History YMMV / TheMaskOfZorro

5th Oct '17 11:00:53 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[SociopathicSoldier Captain]] Harrison [[PsychoForHire Love]] is TheDragon to [[BigBad Don Rafael Montero]] and manages to be an even worse person than his boss. Hired by Rafael to kidnap and enslave local people for a gold mining operation, Love indulges his own perverse hobby on the side, [[CreepySouvenir collecting the body parts of the men he has killed]] and [[ImAHumanitarian pickling them in his wine jars]]. Having gunned down Alejandro Marieta's brother Joaquin and partner, Three-Finger Jack, Love tries to force Alejandro to drink from the jars containing Joaquin's head and Jack's trademark hand as a form of psychological torture; he also tries to shoot through Don Rafael's daughter, Elena, when Zorro uses her as a shield. When Zorro exposes the existence of Don Rafael's gold mine to President Santa Anna, Love comes up with the idea of burying both mine and [[LeaveNoSurvivors workers]] with explosives, an act that will kill thousands. When Zorro interrupts this attempt at mass murder, Love lures him into the boiler room, then blows it up, failing to injure Zorro, but succeeding in [[BadBoss killing several of Love's own men]]. Described by Zorro as a "[[YoureInsane a very sick person]]", Captain Love was loyal only to his vices, and [[{{Sadist}} motivated only]] by the enactment of [[BloodKnight physical]] and [[MindRape psychological]] violence.

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* CompleteMonster: [[SociopathicSoldier Captain]] Harrison [[PsychoForHire Love]] is TheDragon to [[BigBad Don Rafael Montero]] and manages to be an even worse person than his boss. Hired by Rafael to kidnap and enslave local people for a gold mining operation, Love indulges his own perverse hobby on the side, [[CreepySouvenir collecting the body parts of the men he has killed]] and [[ImAHumanitarian pickling them in his wine jars]]. Having gunned down Alejandro Marieta's brother Joaquin and partner, Three-Finger Jack, Love tries to force Alejandro to drink from the jars containing Joaquin's head and Jack's trademark hand as a form of psychological torture; he also tries to shoot through Don Rafael's daughter, Elena, when Zorro uses her as a shield. When Zorro exposes the existence of Don Rafael's gold mine to President Santa Anna, Love comes up with the idea of burying both mine and [[LeaveNoSurvivors workers]] with explosives, an act that will kill thousands. When Zorro interrupts this attempt at mass murder, Love lures [[IShallTauntYou taunts Zorro as they duel]], telling him into the boiler room, then blows it up, failing to injure Zorro, but succeeding in [[BadBoss killing several of Love's own men]]. that "[[RelativeButton your brother would have shot himself by now.]]" Described by Zorro as a "[[YoureInsane a very sick person]]", Captain Love was loyal only to his vices, and [[{{Sadist}} motivated only]] by the enactment of [[BloodKnight physical]] and [[MindRape psychological]] violence.
7th Sep '17 2:35:55 AM Silverblade2
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* FirstInstallmentWins: ''The Mask Of Zorro'' is a great film (Creator/RogerEbert went so far to say it was one of the best Zorro films ever made), ''The Legend Of Zorro''... not so much.

