History YMMV / TheOrderOfTheStick

11th Feb '16 9:58:10 PM DarkStarling
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** Malack. Exactly how evil he really is has been up for debate since the very beginning. How much he cared for his children, how much he does or does not genuinely respects Durkon, and a lot of other parts of his personality are up for debate. It was partly settled when Malack was revealed to be [[spoiler:a vampire who planned an endless campaign of human sacrifice when he took over the kingdom, perhaps employing a [[Film/SoylentGreen special chamber]].]]
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** Malack. Exactly how evil he really is has been up for debate since the very beginning. How much he cared for his children, how much he does or does not genuinely respects Durkon, and a lot of other parts of his personality are up for debate. It was partly settled when Malack was revealed to be [[spoiler:a vampire who planned an endless campaign of human sacrifice when he took over the kingdom, perhaps employing a [[Film/SoylentGreen special chamber]].]] [[OddFriendship Then again, it was also made clear he did genuinely respect Durkon.]] [[spoiler: He raised him as a vampire after all, and honored his last request to protect the Order of the Stick.]]
5th Feb '16 12:09:33 PM StFan
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** Nale spent most of the comic as an unrepentant mass-murderer. But the we get to meet his father, and realise what sort of childhood he must have had and how it formed him to the man he became, placing him in this trope. *** On the other hand, he ''was'' shown being cruel as a baby even when his parents were (presumably) together, so it's not all on Tarquin.
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** Nale spent most of the comic as an unrepentant mass-murderer. But the we get to meet his father, and realise realize what sort of childhood he must have had and how it formed him to the man he became, placing him in this trope. *** trope. On the other hand, he ''was'' ''is'' shown being cruel as a baby even when his parents were (presumably) together, so it's not all on Tarquin.

** NALE. If he thought his father was going to just let his [[spoiler:killing of Malack]] slide, especially after [[spoiler:he boasted about making the cleric suffer while dying ''straight to his face'']], he didn't know Tarquin at all, and deserved everything coming to him afterwards just for being that ''stupid''. *** Even if Tarquin wouldn't have given him what he had coming Laurin most definitely ''would'' have, making this doubly stupid.
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** NALE. If he thought his father was going to just let his [[spoiler:killing of Malack]] slide, especially after [[spoiler:he boasted about making the cleric suffer while dying ''straight to his face'']], he didn't know Tarquin at all, and deserved everything coming to him afterwards just for being that ''stupid''. *** ''stupid''. Even if Tarquin wouldn't have given him what he had coming coming, Laurin most definitely ''would'' have, making this doubly stupid.
5th Feb '16 9:22:06 AM BobTheBard
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*** Even if Tarquin wouldn't have given him what he had coming Laurin most definitely ''would'' have, making this doubly stupid.
3rd Feb '16 1:13:14 AM MinisterOfSinister
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** NALE. If he thought his father was going just let his [[spoiler:killing of Malack]] slide, ''especially'' after [[spoiler:he boasted about making the cleric suffer while dying ''straight to his face'']], he didn't know Tarquin at all, and deserved everything coming to him afterwards just for being that stupid. ** Oh yes Bozzok, call the now- turned flesh golem [[AxCrazy Crystal]] an idiot and do exactly what she was calling you on while you're totally and completely unarmed and with no way to defend yourself.
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** NALE. If he thought his father was going to just let his [[spoiler:killing of Malack]] slide, ''especially'' especially after [[spoiler:he boasted about making the cleric suffer while dying ''straight to his face'']], he didn't know Tarquin at all, and deserved everything coming to him afterwards just for being that stupid. ''stupid''. ** Oh yes Bozzok, call the now- turned flesh golem [[AxCrazy Crystal]] an idiot and do exactly what she was calling you on while you're totally and completely unarmed and with no way to defend yourself.yourself. See how long you last.
2nd Feb '16 11:07:32 PM Eagal
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** General Tarquin, who along with his confederates rules three desert empires from the shadows, playing them all against each other (and every group not aligned with their empires) with their patsies none the wiser. He is also DangerouslyGenreSavvy and thus is perfectly and explicitly aware of the costs and consequences of the role he has chosen to play in "the story" -- he simply weighed the pros and cons, and saw that by ''his'' definition, he will "win" no matter what happens. [[spoiler:[[SubvertedTrope Except not really]]. In truth, he's a [[PsychopathicManchild deranged psychopath]] who has an [[ItsAllAboutMe overinflated ego]], and as the Giant points out [[http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=318550&page=4 in the forum]], his tactical brilliance and role as a BigBad are all just exaggerated claims he made. All of this is highlighted when we see [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0924.html his adventuring buddies]], and they treat him more like ''Elan'' is treated by the Order than the MagnificentBastard he claims to be.]] *** [[spoiler: Except yes really. He still did all of those things, and being the fool of the party in no way precludes being the most dangerous member or coming up with the biggest breakthroughs. He still fights excellently, coordinates some impressive logistical maneuvers, and leaves the plot with all his power intact. It takes him no effort to off one of the major recurring antagonists of the comic, and after an entire story arc the Order's "Victory" amounts to giving him the silent treatment because they found that it annoys him.]]
