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14th Aug '16 7:38:19 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[SorcerousOverlord Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[BiggerBad the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a [[OurLichesAreDifferent lich]], his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[SorcerousOverlord Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[BiggerBad [[GreaterScopeVillain the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness''.''Recap/StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a [[OurLichesAreDifferent lich]], his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].
14th Aug '16 5:18:33 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[OurLichesAreDifferent Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[GreaterScopeVillain the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''Recap/StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a lich, his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[OurLichesAreDifferent [[SorcerousOverlord Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[GreaterScopeVillain [[BiggerBad the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''Recap/StartOfDarkness''. ''StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a lich, [[OurLichesAreDifferent lich]], his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].
13th Aug '16 4:23:38 PM StFan
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* CompleteMonster: [[OurLichesAreDifferent Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[BiggerBad the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a lich, his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[OurLichesAreDifferent Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[BiggerBad [[GreaterScopeVillain the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness''.''Recap/StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a lich, his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].
13th Aug '16 11:36:15 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: The [[OurLichesAreDifferent evil lich]] [[BigBad Xykon]] is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and probably the sickest character in the comic. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[GreaterScopeVillain the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. In the present story Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go [[ForTheEvulz "that extra mile"]]. His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness.'' [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also trapped the souls of two mages, Lirian and Dorukan, [[AndIMustScream in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].

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* CompleteMonster: The [[OurLichesAreDifferent evil lich]] [[BigBad Xykon]] Xykon]], the {{evil|Sorcerer}} BigBad, is [[LaughablyEvil funny]], [[FauxAffablyEvil charming]], [[BrilliantButLazy easily bored]], and probably the sickest character in the comic. utterly evil. His ultimate plan is to unleash [[GreaterScopeVillain [[BiggerBad the Snarl]] so he can control it and use it against his enemies, uncaring that the monster is [[spoiler:what everyone believes to be]] an evil, god-murdering abomination which has the power to destroy the world. In the present story Xykon seeks to capture the gates that would allow him to command the Snarl, and has been going to any measure to do so. He sacked Azure City to claim their gate, and made [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0448.html the entire Sapphire Guard kill each other with a Symbol of Insanity]]. He even admits that he could have just used fire and lightning from above, but wanted to go [[ForTheEvulz "that "[[ForTheEvulz that extra mile"]]. mile]]". His full monstrousness is revealed in the prequel comic ''StartOfDarkness.'' ''StartOfDarkness''. [[EnfantTerrible As a young boy]], well before he became a lich, his dog dies, but in a deliberate subversion of a FreudianExcuse, he accidentally raises it as a zombie and exults as it kills and eats a bird. [[TeensAreMonsters As a teenager]], he keeps his zombified grandmother in his closet, kills and zombifies a man who offers to train him as a sorcerer, then [[SelfMadeOrphan kills and zombifies his own parents]] for letting the man in. As a would-be EvilOverlord, he chooses actions solely on the basis of their potential [[ItAmusedMe to amuse him]] versus the effort required. When Redcloak and his brother Right-Eye started working with Xykon, Right-Eye tried to assassinate Xykon for his [[BadBoss evil and callousness with the lives of his goblin underlings]]. Xykon allowed Redcloak to kill Right-Eye just to permanently bind Redcloak to Xykon's service, accuses him of being a wimp [[EvilerThanThou because of his principled stance]], and then [[KickTheDog forced him to raise his brother as a zombie]]. He also [[AndIMustScream trapped the souls of two mages, Lirian and Dorukan, [[AndIMustScream mages in a gem in order to make them suffer forever]].
7th Aug '16 6:02:58 PM Anddrix
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** Miko, the biggest BaseBreaker in the entire comic -- KnightTemplar or KnightInShiningArmor?

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** Miko, the biggest BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter in the entire comic -- KnightTemplar or KnightInShiningArmor?



* BaseBreaker:

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* BaseBreaker:BaseBreakingCharacter:
6th Aug '16 12:29:50 PM StFan
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* CreatorWorship: The fanbase for Rich Burlew, aka the Giant. There are entire threads devoted to archiving his every word and all discussion or dissension on a storyline or plot element usually ceases as soon as he posts in a topic. (There's also the fact that he's the chief forum moderator and regularly locks threads which cross a fairly strict list of "banned" topics, such as "morally justified behavior" in the fictional world, real-world religion, and several others.)

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* CreatorWorship: The fanbase for Rich Burlew, aka a.k.a. the Giant. There are entire threads devoted to archiving his every word and all discussion or dissension on a storyline or plot element usually ceases as soon as he posts in a topic. (There's also the fact that he's the chief forum moderator and regularly locks threads which cross a fairly strict list of "banned" topics, such as "morally justified behavior" in the fictional world, real-world religion, and several others.)



