History YMMV / TheLittleMermaid

14th Mar '17 5:29:31 PM Golondrina
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** [[http://neilblr.com/post/58490668107 Ariel Needs Legs]], a StylisticSuck comic in which Ursula gives Ariel eight legs and Eric is a ''VideoGame/{{Pokemon}}'' fan. Perhaps the most well-known part is when Eric comes clean to Grimsby about Ariel's condition:

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** [[http://neilblr.com/post/58490668107 Ariel Needs Legs]], a StylisticSuck comic by Creator/NeilCicierega in which Ursula gives Ariel eight legs and Eric is a ''VideoGame/{{Pokemon}}'' fan. Perhaps the most well-known part is when Eric comes clean to Grimsby about Ariel's condition:
11th Mar '17 7:31:39 AM Kittencakes
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** On the other hand, others see the moral of unrequited selfless love as a bit of a ValuesResonance. Not to mention the fact that the original story can be read as a homosexual allegory, what with the mermaid having feelings for someone she's not allowed to, and the prince rejecting her to be with someone more "conventional" like his fiancee princess (It helps that Hans Christian Andersen himself was bisexual, and wrote the Little Mermaid out of a similar experience in his life: he fell in love with a man who was already engaged, and back then homosexual relationships were a taboo).


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** On a less positive aspect, other people see Ariel's infatuation with the human world and link it unfavorably to young kids who fetishize other cultures (i.e.: western fans of anime/manga, weaboos), while rejecting their own, but they have a very shallow idea of what the culture entails. So to them Ariel comes off as even more shallow than ever, believing that her obsession with the human world will stop once she matures and grows (like it happens a lot with teenage fans).
10th Mar '17 2:28:43 PM TheNewBig
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* RonTheDeathEater: Being on two opposing sides of an issue, both Ariel and King Triton have people who ignore all faults in one while demonizing the other. Triton's detractors forget that he's a single parent trying to raise seven daughters, and run an entire kingdom, and that he immediately [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] his overreaction to Ariel's love for Eric, and the effect it ended up having on her. Ariel's meanwhile overlook the fact that she's a sheltered teenager who, like many simply doesn't feel she fits in where she is and wants a life of her own. As for the deal with Ursula, she didn't exactly jump right into it. She was manipulated and pressured into taking it at a time when Triton's actions had left her hurt and vulnerable. She, too immediately regrets that her mistake resulted in her father nearly suffering [[spoiler: the same fate as Ursula's other victims.]]

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* RonTheDeathEater: Being on two opposing sides of an issue, both Ariel and King Triton have people who ignore all faults in one while demonizing the other. Triton's detractors forget that he's a single parent trying to raise seven daughters, and run an entire kingdom, and that he immediately [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] his overreaction to Ariel's love for Eric, and the effect it ended up having on her. Ariel's meanwhile overlook the fact that she's a sheltered teenager who, like many simply doesn't feel she fits in where she is and wants a life of her own. As for the deal with Ursula, she didn't exactly jump right into it. She was manipulated and pressured into taking it at a time when Triton's actions had left her hurt and vulnerable. She, too immediately regrets that the consequence of her mistake resulted in her father own mistake.[[spoiler: That is to say, Triton nearly suffering [[spoiler: the same fate as Ursula's other victims.]]
9th Mar '17 10:57:37 AM PresidentExpert
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** The [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/img_0677.JPG phallic-looking]] castle on the DVD cover.

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** The [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/img_0677.JPG phallic-looking]] castle on the DVD original VHS cover.
7th Mar '17 6:29:42 PM TheNewBig
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* RonTheDeathEater: Being on two opposing sides of an issue, both Ariel and King Triton have people who ignore all faults in one while demonizing the other. Triton's detractors forget that he's a single parent trying to raise seven daughters, and run an entire kingdom, and that he immediately [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] his overreaction to Ariel's love for Eric. Ariel's meanwhile overlook the fact that she's a sheltered teenager who, like many simply doesn't feel she fits in where she is and wants a life of her own. She also doesn't so much jump right into Ursula's deal as is manipulated into it at a time when Triton's actions had left her hurt and vulnerable.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Being on two opposing sides of an issue, both Ariel and King Triton have people who ignore all faults in one while demonizing the other. Triton's detractors forget that he's a single parent trying to raise seven daughters, and run an entire kingdom, and that he immediately [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] his overreaction to Ariel's love for Eric.Eric, and the effect it ended up having on her. Ariel's meanwhile overlook the fact that she's a sheltered teenager who, like many simply doesn't feel she fits in where she is and wants a life of her own. She also doesn't so much As for the deal with Ursula, she didn't exactly jump right into Ursula's deal as is it. She was manipulated and pressured into taking it at a time when Triton's actions had left her hurt and vulnerable.vulnerable. She, too immediately regrets that her mistake resulted in her father nearly suffering [[spoiler: the same fate as Ursula's other victims.]]



* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Being a non-action girl whose main motivation is becoming human to be with her prince, many people love to yell, "Ariel is a stupid bitch and a bad role model for little girls who THROWS HER LIFE AWAY FOR A GUY!" without stopping to realize that she already wanted to see the human world, Eric was mostly the final push she needed to make the decision to go there, Ursula was doing some pushing of her own in a particularly vulnerable moment for Ariel, etc. Apparently a woman isn't allowed to fall in romantic love ''ever''; nor is romantic love allowed to be a partial motivation to do something she wanted to do anyway. She also gets a lot of flak for needing to be rescued by Eric at the end, even though she had saved him twice before that.

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* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Being a non-action girl whose main motivation is becoming human to be with her prince, many people love to yell, "Ariel is a stupid bitch and a bad role model for little girls who THROWS HER LIFE AWAY FOR A GUY!" without stopping to realize that she already wanted to see the human world, Eric was mostly the final push she needed to make the decision to go there, and Ursula was doing some pushing of her own in a particularly vulnerable moment for Ariel, etc. Apparently a woman isn't allowed to fall in romantic love ''ever''; nor is romantic love allowed to be a partial motivation to do something she wanted to do anyway. She also gets a lot of flak for needing to be rescued by Eric at the end, even though she had saved him twice before that.



** In a meta sense, Ariel is often thrown in with other "girly" DisneyPrincesses, like Snow White and Cinerella, as an example of being a poor role model to little girls; often unfairly compared to the more "badass" TomboyPrincesses like Mulan and Merida. Because RealWomenNeverWearDresses, apparently.

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** In a meta sense, Ariel is often thrown in with other "girly" DisneyPrincesses, like Snow White and Cinerella, as an example of being a poor role model to little girls; often unfairly compared to the more "badass" TomboyPrincesses like Mulan and Merida. Because RealWomenNeverWearDresses, apparently.RealWomenNeverWearDresses!



** Many viewers' reaction to Ariel's deal with the ObviouslyEvil DevilInPlainSight [[BigBad Ursula]] also qualifies. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXaeH0R0Rzg&t=277s One deleted scene]] even had Sebastian cry, "No Ariel, don't be so stupid!" ''during'' "Poor Unfortunate Souls" before he's cut off by the eels. While the line was obviously cut from the final film, and even with the viewers' knowledge that Ariel was pressured and manipulated while she was at her most emotionally hurt and vulnerable point by Ursula, this doesn't stop many viewers from having this reaction.
7th Mar '17 6:08:24 PM TheNewBig
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** Ariel will also never live down her choice itself, giving up her life under the sea with her family for a man she barely knew. The fact that she ''already'' wanted to gain feet and join the human world ''long'' before she ever saw Eric is another point the criticisms fail to grasp.



** Ariel will also never live down her choice itself, giving up her life under the sea with her family for a man she barely knew. The fact that she ''already'' wanted to gain feet and join the human world ''long'' before she ever saw Eric is another point the criticisms fail to grasp.
26th Feb '17 8:02:08 PM tvtropesruinedmylife22
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** The [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/img_0677.JPG phallic-looking]] castle on the DVD cover.
24th Feb '17 9:24:41 PM PrincessGwen
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** Is Ariel a good character/role model or a terrible one? Those who dislike her point to her being selfish and reckless and who's sense of rebelliousness and occasional irresponsibility often causes problems. Her making a deal with [[BigBad Ursula]], who she knows to not be trustworthy and who curses those who can't fulfill their end of a deal was a pretty big mistake, especially since it's for the sake of a man she barely knows. They also note that she doesn't appear to learn anything from the ordeal. Fans of her praise her bravery and decisive attitude, feeling that she's good as a flawed protagonist rather than being too unrealistically perfect. They also make the arguments that she has every right to want a life where she can find happiness, that she'd long been fascinated by the surface world and not just Eric, that after the deal she ''does'' spend a good deal of time getting to know Eric, that the film doesn't portray the deal as a good thing, but an understandable mistake in an extremely vulnerable moment and that she has to [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her happy ending]], ''big time''.
** King Triton. A well-meaning father who only wants what's best for Ariel, or a idiotic and possibly racist {{Jerkass}} father who doesn't handle Ariel's fascination with humans tactfully and brought the events of the second half of the movie upon himself because he couldn't hold his temper?

