History YMMV / TheLegendofZelda

18th Jan '17 5:17:13 AM XanderVJ
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** After being VindicatedByHistory, it has become a serious crime to refer to ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker The Wind Waker]]'' as kiddy in certain fan groups. [[spoiler:Link stabbing Ganondorf through the head]] may be a big contribution to this.

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** After being VindicatedByHistory, it has become a serious crime to refer to ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker The Wind Waker]]'' as kiddy ''kiddy'' or ''childish'' in certain fan groups. [[spoiler:Link stabbing Ganondorf through the head]] head, and the fact that the game takes place in what turns out to be a post-apocalyptic world]] may be a big contribution to this.
18th Jan '17 5:15:23 AM XanderVJ
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** The "Link is Dead in ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask Majora's Mask]]''" theory stirs up a lot of hate.

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** The "Link is Dead in ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask Majora's Mask]]''" theory stirs up a lot of hate. Specially after the popular ''WebVideo/GameTheoryWebShow'' popularized it and many casual fans and observers took it in face value, despite the fact that that episode came out years after ''Hyrule Historia'', which completely [[{{Jossed}} josses it]] right off the bat.
18th Jan '17 4:56:48 AM XanderVJ
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** After ''Hyrule Historia'' was finally accepted as the biggest (albeit not 100% undisputed) authority discussing the timeline up to ''Skyward Sword'', the fanbase then started to focus on in which place of the official timeline would fall the games that were released afterwards. Although at first it was straight-forward enough (''A Link Between Worlds'' being a distant, yet direct sequel to ''A Link to the Past''), with ''Breath of the Wild'', timeline theorist came back with the old energy from the pre-''Skyward Sword'' days back in full force. They analyzed the trailers and demo footage practically frame by frame looking for clues that would answer the mystery, ''ZapruderFilm'' style.

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** After ''Hyrule Historia'' was finally accepted as the biggest (albeit not 100% undisputed) authority discussing the timeline up to ''Skyward Sword'', the fanbase then started to focus on in which place of the official timeline would fall the games that were released afterwards. Although at first it was straight-forward enough (''A Link Between Worlds'' being a distant, yet direct sequel to ''A Link to the Past''), with ''Breath of the Wild'', timeline theorist theorists came back with the old energy from the pre-''Skyward Sword'' days back in full force. They analyzed the trailers and demo footage practically frame by frame looking for clues that would answer the mystery, ''ZapruderFilm'' style.
18th Jan '17 4:55:14 AM XanderVJ
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** The timeline alone is a ''big'' piece of fanon madness. Before ''[[AllThereInTheManual Hyrule Historia]]'' came out to explain it in 2011, it was impossible to find a web site or forums of the series (either fan or otherwise) that did NOT have at least one big article and/or open thread discussing this issue at large, with big, crazy theories to boot. And ''after'' it came out, it didn't die. It just evolved into discussing the points that were left ambiguous, debating about the contradictions between the artbook, [[FlipFlopOfGod the interviews to Miyamoto and Aonuma]] and the games themselves, tiding up the remaining loose ends, or trying to give alternate interpretations to [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanations that were deemed unsatisfactory]]. Especially crazy because Nintendo put an explicit MST3KMantra disclaimer in the very same official timeline, explaining that the development team, for the most part, thinks about gameplay first and story later. But fans still treat this topic as SeriousBusiness.

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** The timeline alone is a ''big'' piece of fanon madness. Before ''[[AllThereInTheManual Hyrule Historia]]'' came out to explain it in 2011, it was impossible to find a web site or forums of the series (either fan or otherwise) that did NOT have at least one big article and/or open thread discussing this issue at large, with big, crazy theories to boot. And ''after'' it ''Hyrule Historia'' came out, it didn't die. It just evolved into discussing the points that were left ambiguous, debating about the contradictions between the artbook, [[FlipFlopOfGod the interviews to Miyamoto and Aonuma]] and the games themselves, tiding up the remaining loose ends, or trying to give alternate interpretations to [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanations that were deemed unsatisfactory]]. Especially crazy because Nintendo put an explicit MST3KMantra disclaimer in the very same official timeline, explaining that the development team, for the most part, thinks about gameplay first and story later. But fans still treat this topic as SeriousBusiness.
18th Jan '17 4:53:06 AM XanderVJ
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* EpilepticTrees: Oh, boy, is this franchise famous for this! Both because of the narrative style used in the games and the way [[WordOfGood the developers]] explain themselves about it (sometimes in [[FlipFlopOfGod contradictory ways]]), fans just can't get enough of speculating about the mythos and continuity. To be more specific:

