History YMMV / TheOrderOfTheStick

18th Jul '17 6:18:09 AM johnnye
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Strip #[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1068.html 1068]] has a diatribe of a female frost giant claiming she was holding back her true strength in the presence of some male giants, which no longer mattered since those giants died in the previous strip. General consensus on the forum stated that the delivery was ham-fisted, unnecessary, and downright insulting.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: Strip #[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1068.html 1068]] has a diatribe of a female frost giant claiming she was [[IAmNotLeftHanded holding back her true strength strength]] in the presence of some male giants, which no longer mattered since and could cut loose now those giants died in the previous strip. General consensus were dead. A lot of people on the forum stated thought that the delivery was ham-fisted, unnecessary, and downright insulting. (Others saw it as a JuxtapositionGag, applying YouGoGirl to a towering, muscly, axe-wielding [[ActionGirl Amazon]].)
18th Jul '17 5:50:56 AM johnnye
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** There is a bit of a divide among fans regarding how [[WordOfGod Word of the Giant]] states that Tarquin is not necessarily a MagnificentBastard, and is more of a high-functioning / extremely lucky BigBadWannabe. Specifically the Giant's claim that we only had Tarquin's word for how awesome Tarquin was and GenreSavvy fans would have picked up on this. For some, this was a welcome bit of canon and substantiated the implications they perceived that he was WrongGenreSavvy, whereas others appreciated it because they viewed him as a borderline Villain Sue who needed to be knocked down a peg. Still others view this as spoiling one of their favorite villains, and claim it makes no sense with what Tarquin actually achieves in-story, citing how various unbiased characters have commented on how powerful and dangerous he is, the successful long-con on the Western Continent was his idea, and his demonstrable battle prowess against the Order. Another minor split along these lines is whether or not his tendency to adhere to story tropes means he's a strategic genius on a meta level, as he really is in a story, or whether it means he's severely hampered for when the story doesn't go the way he thinks it will, as the plot has outright defied several of these tropes in the past.

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** There is a bit of a divide among fans regarding how [[WordOfGod Word of the Giant]] states that Tarquin is not necessarily a MagnificentBastard, and is more of a high-functioning / extremely lucky BigBadWannabe. Specifically the Giant's claim that [[UnreliableExpositor we only had Tarquin's word word]] for [[MilesGloriosus how awesome Tarquin was was]] and that he hoped GenreSavvy fans would have picked up on this. For some, this was a welcome bit of canon and substantiated the implications they perceived that he was WrongGenreSavvy, whereas others appreciated it because they viewed him as a borderline Villain Sue who needed to be knocked down a peg. Still others view this as spoiling one of their favorite villains, and claim it makes no sense with what Tarquin actually achieves in-story, citing how various unbiased characters have commented on how powerful and dangerous he is, the successful long-con on the Western Continent was his idea, idea (unless that was a result of UnreliableExpositor too), and his demonstrable battle prowess against the Order. Another minor split along these lines is whether or not his tendency to adhere to story tropes means he's a strategic genius on a meta level, as he really is in a story, or whether it means he's severely hampered for when the story doesn't go the way he thinks it will, as the plot has outright defied several of these tropes in the past.



** And then there's... [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0301.html the spoof of mid-20th century intermission cartoons]], which has absolutely ZERO revelance to the rest of the comic.

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** And then there's... [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0301.html the spoof of mid-20th century intermission cartoons]], which has absolutely ZERO revelance relevance to the rest of the comic.



** How about strips #868 through #879? [[spoiler:Belkar meets Malack! Malack easily beats Belkar! ''Malack is a vampire'' '''''and he just bit Belkar, intending to make more "children"!''''' Oh wait, Durkon's here and he's ''actually fighing Malack on even terms'' -- oh crap, Malack has a workaround for Mass Death Ward! And now he's bitten Durkon! ''Durkon's dead!'' And now '''Durkon is a vampire!''']] The HSQ was raised dramatically by many of these strips being posted on subsequent days.

