History YMMV / TheMonkees

9th Feb '17 8:15:45 PM MarkLungo
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* VindicatedByHistory: clever writing and good music has given the Monkees staying power regardless of their so-called "{fake band}}" origins.

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* VindicatedByHistory: clever writing and good music has given the Monkees staying power regardless of their so-called "{fake "{{fake band}}" origins.
9th Feb '17 8:15:08 PM MarkLungo
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** Then, of course, there's [[Film/{{Head}} the movie]].
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Peter. Despite playing "the dumb one" on the show and making only a handful of vocal appearances on the original albums, Peter is beloved in the fandom. At one point in TheEighties he had more individual fan clubs devoted to him than any of the other Monkees.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In "The Spy Who came in from the Cool," Mike tells Peter that they're forming a trio without him. Of course, Mike was joking, but in 1968 Peter would be the first member to leave the group.
* VindicatedByHistory: clever writing and good music has given the Monkees staying power regardless of their so-called "fake band" origins.

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** Then, of course, there's [[Film/{{Head}} the movie]].
''Film/{{Head}}''.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Peter.Peter Tork. Despite playing "the dumb one" on the show and making only a handful of vocal appearances on the original albums, Peter is beloved in the fandom. At one point in TheEighties he had more individual fan clubs devoted to him than any of the other Monkees.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In "The Spy Who came Came in from the Cool," Mike tells Peter that they're forming a trio without him. Of course, Mike was joking, but in 1968 Peter would be the first member to leave the group.
* VindicatedByHistory: clever writing and good music has given the Monkees staying power regardless of their so-called "fake band" "{fake band}}" origins.



* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: May 1968, the TV show is off the air, every single they've released up to this point has made the Top 3. Obviously, their next single is going to be crucial in establishing whether Music/TheMonkees can sustain a music career even without TV exposure. So what do they release? "D.W. Washburn", a Dixieland {{Jazz}}-flavored song about how much fun it is to be a homeless alcoholic. It's a Music/LeiberAndStoller song, so it's not bad, but still, it was so out-of-place not only for The Monkees, but pop music in general. It limped to #19 in Billboard and didn't even get released on an album until the 80s.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: May 1968, the 1968. The TV show is off the air, and every single they've released up to this point has made the Top 3. Obviously, their next single is going to be crucial in establishing whether Music/TheMonkees can sustain a music career even without TV exposure. So what do they release? "D.W. Washburn", a Dixieland {{Jazz}}-flavored song about how much fun it is to be a homeless alcoholic. It's a Music/LeiberAndStoller song, so it's not bad, but still, it was so out-of-place not only for The Monkees, but pop music in general. It limped to #19 in Billboard and didn't even get released on an album until the 80s.
9th Feb '17 8:08:19 PM MarkLungo
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** "Porpoise Song"="Strawberry Fields Forever: by The Beatles

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** "Porpoise Song"="Strawberry Fields Forever: Forever" by The Beatles



** Jessica Pacheco, Davy's third wife (and eventual widow) joined the band onstage during their 45th anniversary tour in 2011 for some flamenco dance routines, drawing the ire of fans (and allegedly, bandmates). After his death, negative rumors about her relationship with him, plus her legal battles with his children over his estate, lowered her reputation among fans even more. One blogger wrote that she "could give [Don] Kirshner a run for the money in the Worst Monkee Villain Ever competition."

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** Jessica Pacheco, Davy's third wife (and eventual widow) widow), joined the band onstage during their 45th anniversary tour in 2011 for some flamenco dance routines, drawing the ire of fans (and allegedly, bandmates). After his death, negative rumors about her relationship with him, plus her legal battles with his children over his estate, lowered her reputation among fans even more. One blogger wrote that she "could give [Don] Kirshner a run for the money in the Worst Monkee Villain Ever competition."
9th Feb '17 8:06:53 PM MarkLungo
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: May 1968, the TV show is off the air, every single they've released up to this point has made the Top 3. Obviously, their next single is going to be crucial in establishing whether TheMonkees can sustain a music career even without TV exposure. So what do they release? "D.W. Washburn", a Dixieland Jazz-flavored song about how much fun it is to be a homeless alcoholic. It's a LeiberAndStoller song, so it's not bad, but still, it was so out-of-place not only for The Monkees, but pop music in general. It limped to #19 in Billboard and didn't even get released on an album until the 80s.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: May 1968, the TV show is off the air, every single they've released up to this point has made the Top 3. Obviously, their next single is going to be crucial in establishing whether TheMonkees Music/TheMonkees can sustain a music career even without TV exposure. So what do they release? "D.W. Washburn", a Dixieland Jazz-flavored {{Jazz}}-flavored song about how much fun it is to be a homeless alcoholic. It's a LeiberAndStoller Music/LeiberAndStoller song, so it's not bad, but still, it was so out-of-place not only for The Monkees, but pop music in general. It limped to #19 in Billboard and didn't even get released on an album until the 80s.



