History YMMV / TheLionKing

19th Apr '17 1:03:51 AM SamMax
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* TheyJustDidntCare: The NES version, as noted under PortingDisaster above; the fact that a ''pirate company's'' NES version turned out superior to the official release pretty much proves this.

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* TheyJustDidntCare: The NES version, as noted under PortingDisaster above; the fact that a ''pirate company's'' NES version turned out superior to the official release pretty much proves this.
19th Apr '17 1:02:08 AM SamMax
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** As above, the [[NoExportForYou Europe-exclusive]] NES port was a port of the Game Boy version. Despite limited colour, it had sluggish and delayed controls. Physics and jumping precision were also non existent in this version. To make things worse, the box cover says ten levels. The game itself only has six, meaning the Adult Simba levels were either glitchy or they didn't bother to program it in. It's quite telling that when pirate companies made their own NES version, while it was still an ObviousBeta, it was still far superior to the official NES release.

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** As above, the [[NoExportForYou Europe-exclusive]] NES port was a port of the Game Boy version. Despite limited colour, it had sluggish and delayed controls. Physics and jumping precision were also non existent in this version. To make things worse, the box cover says ten levels. The game itself only has six, meaning the Adult Simba levels were either glitchy or they didn't bother to program it in. It's quite telling that when pirate companies made their own NES version, version that, while it was still an ObviousBeta, it was still nonetheless far superior to the official NES release.




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* TheyJustDidntCare: The NES version, as noted under PortingDisaster above; the fact that a ''pirate company's'' NES version turned out superior to the official release pretty much proves this.
16th Apr '17 10:22:38 AM Tightwire
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** The hyenas. Nazis banished for breaking the laws of the Circle of Life, or the oppressed underdogs just looking for food? Their apparent poverty and Scar's manipulation of it is just another eerie parallel to the Third Reich and the duped German population.
*** The way the hyenas are segregated into a wasteland and not allowed to coexist with the "higher" race (Pridelanders) can eerily be compared to how human minorities were treated during the Jim Crow era. Not only that, but the movie treats this FantasticRacism ''[[UnfortunateImplications in a positive light]]'', which makes it uncomfortable to watch for some. Thankfully, Disney became aware of this later on, which is why a good hyena, Jasiri, was introduced [[WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard later in the franchise]].
*** The documentary Mickey Mouse Monopoly pointed this out.
*** Also, Shenzi, Banzai, and Ed - friends, or family? Another alternate interpretation is who the true leader of the TerribleTrio is. Most tend to believe that it's Shenzi due to the fact that female hyenas are usually the pack leaders. However, some theorize that Ed is the true leader given that Shenzi and Banzai usually turn to Ed last for the final say.

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** The hyenas. Nazis Were they really banished for breaking the laws of not respecting the Circle of Life, or the Life? They think of themselves as being oppressed underdogs just looking for food? underdogs, and in real life they're very real competition with lions in the food chain. Their apparent poverty and Scar's manipulation of it is just another eerie parallel to the Third Reich and the duped German population.
*** The way the hyenas are segregated into a wasteland and not allowed to coexist with the "higher" race (Pridelanders) can eerily be compared to how human minorities were treated during the Jim Crow era. Not only that, but the movie treats this FantasticRacism ''[[UnfortunateImplications in a positive light]]'', which makes it uncomfortable to watch for some. Thankfully, Disney became aware of this later on, which is why a good hyena, Jasiri, was introduced [[WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard later in the franchise]].
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population. The documentary Mickey Mouse Monopoly pointed this out.
*** Also, ** Shenzi, Banzai, and Ed - friends, or family? Another alternate interpretation is It's almost a 50/50 split. Other combinations include Shenzi, the alpha female, with Banzai being her alpha male and Ed his brother who hangs around with him. A Lion King comic even included a puzzle that involved working out the true leader ages of the TerribleTrio is. Most tend to believe that it's hyenas - Banzai and Ed are 2 years old, while Shenzi due to the fact that female hyenas are usually the pack leaders. However, some theorize that Ed is the true leader given that Shenzi and Banzai usually turn to Ed last for the final say.3 years old.
11th Apr '17 8:44:54 AM MelancholyUtopia
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** The German dub is superbly cast (Thomas Fritsch as Scar, Joachim Kaps as Rafiki, Eberhard Prüter as Zazu and Ilja Richter as Timon are notable standouts), and the songs are very well translated.