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* FirstInstallmentWins: ''The Mask Of Zorro'' is a great film (Creator/RogerEbert went so far to say it was one of the best Zorro films ever made), film, ''The Legend Of Zorro''... not so much.
6th Sep '17 8:28:11 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[SociopathicSoldier Captain]] Harrison [[PsychoForHire Love]] is TheDragon to [[BigBad Don Rafael Montero]] and manages to be an even worse person than his boss. Hired by Rafael to kidnap and enslave local people for a gold mining operation, Love indulges his own perverse hobby on the side, [[CreepySouvenir collecting the body parts of the men he has killed]] and [[ImAHumanitarian pickling them in his wine jars]]. Having gunned down Alejandro Marieta's brother Joaquin and partner, Three-Finger Jack, Love tries to force Alejandro to drink from the jars containing Joaquin's head and Jack's trademark hand as a form of psychological torture; he also tries to shoot through Don Rafael's daughter, Elena, when Zorro uses her as a shield. When Zorro exposes the existence of Don Rafael's gold mine to President Santa Anna, Love comes up with the idea of burying both mine and [[LeaveNoSurvivors workers]] with explosives, an act that will kill thousands. When Zorro interrupts this attempt at mass murder, Love lures him into the boiler room, then blows it up, failing to injure Zorro, but succeeding in [[BadBoss killing several of Love's own men]]. Described by Zorro as a "[[YoureInsane a very sick person]]", Captain Love was loyal only to his vices, and [[{Sadist}} motivated only]] by the enactment of [[BloodKnight physical]] and [[MindRape psychological]] violence.

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* CompleteMonster: [[SociopathicSoldier Captain]] Harrison [[PsychoForHire Love]] is TheDragon to [[BigBad Don Rafael Montero]] and manages to be an even worse person than his boss. Hired by Rafael to kidnap and enslave local people for a gold mining operation, Love indulges his own perverse hobby on the side, [[CreepySouvenir collecting the body parts of the men he has killed]] and [[ImAHumanitarian pickling them in his wine jars]]. Having gunned down Alejandro Marieta's brother Joaquin and partner, Three-Finger Jack, Love tries to force Alejandro to drink from the jars containing Joaquin's head and Jack's trademark hand as a form of psychological torture; he also tries to shoot through Don Rafael's daughter, Elena, when Zorro uses her as a shield. When Zorro exposes the existence of Don Rafael's gold mine to President Santa Anna, Love comes up with the idea of burying both mine and [[LeaveNoSurvivors workers]] with explosives, an act that will kill thousands. When Zorro interrupts this attempt at mass murder, Love lures him into the boiler room, then blows it up, failing to injure Zorro, but succeeding in [[BadBoss killing several of Love's own men]]. Described by Zorro as a "[[YoureInsane a very sick person]]", Captain Love was loyal only to his vices, and [[{Sadist}} [[{{Sadist}} motivated only]] by the enactment of [[BloodKnight physical]] and [[MindRape psychological]] violence.
4th Sep '17 12:48:31 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Captain Harrison Love, the PsychoForHire [[TheDragon Dragon]], keeps the dismembered body parts of Alejandro's brother pickled in alcohol, which he drinks "based on an Incan custom". When he learns Zorro has the means to expose Don Rafael's plan (buying California with stolen gold), he calmly suggests destroying the mine to hide evidence of the theft...with the slaves who did the mining still inside, "to destroy ''all'' the evidence".