** In [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0698.html "Stopping for Direction"]], Belkar's [[JerkassHasAPoint observation]] that people who spend all their time cooped up in a hideout in the desert would probably head to a brothel first chance they get becomes even ''more'' [[DumbassHasAPoint spot-on]] when we learn that [[spoiler: everyone who guarded Girard's Gate was family.]]

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** In [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0698.html "Stopping for Direction"]], Belkar's [[JerkassHasAPoint observation]] that people who spend all their time cooped up in a hideout in the desert would probably head to a brothel first chance they get becomes even ''more'' [[DumbassHasAPoint spot-on]] when we learn that [[spoiler: everyone [[spoiler:everyone who guarded Girard's Gate was family.]]



** Miko Miyazaki is everything wrong with a paladin, but one of the bonus strips shows her trying to socialize with other paladins to celebrate New Year's only for her own KnightTemplar tendencies to alienate them, forcing her to celebrate New Year's alone with Windstriker. It is implied this occurs every year. Miko's own zealousness causes her to be alone.
*** [[spoiler:Miko's subsequent fall from grace is also her own fault, but it means that when [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe she dies]], she is denied the only thing that still matters to her -- being a paladin. Not to mention following on the heels of a nasty BrokenPedestal moment. At least [[ThrowTheDogABone she'll have the chance to see Windstriker again in the afterlife]].]]
** Thog. His mass-murder aside, the half-orc is little more than a child mentally and it's up for debate whether he even ''realises'' he's evil. He thinks that he and the rest of the Linear Guild are friends having a big adventure, when really Nale and Sabine only keep him around because they need a frontline fighter and consider him a burden and an annoyance. The only mutually respectful relationship he has, not conincidentally, is with [[TheHeart Elan]]. Even his final fate is left deliberately ambiguous.
** Crystal. [[spoiler:Since coming {{back from the dead}} as a self-aware flesh golem, she claims to be [[AndIMustScream in a state of constant agony]]. The forum-goers' hearts went out to her almost immediately; no one, they felt, deserves that -- not even Crystal.]]

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** Miko Miyazaki is everything wrong with a paladin, but one of the bonus strips shows her trying to socialize with other paladins to celebrate New Year's only for her own KnightTemplar tendencies to alienate them, forcing her to celebrate New Year's alone with Windstriker. It is implied this occurs every year. Miko's own zealousness causes her to be alone.
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alone. [[spoiler:Miko's subsequent fall from grace is also her own fault, but it means that when [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe she dies]], she is denied the only thing that still matters to her -- being a paladin. Not to mention following on the heels of a nasty BrokenPedestal moment. At least [[ThrowTheDogABone she'll have the chance to see Windstriker again in the afterlife]].]]
** Thog. His mass-murder aside, the half-orc is little more than a child mentally and it's up for debate whether he even ''realises'' ''realizes'' he's evil. He thinks that he and the rest of the Linear Guild are friends having a big adventure, when really Nale and Sabine only keep him around because they need a frontline fighter and consider him a burden and an annoyance. The only mutually respectful relationship he has, not conincidentally, coincidentally, is with [[TheHeart Elan]]. Even his final fate is left deliberately ambiguous.
** Crystal. [[spoiler:Since coming {{back from the dead}} as a self-aware flesh golem, she claims to be [[AndIMustScream in a state of constant agony]]. The forum-goers' hearts went out to her almost immediately; no one, no-one, they felt, deserves that -- not even Crystal.]]



** Meanwhile, Tarquin is Darth Vader as a troper.
*** Currently the theory that these three men between them fathered most of the ''[=OotS=]'' cast is doing the rounds on the forums.

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** Meanwhile, Tarquin is Darth Vader as a troper. \n*** Currently the theory that these three men between them fathered most of the ''[=OotS=]'' cast is doing the rounds on the forums.



* PainfulRhyme: Elan gets one in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0238.html this strip]].

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* PainfulRhyme: Elan gets one in one. Incidentally, [[LetsSeeYouDoBetter the strip is titled]] [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0238.html this strip]]."You Try Rhyming 'Assassin'"]].



** Incidentally, the strip is titled [[LetsSeeYouDoBetter "You Try Rhyming 'Assassin'"]].



* {{Shipping}}: The "Crack pairings" threads are among the most popular on the forums.