** "I'm A Believer", first made famous by The Monkees (Neil Diamond recorded his version a few months after The Monkees), and then much later, brought back into the mainstream by Music/SmashMouth.

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** "I'm A Believer", first made famous by The Monkees (Neil Diamond (Music/NeilDiamond recorded his version a few months after The Monkees), and then much later, brought back into the mainstream by Music/SmashMouth.



** Several of the Tommy Boyce/Bobby Hart songs were recorded by other groups first, such as "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" (Paul Revere & The Raiders) and "Words" (The Leaves).
** The Paul Butterfield Blues Band recorded and released the Nesmith composition "Mary Mary" before The Monkees did. The early pressings of their ''East-West'' album didn't include a songwriting credit, leading fans to assume it was either a Butterfield original or an old blues song. After the Monkees version came out, [[MisBlamed Nesmith was accused of stealing credit for his own song]].

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** Several of the Tommy Boyce/Bobby Hart songs were recorded by other groups first, such as "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" (Paul Revere & The Raiders) (Music/PaulRevereAndTheRaiders) and "Words" (The Leaves).
** The Paul Butterfield Blues Band recorded and released the Nesmith composition "Mary Mary" before The Monkees did. The early pressings of their ''East-West'' album didn't include a songwriting credit, leading fans to assume it was either a Butterfield original or an old blues song. After the Monkees version came out, Music/MichaelNesmith [[MisBlamed Nesmith was accused of stealing credit for his own song]].



* FanDumb: These days, it's hard to believe that anyone was ever shocked to learn the Monkees were a so-called FakeBand since Micky was a well-known child star and Davy had originated the role of The Artful Dodger in the West End and Broadway productions of ''{{Oliver}}'', and both of them were quite open about being actors playing musicians rather than musicians themselves, though Micky did learn to play the drums after he got the part. (Micky actually knew how to play the guitar, but was cast as the group's drummer because Mike and Peter had considerably more guitar experience, and they certainly weren't going to hide Davy, the group's heartthrob, behind the drums.)

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* FanDumb: These days, it's hard to believe that anyone was ever shocked to learn the Monkees were a so-called FakeBand since Micky was a well-known child star and Davy had originated the role of The Artful Dodger in the West End and Broadway productions of ''{{Oliver}}'', ''Theatre/{{Oliver}}'', and both of them were quite open about being actors playing musicians rather than musicians themselves, though Micky did learn to play the drums after he got the part. (Micky actually knew how to play the guitar, but was cast as the group's drummer because Mike and Peter had considerably more guitar experience, and they certainly weren't going to hide Davy, the group's heartthrob, behind the drums.)



** Micky was in a pre-Monkees band called The Missing Links. Even funnier after they made the ''33 & 1/3 Revolutions Per Monkee'' TV special, which featured Charles Darwin as a character.
** Anticipating Music/TheWhiteAlbum and [[Film/ThisIsSpinalTap Spinal Tap]], a 1967 ''New Musical Express'' article reported Micky's rejected idea for the cover of ''Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn and Jones, Ltd.''

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** Micky was in a pre-Monkees band called The Missing Links. Even funnier after they made the ''33 & 1/3 Revolutions Per Monkee'' TV special, which featured Charles Darwin UsefulNotes/CharlesDarwin as a character.
** Anticipating Music/TheWhiteAlbum ''Music/TheWhiteAlbum'' and [[Film/ThisIsSpinalTap Spinal Tap]], a 1967 ''New Musical Express'' article reported Micky's rejected idea for the cover of ''Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn and Jones, Ltd.''



* {{Narm}}: "The Day We Fall in Love" from ''More of the Monkees'' would otherwise be your typical schmaltzy Davy Jones ballad, but in this one, Davy ''speaks'' the lyrics instead of singing them.

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* {{Narm}}: "The Day We Fall in Love" from ''More of the Monkees'' would otherwise be your typical schmaltzy Davy Jones ballad, but in this one, Davy ''speaks'' ''[[SpokenWordInMusic speaks]]'' the lyrics instead of singing them.



