History YMMV / TheLittleMermaid

29th Sep '16 10:23:01 PM Sayacha
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** Is Ariel a good character/role model or a terrible one? Those who dislike her point to her being selfish, reckless and too rebellious - not to mention abandoning her life in order to find a man. Others also don't like that she doesn't appear to learn anything from the ordeal. Fans of her praise her bravery, and decisive attitude - feeling that she's good as a flawed protagonist, rather than being too unrealistically perfect. They also argue that the film does frame some of her actions as wrong.

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** Is Ariel a good character/role model or a terrible one? Those who dislike her point to her being selfish, reckless reckless, irresponsible, and too rebellious - not to mention abandoning her life and entire family in order to find have a man.slim chance to be with a man she's literally never even spoken to and has only met a single time. Her making a deal with [[BigBad Ursula]], who she knows to not be trustworthy and who readily admits to subjecting those who can't make their payments to a FateWorseThanDeath, was also quite foolish. It can indeed be argued that she is probably just sheltered and/or naive, but her actions wind up endangering a whole lot of people and not just herself. Others also don't like that she doesn't appear to learn anything from the ordeal. Fans of her praise her bravery, bravery and decisive attitude - attitude, feeling that she's good as a flawed protagonist, protagonist rather than being too unrealistically perfect. They also argue that the film does frame some of her actions as wrong.wrong, and that she has to [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her happy ending]], ''big time''.
28th Sep '16 7:02:29 AM Prinzenick
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* AmericansHateTingle: Despite being well liked elsewhere, the Disney adaptation is not well liked by Danish folk, mainly because of it abandoning the moral of the original story.
19th Sep '16 4:19:02 AM SorPepita
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The film doesn't even bother to delve into Ariel's character at the third arc of the movie and how the experience has changed her. One of the most criticized aspect of the movie about her shallowness could have easily been fixed by showing how sorry she was at her action that almost cost Triton his kingdom. A scene where Ariel apologises to Triton after Ursula's defeat was storyboarded, but deleted from the finished film. There is a moment where she tells Triton that she's sorry and didn't know what she was getting herself into...but she's cut off before she can say too much more, leaving it ambiguous as to whether she's really sorry at all.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The film doesn't even bother to delve into Ariel's character at the third arc of the movie and how the experience has changed her. One of the most criticized aspect aspects of the movie about her shallowness could have easily been fixed by showing how sorry she was at her action that almost cost Triton his kingdom. A scene where Ariel apologises to Triton after Ursula's defeat was storyboarded, but deleted from the finished film. There is a moment where she tells Triton that she's sorry and didn't know what she was getting herself into... but she's cut off before she can say too much more, leaving it ambiguous as to whether she's really sorry at all.



** There is also the whole deal with Ursula. Triton *knew* she was a powerful witch...and he banished her as opposed to having her executed. [[SarcasmMode This surely won't have any repercussions in any way.]]

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** There is also the whole deal with Ursula. Triton *knew* she was a powerful witch... and he banished her as opposed to having her executed. [[SarcasmMode This surely won't have any repercussions in any way.]]
19th Sep '16 4:06:33 AM SorPepita
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* {{Narm}}: The scene where Sebastian has his HeelRealization and agrees to help Ariel find Eric, is a fairly heartwarming moment.... but when you remember that Ariel is essentially standing there mostly naked, the scene does come off as seeming a bit silly.

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* {{Narm}}: The scene where Sebastian has his HeelRealization and agrees to help Ariel find Eric, is a fairly heartwarming moment....moment... but when you remember that Ariel is essentially standing there mostly naked, the scene does come off as seeming a bit silly.
19th Sep '16 4:00:20 AM SorPepita
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** Vanessa, a villainous split personality of [[BigBad Ursula]], is voiced by Creator/JodiBenson. In the English dub of ''VideoGame/GrandiaII'', Jodi Benson voices Millenia, a villainous split personality.

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** Vanessa, a villainous split personality of [[BigBad Ursula]], is voiced by Creator/JodiBenson.Jodi Benson. In the English dub of ''VideoGame/GrandiaII'', Jodi Benson voices Millenia, a villainous split personality.
19th Sep '16 3:59:52 AM SorPepita
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** Ariel gasping for breath once reaching the surface after being changed into a human is very orgasmic-looking

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** Ariel gasping for breath once reaching the surface after being changed into a human is very orgasmic-lookingorgasmic-looking.
19th Sep '16 3:56:31 AM SorPepita
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: The movie seems a bit like a paint-by-numbers Disney flick these days. Literally everything about it was new and groundbreaking at the time. Merging a fairy tale with Broadway elements? This was the first film to really popularize that formula. So numerous animated films these days owe their existence to this one. And in a form of meta EarlyInstalmentWeirdness, Ursula in her initial scenes delivers a very theatrical monologue that's LeaningOnTheFourthWall, which doesn't happen in any of the other Renaissance movies.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: The movie seems a bit like a paint-by-numbers Disney flick these days. Literally everything about it was new and groundbreaking at the time. Merging a fairy tale with Broadway elements? This was the first film to really popularize that formula. So numerous animated films these days owe their existence to this one. And in a form of meta EarlyInstalmentWeirdness, EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, Ursula in her initial scenes delivers a very theatrical monologue that's LeaningOnTheFourthWall, which doesn't happen in any of the other Renaissance movies.