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** How about strips #868 through #879? [[spoiler:Belkar meets Malack! Malack easily beats Belkar! ''Malack is a vampire'' '''''and he just bit Belkar, intending to make more "children"!''''' Oh wait, Durkon's here and he's ''actually fighing Malack on even terms'' -- oh crap, Malack has a workaround for Mass Death Ward! And now he's bitten Durkon! ''Durkon's dead!'' And now '''Durkon is a vampire!''']] The HSQ was raised dramatically by many of these strips being posted on subsequent days.days, which in contrast to the usual update schedule effectively turned the whole thing into a single feature-length WhamEpisode.
6th Jul '17 4:27:18 PM MinisterOfSinister
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* ArchivePanic: Over 1000 strips -- and the "strips" are at least an A4 page's worth each, and sometimes more than one. In dead tree format, there are five books in print (not counting prequels) with another one nearly completed which will be longer than any of them.
* ArtistDisillusionment: Nearly every interaction between the Giant and his fans seems rather... surly. He is constantly forced to explain himself to fans regarding plot holes, alignment concerns, and the creepy worship of certain characters, like Miko. Even things that might bear discussion get rather blunt shutdowns from the author.

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* ArchivePanic: Over 1000 strips -- and the "strips" are at least an A4 page's worth each, and sometimes more than one. In dead tree format, there are five books in print (not counting prequels) print, plus two prequels, with another one nearly completed which will be longer than any of them.
* ArtistDisillusionment: Nearly every interaction Not total disillusionment, but interactions between the Giant and his fans seems rather... surly. He is constantly can be rather surly, especially if he's being forced to explain himself to fans regarding plot holes, alignment concerns, and the creepy worship of certain characters, like Miko. Even things that might bear discussion get rather blunt shutdowns from the author.



** Belkar has always been one of the more divisive main characters but has become even more so in later strips with his 'fake' CharacterDevelopment. Some fans welcome the possibility that he will be redeemed and possibly die a hero. Others are less thrilled, either because they prefer him as an amusing completely amoral ChaoticEvil HeroicComedicSociopath or because they don't believe that any amount of good deeds can make up for the actions he's performed and therefore any redemption would be unearned.

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** Belkar has always been one of the more divisive main characters but has become even more so in later strips with his 'fake' CharacterDevelopment. Some fans welcome the possibility that he will be redeemed and possibly die a hero. Others are less thrilled, either because they prefer him as an amusing amusing, completely amoral ChaoticEvil HeroicComedicSociopath or because they don't believe that any amount of good deeds can make up for the actions he's performed and therefore any redemption would be unearned.



* TrappedByMountainLions: The current arc (going on for close to a year) basically amounts to a glorified random encounter and focus on one dimensional characters, despite the apocalyptic deadline the characters were racing against. Numerous threads complaining about this appeared on the forum, only to be put down with a sharp lock. It dosn't even have the same level of humour or fleshes out the characters the way the other "slow" arcs did

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* TrappedByMountainLions: The current arc (going frost giants arc, going on for close to a year) year, is veering into this. It basically amounts to a glorified random encounter and focus focuses heavily on one dimensional characters, side characters with very little character to them, despite the main characters supposedly being on a time-crunch to reach dwarf territory before the apocalyptic deadline the characters were racing against. deadline. Numerous threads complaining about this have appeared on the forum, forum only to be put down with a sharp lock. It dosn't even have the same level of humour or fleshes out the characters the way the by locking. And unlike other "slow" side arcs didor lulls in the storyline, it's not all that humorous and has virtually no CharacterDevelopment to go around.
28th Jun '17 5:51:30 AM Austin
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* TrappedByMOuntainLions: The current arc (going on for close to a year) basically amounts to a glorified random encounter and focus on one dimensional characters, despite the apocalyptic deadline the characters were racing against. Numerous threads complaining about this appeared on the forum, only to be put down with a sharp lock. It dosn't even have the same level of humour or fleshes out the characters the way the other "slow" arcs did

