History YMMV / TheLittleMermaid

15th Jan '17 10:08:56 AM TheNewBig
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** Ariel will also never live down her choice to give up her fins, her family, and her whole world to be with a man she saw once and never spoke to. The fact that she ''already'' wanted to gain feet and join the human world ''long'' before she ever saw Eric is another point the criticisms fail to grasp.

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** Ariel will also never live down her choice to give itself, giving up her fins, her family, and her whole world to be life under the sea with her family for a man she saw once and never spoke to.barely knew. The fact that she ''already'' wanted to gain feet and join the human world ''long'' before she ever saw Eric is another point the criticisms fail to grasp.
10th Jan '17 1:25:51 PM TheNewBig
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** Is Ariel a good character/role model or a terrible one? Those who dislike her point to her being selfish, reckless, irresponsible, and too rebellious not to mention abandoning her life and entire family in order to have a slim chance to be with a man she's literally never even spoken to and has only met a single time. Her making a deal with [[BigBad Ursula]], who she knows to not be trustworthy and who readily admits to subjecting those who can't make their payments to a FateWorseThanDeath, was also quite foolish. It can indeed be argued that she is probably just sheltered and/or naive, but her actions wind up endangering a whole lot of people and not just herself. Others also don't like that she doesn't appear to learn anything from the ordeal. Fans of her praise her bravery and decisive attitude, feeling that she's good as a flawed protagonist rather than being too unrealistically perfect. They also make the arguments that the film doesn't portray the deal as a good thing, but an understandable mistake in a vulnerable moment and that she has to [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her happy ending]], ''big time''.

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** Is Ariel a good character/role model or a terrible one? Those who dislike her point to her being selfish, reckless, irresponsible, selfish and too rebellious not to mention abandoning her life reckless and entire family in order to have a slim chance to be with a man she's literally never even spoken to who's sense of rebelliousness and has only met a single time. occasional irresponsibility often causes problems. Her making a deal with [[BigBad Ursula]], who she knows to not be trustworthy and who readily admits to subjecting curses those who can't make fulfill their payments to end of a FateWorseThanDeath, deal was a pretty big mistake, especially since it's for the sake of a man she barely knows. They also quite foolish. It can indeed be argued that she is probably just sheltered and/or naive, but her actions wind up endangering a whole lot of people and not just herself. Others also don't like note that she doesn't appear to learn anything from the ordeal. Fans of her praise her bravery and decisive attitude, feeling that she's good as a flawed protagonist rather than being too unrealistically perfect. They also make the arguments that she has every right to want a life where she can find happiness, that she'd long been fascinated by the surface world and not just Eric, that after the deal she ''does'' spend a good deal of time getting to know Eric, that the film doesn't portray the deal as a good thing, but an understandable mistake in a an extremely vulnerable moment and that she has to [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her happy ending]], ''big time''.
10th Jan '17 1:15:46 PM TheNewBig
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** Ariel is frequently criticized for entering the deal with Ursula. A lot of the criticisms miss the fact that the film portrays it as a bad thing - and there's emphasis on the fact that Ursula is waiting until Ariel is in a particularly vulnerable moment to strike.

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** Ariel is frequently criticized for entering the deal with Ursula. A lot of the criticisms miss the fact that the film portrays it as a bad thing - and there's emphasis on thing, the fact that Ursula is waiting until Ariel is in a particularly vulnerable moment to strike.strike, and of course the fact that Ursula actively sabotages the deal when Ariel comes too close to fulfilling on her end.
10th Jan '17 1:11:18 PM TheNewBig
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** Ariel is frequently criticized for entering the deal with Ursula. A lot of the critics feel the film doesn't do a good enough job of portraying it as a bad thing - and miss the emphasis on Ursula waiting until Ariel is in a particularly vulnerable moment to strike.
** Ariel will also never live down her choice to give up her fins, her family, and her whole world to be with a man she saw once and never spoke to. The fact that she ''already'' wanted to gain feet and join the human world ''long'' before she ever saw Eric is ignored/forgotten.
* RonTheDeathEater: Being on two opposing sides of an issue, both Ariel and King Triton have people who ignore all faults in one while demonizing the other. Triton's detractors forget that he's a single parent trying to raise seven daughters, not to mention with an entire kingdom to run, and that he immediately [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] his overreaction to Ariel's love for Eric. Ariel's meanwhile overlook the fact that she's just a sheltered teenager who, like many simply doesn't feel she fits in where she is and wants a life of her own. She also doesn't so much jump right into Ursula's deal as is pressured into it at a time when Triton's actions had left her hurt and vulnerable. Oh, and she, too clearly regrets the damage she caused. Of course, there's the fact that they were both being manipulated by Ursula.