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* EpilepticTrees: Oh, boy, is this franchise famous for this! Both because of the narrative style used in the games and the way [[WordOfGood [[WordOfGod the developers]] explain themselves about it (sometimes in [[FlipFlopOfGod contradictory ways]]), fans just can't get enough of speculating about the mythos and continuity. To be more specific:
18th Jan '17 4:51:47 AM XanderVJ
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* EpilepticTrees: The timeline alone is a ''big'' piece of fanon madness. Before ''[[AllThereInTheManual Hyrule Historia]]'' came out to explain it, it was impossible to find a web site or forums of the series (either fan or otherwise) that did NOT have at least one big article and/or open thread discussing this issue at large, with big, crazy theories to boot. And ''after'' it came out, it didn't die. It just evolved into discussing the points that were left ambiguous, debating about the contradictions between the artbook, [[FlipFlopOfGod the interviews to Miyamoto and Aonuma]] and the games themselves, tiding up the remaining loose ends, or trying to give alternate interpretations to [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanations that were deemed unsatisfactory]]. Especially crazy because Nintendo put an explicit MST3KMantra disclaimer in the very same official timeline, explaining that the development team, for the most part, thinks about gameplay first and story later. But fans still treat this topic as SeriousBusiness.

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* EpilepticTrees: Oh, boy, is this franchise famous for this! Both because of the narrative style used in the games and the way [[WordOfGood the developers]] explain themselves about it (sometimes in [[FlipFlopOfGod contradictory ways]]), fans just can't get enough of speculating about the mythos and continuity. To be more specific:
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The timeline alone is a ''big'' piece of fanon madness. Before ''[[AllThereInTheManual Hyrule Historia]]'' came out to explain it, it in 2011, it was impossible to find a web site or forums of the series (either fan or otherwise) that did NOT have at least one big article and/or open thread discussing this issue at large, with big, crazy theories to boot. And ''after'' it came out, it didn't die. It just evolved into discussing the points that were left ambiguous, debating about the contradictions between the artbook, [[FlipFlopOfGod the interviews to Miyamoto and Aonuma]] and the games themselves, tiding up the remaining loose ends, or trying to give alternate interpretations to [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanations that were deemed unsatisfactory]]. Especially crazy because Nintendo put an explicit MST3KMantra disclaimer in the very same official timeline, explaining that the development team, for the most part, thinks about gameplay first and story later. But fans still treat this topic as SeriousBusiness.SeriousBusiness.
** After ''Hyrule Historia'' was finally accepted as the biggest (albeit not 100% undisputed) authority discussing the timeline up to ''Skyward Sword'', the fanbase then started to focus on in which place of the official timeline would fall the games that were released afterwards. Although at first it was straight-forward enough (''A Link Between Worlds'' being a distant, yet direct sequel to ''A Link to the Past''), with ''Breath of the Wild'', timeline theorist came back with the old energy from the pre-''Skyward Sword'' days back in full force. They analyzed the trailers and demo footage practically frame by frame looking for clues that would answer the mystery, ''ZapruderFilm'' style.
** Even leaving new games aside, there are still tons of theories around the web discussing points in the already established timeline that weren't addressed by ''Hyrule Historia'', like the full history of each race (the Sheikah and Gerudo are particularly prone to it), or the fate of secondary characters. Mostly minor stuff, but still strong enough to sustain entire YouTube channels dedicated to this topic alone.
18th Jan '17 4:31:57 AM XanderVJ
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** Since ''The Wind Waker'', one of the most prominent debates, not only in the fan base, but also among critics, is whether the franchise should feature voice acting. The two opposing forces are:

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** Since ''The Wind Waker'', one of the most prominent debates, not only in the fan base, but also among critics, is whether the franchise should feature voice acting. Even after ''Breath of the Wild'' revealed that it was going to bring it to franchise at last, the debate was far from over. The two opposing forces are:



*** Those who think they should totally use them. They argue the lack of voices makes the games feel outdated, and it's detrimental to the immersion. Especially considering the games now use cut-scenes prominently, where the lack of voices becomes especially jarring. As for the issue about Link, most people in this camp usually propose to keep him silent, arguing that it wouldn't be nearly as weird as people in the opposing side makes it out to be. Others claim that giving Link a voice doesn't need to destroy his character, since there has been already a successful attempt of giving him a more fleshed out personality in the mangas by Akira Himekawa, which has been embraced by most of the fan base.