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* TrappedByMOuntainLions: TrappedByMountainLions: The current arc (going on for close to a year) basically amounts to a glorified random encounter and focus on one dimensional characters, despite the apocalyptic deadline the characters were racing against. Numerous threads complaining about this appeared on the forum, only to be put down with a sharp lock. It dosn't even have the same level of humour or fleshes out the characters the way the other "slow" arcs did
25th Jun '17 8:53:00 AM billybobfred
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** In the Class and Level Geekery thread, bringing up certain questions that have been debated endlessly without anyone producing a satisfying answer. "How ''exactly'' did Tarquin [[ArrowCatch catch those arrows]]", for example, has at least 3 possible explanations, all of which require either rule-bending or making assertions about off-panel events.
23rd Jun '17 12:29:10 AM AnsemPaul
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* TrappedByMOuntainLions: The current arc (going on for close to a year) basically amounts to a glorified random encounter and focus on one dimensional characters, despite the apocalyptic deadline the characters were racing against. Numerous threads complaining about this appeared on the forum, only to be put down with a sharp lock. It dosn't even have the same level of humour or fleshes out the characters the way the other "slow" arcs did
30th Apr '17 4:00:49 PM Matt620
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Strip #[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1068.html 1068]] has a diatribe of a female frost giant claiming she was holding back her true strength in the presence of some male giants, which no longer mattered since those giants died in the previous strip. General consensus on the forum stated that the delivery was ham-fisted, unnecessary, and downright insulting.



** In Book 6, Bandana and Andi, the acting captain and the chief engineer of the ''Mechane'', both of whom are intensely polarizing characters. Some people insist that Bandana is reckless and incompetent, only really talented at whining when people don't listen to her, getting the ship into increasingly dangerous situations without adequately preparing for them, and trusting her crew to keep saving her bacon even as everything crumbles around her, and that Andi is the OnlySaneMan desperately trying to take control of a bad situation to get the ship to safety. Others argue that Bandana is a skilled and capable captain, and Andi is a petty, egomaniac lunatic who seized the ship out of sheer jealous rage and then immediately delved into CommanderContrarian, proving why she shouldn't be in charge of the ship like she desires. And then, there are those who TakeAThirdOption and think both of them are incompetent and their egos are only making a bad situation even worse.

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** In Book 6, Bandana and Andi, the acting captain and the chief engineer of the ''Mechane'', both of whom are intensely polarizing characters. Bandana is the acting captain of the Mechane, and Andi (as well as some of the rest of the crew) don't take to her leadership well. Some people readers insist that Bandana is reckless and reckless, incompetent, only really talented at whining when people don't listen to her, and egotistical, getting the ship into increasingly dangerous situations without adequately preparing for them, and trusting her crew to keep saving her bacon even as everything crumbles around her, and that Andi is the OnlySaneMan desperately trying to take control of a bad situation to get the ship to safety. Others argue that Bandana is a skilled and capable captain, and Andi is a petty, egomaniac lunatic who seized the ship out of sheer jealous rage and then immediately delved into CommanderContrarian, proving why she shouldn't be in charge of the ship like she desires. And then, there are those who TakeAThirdOption and think both of them are incompetent and their egos are only making neither woman has the talent to be a bad situation even worse.captain.
30th Apr '17 3:54:07 PM Matt620
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** And now we have Bandana and Andi, the acting captain and the chief engineer of the ''Mechane'', both of whom are intensely polarizing characters. Some people insist that Bandana is reckless and incompetent, getting the ship into increasingly dangerous situations without adequately preparing for them and trusting her crew to keep saving her bacon even as everything crumbles around her, and that Andi is the OnlySaneMan desperately trying to take control of the situation and get the ship to safety. Others argue that Bandana is a skilled and capable captain, and Andi is a petty, egomaniac lunatic who seized the ship out of sheer jealous rage and then immediately proved why she had no business whatsoever trying to lead the ship. When the Bandana defenders and Andi defenders start going at it, thread lockings and bannings on the official forum are almost guaranteed.