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** ** Ariel is frequently criticized for entering the deal with Ursula. A lot of the critics feel criticisms miss the fact that the film doesn't do a good enough job of portraying portrays it as a bad thing - and miss the there's emphasis on the fact that Ursula is waiting until Ariel is in a particularly vulnerable moment to strike.
** Ariel will also never live down her choice to give up her fins, her family, and her whole world to be with a man she saw once and never spoke to. The fact that she ''already'' wanted to gain feet and join the human world ''long'' before she ever saw Eric is ignored/forgotten.
another point the criticisms fail to grasp.
* RonTheDeathEater: Being on two opposing sides of an issue, both Ariel and King Triton have people who ignore all faults in one while demonizing the other. Triton's detractors forget that he's a single parent trying to raise seven daughters, not to mention with and run an entire kingdom to run, kingdom, and that he immediately [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] his overreaction to Ariel's love for Eric. Ariel's meanwhile overlook the fact that she's just a sheltered teenager who, like many simply doesn't feel she fits in where she is and wants a life of her own. She also doesn't so much jump right into Ursula's deal as is pressured into it at a time when Triton's actions had left her hurt and vulnerable. Oh, and she, too clearly regrets the damage she caused. Of course, there's the fact that they were both being manipulated by Ursula.
10th Jan '17 1:07:24 PM TheNewBig
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** Is Ariel a good character/role model or a terrible one? Those who dislike her point to her being selfish, reckless, irresponsible, and too rebellious not to mention abandoning her life and entire family in order to have a slim chance to be with a man she's literally never even spoken to and has only met a single time. Her making a deal with [[BigBad Ursula]], who she knows to not be trustworthy and who readily admits to subjecting those who can't make their payments to a FateWorseThanDeath, was also quite foolish. It can indeed be argued that she is probably just sheltered and/or naive, but her actions wind up endangering a whole lot of people and not just herself. Others also don't like that she doesn't appear to learn anything from the ordeal. Fans of her praise her bravery and decisive attitude, feeling that she's good as a flawed protagonist rather than being too unrealistically perfect. They also argue that the film does frame some of her actions as wrong, and that she has to [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her happy ending]], ''big time''.

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** Is Ariel a good character/role model or a terrible one? Those who dislike her point to her being selfish, reckless, irresponsible, and too rebellious not to mention abandoning her life and entire family in order to have a slim chance to be with a man she's literally never even spoken to and has only met a single time. Her making a deal with [[BigBad Ursula]], who she knows to not be trustworthy and who readily admits to subjecting those who can't make their payments to a FateWorseThanDeath, was also quite foolish. It can indeed be argued that she is probably just sheltered and/or naive, but her actions wind up endangering a whole lot of people and not just herself. Others also don't like that she doesn't appear to learn anything from the ordeal. Fans of her praise her bravery and decisive attitude, feeling that she's good as a flawed protagonist rather than being too unrealistically perfect. They also argue make the arguments that the film does frame some of her actions doesn't portray the deal as wrong, a good thing, but an understandable mistake in a vulnerable moment and that she has to [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her happy ending]], ''big time''.



