History YMMV / TheOrderOfTheStick

10th Mar '17 5:46:59 AM GliderPro
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** And now we have Bandana and Andi, the acting captain and the chief engineer of the ''Mechane'', both of whom are intensely polarizing characters. Some people insist that Bandana is reckless and incompetent, getting the ship into increasingly dangerous situations without adequately preparing for them and trusting her crew to keep saving her bacon even as everything crumbles around her, and that Andi is the OnlySaneMan desperately trying to take control of the situation and get the ship to safety. Others argue that Bandana is a skilled and capable captain, and Andi is a petty, egomaniac lunatic who seized the ship out of sheer jealous rage and then immediately proved why she had no business whatsoever trying to lead the ship. When the Bandana defenders and Andi defenders start going at it, thread lockings and bannings on the official forum are almost guaranteed.
12th Feb '17 6:08:06 PM IniuriaTalis
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** Andi, the ''Mechane'' engineer, has lately been developing into one of these, thanks to her incessant resentment, jealousy and insubordination towards Bandana (temporarily TheCaptain on [[YouAreInCommandNow Julio's orders]]) stemming basically from Andi's contention that she has [[ItsPersonal more of a "claim"]] to the position than Bandana on account of [[DudeWheresMyReward longer service]]. Should the ConflictBall escalate to TheMutiny, it threatens to potentially leave the Order high and dry without transportation with the world hanging in the balance.

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** Andi, the ''Mechane'' engineer, has lately been developing into one of these, thanks to her incessant resentment, jealousy and insubordination towards Bandana (temporarily TheCaptain on [[YouAreInCommandNow Julio's orders]]) stemming basically from Andi's contention that she has [[ItsPersonal more of a "claim"]] to the position than Bandana on account of [[DudeWheresMyReward longer service]]. Should [[spoiler:She proceeds to [[TheMutiny knock Bandana out in the ConflictBall escalate middle of a battle to TheMutiny, it threatens take command]] only to immediately justify Julio's choice of captain by proving she has no idea what she's doing as a leader, potentially leave the Order high and dry without transportation with screwing over the world hanging in the balance.for her own pride]].
16th Jan '17 6:02:54 PM adbrown
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** Miko, the biggest BaseBreakingCharacter in the entire comic -- KnightTemplar or KnightInShiningArmor?

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** Miko, the biggest BaseBreakingCharacter in the entire comic -- KnightTemplar or KnightInShiningArmor?KnightInShiningArmor?[[note]]The author has made clear that she's an interpretation of the WRONG way to play a paladin, e.g. a KnightTemplar, but that doesn't stop the debate.[[/note]]
8th Jan '17 12:03:39 PM SeptimusHeap
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* FreudWasRight:
** Roy feels [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0308.html diminished]] without his sword.
** Lampshaded with [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0690.html Haley's reaction to the worm]].
31st Dec '16 3:03:51 AM StFan
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** When the Evil Aligned Gods tell The Dark One about the Snarl. Was it just in their nature to do so? Was it a way to get at the Heroic Aligned Gods? Or, especially in Tiamat's case, are they also dissatisfied with the way the world is as their Patrons are XP-Fodder much like the Goblins?

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** When the Evil Aligned Gods evil-aligned gods tell The Dark One about the Snarl. Was it just in their nature to do so? Was it a way to get at the Heroic Aligned Gods? heroic-aligned gods? Or, especially in Tiamat's case, are they also dissatisfied with the way the world is as their Patrons are XP-Fodder XP-fodder much like the Goblins?goblins?