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** The German dub is superbly cast (Thomas Fritsch as Scar, Joachim Kaps as Rafiki, Eberhard Prüter Pruumlter as Zazu and Ilja Richter as Timon are notable standouts), and the songs are very well translated. translated.
** Timon and Pumbaa are absolutely adored in the Swedish dub, courtesy of being voiced by two guys part of a famous national comedy group named "Galenskaparna & After Shave" [[note]] For those curious, it's basically the Swedish equivalent of Creator/MontyPython but with a lot more singing in it. [[/note]] In fact, when Timon's VA died in 1997, most of the Swedish-speaking fandom would never accept TheOtherDarrin as the true Timon. Adult!Simba is also considered a far superior VA to the original.
1st Apr '17 8:26:05 AM Rm1993
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* ''YMMV/TimonAndPumbaa''
23rd Mar '17 12:45:23 PM Chris116
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* EpilepticTrees: Some fans are speculating that, much like [=LeFou=] in the 2017 remake of ''[[Film/BeautyAndTheBeast2017 Beauty and the Beast]]'', Timon and Pumbaa's HoYay will be averted and the characters will be an outright gay couple in the upcoming live-action remake.



* HoYay: Timon and Pumbaa become huge HoYay targets during the film and the future appearances they would make afterwards. First off, they are mostly seen together. They also live together and travel together wherever they go. They also decide to raise a child together with that child being the lion cub Simba. This also may not count due to it not making it through the final cut of the film, but a deleted scene was supposed to have Pumbaa snuggling up next to Timon with Timon feeling a bit uncomfortable about it.

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* HoYay: Timon and Pumbaa become huge HoYay targets during the film and the future appearances they would make afterwards. First off, they are mostly seen together. They also live together and travel together wherever they go. They also decide to raise a child together with that child being the lion cub Simba. This also may not count due to it not making it through the final cut of the film, but a deleted scene was supposed to have Pumbaa snuggling up next to Timon with Timon feeling a bit uncomfortable about it. For what it's worth, their actors consider them a gay couple.
12th Mar '17 12:29:40 PM Pichu-kun
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** There are more than a few people who view Scar as an AmbiguouslyGay DepravedHomosexual, due to his lack of a mate and somewhat effeminate manner. The Broadway play seems to play this up to extreme levels. Scar goes from scary angry dude to Paul Lynde turned psychopath, which is still scary. This is ironic since a deleted scene shows Scar choosing [[{{Squick}} a grown up Nala as his mate]] and seeming rather disturbingly excited about making "little Scars" with her. So maybe more of a DepravedBisexual?

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** There are more than a few people who view Scar as an AmbiguouslyGay DepravedHomosexual, due to his lack of a mate and somewhat effeminate manner. The Broadway play seems to play this up to extreme levels. Scar goes from scary angry dude to Paul Lynde turned psychopath, which is still scary. This is ironic since a deleted scene (which was re-added for the musical) shows Scar choosing [[{{Squick}} a grown up Nala as his mate]] and seeming rather disturbingly excited about making "little Scars" with her. So maybe more of a DepravedBisexual?



* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywjX6AF6oVc I Just Can't Wait to be King]]" scene (which also counts as a DisneyAcidSequence) and the scene where Timon does the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN1ujKFjxnc hula]]. {{Justified|Trope}} in that they were both meant to be distractions. The first one does get a brief callback later during Simba and Nala's reunion.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: BigLippedAlligatorMoment:
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The "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywjX6AF6oVc I Just Can't Wait to be King]]" scene (which also counts as a DisneyAcidSequence) and the scene where Timon does the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN1ujKFjxnc hula]]. {{Justified|Trope}} in that they were both meant to be distractions. The first one does get a brief callback later during Simba and Nala's reunion.