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* {{Shipping}}: {{Shipping}}:
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The "Crack pairings" threads are among the most popular on the forums.
5th Aug '16 10:27:24 PM darthpaul
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** When O-Chul and new character Oona were revealed to be in the same geographical location (although they haven't met except in a single brief and inconclusive fight), out of nowhere came the new ship O-Choona, in a thread that ran for several weeks and will no doubt start up again as soon as either character reappears in a new strip.
5th Aug '16 10:11:42 PM darthpaul
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* CreatorWorship: The fanbase for Rich Burlew, aka the Giant. There are entire threads devoted to archiving his every word and all discussion or dissension on a storyline or plot element usually ceases as soon as he posts in a topic.

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* CreatorWorship: The fanbase for Rich Burlew, aka the Giant. There are entire threads devoted to archiving his every word and all discussion or dissension on a storyline or plot element usually ceases as soon as he posts in a topic. (There's also the fact that he's the chief forum moderator and regularly locks threads which cross a fairly strict list of "banned" topics, such as "morally justified behavior" in the fictional world, real-world religion, and several others.)
3rd Aug '16 8:42:02 PM Angeldeb82
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** Malack. Exactly how evil he really is has been up for debate since the very beginning. How much he cared for his children, how much he does or does not genuinely respects Durkon, and a lot of other parts of his personality are up for debate. It was partly settled when Malack was revealed to be [[spoiler:a vampire who planned an endless campaign of human sacrifice when he took over the kingdom, perhaps employing a [[Film/SoylentGreen special chamber]].]] [[OddFriendship Then again, it was also made clear he did genuinely respect Durkon.]] [[spoiler: He raised him as a vampire after all, and honored his last request to protect the Order of the Stick.]]

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** Malack. Exactly how evil he really is has been up for debate since the very beginning. How much he cared for his children, how much he does or does not genuinely respects Durkon, and a lot of other parts of his personality are up for debate. It was partly settled when Malack was revealed to be [[spoiler:a vampire who planned an endless campaign of human sacrifice when he took over the kingdom, perhaps employing a [[Film/SoylentGreen special chamber]].]] chamber]]]]. [[OddFriendship Then again, it was also made clear he did genuinely respect Durkon.]] [[spoiler: He raised him as a vampire after all, and honored his last request to protect the Order of the Stick.]]



** There is a bit of a divide among fans regarding how [[WordOfGod Word of the Giant]] states that Tarquin is not necessarily a MagnificentBastard, and is more of a high-functioning / extremely lucky BigBadWannabe. Specifically the Giant's claim that we only had Tarquin's word for how awesome Tarquin was and GenreSavvy fans would have picked up on this. For some, this was a welcome bit of canon and substantiated the implications they perceived that he was WrongGenreSavvy, whereas others appreciated it because they viewed him as a borderline VillainSue who needed to be knocked down a peg. Still others view this as spoiling one of their favorite villains, and claim it makes no sense with what Tarquin actually achieves in-story, citing how various unbiased characters have commented on how powerful and dangerous he is, the successful long-con on the Western Continent was his idea, and his demonstrable battle prowess against the Order. Another minor split along these lines is whether or not his tendency to adhere to story tropes means he's a strategic genius on a meta level, as he really is in a story, or whether it means he's severely hampered for when the story doesn't go the way he thinks it will, as the plot has outright defied several of these tropes in the past.

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** There is a bit of a divide among fans regarding how [[WordOfGod Word of the Giant]] states that Tarquin is not necessarily a MagnificentBastard, and is more of a high-functioning / extremely lucky BigBadWannabe. Specifically the Giant's claim that we only had Tarquin's word for how awesome Tarquin was and GenreSavvy fans would have picked up on this. For some, this was a welcome bit of canon and substantiated the implications they perceived that he was WrongGenreSavvy, whereas others appreciated it because they viewed him as a borderline VillainSue Villain Sue who needed to be knocked down a peg. Still others view this as spoiling one of their favorite villains, and claim it makes no sense with what Tarquin actually achieves in-story, citing how various unbiased characters have commented on how powerful and dangerous he is, the successful long-con on the Western Continent was his idea, and his demonstrable battle prowess against the Order. Another minor split along these lines is whether or not his tendency to adhere to story tropes means he's a strategic genius on a meta level, as he really is in a story, or whether it means he's severely hampered for when the story doesn't go the way he thinks it will, as the plot has outright defied several of these tropes in the past.



** The misspelling "''Zykon'' the sorcerer" remains a [[{{Pun}} bone of contention]] not just for the forums, but even in-universe for the dread lich himself, who can even spot his name being mangled in a [[FourthWallObserver speech bubble.]]

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** The misspelling "''Zykon'' the sorcerer" remains a [[{{Pun}} bone of contention]] not just for the forums, but even in-universe for the dread lich himself, who can even spot his name being mangled in a [[FourthWallObserver speech bubble.]]bubble]].