** "Sunny Girlfriend"="It's All Over Now" (originally by The Valentinos, CoveredUp by The Rolling Stones)

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** "Sunny Girlfriend"="It's All Over Now" (originally by The Valentinos, CoveredUp by The Rolling Stones)Music/TheRollingStones)



** "Porpoise Song"="Strawberry Fields Forever: by The Beatles



** "Teardrop City"="Last Train to Clarksville". Yes, they imitated their own earlier hit.



** Jessica Pacheco, Davy's third wife (and eventual widow) joined the band onstage during their 45th anniversary tour in 2011 for some flamenco dance routines, drawing the ire of fans (and allegedly, bandmates). After his death, negative rumors about her relationship with him, plus her legal battles with his children over his estate lowered her reputation among fans even more. One blogger wrote that she "could give [Don] Kirshner a run for the money in the Worst Monkee Villain Ever competition."

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** Jessica Pacheco, Davy's third wife (and eventual widow) joined the band onstage during their 45th anniversary tour in 2011 for some flamenco dance routines, drawing the ire of fans (and allegedly, bandmates). After his death, negative rumors about her relationship with him, plus her legal battles with his children over his estate estate, lowered her reputation among fans even more. One blogger wrote that she "could give [Don] Kirshner a run for the money in the Worst Monkee Villain Ever competition."
9th Feb '17 7:03:04 PM Ezclee4050
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-->Black! That's what I want. I want the whole sleeve black--black, black, black!

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-->Black! That's what I want. I want the whole sleeve [[MinimalisticCoverArt black--black, black, black!black]]!
5th Feb '17 3:34:50 PM CallingAlameda
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* FanDumb: these days it's pretty hard to believe that anyone was every disapointed to learn the Monkees were a so-called FakeBand since the Micky was a well-known child star and Davy had originated the role of The Artful Dodger in the West End and Broadway productions of ''{{Oliver}}'' and both of them were quite open about being actors playing musicians rather than musicians themselves, though Micky did make the effort to learn how to play the drums after he got the part.

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* FanDumb: these days These days, it's pretty hard to believe that anyone was every disapointed ever shocked to learn the Monkees were a so-called FakeBand since the Micky was a well-known child star and Davy had originated the role of The Artful Dodger in the West End and Broadway productions of ''{{Oliver}}'' ''{{Oliver}}'', and both of them were quite open about being actors playing musicians rather than musicians themselves, though Micky did make the effort to learn how to play the drums after he got the part.part. (Micky actually knew how to play the guitar, but was cast as the group's drummer because Mike and Peter had considerably more guitar experience, and they certainly weren't going to hide Davy, the group's heartthrob, behind the drums.)



* GrowingTheBeard: Arguably, the 1967-68 psychedelic period.

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* GrowingTheBeard: Arguably, the The 1967-68 psychedelic period.period, when they began taking more control of their musical activities, and their music became more complex and varied as a result.



* TheWoobie: Peter left the group fearing that his time with the band had irreparably damaged his reputation as a legitimate musician. Micky once responded to an interviewer's remark about being lucky to survive the whole surreal experience unscathed with "Peter didn't".



* TheWoobie: Peter left the group fearing that his time with the band had irreparably damaged his reputation as a legitimate musician. Micky once responded to an interviewer's remark about being lucky to survive the whole surreal experience unscathed with "Peter didn't".
28th Jan '17 6:01:15 AM JustKnown
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* FanDumb: these days it's pretty hard to believe that anyone was every disapointed to learn the Monkees were a so-called FakeBand since the Micky was a well-known child star and Davy had originated the role of The Artful Dodger in the West End and Broadway productions of ''{{Oliver}}'' and both of them were quite open about being actors playing musicians rather than musicians themselves, though Micky did make the effort to learn how to play the drums after he got the part.
28th Jan '17 5:54:34 AM JustKnown
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* VindicatedByHistory

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* VindicatedByHistoryVindicatedByHistory: clever writing and good music has given the Monkees staying power regardless of their so-called "fake band" origins.


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* HeroOfAnotherStory: Davy had a second career training and racing horses and remains the oldest amateur jockey to ever win a graded stakes race.


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* TheWoobie: Peter left the group fearing that his time with the band had irreparably damaged his reputation as a legitimate musician. Micky once responded to an interviewer's remark about being lucky to survive the whole surreal experience unscathed with "Peter didn't".
25th Jan '17 1:57:49 PM WildeOscar
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*** "Cuddly Toy" also sounds a lot like "Your Mother Should Know"
17th Jan '17 1:06:15 PM Ezclee4050
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** "Let's Dance On"="Good Lovin' " by The Rascals
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