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** Is Ariel a good character/role model or a terrible one? Those who dislike her point to her being selfish and reckless and who's whose sense of rebelliousness and occasional irresponsibility often causes problems. Her making a deal with [[BigBad Ursula]], who she knows to not be trustworthy and who curses those who can't fulfill their end of a deal was a pretty big mistake, especially since it's for the sake of a man she barely knows. They also note that she doesn't appear to learn anything from the ordeal. Fans of her praise her bravery and decisive attitude, feeling that she's good as a flawed protagonist rather than being too unrealistically perfect. They also make the arguments that she has every right to want a life where she can find happiness, that she'd long been fascinated by the surface world and not just Eric, that after the deal she ''does'' spend a good deal of time getting to know Eric, that the film doesn't portray the deal as a good thing, but an understandable mistake in an extremely vulnerable moment and that she has to [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her happy ending]], ''big time''.
** King Triton. A well-meaning father who only wants what's best for Ariel, or a an idiotic and possibly racist {{Jerkass}} father who doesn't handle Ariel's fascination with humans tactfully and brought the events of the second half of the movie upon himself because he couldn't hold his temper?



* FairForItsDay: Today some take issue with the movie as its heroine is a girl who abandons her family and her home for a guy she hardly knows. At the time though, Ariel was written by Disney to be a proactive girl, following after the more passive and demure Snow White, Cinderella, and Aurora. She also was the first Disney princess to set out and win the heart of the guy she loved, rather than have him show up and carry her off. (And she was also the first Disney princess to save the life of her prince, twice.)

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* FairForItsDay: Today some take issue with the movie as its heroine is a girl who abandons her family and her home for a guy she hardly knows. At the time though, Ariel was written by Disney to be a proactive girl, following after the more passive and demure Snow White, Cinderella, and Aurora. She also was the first Disney princess to set out and win the heart of the guy she loved, rather than have him show up and carry her off. (And she was also the first Disney princess Princess to save the life of her prince, twice.)



** Ursula's incantation for casting the spell on Ariel includes the words "Laryngitis" and "Glossitis". Someone well-versed in medical terminology would notice that they are a rather common conditions that may result in mute-ness.

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** Ursula's incantation for casting the spell on Ariel includes the words "Laryngitis" and "Glossitis". Someone well-versed in medical terminology would notice that they are a rather common conditions that may result in mute-ness.



** [[Franchise/TheMuppets With of all the]] [[Creator/{{ABC}} acquisitions Disney]] [[Creator/{{Pixar}} has made]] [[Franchise/StarWars over the]] [[Creator/MarvelComics past two decades]], "Part of that World" has been parodied again and again anytime Disney thinks "But who cares? No big deal. I want more", and acquires something new.

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** [[Franchise/TheMuppets With of all the]] [[Creator/{{ABC}} acquisitions Disney]] [[Creator/{{Pixar}} has made]] [[Franchise/StarWars over the]] [[Creator/MarvelComics past two decades]], "Part of that Your World" has been parodied again and again anytime Disney thinks "But who cares? No big deal. I want more", and acquires something new.



** Chef Louie is René Auberjonois, years before becoming well-known as [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Constable Odo]] (though some viewers might remember him as [[Series/{{Benson}} Clayton Endicott III]] or [[WesternAnimation/SuperFriends Desaad]].

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** Chef Louie Louis is René Auberjonois, years before becoming well-known as [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Constable Odo]] (though some viewers might remember him as [[Series/{{Benson}} Clayton Endicott III]] or [[WesternAnimation/SuperFriends Desaad]].



** Gabriella in tv series, a deaf mermaid who used sign language (her octopus sidekick served as a translator) and appeared in two episodes. Fans love her, not just for being adorable but also for being an example of positive representation in a kids' show.

