History YMMV / TheMagicFlute

21st May '15 6:33:33 AM darkabomination
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** What I heard was: Tamino is the human soul searching for Enlightenment; Pamina is the Spirit of Enlightenment; the Queen is the Roman Catholic Church, which was the guardian of the Spirit of Enlightenment until she became more interested in power and wealth than wisdom, when the Spirit went to live with Sarastro, who is Freemasonry.

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** What I heard was: Alternatively, Tamino is the human soul searching for Enlightenment; Pamina is the Spirit of Enlightenment; the Queen is the Roman Catholic Church, which was the guardian of the Spirit of Enlightenment until she became more interested in power and wealth than wisdom, when the Spirit went to live with Sarastro, who is Freemasonry.
30th Nov '14 12:37:47 PM Alberich
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* DemocracyIsBad: Sarastro isn't just Enlightened; his Enlightenment entitles him and his Order to rule, to kidnap Pamina from her mother, to keep Monostatos as a slave, to decide whether Papageno can get married (the priests tell him he'll never catch her unless he undergoes their trials), possibly to sacrifice Tamino and Pamina if they fail the trials (he says if they fail, they will be "given" to Isis and Osiris, and "taste the pleasures of the Gods earlier than we do"), and to wield whatever power casts the Queen into Eternal Night. Lesser beings, whether they are good ones like Papageno or bad ones like Monostatos, have no voice in the State, and this is shown as right and proper.

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* DemocracyIsBad: DemocracyIsBad and HobbesWasRight: Sarastro isn't just Enlightened; his Enlightenment entitles him and his Order to rule, to kidnap Pamina from her mother, to keep Monostatos as a slave, to decide whether Papageno can get married (the priests tell him he'll never catch her unless he undergoes their trials), possibly to sacrifice Tamino and Pamina if they fail the trials (he says if they fail, they will be "given" to Isis and Osiris, and "taste the pleasures of the Gods earlier than we do"), and to wield whatever power casts the Queen into Eternal Night. Lesser beings, whether they are good ones like Papageno or bad ones like Monostatos, have no voice in the State, and this is shown as right and proper.
30th Nov '14 9:28:56 AM Alberich
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* DemocracyIsBad: Sarastro isn't just Enlightened; his Enlightenment entitles him and his Order to rule, to kidnap Pamina from her mother, to keep Monostatos as a slave, to decide whether Papageno can get married (the priests tell him he'll never catch her unless he undergoes their trials), possibly to sacrifice Tamino and Pamina if they fail the trials (he says if they fail, they will be "given" to Isis and Osiris, and "taste the pleasures of the Gods earlier than we do"), and to wield whatever power casts the Queen into Eternal Night. Lesser beings, whether they are good ones like Papageno or bad ones like Monostatos, have no voice in the State.

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* DemocracyIsBad: Sarastro isn't just Enlightened; his Enlightenment entitles him and his Order to rule, to kidnap Pamina from her mother, to keep Monostatos as a slave, to decide whether Papageno can get married (the priests tell him he'll never catch her unless he undergoes their trials), possibly to sacrifice Tamino and Pamina if they fail the trials (he says if they fail, they will be "given" to Isis and Osiris, and "taste the pleasures of the Gods earlier than we do"), and to wield whatever power casts the Queen into Eternal Night. Lesser beings, whether they are good ones like Papageno or bad ones like Monostatos, have no voice in the State.State, and this is shown as right and proper.
30th Nov '14 9:16:47 AM Alberich
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* DemocracyIsBad: Sarastro isn't just Enlightened; his Enlightenment entitles him and his Order to rule, to kidnap Pamina from her mother, to keep Monostatos as a slave, to decide whether Papageno can get married (the priests tell him he'll never catch her unless he undergoes their trials), and possibly to sacrifice Tamino and Pamina if they fail the trials (he says if they fail, they will be "given" to Isis and Osiris, and "taste the pleasures of the Gods earlier than we do"), and to wield whatever power casts the Queen into Eternal Night. Lesser beings, whether they are good ones like Papageno or bad ones like Monostatos, have no voice in the State.