* UncannyValley: The goldfish in the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U02f4LL1R9o opening of the film's 1998 VHS release]] featuring Jodi Benson. The [=CGI=] aged...badly, to say the least, and the fishes' voices don't help.

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* UncannyValley: The goldfish in the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U02f4LL1R9o opening of the film's 1998 VHS release]] featuring Jodi Benson. The [=CGI=] aged... badly, to say the least, and the fishes' voices don't help.
19th Sep '16 3:55:27 AM SorPepita
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** The original VHS cover...oh, the grief that one (just ''one'') of the coral spires on Triton's castle caused...

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** The original VHS cover... oh, the grief that one (just ''one'') of the coral spires on Triton's castle caused...
19th Sep '16 3:53:23 AM SorPepita
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* BrokenBase: Who is the oldest sibling: Aquata or Attina? Aquata was originally the heir however the third movie puts Attina as the oldest. Fans differ on which they prefer.

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* BrokenBase: Who is the oldest sibling: Aquata or Attina? Aquata was originally the heir heir, however the third movie puts Attina as the oldest. Fans differ on which they prefer.
7th Sep '16 8:28:42 AM fearlessnikki
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** Is Ariel a good character/role model or a terrible one?

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** Is Ariel a good character/role model or a terrible one?one? Those who dislike her point to her being selfish, reckless and too rebellious - not to mention abandoning her life in order to find a man. Others also don't like that she doesn't appear to learn anything from the ordeal. Fans of her praise her bravery, and decisive attitude - feeling that she's good as a flawed protagonist, rather than being too unrealistically perfect. They also argue that the film does frame some of her actions as wrong.



* FandomRivalry: Ariel is often compared (sometimes unfavourably) to the Disney protagonists that came after her. Belle from ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' is the most common, Belle usually being held up as a better feminist role model. If a debate about whether Ariel is feminist or not comes up, she's usually compared to Belle in some way. This has gone the other way in recent years, as Belle has gotten a backlash from some fans who feel she is too perfect - the Blog/UnshavedMouse in particular preferring Ariel because she was flawed. It's also been pointed out that {{Disney/Pocahontas}} gets compared to [[Disney/TheLionKing Simba]] for the reverse reasons that Belle and Ariel are compared; Pocahontas being too perfect and Simba being flawed. Simba is praised for his flaws, while Ariel is criticised for hers.



* RonTheDeathEater: Being on two opposing sides of an issue, both Ariel and King Triton have people who ignore all faults in one while demonizing the other.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: The movie seems a bit like a paint-by-numbers Disney flick these days. Literally everything about it was new and groundbreaking at the time. Merging a fairy tale with Broadway elements? This was the first film to really popularize that formula. So numerous animated films these days owe their existence to this one. Another element from this one, that its successor ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' missed: the musical elements were sort of justified in-universe: one of the main characters is a concert composer and Ariel's singing voice is a plot point. Ursula also delivers a very theatre-inspired monologue in her first scenes, something which the later Disney villains didn't do.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Being on two opposing sides of an issue, both Ariel and King Triton have people who ignore all faults in one while demonizing the other.
other. Triton's detractors forget that he's a single parent trying to raise seven daughters, not to mention with an entire kingdom to run, and that he immediately [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] his overreaction to Ariel's love for Eric. Ariel's meanwhile overlook the fact that she's just a teenager with a rocky relationship with her father - not to mention that they were both being manipulated by Ursula.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: The movie seems a bit like a paint-by-numbers Disney flick these days. Literally everything about it was new and groundbreaking at the time. Merging a fairy tale with Broadway elements? This was the first film to really popularize that formula. So numerous animated films these days owe their existence to this one. Another element from this one, that its successor ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' missed: the musical elements were sort And in a form of justified in-universe: one of the main characters is a concert composer and Ariel's singing voice is a plot point. meta EarlyInstalmentWeirdness, Ursula also in her initial scenes delivers a very theatre-inspired theatrical monologue in her first scenes, something that's LeaningOnTheFourthWall, which doesn't happen in any of the later Disney villains didn't do.other Renaissance movies.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The film doesn't even bother to delve into Ariel's character at the third arc of the movie and how the experience has changed her. One of the most criticized aspect of the movie about her shallowness could have easily been fixed by showing how sorry she was at her action that almost cost Triton his kingdom.
** A scene where Ariel apologises to Triton after Ursula's defeat was storyboarded, but deleted from the finished film.
** There is a moment where she tells Triton that she's sorry and didn't know what she was getting herself into...but it sounds less like a sincere apology and more like she's trying to get out of trouble.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The film doesn't even bother to delve into Ariel's character at the third arc of the movie and how the experience has changed her. One of the most criticized aspect of the movie about her shallowness could have easily been fixed by showing how sorry she was at her action that almost cost Triton his kingdom.
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kingdom. A scene where Ariel apologises to Triton after Ursula's defeat was storyboarded, but deleted from the finished film.
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film. There is a moment where she tells Triton that she's sorry and didn't know what she was getting herself into...but it sounds less like a sincere apology and more like she's trying cut off before she can say too much more, leaving it ambiguous as to get out whether she's really sorry at all.
* UnbuiltTrope: As the first proper Disney-Broadway film, that so many {{Animated Musical}}s have been inspired by, it's surprising to see that the musical elements are at least justified in-universe. A supporting character is a concert composer and he's responsible for some
of trouble.the film's more splashy numbers. The heroine having a beautiful singing voice is also a plot point - and it's exploited by the villain.
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