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** Gabriella in the tv series, a deaf mermaid who used sign language (her octopus sidekick served as a translator) and appeared in two episodes. Fans love her, not just for being adorable but also for being an example of positive representation in a kids' show.
17th Feb '17 7:25:25 PM Give1Take2
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* RonTheDeathEater: Ariel also gets some of this in regards to her parenting towards Melody in the sequel. Many fans are a little too eager to sham her by calling her a hypocrite because of how overprotective she was of Melody, ignoring that Ariel did try to keep Melody from making the same mistakes she did. Also that Triton was being paranoid about humans in general when he tried to keep Ariel safe, while Ariel was trying to protect Melody from a ''definite'' threat in Morgana. (Although it doesn't help that Ariel doesn't sit Melody down and explain what the "''definite'' threat" ''is'', but simply tells her to stay away from the ocean because "it's dangerous," when she herself understandably didn't believe her father when he said to stay away from the surface because "humans are dangerous.")

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** Triton has gotten this a ''lot'' more since ''TheLittleMermaidArielsBeginning'', with many fans now seeing him as an oppressive tyrant who randomly outlaws anything he doesn't like (music, the surface) because, [[FanonDiscontinuity in this film]], he outlaws his entire kingdom from singing or playing any music because of his grief for his own [[spoiler:dead wife]]. Of course, the fact that this is a direct-to-video prequel made ''years'' after the first film, by a completely different studio, with none of the original creative team from the first movie being involved, doesn't stop fans from forming this opinion.
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Ariel also gets some of this in regards to her parenting towards Melody in the sequel. Many fans are a little too eager to sham shame her by calling her a hypocrite because of for how overprotective she was of Melody, ignoring that Ariel did try to keep Melody from making the same mistakes she did. Also that Triton was being paranoid about humans in general when he tried to keep Ariel safe, while Ariel was trying to protect Melody from a ''definite'' threat in Morgana. (Although Although, it doesn't help that Ariel doesn't sit Melody down and explain to Melody what the "''definite'' threat" ''is'', but simply tells her to stay away from the ocean because "it's dangerous," just like when she herself understandably didn't believe her father when he said told her to stay away from the surface humans because "humans are dangerous.")"they're dangerous," which [[ParentalHypocrisy she didn't listen to when she was younger but expects Melody to listen to now]].
17th Feb '17 6:52:21 PM Give1Take2
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Ursula gets this a lot. Usually because EvilIsSexy. Then there's some (mistakenly) see her as an [[https://reelclub.wordpress.com/2014/06/08/part-of-that-world-alpha-females-patriarchy-and-punishment-in-the-little-mermaid/ unfairly villified feminist icon]] because she's confident, intelligent, happily single, and powerful. Some even go so far as claim that she's just a victim of Triton's tyranny. Naturally these interpretations completely ignore the fact that Ursula got exactly what she deserved simply because she was a cruel, power-hungry, manipulative sadist like most villains. ...which is exactly what she was. ''The'' villain.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Ursula gets this a lot. Usually because EvilIsSexy. Then there's some (mistakenly) see her as an [[https://reelclub.wordpress.com/2014/06/08/part-of-that-world-alpha-females-patriarchy-and-punishment-in-the-little-mermaid/ unfairly villified feminist icon]] because she's confident, intelligent, happily single, and powerful. Some even go so far as claim that she's just a victim of Triton's tyranny. Naturally these interpretations completely ignore the fact that Ursula got exactly what she deserved simply because she was is a cruel, power-hungry, manipulative sadist like most villains. ...which is exactly what she was. ''The'' villain.villains.



** Many fans who learn the WhatCouldHaveBeen {{Fanon}} are confused on how Triton (a merman) and Ursula (a Cecaelias) could be brother-and-sister. Those familiar with Mythology/GreekMythology, and the ''fruitful'' spawn of Poseidon (Triton's father), will know that children of the Greek Gods were ''frequently'' different species of each other.