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* CompleteMonster: Captain [[SociopathicSoldier Captain]] Harrison Love, [[PsychoForHire Love]] is TheDragon to [[BigBad Don Rafael Montero]] and manages to be an even worse person than his boss. Hired by Rafael to kidnap and enslave local people for a gold mining operation, Love indulges his own perverse hobby on the PsychoForHire [[TheDragon Dragon]], keeps side, [[CreepySouvenir collecting the dismembered body parts of Alejandro's the men he has killed]] and [[ImAHumanitarian pickling them in his wine jars]]. Having gunned down Alejandro Marieta's brother pickled in alcohol, which he drinks "based on an Incan custom". When he learns Zorro has Joaquin and partner, Three-Finger Jack, Love tries to force Alejandro to drink from the means jars containing Joaquin's head and Jack's trademark hand as a form of psychological torture; he also tries to expose shoot through Don Rafael's plan (buying California with stolen gold), he calmly suggests destroying daughter, Elena, when Zorro uses her as a shield. When Zorro exposes the existence of Don Rafael's gold mine to hide evidence of the theft...President Santa Anna, Love comes up with the slaves who did idea of burying both mine and [[LeaveNoSurvivors workers]] with explosives, an act that will kill thousands. When Zorro interrupts this attempt at mass murder, Love lures him into the mining still inside, "to destroy ''all'' boiler room, then blows it up, failing to injure Zorro, but succeeding in [[BadBoss killing several of Love's own men]]. Described by Zorro as a "[[YoureInsane a very sick person]]", Captain Love was loyal only to his vices, and [[{Sadist}} motivated only]] by the evidence".enactment of [[BloodKnight physical]] and [[MindRape psychological]] violence.
8th Jul '17 10:36:21 AM overman2099
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Don Rafael Montero gets this from the fans at times. By no means a one-dimensional villain, Montero does genuinely have some positive traits, such as being AFatherToHisMen who's willing to fight either Zorro on his own and doesn't ask his troops to do anything he wouldn't do himself in battle. Plus he genuinely does love Elena and tried to be as good of a father to her as possible, to the point he chastised Don Diego for thinking he would ever shoot her just to gain an advantage over him. And he does show a small hint of hesitation over blowing up all the workers in the mine. However, none of this detracts from the fact that he was willing to have multiple innocent people executed just to draw out Zorro. And it doesn't change the fact that he only became Elena's father because he fought the first Zorro in a duel that led to her mother's death in the first place and then ''took the baby Elena from Don Diego and had Don Diego put in prison for up to two decades'', plus he had no problem ''pretending'' to be willing to shoot Elena to make Don Diego drop his weapon and leave him open for a fatal shot. And with regards to all the workers who slaved away in his mines, no matter how horrified he may have looked at Captain Love's suggestion to blow them all up, Don Rafael really had no qualms about ''enslaving those people and putting them into slave labor in the first place''.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Don Rafael Montero gets this from the fans at times. By no means a one-dimensional villain, Montero does genuinely have some a few positive traits, such as traits despite being AFatherToHisMen who's willing to fight either Zorro an otherwise ruthless villain. He's capable of fighting both Zorros on his own and doesn't ask isn't totally reliant upon his troops to do anything he wouldn't do himself in battle.troops. Plus he genuinely does love Elena and tried to be as good of a father to her as possible, to the point he chastised Don Diego for thinking he would ever shoot her just to gain an advantage over him. And he does show a small hint of hesitation over blowing up all the workers in the mine. However, However a lot of fans have a tendency to take the few minor humanizing traits he has and exaggerate them to the point where they make Don Rafael out to be a loving father figure who would never harm Elena and deeply regrets the loss of innocent life. In the end, none of this detracts from the fact that he was willing to have multiple innocent people executed just to draw out Zorro. And it doesn't change the fact that he only became Elena's father because he fought the first Zorro in a duel that led to her mother's death in the first place and then ''took the baby Elena from Don Diego and had Don Diego put in prison for up to two decades'', plus he had no problem ''pretending'' to be willing to shoot Elena to make Don Diego drop his weapon and leave him open for a fatal shot. And with regards to all the workers who slaved away in his mines, no matter how horrified he may have looked at Captain Love's suggestion to blow them all up, Don Rafael really had no qualms about ''enslaving those people and putting them into slave labor in the first place''. Plus he outranked Captain Love to begin with and could have easily overridden his plan to kill all the workers but ultimately chose to go along with it in the span of only a few short seconds.
28th Oct '16 12:30:54 PM Prometheus117
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Don Rafael Montero gets this from the fans at times. By no means a one-dimensional villain, Montero does genuinely have some positive traits, such as being AFatherToHisMen who's willing to fight either Zorro on his own and doesn't ask his troops to do anything he wouldn't do himself in battle. Plus he genuinely does love Elena and tried to be as good of a father to her as possible. And he does show a small hint of hesitation over blowing up all the workers in the mine. However, none of this detracts from the fact that he was willing to have multiple innocent people executed just to draw out Zorro. And it doesn't change the fact that he only became Elena's father because he fought the first Zorro in a duel that led to her mother's death in the first place and then ''took the baby Elena from Don Diego and had Don Diego put in prison for up to two decades''. And with regards to all the workers who slaved away in his mines, no matter how horrified he may have looked at Captain Love's suggestion to blow them all up, Don Rafael really had no qualms about ''enslaving those people and putting them into slave labor in the first place''.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Don Rafael Montero gets this from the fans at times. By no means a one-dimensional villain, Montero does genuinely have some positive traits, such as being AFatherToHisMen who's willing to fight either Zorro on his own and doesn't ask his troops to do anything he wouldn't do himself in battle. Plus he genuinely does love Elena and tried to be as good of a father to her as possible.possible, to the point he chastised Don Diego for thinking he would ever shoot her just to gain an advantage over him. And he does show a small hint of hesitation over blowing up all the workers in the mine. However, none of this detracts from the fact that he was willing to have multiple innocent people executed just to draw out Zorro. And it doesn't change the fact that he only became Elena's father because he fought the first Zorro in a duel that led to her mother's death in the first place and then ''took the baby Elena from Don Diego and had Don Diego put in prison for up to two decades''.decades'', plus he had no problem ''pretending'' to be willing to shoot Elena to make Don Diego drop his weapon and leave him open for a fatal shot. And with regards to all the workers who slaved away in his mines, no matter how horrified he may have looked at Captain Love's suggestion to blow them all up, Don Rafael really had no qualms about ''enslaving those people and putting them into slave labor in the first place''.
31st Aug '16 11:00:54 AM erforce
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* TheScrappy: Seriously... who, after watching the first movie, apparently demanded that what the sequel needed was a child thrown into the mix??
* {{Sequelitis}}: The general consensus seems to be that ''The Legend of Zorro'' was not so legendary, despite having the same leads and director.
31st Aug '16 9:30:42 AM erforce
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* AwesomeMusic: JamesHorner cuts loose with an outrageously fun, Latin-flavored score.