* {{Fanon}}:
** Simba and Nala's son from ''Six New Adventures'', Kopa. You occasionally see other cubs like "Tanabi" (due to a random Disney employee saying their cub was a boy named that) or "Chaka" and "Shani" (from an early version of the sequels script; Chaka was dropped and Shani became Kiara).
** Nala having a younger brother named Mheetu because he was a deleted character. It's usually interpreted he died sometime during Scar's reign.
** Nala and Simba being cousins. It was canon in a very early build on the film (they were both Mufasa's cubs so it made them siblings too) but in the final product it's not confirmed who Nala's father is.

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* {{Fanon}}:
** Simba and Nala's son from ''Six New Adventures'', Kopa. You occasionally see other cubs like "Tanabi" (due to a random Disney employee saying their cub was a boy named that) or "Chaka" and "Shani" (from an early version of the sequels script; Chaka was dropped and Shani became Kiara).
** Nala having a younger brother named Mheetu because he was a deleted character. It's usually interpreted he died sometime during Scar's reign.
** Nala and Simba being cousins. It was canon in a very early build on the film (they were both Mufasa's cubs so it made them siblings too) but in the final product it's not confirmed who Nala's father is.
{{Fanon}}: Has [[Fanon/TheLionKing its own page]].



* HoYay: Timon and Pumbaa become huge HoYay targets during the film and the future appearances they would make afterwards. First off, they are mostly seen together. They also live together and travel together wherever they go. They also decide to raise a child together with that child being the lion cub Simba. This also may not count due to it not making it through the final cut of the film but a deleted scene was supposed to have Pumbaa snuggling up next to Timon with Timon feeling a bit uncomfortable about it.

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* HoYay: Timon and Pumbaa become huge HoYay targets during the film and the future appearances they would make afterwards. First off, they are mostly seen together. They also live together and travel together wherever they go. They also decide to raise a child together with that child being the lion cub Simba. This also may not count due to it not making it through the final cut of the film film, but a deleted scene was supposed to have Pumbaa snuggling up next to Timon with Timon feeling a bit uncomfortable about it.



*** Kovu, for that matter. Is he Scar's son like the original plan was? Is he some random lion Scar adopted as his heir? Or was he just a cub Zira took in and brainwashed into thinking he was Scar's son for her own personal gain? No two fans will fully agree on the answer. WordOfGod has written out Kovu being Zira's son, and while that will certainly be debatable to the fans, it certainly makes option 3 the most likely if you take into account Kovu's age along with Zira's age.

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*** ** Kovu, for that matter. Is he Scar's son like the original plan was? Is he some random lion Scar adopted as his heir? Or was he just a cub Zira took in and brainwashed into thinking he was Scar's son for her own personal gain? Or is he Zira'a biological son with a lion that wasn't Scar? Is Kovu biologically related to Vitani and Nuka or not? No two fans will fully agree on the answer. WordOfGod has written out Kovu being Zira's son, and while that will certainly be debatable to the fans, it certainly makes option 3 the most likely if you take into account Kovu's age along with Zira's age.



* {{Misblamed}}: To a degree, Scar. His poor skills as a ruler didn't destroy the trees or dry up the water, and it's pretty apparent the region was suffering from a drought. However, he also did a terrible job managing what limited resources were to be had and forced the pride to remain in the area instead of following the herds to less drought-stricken areas, effectively making a bad situation much worse.

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* {{Misblamed}}: {{Misblamed}}:
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To a degree, Scar. His poor skills as a ruler didn't destroy the trees or dry up the water, and it's pretty apparent the region was suffering from a drought. However, he also did a terrible job managing what limited resources were to be had and forced the pride to remain in the area instead of following the herds to less drought-stricken areas, effectively making a bad situation much worse.