* RonTheDeathEater: Being on two opposing sides of an issue, both Ariel and King Triton have people who ignore all faults in one while demonizing the other. Triton's detractors forget that he's a single parent trying to raise seven daughters, and run an entire kingdom, and that he immediately [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] his overreaction to Ariel's love for Eric. Ariel's meanwhile overlook the fact that she's just a sheltered teenager who, like many simply doesn't feel she fits in where she is and wants a life of her own. She also doesn't so much jump right into Ursula's deal as is pressured into it at a time when Triton's actions had left her hurt and vulnerable. Oh, and she, too clearly regrets the damage she caused. Of course, there's the fact that they were both being manipulated by Ursula.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Being on two opposing sides of an issue, both Ariel and King Triton have people who ignore all faults in one while demonizing the other. Triton's detractors forget that he's a single parent trying to raise seven daughters, and run an entire kingdom, and that he immediately [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] his overreaction to Ariel's love for Eric. Ariel's meanwhile overlook the fact that she's just a sheltered teenager who, like many simply doesn't feel she fits in where she is and wants a life of her own. She also doesn't so much jump right into Ursula's deal as is pressured manipulated into it at a time when Triton's actions had left her hurt and vulnerable. Oh, and she, too clearly regrets the damage she caused. Of course, there's the fact that they were both being manipulated by Ursula.vulnerable.



** Triton is an intolerant Jerkass telling Ariel how cruel and evil humans are, since Ariel's idealistic views all turn out to be right. (Though through MoralLuck--neither had any way of knowing their view of humans was the right one based on the limited information they had at the time, living under the sea.) However, humans do catch and eat fish, which are 100% sentient in this mythos. Of course, humans don't realize that (despite Eric apparently being able to hear Sebastian naming Ariel just fine), and Triton destroying all of Ariel's stuff to try to force her to stay away from humans was still wrong (and, in some cases, illegal). The CarnivoreConfusion doesn't help matters much - in real life, fish eat other fish all the time!
** On a lesser note, Triton and Sebastian scolding Ariel for missing the concert. Based on Flounder's reaction, it seems the audience is supposed to think they shouldn't reprimand her ''at all'' ("But it wasn't her fault!"). However, this is far from Ariel's first no-show (as Sebastian noted earlier, "If only she'd show up for rehearsal once in a while," and Triton's "I just don't know what we're going to do with you, young lady"), and they have a point that because of her absence, the concert was ruined and those in it were humiliated. While Triton and Sebastian are too hard on her and won't hear her out, they have every right to be angry and hold her accountable for her actions.

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** Triton is an intolerant Jerkass telling Ariel how cruel and evil isn't wrong that humans are, since Ariel's idealistic views all turn out to be right. (Though through MoralLuck--neither had any way of knowing their view of humans was the right one based on the limited information they had at the time, living under the sea.) However, humans do ''do'' catch and eat fish, which fish (his subjects), and since merpeople are half-fish his concern for his daughter getting "snared on some fish-eaters' hook" isn't completely unfounded. [[note]]He turns out to be wrong about humans while she's right, but this is more due to MoralLuck than actual knowledge on Ariel's part, since she started out just as ignorant about the human world as he was[[/note]], Of course, fish are 100% sentient in this mythos. Of course, mythos, which humans don't realize that (despite Eric apparently being able to hear Sebastian naming Ariel just fine), and Triton destroying all of Ariel's stuff to try to force her to stay away from humans was still wrong (and, in some cases, illegal). are completely unaware of. The CarnivoreConfusion doesn't help matters much either - in real life, fish eat other fish all the time!
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** On a lesser note, Triton and Sebastian scolding Ariel for missing the concert. Based on Flounder's reaction, it seems the audience is supposed to think they shouldn't reprimand her ''at all'' for missing the concert. ("But it wasn't her fault!"). fault!") However, this is far from Ariel's first no-show (as Sebastian noted earlier, "If only she'd show up for rehearsal once in a while," and Triton's "I just don't know what we're going to do with you, young lady"), and they have a point that because of her absence, the concert was ''was'' ruined and those in it were (Sebastian, her sisters) ''were'' humiliated. While Triton and Sebastian are too hard on her and won't hear her out, they have every right to be angry and hold her accountable for her actions.


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** Many viewers' reaction to Ariel's deal with the ObviouslyEvil DevilInPlainSight [[BigBad Ursula]] also qualifies. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXaeH0R0Rzg&t=277s One deleted scene]] even had Sebastian cry, "No Ariel, don't be so stupid!" ''during'' "Poor Unfortunate Souls" before he's cut off by the eels. While the line was obviously cut from the final film, and even with the viewers' knowledge that Ariel was pressured and manipulated while she was at her most emotionally hurt and vulnerable point by Ursula, this doesn't stop many viewers from having this reaction.
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