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* AwesomeMusic: JamesHorner Creator/AwesomeMusic: Music/JamesHorner cuts loose with an outrageously fun, Latin-flavored score.



* HilariousInHindsight: "The pointy end goes into the other man"? Someone's been getting swordfighting lessons from [[Series/GameOfThrones Arya Stark]]...

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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"The pointy end goes into the other man"? Someone's been getting swordfighting lessons from [[Series/GameOfThrones Arya Stark]]...Stark]]...
** The IAmSpartacus scene, considering that Creator/KirkDouglas, the original Film/{{Spartacus}}, is Creator/CatherineZetaJones' (Elena) father-in-law.
6th Aug '16 9:45:59 PM overman2099
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Don Rafael Montero gets this from the fans at times. By no means a one-dimensional villain, Montero does genuinely have some positive traits, such as being AFatherToHisMen who's willing to fight either Zorro on his own and doesn't ask his troops to do anything he wouldn't do himself in battle. Plus he genuinely does love Elena and tried to be as good of a father to her as possible. And he does show a small hint of hesitation over blowing up all the workers in the mine. However, none of this detracts from the fact that he was willing to have multiple innocent people executed just to draw out Zorro. And it doesn't change the fact that he only became Elena's father because he fought the first Zorro in a duel that led to her mother's death in the first place and then ''took the baby Elena from Don Diego and had Don Diego put in prison for up to two decades''. And with regards to all the workers who slaved away in his mines, no matter how horrified he may have looked at Captain Love's suggestion to blow them all up, Don Rafael really had no qualms about ''enslaving those people and putting them into slave labor in the first place''.
2nd Jul '16 6:36:04 PM k410ren
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* SignatureScene: Zorro using his sword to render Elena topless.

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* SignatureScene: Zorro using his sword to render Elena topless.topless.
* TearJerker: The finale of the prologue, as Don Diego loses everything he cared for: His wife gunned down in front of him, his child taken to be raised by his ArchEnemy, his home burned to the ground, and his freedom.
-->'''Diego''': Rafael!! You'll never be rid of me! Rafael!!!!
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