** "Simba"'s name just [[ADogNamedDog means "lion"]]. It is [[OneMarioLimit probably not going to be used much anymore]], but prior to the film's release it wasn't uncommon to see lions in fiction with this name. For example, the 80s cartoon ''WesternAnimation/{{Jem}}'' had one episode featuring a lion named "Simba" .



* SignatureSong: "Hakuna Matata" is currently the most famous song from the movie, but "Circle of Life" and "Can You Feel The Love Tonight" are well remembered as well.
** All three were nominated for the 1994 Academy Award for Best Original Song. "Can You Feel the Love Tonight" won it.
* SuperlativeDubbing: Timon and Pumbaa seem to have less of a BaseBreakingCharacter status in certain other countries (some examples being the French, Norwegian and Polish dub) as people have noted their voices to be "less annoying" than the English.

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* SignatureSong: "Hakuna Matata" is currently the most famous song from the movie, but "Circle of Life" and "Can You Feel The Love Tonight" are well remembered as well. \n** All three were nominated for the 1994 Academy Award for Best Original Song. "Can You Feel the Love Tonight" won it.
* SuperlativeDubbing: SuperlativeDubbing:
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Timon and Pumbaa seem to have less of a BaseBreakingCharacter status in certain other countries (some examples being the French, Norwegian and Polish dub) as people have noted their voices to be "less annoying" than the English.



* PortingDisaster: As above, the [[NoExportForYou Europe-exclusive]] NES port was a port of the Game Boy version. Despite limited colour, it had sluggish and delayed controls. Physics and jumping precision were also non existent in this version. To make things worse, the box cover says ten levels. The game itself only has six, meaning the Adult Simba levels were either glitchy or they didn't bother to program it in. It's quite telling that when pirate companies made their own NES version, while it was still an ObviousBeta, it was still far superior to the official NES release.

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* PortingDisaster: PortingDisaster:
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As above, the [[NoExportForYou Europe-exclusive]] NES port was a port of the Game Boy version. Despite limited colour, it had sluggish and delayed controls. Physics and jumping precision were also non existent in this version. To make things worse, the box cover says ten levels. The game itself only has six, meaning the Adult Simba levels were either glitchy or they didn't bother to program it in. It's quite telling that when pirate companies made their own NES version, while it was still an ObviousBeta, it was still far superior to the official NES release.



* HypeBacklash: 15+ years on, this show still regularly sells out in New York City, on tour, and in foreign sit-down productions (it's the only Disney show to truly become a blockbuster in London's West End). But with regards to the hardcore musical theatre fan community...it has a lot of haters on the Broadway.com message boards who think it's only worthwhile for the beautifully-staged "Circle of Life" number -- which is, of course, the first scene -- and nothing else. They chalk up its continued popularity to its LongRunners status giving the illusion of quality, package tour groups, families who won't expand their horizons to "real", non-corporate theatre, and foreign tourists who easily understand it. Because its popular, critical, and awards success (in particular beating ''Theatre/{{Ragtime}}'' for Best Musical at the 1998 Tony Awards, even though that show won the Book and Score awards) only encouraged more and more {{Screen To Stage Adaptation}}s, particularly of animated/family-friendly features as opposed to more sophisticated, adult fare, it's one of a handful of shows accused of turning musical theatre as a medium into a shell of its former self (other shows with similarly bitter reputations include the Andrew Lloyd Webber canon, ''Theatre/MammaMia'' and ''Wicked'', and to a lesser extent ''Theatre/TheProducers''). Oddly, the stage version of ''Beauty and the Beast'' proceeded this show by four years and received a much chillier critical reception at the time, but musical theatre fans are rather more forgiving of its long-running success even though it's arguably just as guilty of ''Lion King'''s perceived sins.