** In [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0474.html "The Body Snatcher"]], Haley wonders if the hobgoblin clerics turned [[spoiler:dead Roy]] into a vampire. [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0878.html Around 400 comics later]]...
** When [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0485.html Roy's dad is mocking him in the afterlife,]] he says, "Ooooo, yes! And while your friends collect the seven magic spheres to wish you back to life, you can train with the secret martial arts master who lives here in the afterlife!" Although it's a ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' reference, it doesn't change the fact that [[spoiler:Roy learns a new feat from his grandfather while training with him in the afterlife]].

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** In [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0474.html "The Body Snatcher"]], Haley wonders if the hobgoblin clerics turned [[spoiler:dead Roy]] into a vampire. [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0878.html Around 400 comics later]]...
later...]]
** When [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0485.html Roy's dad is mocking him in the afterlife,]] afterlife]], he says, "Ooooo, yes! And while your friends collect the seven magic spheres to wish you back to life, you can train with the secret martial arts master who lives here in the afterlife!" Although it's a ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' reference, it doesn't change the fact that [[spoiler:Roy learns a new feat from his grandfather while training with him in the afterlife]].



** Strips #823 to #830: The "Team Evil getting ready to leave Gobbotopia" arc. It includes (within seven strips) [[spoiler:the recovery of the phylactery by the resistance, the summary total annihilation of the resistance (save one member) and recovery of the phylactery by Team Evil, the outing of Redcloak's plan by Tsukiko and Tsukiko's subsequent [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath (gruesome)]] death at Redcloak's hands.]] Holy Shit.

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** Strips #823 to #830: The "Team Evil getting ready to leave Gobbotopia" arc. It includes (within seven strips) [[spoiler:the recovery of the phylactery by the resistance, the summary total annihilation of the resistance (save one member) and recovery of the phylactery by Team Evil, the outing of Redcloak's plan by Tsukiko and Tsukiko's subsequent [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath (gruesome)]] death at Redcloak's hands.]] hands]]. Holy Shit.



** Female examples:
*** [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0309.html Haley has "[tnbbye h pnfr] udfy ckhw dwly"]] (kissed a girl more than once).
*** [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0419.html Sabine thinks Miko is hot and would look good as a blackguard.]]
*** Note the final panel of [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0794.html strip #794]]. Then, note that its title is "We Recommend [[DarkActionGirl Tsukiko]]".



* LesYay:
** [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0309.html Haley has "[tnbbye h pnfr] udfy ckhw dwly"]] (kissed a girl more than once).
** [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0419.html Sabine thinks Miko is hot and would look good as a blackguard]].
** Note the final panel of [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0794.html strip #794]]. Then, note that its title is "We Recommend [[DarkActionGirl Tsukiko]]".



** Tsukiko, InUniverse certainly. Lampshaded somewhat when [[spoiler:Redcloak gets tired of her attitude towards him and kills her, and almost no-one in Team Evil cares.]]

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** Tsukiko, InUniverse certainly. Lampshaded somewhat when [[spoiler:Redcloak gets tired of her attitude towards him and kills her, and almost no-one in Team Evil cares.]]cares]].



** Tarquin's banquet serves phoenix pâté. Since phoenixes explode when they die, the liver has to be cut out [[CruelAndUnusualDeath while the bird is alive.]]

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** Tarquin's banquet serves phoenix pâté. Since phoenixes explode when they die, the liver has to be cut out [[CruelAndUnusualDeath while the bird is alive.]]alive]].



* UnfortunateImplications: In an early strip, Belkar [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] the unfortunate implications of the standard DungeonCrawling adventure plot:

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* UnfortunateImplications: In an early strip, Belkar [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] {{lampshade|Hanging}}s the unfortunate implications of the standard DungeonCrawling adventure plot:
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** General Tarquin, who along with his confederates rules three desert empires from the shadows, playing them all against each other (and every group not aligned with their empires) with their patsies none the wiser. He is also DangerouslyGenreSavvy and thus is perfectly and explicitly aware of the costs and consequences of the role he has chosen to play in "the story" -- he simply weighed the pros and cons, and saw that by ''his'' definition, [[XanatosGambit he will "win" no matter what happens]].

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** General Tarquin, who along with his confederates rules three desert empires from the shadows, playing them all against each other (and every group not aligned with their empires) with their patsies none the wiser. He is also DangerouslyGenreSavvy GenreSavvy and thus is perfectly and explicitly aware of the costs and consequences of the role he has chosen to play in "the story" -- he simply weighed the pros and cons, and saw that by ''his'' definition, [[XanatosGambit he will "win" no matter what happens]].
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