History YMMV / TheOrderOfTheStick

16th Jan '17 6:02:54 PM adbrown
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** Miko, the biggest BaseBreakingCharacter in the entire comic -- KnightTemplar or KnightInShiningArmor?

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** Miko, the biggest BaseBreakingCharacter in the entire comic -- KnightTemplar or KnightInShiningArmor?KnightInShiningArmor?[[note]]The author has made clear that she's an interpretation of the WRONG way to play a paladin, e.g. a KnightTemplar, but that doesn't stop the debate.[[/note]]
8th Jan '17 12:03:39 PM SeptimusHeap
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* FreudWasRight:
** Roy feels [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0308.html diminished]] without his sword.
** Lampshaded with [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0690.html Haley's reaction to the worm]].
31st Dec '16 3:03:51 AM StFan
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** When the Evil Aligned Gods tell The Dark One about the Snarl. Was it just in their nature to do so? Was it a way to get at the Heroic Aligned Gods? Or, especially in Tiamat's case, are they also dissatisfied with the way the world is as their Patrons are XP-Fodder much like the Goblins?

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** When the Evil Aligned Gods evil-aligned gods tell The Dark One about the Snarl. Was it just in their nature to do so? Was it a way to get at the Heroic Aligned Gods? heroic-aligned gods? Or, especially in Tiamat's case, are they also dissatisfied with the way the world is as their Patrons are XP-Fodder XP-fodder much like the Goblins?goblins?



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Celia and Haley have an argument over Belkar's murderous tendencies when he kills a nameless Hobgoblin soldier and Solt Lorkyurg an innocent gnome merchant. Celia feels that both murders were wrong and accuses Haley of falling under WhatMeasureIsANonHuman by justifying the Hobgoblin's death over Solt's, whilst Haley argues that the Hobgoblin was an enemy soldier and not comparable. It's supposed to be one of the times the comic deconstructs common fantasy tropes and gives a balanced argument, but most fans sided with Haley's pragmatism and thought Celia was just being naive. Unlike other examples of WhatMeasureIsAMook or Non-human, this Hobgoblin was an armed enemy soldier and part of the occupation of a conquered city instead of some random monster Belkar decided to pick on.
* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Despite being a fan favorite, Belkar is disliked by 99% of the cast [[note]]The remaining one percent is composted of Lord Shojo, Mr. Scruffy and a female Greysky Rogue he seduced.[[/note]]. The fact that he's a HeroicComedicSociopath explains both reactions.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Celia and Haley have an argument over Belkar's murderous tendencies when he kills a nameless Hobgoblin hobgoblin soldier and Solt Lorkyurg Lorkyurg, an innocent gnome merchant. Celia feels that both murders were wrong and accuses Haley of falling under WhatMeasureIsANonHuman by justifying the Hobgoblin's hobgoblin's death over Solt's, whilst Haley argues that the Hobgoblin hobgoblin was an enemy soldier and not comparable. It's supposed to be one of the times the comic deconstructs common fantasy tropes and gives a balanced argument, but most fans sided with Haley's pragmatism and thought Celia was just being naive. Unlike other examples of WhatMeasureIsAMook or Non-human, Non-Human, this Hobgoblin hobgoblin was an armed enemy soldier and part of the occupation of a conquered city instead of some random monster Belkar decided to pick on.
* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Despite being a fan favorite, Belkar is disliked by 99% of the cast [[note]]The (the remaining one percent is composted of Lord Shojo, Mr. Scruffy and a female Greysky Rogue rogue he seduced.[[/note]].seduced). The fact that he's a HeroicComedicSociopath explains both reactions.
31st Dec '16 1:30:33 AM DrPsyche
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Celia and Haley have an argument over Belkar's murderous tendencies when he kills a nameless Hobgoblin soldier and Solt Lorkyurg an innocent gnome merchant. Celia feels that both murders were wrong and accuses Haley of falling under WhatMeasureIsANonHuman by justifying the Hobgoblin's death over Solt's, whilst Haley argues that the Hobgoblin was an enemy soldier and not comparable. It's supposed to be one of the times the comic deconstructs common fantasy tropes and gives a balanced argument, but most fans sided with Haley's pragmatism and thought Celia was just being naive. Unlike other examples of WhatMeasureIsAMook or Non-human, this Hobgoblin was an armed enemy soldier and part of the occupation of a conquered city instead of some random monster Belkar decided to pick on.
12th Dec '16 3:23:18 PM DrPsyche
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** When the Evil Aligned Gods tell The Dark One about the Snarl. Was it just in their nature to do so? Was it a way to get at the Heroic Aligned Gods? Or, especially in Tiamat's case, are they also dissatisfied with the way the world is as their Patrons are XP-Fodder much like the Goblins?
14th Aug '16 7:38:19 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[SorcerousOverlord Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[BiggerBad the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a [[OurLichesAreDifferent lich]], his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[SorcerousOverlord Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[BiggerBad [[GreaterScopeVillain the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness''.''Recap/StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a [[OurLichesAreDifferent lich]], his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].
14th Aug '16 5:18:33 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[OurLichesAreDifferent Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[GreaterScopeVillain the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''Recap/StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a lich, his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[OurLichesAreDifferent [[SorcerousOverlord Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[GreaterScopeVillain [[BiggerBad the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''Recap/StartOfDarkness''. ''StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a lich, [[OurLichesAreDifferent lich]], his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].
13th Aug '16 4:23:38 PM StFan
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* CompleteMonster: [[OurLichesAreDifferent Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[BiggerBad the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a lich, his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[OurLichesAreDifferent Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[BiggerBad [[GreaterScopeVillain the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness''.''Recap/StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a lich, his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].
13th Aug '16 11:36:15 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: The [[OurLichesAreDifferent evil lich]] [[BigBad Xykon]] is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and probably the sickest character in the comic. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[GreaterScopeVillain the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. In the present story Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go [[ForTheEvulz "that extra mile"]]. His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness.'' [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also trapped the souls of two mages, Lirian and Dorukan, [[AndIMustScream in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].

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* CompleteMonster: The [[OurLichesAreDifferent evil lich]] [[BigBad Xykon]] Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and probably the sickest character in the comic. utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[GreaterScopeVillain [[BiggerBad the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. In the present story Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go [[ForTheEvulz "that "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile"]]. mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness.'' ''StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a lich, his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages, Lirian and Dorukan, [[AndIMustScream mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].
7th Aug '16 6:02:58 PM Anddrix
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** Miko, the biggest BaseBreaker in the entire comic -- KnightTemplar or KnightInShiningArmor?

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** Miko, the biggest BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter in the entire comic -- KnightTemplar or KnightInShiningArmor?



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