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*** Those who think they should totally use them. They argue the lack of voices makes the games feel outdated, and it's detrimental to the immersion. Especially considering the games now modern entries in the franchise use cut-scenes prominently, where the lack of voices becomes especially jarring. As for the issue about Link, most people in this camp usually propose to keep him silent, silent (which is the approach ''Breath of the Wild'' takes), arguing that it wouldn't be nearly as weird as people in the opposing side makes it out to be. Others claim that giving that, even if they gave Link a voice doesn't voice, that wouldn't need to destroy his character, since there has been already a successful attempt of giving him a more fleshed out personality in the mangas by Akira Himekawa, which has been embraced by most of the fan base.
1st Jan '17 4:24:57 PM superboy313
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** This trope was originally named after the BigBad Ganondorf, aka Ganon, from ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'', who is [[CommonKnowledge commonly believed]] to have gotten an additional "N" in his name in the original game. This also isn't an artifact of the Japanese version [[http://gannon-banned.com/#gannon as explained on gannon-banned.com.]] The proper Japanese is, in fact, "Ganon"; the only location where this mistake was made is on the title screen. [[http://legendsoflocalization.com/media/the-legend-of-zelda/manuals/story.jpg It is Ganon in the Japanese and English manuals as well, notably.]]
** Claiming that there is only one Link, that the games were released in chronological order, etc., is liable to get you laughed out of any timeline forum. The timeline given in ''Hyrule Historia'' is, for the most part, canon.
*** It doesn't help that Nintendo itself (at least the American branch) [[http://www.zelda.com/universe/pedia/l.jsp treats Link as if there was only one Link out of simplicity]] (the site is run by some of Nintendo's marketing staff, so they skew a lot of facts to make the games more desirable to outsiders; using the site as any sort of authority is actually a good way to get edit blocked on the ''Zelda'' Wikis).
*** Don't diss ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]'' on the Internet!
*** Also, saying that ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' or ''[[VideoGame/SoulSeries Soulcalibur II]]'' is canon to the ''Zelda'' timeline can sometimes evoke serious hatred.
** The "Tetraforce" theory, the theory that there are four pieces to the Triforce, receives quite a bit of hate. That it has been officially {{Jossed}} should say something of the matter.
** The "Link is Dead in ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask Majora's Mask]]''" theory stirs up a lot of hate.
** [[IAmNotShazam Call Link "Zelda"]] around any ''[=LoZ=]'' fan and prepare to get yelled at. While it used to be fairly common among non-fans and casual fans, nowadays it's a fairly obvious {{Troll}}.
** For your own safety, '''don't''' call the ''Zelda'' games (except maybe ''[[VideoGame/ZeldaIITheAdventureOfLink The Adventure of Link]]'') {{R|olePlayingGame}}PGs.
** After being VindicatedByHistory, it has become a serious crime to refer to ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker The Wind Waker]]'' as kiddy in certain fan groups. [[spoiler:Link stabbing Ganondorf through the head]] may be a big contribution to this.
** Also, don't call Link [[OurElvesAreBetter an "elf"]] in front of a ''Zelda'' fan unless you want to be [[DopeSlap slapped upside your face]] for being a complete [[{{Noob}} n00b]]. You'll also probably get a huge speech about how Link is NOT an elf but rather a Hylian, the main race in the games. According to every non-human entity in those games, Hylians are humans. Presumably the ears are just long compared to other, normal-eared humans in the games (such as the ones inhabiting the countries used for the settings of [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOracleGames the]] ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOracleGames Oracle]]'' [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOracleGames games]], which have round ears) as Hylians don't have, for example, extended lifespans or other traits associated with elves.
** It doesn't help that some materials ''do'' make the distinction between "elven" Hylians and "non-elven" humans. The main difference between Hylians and humans, apart from the pointy ears, is that Hylians are the descendants of the Goddess Hylia (in Zelda's form), while humans, we can assume, don't have the blood of Hylia. It also seems that Hylians have mystic abilities that humans don't. The best way of putting it would be that Hylians are human, but humans aren't Hylian. Hylians can therefore be compared to a race, within the species. Still, don't refer to Hylians as elves.
** ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask Majora's Mask]]'' is not "Zelda 2," no matter how much SequelDisplacement ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]'' created.
** ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkBetweenWorlds A Link Between Worlds]]'' is not a remake of ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast A Link to the Past]]'', but a sequel taking place in the same version of Hyrule. Certainly not helped by Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto originally ''considering'' remaking it before Eiji Aonuma convinced him to make an original game.
** In regards to ''VideoGame/HyruleWarriors'', Linkle is her own character, and ''not'' a gender-swapped incarnation of Link.
** With the exception of the Dark Link fight, never say anything positive about ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]''[='s=] [[ThatOneLevel Water Temple]]. Same goes for ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask Majora's Mask]]''[='s=] Great Bay Temple and ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess Twilight Princess]]''[='s=] Lakebed Temple to a lesser extent.
** Denying anything written in ''Literature/HyruleHistoria'' as being "unofficial" is likely to get what you say disregarded. Being that it was written by the series's production team and overseen by Miyamoto and Aonuma, it should be regarded as canonical as the games themselves. It being the source that {{Jossed}} the aforementioned fan theories, while [[AscendedFanon canonizing others]], is only one reason most fans say it shouldn't be doubted.
28th Dec '16 11:02:46 AM StarSword
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* GeniusBonus: Link's steed Epona is named after the [[Myth/CelticMythology Gaulish goddess of horses]].
21st Dec '16 11:43:05 AM DracoKanji
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** As explained in Hyrule Historia (a guidebook about the franchise by Nintendo), there is a third timeline that also split from [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]. What causes it? [[spoiler:{{The hero d|ies}}ying]], something that fans didn't expect at all due to [[spoiler:obviously not thinking Game Overs to be 'canon' in any way.]]

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** As explained in Hyrule Historia (a guidebook about the franchise by Nintendo), there is a third timeline that also split from [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]. What causes it? [[spoiler:{{The [[spoiler:the hero d|ies}}ying]], failing]], something that fans didn't expect at all due to [[spoiler:obviously not thinking Game Overs to be 'canon' in any way.]]
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