** Ariel is frequently criticized for entering the deal with Ursula. A lot of the critics feel the film doesn't do a good enough job of portraying it as a bad thing - and probably miss the emphasis on Ursula waiting until Ariel is in a particularly vulnerable moment to strike.
** Ariel will also never live down her choice to give up her fins, her family, and her whole world to be with a man she saw once and never spoke to. The fact that she ''already'' wanted to gain feet and join the human world ''long'' before she ever saw Eric doesn't factor into the flak she gets.
* RonTheDeathEater: Being on two opposing sides of an issue, both Ariel and King Triton have people who ignore all faults in one while demonizing the other. [[RuleofCautiousEditingJudgement Best leave it at that.]]

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** Ariel is frequently criticized for entering the deal with Ursula. A lot of the critics feel the film doesn't do a good enough job of portraying it as a bad thing - and probably miss the emphasis on Ursula waiting until Ariel is in a particularly vulnerable moment to strike.
** Ariel will also never live down her choice to give up her fins, her family, and her whole world to be with a man she saw once and never spoke to. The fact that she ''already'' wanted to gain feet and join the human world ''long'' before she ever saw Eric doesn't factor into the flak she gets.
is ignored/forgotten.
* RonTheDeathEater: Being on two opposing sides of an issue, both Ariel and King Triton have people who ignore all faults in one while demonizing the other. [[RuleofCautiousEditingJudgement Best leave Triton's detractors forget that he's a single parent trying to raise seven daughters, not to mention with an entire kingdom to run, and that he immediately [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] his overreaction to Ariel's love for Eric. Ariel's meanwhile overlook the fact that she's just a sheltered teenager who, like many simply doesn't feel she fits in where she is and wants a life of her own. She also doesn't so much jump right into Ursula's deal as is pressured into it at that.]]a time when Triton's actions had left her hurt and vulnerable. Oh, and she, too clearly regrets the damage she caused. Of course, there's the fact that they were both being manipulated by Ursula.



** Ariel herself [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA-eyG7lUv8 often gets this]] for making a deal with Ursula. Yes, trust the ObviouslyEvil WickedWitch who tells BlatantLies about being MostDefinitelyNotAVillain while she proceeds to KickTheDog (taunting her polyp garden, "the tortured souls of her victims in her front yard") right in front of you and assigns a near-ImpossibleTask wherein [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty she owns your soul if you lose]], Ariel. Surely, this woman has nothing but honorable intentions. ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXaeH0R0Rzg In a deleted scene]], Sebastian even warns Ariel not to be "stupid" by taking the DealWithTheDevil.) Sure, Ariel's upset because her dad just blew up her treasures, but ''still''...
8th Jan '17 11:21:54 AM SeptimusHeap
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* FreudWasRight:
** The original VHS cover... oh, the grief that one (just ''one'') of the coral spires on Triton's castle caused...
** Ariel gasping for breath once reaching the surface after being changed into a human is very orgasmic-looking.
3rd Jan '17 5:47:59 AM Prinzenick
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** Creator/MariahCarey's lip sync gaffe at the 2016 New Years celebration has led to people joking that Ursula stole her voice.
27th Dec '16 11:54:52 AM Give1Take2
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* NeverLiveItDown: Ariel is frequently criticized for entering the deal with Ursula. A lot of the criticisms miss the fact that the film portrays it as a bad thing - and there's emphasis on the fact that Ursula is waiting until Ariel is in a particularly vulnerable moment to strike.

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* NeverLiveItDown: NeverLiveItDown:
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Ariel is frequently criticized for entering the deal with Ursula. A lot of the criticisms miss the fact that critics feel the film portrays doesn't do a good enough job of portraying it as a bad thing - and there's probably miss the emphasis on the fact that Ursula is waiting until Ariel is in a particularly vulnerable moment to strike. strike.
** Ariel will also never live down her choice to give up her fins, her family, and her whole world to be with a man she saw once and never spoke to. The fact that she ''already'' wanted to gain feet and join the human world ''long'' before she ever saw Eric doesn't factor into the flak she gets.