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* DemocracyIsBad: Sarastro isn't just Enlightened; his Enlightenment entitles him and his Order to rule, to kidnap Pamina from her mother, to keep Monostatos as a slave, to decide whether Papageno can get married (the priests tell him he'll never catch her unless he undergoes their trials), and possibly to sacrifice Tamino and Pamina if they fail the trials (he says if they fail, they will be "given" to Isis and Osiris, and "taste the pleasures of the Gods earlier than we do"), and to wield whatever power casts the Queen into Eternal Night. Lesser beings, whether they are good ones like Papageno or bad ones like Monostatos, have no voice in the State.
30th Nov '14 9:14:33 AM Alberich
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* DemocracyIsBad: Sarastro isn't just Enlightened; his Enlightenment entitles him and his Order to rule, to kidnap Pamina from her mother, to keep Monostatos as a slave, to decide whether Papageno can get married (the priests tell him he'll never catch her unless he undergoes her trials), and possibly to sacrifice Tamino and Pamina if they fail the trials (he says if they fail, they will be "given" to Isis and Osiris, and "taste the pleasures of the Gods earlier than we do"), and to wield whatever power casts the Queen into Eternal Night. Lesser beings, whether they are good ones like Papageno or bad ones like Monostatos, have no voice in the State.

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* DemocracyIsBad: Sarastro isn't just Enlightened; his Enlightenment entitles him and his Order to rule, to kidnap Pamina from her mother, to keep Monostatos as a slave, to decide whether Papageno can get married (the priests tell him he'll never catch her unless he undergoes her their trials), and possibly to sacrifice Tamino and Pamina if they fail the trials (he says if they fail, they will be "given" to Isis and Osiris, and "taste the pleasures of the Gods earlier than we do"), and to wield whatever power casts the Queen into Eternal Night. Lesser beings, whether they are good ones like Papageno or bad ones like Monostatos, have no voice in the State.
30th Nov '14 9:12:44 AM Alberich
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* DemocracyIsBad: Sarastro isn't just Enlightened; his Enlightenment entitles him and his Order to rule, to kidnap Pamina from her mother, to keep Monostatos as a slave, to decide whether Papageno can get married (the priests tell him he'll never catch her unless he undergoes her trials), and possibly to sacrifice Tamino and Pamina if they fail the trials (he says if they fail, they will be "given" to Isis and Osiris, and "taste the pleasures of the Gods earlier than we do"), and to wield whatever power casts the Queen into Eternal Night. Lesser beings, whether they are good ones like Papageno or bad ones like Monostatos, have no voice in the State.
30th Nov '14 8:53:50 AM Alberich
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** In another reading, the characters represent tendencies in human nature rather than specific institutions. Monostatos and the Queen of the Night are male and female vices (hatred, lust, impudence, vengefulness). Sarastro is virtue and Masonic enlightenment. Tamino and Pamina are noble humans who turn from vice to enlightenment. Papageno and Papagena are good, decent humans who do not aspire to full enlightenment, yet deserve their happy ending (and thus show that the world is not divided strictly into Villains vs. the Enlightened).
28th Nov '14 6:35:20 PM Alberich
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** On that reading, Papageno and Papagena have a ''very'' important role. Without them, the world is divided into the Enlightened (Freemasons) and the Villains. They show that the world is not so black-and-white, but that there are plenty of good and decent people who just aren't made for divine wisdom and enlightenment, and who deserve to live and be happy.

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** On that reading, Papageno and Papagena have a ''very'' important role. Without them, the world is divided into the Enlightened (Freemasons) and the Villains. They show that the world is not so black-and-white, but that there are plenty of good and decent people who just aren't made for divine wisdom and enlightenment, and who yet deserve to live and be happy.
28th Nov '14 6:34:34 PM Alberich
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* {{Allegory}}: Tamino is the human soul seeking enlightenment; Pamina is the Spirit of Enlightenment; the Queen of the Night is the Roman Catholic Church; Sarastro is Freemasonry. The Spirit of Enlightenment originally lived with the Church, but when the Church became more interested in power and wealth than the pursuit of wisdom, it was taken from her and went to live with the Freemasons.



* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotAllegorical: Tamino is the human soul seeking enlightenment; Pamina is the Spirit of Enlightenment; the Queen of the Night is the Roman Catholic Church; Sarastro is Freemasonry. The Spirit of Enlightenment originally lived with the Church, but when the Church became more interested in power and wealth than the pursuit of wisdom, it was taken from her and went to live with the Freemasons.
28th Nov '14 6:33:16 PM Alberich
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotAllegorical: Tamino is the human soul seeking enlightenment; Pamina is the Spirit of Enlightenment; the Queen of the Night is the Roman Catholic Church; Sarastro is Freemasonry. The Spirit of Enlightenment originally lived with the Church, but when the Church became more interested in power and wealth than the pursuit of wisdom, it was taken from her and went to live with the Freemasons.
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