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** And now we have In Book 6, Bandana and Andi, the acting captain and the chief engineer of the ''Mechane'', both of whom are intensely polarizing characters. Some people insist that Bandana is reckless and incompetent, only really talented at whining when people don't listen to her, getting the ship into increasingly dangerous situations without adequately preparing for them them, and trusting her crew to keep saving her bacon even as everything crumbles around her, and that Andi is the OnlySaneMan desperately trying to take control of the a bad situation and to get the ship to safety. Others argue that Bandana is a skilled and capable captain, and Andi is a petty, egomaniac lunatic who seized the ship out of sheer jealous rage and then immediately proved delved into CommanderContrarian, proving why she had no business whatsoever trying to lead shouldn't be in charge of the ship. When the Bandana defenders ship like she desires. And then, there are those who TakeAThirdOption and Andi defenders start going at it, thread lockings think both of them are incompetent and bannings on the official forum their egos are almost guaranteed.only making a bad situation even worse.



** Miko, intentionally.

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** Miko, intentionally.Miko. Considering she was written as a "LawfulGood antagonist to the Order", probably intentional.



** Andi, the ''Mechane'' engineer, has lately been developing into one of these, thanks to her incessant resentment, jealousy and insubordination towards Bandana (temporarily TheCaptain on [[YouAreInCommandNow Julio's orders]]) stemming basically from Andi's contention that she has [[ItsPersonal more of a "claim"]] to the position than Bandana on account of [[DudeWheresMyReward longer service]]. [[spoiler:She proceeds to [[TheMutiny knock Bandana out in the middle of a battle to take command]] only to immediately justify Julio's choice of captain by proving she has no idea what she's doing as a leader, potentially screwing over the world for her own pride]].
10th Mar '17 5:46:59 AM GliderPro
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** And now we have Bandana and Andi, the acting captain and the chief engineer of the ''Mechane'', both of whom are intensely polarizing characters. Some people insist that Bandana is reckless and incompetent, getting the ship into increasingly dangerous situations without adequately preparing for them and trusting her crew to keep saving her bacon even as everything crumbles around her, and that Andi is the OnlySaneMan desperately trying to take control of the situation and get the ship to safety. Others argue that Bandana is a skilled and capable captain, and Andi is a petty, egomaniac lunatic who seized the ship out of sheer jealous rage and then immediately proved why she had no business whatsoever trying to lead the ship. When the Bandana defenders and Andi defenders start going at it, thread lockings and bannings on the official forum are almost guaranteed.
12th Feb '17 6:08:06 PM IniuriaTalis
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** Andi, the ''Mechane'' engineer, has lately been developing into one of these, thanks to her incessant resentment, jealousy and insubordination towards Bandana (temporarily TheCaptain on [[YouAreInCommandNow Julio's orders]]) stemming basically from Andi's contention that she has [[ItsPersonal more of a "claim"]] to the position than Bandana on account of [[DudeWheresMyReward longer service]]. Should the ConflictBall escalate to TheMutiny, it threatens to potentially leave the Order high and dry without transportation with the world hanging in the balance.

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** Andi, the ''Mechane'' engineer, has lately been developing into one of these, thanks to her incessant resentment, jealousy and insubordination towards Bandana (temporarily TheCaptain on [[YouAreInCommandNow Julio's orders]]) stemming basically from Andi's contention that she has [[ItsPersonal more of a "claim"]] to the position than Bandana on account of [[DudeWheresMyReward longer service]]. Should [[spoiler:She proceeds to [[TheMutiny knock Bandana out in the ConflictBall escalate middle of a battle to TheMutiny, it threatens take command]] only to immediately justify Julio's choice of captain by proving she has no idea what she's doing as a leader, potentially leave the Order high and dry without transportation with screwing over the world hanging in the balance.for her own pride]].
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