** In a meta sense, Ariel is often thrown in with other "girly" DisneyPrincesses (like Snow White and Cinerella) as an example of being a being a poor role model to little girls, often unfairly compared to the more "badass" TomboyPrincesses like Mulan and Merida. Because RealWomenNeverWearDresses, apparently.

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** In a meta sense, Ariel is often thrown in with other "girly" DisneyPrincesses (like DisneyPrincesses, like Snow White and Cinerella) Cinerella, as an example of being a being a poor role model to little girls, girls; often unfairly compared to the more "badass" TomboyPrincesses like Mulan and Merida. Because RealWomenNeverWearDresses, apparently.
26th Dec '16 6:49:08 PM Give1Take2
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The film doesn't even bother to delve into Ariel's character at the third arc of the movie and how the experience has changed her ([[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation if it changes her at all]]). One of the most criticized aspects of the movie about her shallowness could have easily been fixed by showing how sorry she was at her action that almost cost Triton his kingdom. A scene where Ariel apologises to Triton after Ursula's defeat was storyboarded, but deleted from the finished film. There is a moment where she tells Triton that she's sorry and didn't know what she was getting herself into (a claim that many viewers find questionable given how ObviouslyEvil Ursula is)... but she's cut off before she can say too much more, making it less satisfying than a full scene would be.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The film doesn't even bother to delve into Ariel's character at the third arc of the movie and how the experience has changed her ([[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation if it changes her at all]]). One of the most criticized aspects of the movie about her shallowness could have easily been fixed by showing how sorry she was at her action that almost cost Triton his kingdom. A scene where Ariel apologises to Triton after Ursula's defeat was storyboarded, but deleted from the finished film. There is a moment where she tells Triton that she's sorry and didn't know what she was getting herself into (a claim that many viewers find questionable given how ObviouslyEvil Ursula is)...into... but she's cut off before she can say too much more, making it less satisfying than a full scene would be.



* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: People love to throw up the "Ariel is a stupid bitch and a bad role model for little girls who THROWS HER LIFE AWAY FOR A GUY" pseudo-reason, without bothering to dwell into her reasons and psyche (she already wanted to see the human world, Eric was mostly the push she needed to take the decision to go there, Ursula was doing some pushing of her own in a particularly vulnerable moment for Ariel, etc). Apparently a woman isn't allowed to fall in romantic love ''ever'', specially if it's a teenage girl with next-to-none real life experience!
** The "feminist" Ariel bashing can also cross into straightforward SlutShaming [[http://www.nerve.com/entertainment/ranked/ranked-disney-princesses-from-least-to-most-feminist because apparently "you aren't empowered enough if you wear a seashell bikini"]].

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* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: People Being a non-action girl whose main motivation is becoming human to be with her prince, many people love to throw up the yell, "Ariel is a stupid bitch and a bad role model for little girls who THROWS HER LIFE AWAY FOR A GUY" pseudo-reason, GUY!" without bothering stopping to dwell into her reasons and psyche (she realize that she already wanted to see the human world, Eric was mostly the final push she needed to take make the decision to go there, Ursula was doing some pushing of her own in a particularly vulnerable moment for Ariel, etc). etc. Apparently a woman isn't allowed to fall in romantic love ''ever'', specially if it's ''ever''; nor is romantic love allowed to be a teenage girl with next-to-none real life experience!
partial motivation to do something she wanted to do anyway. She also gets a lot of flak for needing to be rescued by Eric at the end, even though she had saved him twice before that.
** The Many "feminist" Ariel bashing Ariel-bashing can also cross into straightforward SlutShaming SlutShaming, a la [[http://www.nerve.com/entertainment/ranked/ranked-disney-princesses-from-least-to-most-feminist because apparently "you aren't empowered enough if you wear a seashell bikini"]].



