend.]]
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