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* HypeBacklash: 15+ years on, this show still regularly sells out in New York City, on tour, and in foreign sit-down productions (it's the only Disney show to truly become a blockbuster in London's West End). But with regards to the hardcore musical theatre fan community... it has a lot of haters on the Broadway.com message boards who think it's only worthwhile for the beautifully-staged "Circle of Life" number -- which is, of course, the first scene -- and nothing else. They chalk up its continued popularity to its LongRunners status giving the illusion of quality, package tour groups, families who won't expand their horizons to "real", non-corporate theatre, and foreign tourists who easily understand it. Because its popular, critical, and awards success (in particular beating ''Theatre/{{Ragtime}}'' for Best Musical at the 1998 Tony Awards, even though that show won the Book and Score awards) only encouraged more and more {{Screen To Stage Adaptation}}s, particularly of animated/family-friendly features as opposed to more sophisticated, adult fare, it's one of a handful of shows accused of turning musical theatre as a medium into a shell of its former self (other shows with similarly bitter reputations include the Andrew Lloyd Webber canon, ''Theatre/MammaMia'' and ''Wicked'', and to a lesser extent ''Theatre/TheProducers''). Oddly, the stage version of ''Beauty and the Beast'' proceeded this show by four years and received a much chillier critical reception at the time, but musical theatre fans are rather more forgiving of its long-running success even though it's arguably just as guilty of ''Lion King'''s perceived sins.
3rd Mar '17 12:28:33 AM mlsmithca
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* SoCoolItsAwesome: The film is widely considered to be not only one of Disney's best animated features, but one of the greatest animated films ever made.



* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: There is much controversy (READ: FlameWar) over whether this film is a ripoff of ''Manga/KimbaTheWhiteLion'' or not.
** There are several differences, although there are many similarities. Here are the key differences in the narrative:
*** ''The Lion King'' lacks any human presence. In ''Kimba'', humans were often present [[HumansAreBastards as enemies]] like [[JerkAss Hamegg]], or simply as [[HumansAreFlawed unwittingly doing harm]].
*** In ''Kimba'', [[BigBad Claw]] is a rogue lion who wants to be king with two hyena minions, but is continually beaten down by Kimba after he attempts to take over the jungle when Hamegg kills Caesar. In ''The Lion King'', [[CaptainErsatz Scar]] is Mufasa's treacherous brother with three named hyena minions and hundreds more nameless ones, so he hatches a plan to become king by organizing the death of Mufasa and Simba. [[CaptainObvious He succeeds]] at killing Mufasa and scaring Simba away, and is a [[MagnificentBastard far]] more effective villain than Claw was. In addition, the hyenas in The Lion King were originally planned as African Wild Dogs - they were presumably changed either because African wild dogs aren't as well known as [[TheHyena hyenas]], or simply because hyenas [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute look more "evil"]].
*** Claw is a lot closer to Scar in the manga, managing to become the de facto leader of the jungle in Kimba's absence and dying after his and Kimba's first battle instead of hanging around to suffer VillainDecay. He does not however have his hyenas in the manga. Scar also shares many characteristics with Hamegg, being smug, flamboyant, having Nazi associations (in the manga [[spoiler: Hamegg is eventually revealed to have been a SS officer]]) and being the person who killed Kimba's father and sent him into exile. In the manga he is also [[spoiler: speared by Kimba when he is defeated by him just to be killed by Claw instead, like Simba spares Scar before he is killed by the hyenas]]. Hamegg however has HiddenDepths and a sympathetic side that Scar do not share.
*** In ''The Lion King'', the circle of life is used to get around CarnivoreConfusion. In ''Kimba'', Kimba decrees that the animals should only eat insects and plants and live in peace with each other; however, this causes quite a few problems, and Kimba has to learn the hard way that [[KnightInSourArmor Caesar]] was right about the animals.
*** ''The Lion King'' is about Simba accepting his responsibility as king in the archetypal [[TheHerosJourney Hero's Journey]]; ''Kimba'' deals with the titular character learning how to use his responsibility wisely '''after''' he's become a young king. Another key difference is that Simba is kind of a [[JerkAss prick]] when he's a little kid, and Kimba is TheWisePrince. In fact, Simba much more closely resembles Kimba's BrattyHalfPint son Rune, who goes trough similar character development, than he does Kimba himself. Likewise Mufasa is closer to adult Kimba than he is to Caesar who is much more of an WellIntentionedExtremist (which, [[{{Irony}} amusingly]], somewhat becomes Simba's forte in Disney/TheLionKingIISimbasPride).
*** In ''Kimba'', both of Kimba's parents are dead and he more immediately becomes king. In ''The Lion King'', only his father is killed, and he blames himself for it, running away from his responsibility. His mother, Sarabi, lives to see his coronation.
*** Oh, and despite being DuelingShows, both are quite good on their own merits. It's best to think of the situation as being more like how ''Film/TheMagnificentSeven'' borrowed from ''Film/TheSevenSamurai'', even though ''The Magnificent Seven'' was more of a direct lift of ''The Seven Samurai'' than ''The Lion King'' was of ''Kimba''.
*** The most famous iteration of ''Kimba'' in the West, the anime made in the 1960s [[InternationalCoproduction with help from NBC]], also contains a lot more, ah... ''fantastical'' elements, such as [[AttackOfTheFiftyFootWhatever giant radioactive grasshoppers]] and unfrozen mammoths, and is far more comedic in tone than ''The Lion King'', while still being DarkerAndEdgier than its [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfAnimation Western contemporaries]]. The Lion King focuses more on heavier themes like guilt, the loss of a father/king, and accepting responsibility - it actually started a trend for Disney films to be DarkerAndEdgier, in that its follow-ups, ''Disney/{{Pocahontas}}'', ''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame'', ''Disney/{{Mulan}}'' and ''Disney/{{Tarzan}}'' often dealt with much heavier themes such as racism and war to variable success. However, The Lion King is STILL LighterAndSofter than the Kimba manga and later remakes of the series, which often edged into [[BittersweetEnding Bittersweet]] or even {{Downer Ending}}s.
*** For what it's worth, the film may have originally been planned as a ''Kimba'' remake - however, because the rights to Kimba are entangled with multiple companies, including Creator/{{NBC}} (as with many anime that have been dubbed - that's why ''[[VideoGame/JumpSuperStars Jump Ultimate Stars]]'' can't make it to US shores, due to the dubbing rights being split among Viz, Creator/FUNimation and 4Kids, among others), it simply wasn't possible to get the rights. Regardless, production was far enough along that it was likely too late to change things aside from the names and Simba's fur color - in addition, the film's development had a lot of cut characters who didn't correspond to Kimba's cast. As a matter of fact, there are still two characters in The Lion King who bear no resemblance to anyone in Kimba - [[EnsembleDarkhorse Timon and Pumbaa]].
*** Timon and Pumbaa could be seen as highly mutated versions of Kenichi and his uncle who (at-least in the manga) takes care of Kimba until he returns to the jungle and also have something of a FatAndSkinny character dynamic. Only Kenichi sticks around however and his personality is completely different from Timon's.
*** Irony: The smoking gun in favor of it being originally planned as a remake and having to be retooled? Creator/OsamuTezuka himself [[WordOfGod wanted to see]] Disney [[WhatCouldHaveBeen remake]] Kimba.
*** Matthew Broderick claimed once that when he signed on to do the film, he was point blank told that this was supposed to be an adaptation of ''Kimba''.