* WhatAnIdiot: Ariel somehow forgetting the concert was that day is a little believable. What raises eyebrows however is that none of the other concert personnel reminded her at all. Or that her sisters - who are visibly shocked that Ariel isn't there - didn't at least check to make sure she was in her position on the stage. Sebastian really deserved the embarrassment he got for allowing such a mistake to happen.
** There is also the whole deal with Ursula. Triton *knew* she was a powerful witch with a serious grudge against the merfolk... and he banished her as opposed to having her executed. [[SarcasmMode This surely won't have any repercussions in any way.]]

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** In a meta sense, Ariel is often thrown in with other "girly" DisneyPrincesses (like Snow White and Cinerella) as an example of being a being a poor role model to little girls, often unfairly compared to the more "badass" TomboyPrincesses like Mulan and Merida. Because RealWomenNeverWearDresses, apparently.
* WhatAnIdiot: Ariel somehow forgetting the concert was that day is a little believable. What raises eyebrows however is that none of the other concert personnel seem to have reminded her at all. Or that her sisters - who are visibly shocked that Ariel isn't there - didn't at least check to make sure she was in her position on the stage. Sebastian really deserved the embarrassment he got for allowing such a mistake to happen.
** There is also the whole deal with Ursula. Triton *knew* '''knew''' she was a powerful witch with a serious grudge against the merfolk... and he banished her as opposed to having her executed. [[SarcasmMode This surely won't have any repercussions in any way.]]
26th Dec '16 5:47:43 PM Give1Take2
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Ursula gets this sometimes. You can see comments on Youtube videos taking about how she clearly explained the deal to Ariel, and how Ariel was stupid for taking it. While Ariel was being naive (if reluctant), fans are forgetting that Ursula's goal was to rule the ocean. This is also forgetting that Ursula's ''raison d'etre'' is to catch people at the very moment when they're prone to making rash decisions, such as being emotionally shattered in Ariel's case, and also in her case, makes some non-too-subtle implications about the deal being a limited-time offer. Oh, and her standard method of business is actively sabotaging the deals she makes if it looks like they might fulfill on their end.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Ursula gets this sometimes. You can sometimes, for a variety of reasons. Sometimes because EvilIsSexy. Some (mistakenly) see comments on Youtube videos taking about how she clearly explained the deal to Ariel, her as an [[https://reelclub.wordpress.com/2014/06/08/part-of-that-world-alpha-females-patriarchy-and-punishment-in-the-little-mermaid/ unfairly villified feminist icon]] because she's confident, intelligent, happily single, powerful, and how Ariel her motivation is political power (like any male villain) rather than just [[VainSorceress conventional good looks]] or a man (as most female villains tend to be). Still others see her unconventionally sexy design (which was stupid for taking it. While Ariel was inspired by a real DragQueen) as making her a [[https://mic.com/articles/146188/the-untold-story-of-ursula-disney-s-first-and-only-plus-size-style-icon#.nE0LgBKQj plus size-positive and/or LGBTQ+ icon]]. Also, given that [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation some fans see Triton as an outright tyrant]] (and [[{{Fanon}} Ursula as his sister]]), some fans like to paint her being naive (if reluctant), TheExile as a victim of Triton's tyranny. Reasons run amuck, but the end result is a lot of fans are forgetting that like to squeeze Ursula's goal was to rule the ocean. This is also forgetting that Ursula's ''raison d'etre'' is to catch people at the very moment when they're prone to making rash decisions, such as being emotionally shattered in Ariel's case, and also in her case, makes tentacles into some non-too-subtle implications about the deal being a limited-time offer. Oh, and her standard method of business is actively sabotaging the deals she makes if it looks like they might fulfill on their end.sexy leather pants.