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Celia and Haley have an argument over Belkar's murderous tendencies when he kills a nameless Hobgoblin soldier and Solt Lorkyurg an innocent gnome merchant. Celia feels that both murders were wrong and accuses Haley of falling under WhatMeasureIsANonHuman by justifying the Hobgoblin's death over Solt's, whilst Haley argues that the Hobgoblin was an enemy soldier and not comparable. It's supposed to be one of the times the comic deconstructs common fantasy tropes and gives a balanced argument, but most fans sided with Haley's pragmatism and thought Celia was just being naive. Unlike other examples of WhatMeasureIsAMook or Non-human, this Hobgoblin was an armed enemy soldier and part of the occupation of a conquered city instead of some random monster Belkar decided to pick on.
* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Despite being a fan favorite, Belkar is disliked by 99% of the cast [[note]]The remaining one percent is composted of Lord Shojo, Mr. Scruffy and a female Greysky Rogue he seduced.[[/note]]. The fact that he's a HeroicComedicSociopath explains both reactions.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Celia and Haley have an argument over Belkar's murderous tendencies when he kills a nameless Hobgoblin hobgoblin soldier and Solt Lorkyurg Lorkyurg, an innocent gnome merchant. Celia feels that both murders were wrong and accuses Haley of falling under WhatMeasureIsANonHuman by justifying the Hobgoblin's hobgoblin's death over Solt's, whilst Haley argues that the Hobgoblin hobgoblin was an enemy soldier and not comparable. It's supposed to be one of the times the comic deconstructs common fantasy tropes and gives a balanced argument, but most fans sided with Haley's pragmatism and thought Celia was just being naive. Unlike other examples of WhatMeasureIsAMook or Non-human, Non-Human, this Hobgoblin hobgoblin was an armed enemy soldier and part of the occupation of a conquered city instead of some random monster Belkar decided to pick on.
* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Despite being a fan favorite, Belkar is disliked by 99% of the cast [[note]]The (the remaining one percent is composted of Lord Shojo, Mr. Scruffy and a female Greysky Rogue rogue he seduced.[[/note]].seduced). The fact that he's a HeroicComedicSociopath explains both reactions.
31st Dec '16 1:30:33 AM DrPsyche
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Celia and Haley have an argument over Belkar's murderous tendencies when he kills a nameless Hobgoblin soldier and Solt Lorkyurg an innocent gnome merchant. Celia feels that both murders were wrong and accuses Haley of falling under WhatMeasureIsANonHuman by justifying the Hobgoblin's death over Solt's, whilst Haley argues that the Hobgoblin was an enemy soldier and not comparable. It's supposed to be one of the times the comic deconstructs common fantasy tropes and gives a balanced argument, but most fans sided with Haley's pragmatism and thought Celia was just being naive. Unlike other examples of WhatMeasureIsAMook or Non-human, this Hobgoblin was an armed enemy soldier and part of the occupation of a conquered city instead of some random monster Belkar decided to pick on.
12th Dec '16 3:23:18 PM DrPsyche
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** When the Evil Aligned Gods tell The Dark One about the Snarl. Was it just in their nature to do so? Was it a way to get at the Heroic Aligned Gods? Or, especially in Tiamat's case, are they also dissatisfied with the way the world is as their Patrons are XP-Fodder much like the Goblins?
14th Aug '16 7:38:19 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[SorcerousOverlord Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[BiggerBad the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a [[OurLichesAreDifferent lich]], his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[SorcerousOverlord Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[BiggerBad [[GreaterScopeVillain the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness''.''Recap/StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a [[OurLichesAreDifferent lich]], his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].
14th Aug '16 5:18:33 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[OurLichesAreDifferent Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[GreaterScopeVillain the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''Recap/StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a lich, his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[OurLichesAreDifferent [[SorcerousOverlord Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[GreaterScopeVillain [[BiggerBad the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''Recap/StartOfDarkness''. ''StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a lich, [[OurLichesAreDifferent lich]], his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].
13th Aug '16 4:23:38 PM StFan
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* CompleteMonster: [[OurLichesAreDifferent Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[BiggerBad the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a lich, his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[OurLichesAreDifferent Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[BiggerBad [[GreaterScopeVillain the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness''.''Recap/StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a lich, his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].
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