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** General Tarquin, who along with his confederates rules three desert empires from the shadows, playing them all against each other (and every group not aligned with their empires) with their patsies none the wiser. He is also DangerouslyGenreSavvy and thus is perfectly and explicitly aware of the costs and consequences of the role he has chosen to play in "the story" -- he simply weighed the pros and cons, and saw that by ''his'' definition, he will "win" no matter what happens. [[spoiler:[[SubvertedTrope Except not really]]. In truth, he's a [[PsychopathicManchild deranged psychopath]] who has an [[ItsAllAboutMe overinflated ego]], and as the Giant points out [[http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=318550&page=4 in the forum]], his tactical brilliance and role as a BigBad are all just exaggerated claims he made. All of this is highlighted when we see [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0924.html his adventuring buddies]], and they treat him more like ''Elan'' is treated by the Order than the MagnificentBastard he claims to be.]] *** [[spoiler: Except yes really. He still did all of those things, and being the fool of the party in no way precludes being the most dangerous member or coming up with the biggest breakthroughs. He still fights excellently, coordinates some impressive logistical maneuvers, and leaves the plot with all his power intact. It takes him no effort to off one of the major recurring antagonists of the comic, and after an entire story arc the Order's "Victory" amounts to giving him the silent treatment because they found that it annoys him.]]
21st Jan '16 3:01:05 AM Alexsi
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Creator Backlash does not an element of the work make.
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***[[spoiler: Except yes really. He still did all of those things, and being the fool of the party in no way precludes being the most dangerous member or coming up with the biggest breakthroughs. He still fights excellently, coordinates some impressive logistical maneuvers, and leaves the plot with all his power intact. It takes him no effort to off one of the major recurring antagonists of the comic, and after an entire story arc the Order's "Victory" amounts to giving him the silent treatment because they found that it annoys him.]]
19th Jan '16 11:15:00 AM Eagal
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** In-Universe example. The misspelling "''Zykon'' the sorcerer" remains a [[{{Pun}} bone of contention]] not just for the forums, but for the dread lich himself, who can even spot his name being mangled in a [[MediumAwareness speech bubble.]]
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** In-Universe example. The misspelling "''Zykon'' the sorcerer" remains a [[{{Pun}} bone of contention]] not just for the forums, but even in-universe for the dread lich himself, who can even spot his name being mangled in a [[MediumAwareness speech bubble.]]
19th Jan '16 11:09:30 AM Eagal
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When the Moral Event Horizon is crossed it is a sign that a character is, in no uncertain terms, completely and utterly irredeemable. Unrepentably evil. All that jazz. Moral quandaries aside, as Vaarsuvius has not thus far been suggested to be beyond redemption and is not treated as bonafide evil, so he has not crossed the Moral Event Horizon.
** While under the effects of the soul-splice, [[spoiler: Vaarsuvius brutally dispatches an Ancient Black Dragon threatening his/her family. Then s/he reanimates her head and, in order to protect his/her family, casts Familicide - an epic level spell that wipes out the targets entire family line. Vaarsuvius offhandedly mentions that s/he probably killed 1/4 of the black dragon population as a result.]] This is considered an ''extremely'' questionable act, despite the fact that [[spoiler: black dragons are AlwaysChaoticEvil [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0866.html (maybe)]]]]. This moral quandary is definitively answered [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0843.html here]] and [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0866.html here]].
10th Jan '16 4:49:17 AM Berserker88
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** And again with the Godsmoot meeting in Book 6, which WordOfGod eventually addressed [[http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?472566-The-pace-the-pace-The-pace-is-too-slow/page2&p=20211651#post20211651 here]].
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** And again with the Godsmoot meeting in Book 6, which got so vocal that WordOfGod eventually addressed it [[http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?472566-The-pace-the-pace-The-pace-is-too-slow/page2&p=20211651#post20211651 here]].
10th Jan '16 4:42:00 AM Berserker88
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** And again with the Godsmoot meeting in Book 6, which WordOfGod eventually addressed [[http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?472566-The-pace-the-pace-The-pace-is-too-slow/page2&p=20211651#post20211651 here]].
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