* RonTheDeathEater: Being on two opposing sides of an issue, both Ariel and King Triton have people who ignore all faults in one while demonizing the other. Triton's detractors forget that he's a single parent trying to raise seven daughters, not to mention with an entire kingdom to run, and that he immediately [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] his overreaction to Ariel's love for Eric. Ariel's meanwhile overlook the fact that she's just a sheltered teenager who, like many simply doesn't feel she fits in where she is and wants a life of her own. She also doesn't so much jump right into Ursula's deal as is pressured into it at a time when Triton's actions had left her hurt and vulnerable. Oh, and she, too clearly regrets the damage she caused. - not to mention that they were both being manipulated by Ursula.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Being on two opposing sides of an issue, both Ariel and King Triton have people who ignore all faults in one while demonizing the other. Triton's detractors forget that he's a single parent trying to raise seven daughters, not to mention with an entire kingdom to run, and that he immediately [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] his overreaction to Ariel's love for Eric. Ariel's meanwhile overlook the fact that she's just a sheltered teenager who, like many simply doesn't feel she fits in where she is and wants a life of her own. She also doesn't so much jump right into Ursula's deal as is pressured into [[RuleofCautiousEditingJudgement Best leave it at a time when Triton's actions had left her hurt and vulnerable. Oh, and she, too clearly regrets the damage she caused. - not to mention that they were both being manipulated by Ursula. that.]]



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The film doesn't even bother to delve into Ariel's character at the third arc of the movie and how the experience has changed her ([[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation if it changes her at all]]). One of the most criticized aspects of the movie about her shallowness could have easily been fixed by showing how sorry she was at her action that almost cost Triton his kingdom. A scene where Ariel apologises to Triton after Ursula's defeat was storyboarded, but deleted from the finished film. There is a moment where she tells Triton that she's sorry and didn't know what she was getting herself into[[note]]which many viewers find hard to believe considering how ObviouslyEvil Ursula is, and [[DevilInPlainSight how little she tries to hide her villainous agenda]] during her VillainSong[[//note]]... but she's cut off before she can say too much more, making it less satisfying than a full scene would be.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The film doesn't even bother to delve into Ariel's character at the third arc of the movie and how the experience has changed her ([[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation if it changes her at all]]). One of the most criticized aspects of the movie about her shallowness could have easily been fixed by showing how sorry she was at her action that almost cost Triton his kingdom. A scene where Ariel apologises to Triton after Ursula's defeat was storyboarded, but deleted from the finished film. There is a moment where she tells Triton that she's sorry and didn't know what she was getting herself into[[note]]which into (a claim that many viewers find hard to believe considering questionable given how ObviouslyEvil Ursula is, and [[DevilInPlainSight how little she tries to hide her villainous agenda]] during her VillainSong[[//note]]...is)... but she's cut off before she can say too much more, making it less satisfying than a full scene would be.



** Ariel herself for making a deal with Ursula--[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA-eyG7lUv8 notoriously so]]. Oh sure, trust the ObviouslyEvil WickedWitch who tells BlatantLies about being MostDefinitelyNotAVillain while she proceeds to KickTheDog (taunting her polyp garden, "the tortured souls of her victims in her front yard") right in front of you and assigns a near-ImpossibleTask wherein [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty she owns your soul if you lose]], Ariel. Surely, this woman has nothing but honorable intentions. ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXaeH0R0Rzg In a deleted scene]], Sebastian even warns Ariel not to be "stupid" by taking the DealWithTheDevil.) Sure, Ariel's upset because her dad blew up her treasures, but ''still''...

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** Ariel herself for making a deal with Ursula--[[https://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA-eyG7lUv8 notoriously so]]. Oh sure, often gets this]] for making a deal with Ursula. Yes, trust the ObviouslyEvil WickedWitch who tells BlatantLies about being MostDefinitelyNotAVillain while she proceeds to KickTheDog (taunting her polyp garden, "the tortured souls of her victims in her front yard") right in front of you and assigns a near-ImpossibleTask wherein [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty she owns your soul if you lose]], Ariel. Surely, this woman has nothing but honorable intentions. ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXaeH0R0Rzg In a deleted scene]], Sebastian even warns Ariel not to be "stupid" by taking the DealWithTheDevil.) Sure, Ariel's upset because her dad just blew up her treasures, but ''still''...
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