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* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: There is much controversy (READ: FlameWar) over whether this film is a ripoff of ''Manga/KimbaTheWhiteLion'' or not.
**
not. There are several differences, although there are many similarities. Here are the key differences in the narrative:
*** ** ''The Lion King'' lacks any human presence. In ''Kimba'', humans were often present [[HumansAreBastards as enemies]] like [[JerkAss Hamegg]], or simply as [[HumansAreFlawed unwittingly doing harm]].
*** ** In ''Kimba'', [[BigBad Claw]] is a rogue lion who wants to be king with two hyena minions, but is continually beaten down by Kimba after he attempts to take over the jungle when Hamegg kills Caesar. In ''The Lion King'', [[CaptainErsatz Scar]] is Mufasa's treacherous brother with three named hyena minions and hundreds more nameless ones, so he hatches a plan to become king by organizing the death of Mufasa and Simba. [[CaptainObvious He succeeds]] at killing Mufasa and scaring Simba away, and is a [[MagnificentBastard far]] more effective villain than Claw was. In addition, the hyenas in The Lion King were originally planned as African Wild Dogs - they were presumably changed either because African wild dogs aren't as well known as [[TheHyena hyenas]], or simply because hyenas [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute look more "evil"]].
*** ** Claw is a lot closer to Scar in the manga, managing to become the de facto leader of the jungle in Kimba's absence and dying after his and Kimba's first battle instead of hanging around to suffer VillainDecay. He does not however have his hyenas in the manga. Scar also shares many characteristics with Hamegg, being smug, flamboyant, having Nazi associations (in the manga [[spoiler: Hamegg is eventually revealed to have been a SS officer]]) and being the person who killed Kimba's father and sent him into exile. In the manga he is also [[spoiler: speared by Kimba when he is defeated by him just to be killed by Claw instead, like Simba spares Scar before he is killed by the hyenas]]. Hamegg however has HiddenDepths and a sympathetic side that Scar do not share.
*** ** In ''The Lion King'', the circle of life is used to get around CarnivoreConfusion. In ''Kimba'', Kimba decrees that the animals should only eat insects and plants and live in peace with each other; however, this causes quite a few problems, and Kimba has to learn the hard way that [[KnightInSourArmor Caesar]] was right about the animals.
*** ** ''The Lion King'' is about Simba accepting his responsibility as king in the archetypal [[TheHerosJourney Hero's Journey]]; ''Kimba'' deals with the titular title character learning how to use his responsibility wisely '''after''' he's become a young king. Another key difference is that Simba is kind of a [[JerkAss prick]] when he's a little kid, and Kimba is TheWisePrince. In fact, Simba much more closely resembles Kimba's BrattyHalfPint son Rune, who goes trough similar character development, than he does Kimba himself. Likewise Mufasa is closer to adult Kimba than he is to Caesar who is much more of an WellIntentionedExtremist (which, [[{{Irony}} amusingly]], somewhat becomes Simba's forte in Disney/TheLionKingIISimbasPride).
*** ** In ''Kimba'', both of Kimba's parents are dead and he more immediately becomes king. In ''The Lion King'', only his father is killed, and he blames himself for it, running away from his responsibility. His mother, Sarabi, lives to see his coronation.
*** ** Oh, and despite being DuelingShows, both are quite good on their own merits. It's best to think of the situation as being more like how ''Film/TheMagnificentSeven'' borrowed from ''Film/TheSevenSamurai'', even though ''The Magnificent Seven'' was more of a direct lift of ''The Seven Samurai'' than ''The Lion King'' was of ''Kimba''.
*** ** The most famous iteration of ''Kimba'' in the West, the anime made in the 1960s [[InternationalCoproduction with help from NBC]], also contains a lot more, ah... ''fantastical'' elements, such as [[AttackOfTheFiftyFootWhatever giant radioactive grasshoppers]] and unfrozen mammoths, and is far more comedic in tone than ''The Lion King'', while still being DarkerAndEdgier than its [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfAnimation Western contemporaries]]. The Lion King focuses more on heavier themes like guilt, the loss of a father/king, and accepting responsibility - it actually started a trend for Disney films to be DarkerAndEdgier, in that its follow-ups, ''Disney/{{Pocahontas}}'', ''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame'', ''Disney/{{Mulan}}'' and ''Disney/{{Tarzan}}'' often dealt with much heavier themes such as racism and war to variable success. However, The Lion King is STILL LighterAndSofter than the Kimba manga and later remakes of the series, which often edged into [[BittersweetEnding Bittersweet]] or even {{Downer Ending}}s.
*** ** For what it's worth, the film may have originally been planned as a ''Kimba'' remake - however, because the rights to Kimba are entangled with multiple companies, including Creator/{{NBC}} (as with many anime that have been dubbed - that's why ''[[VideoGame/JumpSuperStars Jump Ultimate Stars]]'' can't make it to US shores, due to the dubbing rights being split among Viz, Creator/FUNimation and 4Kids, among others), it simply wasn't possible to get the rights. Regardless, production was far enough along that it was likely too late to change things aside from the names and Simba's fur color - in addition, the film's development had a lot of cut characters who didn't correspond to Kimba's cast. As a matter of fact, there are still two characters in The Lion King who bear no resemblance to anyone in Kimba - [[EnsembleDarkhorse Timon and Pumbaa]].
*** ** Timon and Pumbaa could be seen as highly mutated versions of Kenichi and his uncle who (at-least in the manga) takes care of Kimba until he returns to the jungle and also have something of a FatAndSkinny character dynamic. Only Kenichi sticks around however and his personality is completely different from Timon's.
*** ** Irony: The smoking gun in favor of it being originally planned as a remake and having to be retooled? Creator/OsamuTezuka himself [[WordOfGod wanted to see]] Disney [[WhatCouldHaveBeen remake]] Kimba.
*** ** Matthew Broderick claimed once that when he signed on to do the film, he was point blank told that this was supposed to be an adaptation of ''Kimba''.
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** Disney's [[Film/TheJungleBook2016 Jungle Book remake]] drew some attention due to casting many actors who had also appeared in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse [[note]]Creator/JonFavreau, the film's director, also directed the [[Film/IronMan1 first]] [[Film/IronMan2 two]] ''[[ComicBook/IronMan]]'' films[[/note]]. Jon Favreau appears to be continuing this tradition in ''The Lion King'' remake, by casting Creator/DonaldGlover, who appears in ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming''[[note]]Favreau also reprises his role of Happy Hogan in that film[[/note]], as Simba.

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** Disney's [[Film/TheJungleBook2016 Jungle Book remake]] drew some attention due to casting many actors who had also appeared in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse [[note]]Creator/JonFavreau, the film's director, also directed the [[Film/IronMan1 first]] [[Film/IronMan2 two]] ''[[ComicBook/IronMan]]'' ''ComicBook/IronMan'' films[[/note]]. Jon Favreau appears to be continuing this tradition in ''The Lion King'' remake, by casting Creator/DonaldGlover, who appears in ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming''[[note]]Favreau also reprises his role of Happy Hogan in that film[[/note]], as Simba.
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** Disney's [[Film/TheJungleBook2016 Jungle Book remake]] drew some attention due to casting many actors who had also appeared in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse [[note]]Creator/JonFavreau, the film's director, also directed the [[Film/IronMan1 first]] [[Film/IronMan2 two]] ''[[ComicBook/Iron Man]]'' films[[/note]]. Jon Favreau appears to be continuing this tradition in ''The Lion King'' remake, by casting Creator/DonaldGlover, who appears in ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming''[[note]]Favreau also reprises his role of Happy Hogan in that film[[/note]], as Simba.

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** Disney's [[Film/TheJungleBook2016 Jungle Book remake]] drew some attention due to casting many actors who had also appeared in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse [[note]]Creator/JonFavreau, the film's director, also directed the [[Film/IronMan1 first]] [[Film/IronMan2 two]] ''[[ComicBook/Iron Man]]'' ''[[ComicBook/IronMan]]'' films[[/note]]. Jon Favreau appears to be continuing this tradition in ''The Lion King'' remake, by casting Creator/DonaldGlover, who appears in ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming''[[note]]Favreau also reprises his role of Happy Hogan in that film[[/note]], as Simba.
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