History YMMV / TheLegendofZelda

14th Jun '16 1:18:07 PM Silverblade2
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** The "Should Link be allowed to be a girl?" debate. The idea had been around for a while in the early 2010's, but it was only proposed by a small and quite minority. Things changed with the E3 2014 reveal trailer of ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaWiiU'', which showed a Link that .looked [[DudeLooksLikeALady more androgynous than usual]], to the point that it created a ''massive'' ViewerGenderConfusion. After that, and the confirmation that this Link was indeed a male, the debate jumped to the forefront of the fandom, with all different kinds of opinions on the matter.

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** The "Should Link be allowed to be a girl?" debate. The idea had been around for a while in the early 2010's, but it was only proposed by a small and quite minority. Things changed with the E3 2014 reveal trailer of ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaWiiU'', ''TheLegendOfZeldaBreathOfTheWild'', which showed a Link that .looked [[DudeLooksLikeALady more androgynous than usual]], to the point that it created a ''massive'' ViewerGenderConfusion. After that, and the confirmation that this Link was indeed a male, the debate jumped to the forefront of the fandom, with all different kinds of opinions on the matter.
14th Jun '16 9:40:31 AM Silverblade2
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* [[YMMV/TheLegendOfZeldaWiiU Zelda Wii U]]

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* [[YMMV/TheLegendOfZeldaWiiU Zelda Wii U]][[YMMV/TheLegendOfZeldaBreathOfTheWild Breath Of The Wild]]
17th May '16 8:30:13 AM XanderVJ
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* EpilepticTrees: The timeline alone is a ''big'' piece of fanon madness. Before ''[[AllThereInTheManual Hyrule Historia]]'' came out to explain it, it was impossible to find a web site or forums of the series (either fan or otherwise) that did NOT have at least one big article and/or open thread discussing this issue at large, with big, crazy theories to boot. And ''after'' it came out, it didn't die. It just evolved into discussing the points that were left ambiguous, debating about the contradictions between the artbook, [[FlipFlopOfGod the interviews to Miyamoto and Aonuma]] and the games themselves, tiding up the remaining loose ends, or trying to give alternate interpretations to [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanations that were deemed unsatisfactory]]. Especially crazy because Nintendo put an explicit MST3KMantra disclaimer in the very same official timeline, explaining that the development team, for the most part, thinks about gameplay first and story later. But fans still treat this topic as SeriousBusiness. In [[VideoGame/AnotherCode Trace Memory]] you can find a book in the mansion's library that explains the entire Zelda timeline. [[{{Troll}} But you can't read it]] (Keep in mind this game was made long before the Historia was even in concept and the Zelda Timeline was at its most confusing)

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* EpilepticTrees: The timeline alone is a ''big'' piece of fanon madness. Before ''[[AllThereInTheManual Hyrule Historia]]'' came out to explain it, it was impossible to find a web site or forums of the series (either fan or otherwise) that did NOT have at least one big article and/or open thread discussing this issue at large, with big, crazy theories to boot. And ''after'' it came out, it didn't die. It just evolved into discussing the points that were left ambiguous, debating about the contradictions between the artbook, [[FlipFlopOfGod the interviews to Miyamoto and Aonuma]] and the games themselves, tiding up the remaining loose ends, or trying to give alternate interpretations to [[FanDislikedExplanation the explanations that were deemed unsatisfactory]]. Especially crazy because Nintendo put an explicit MST3KMantra disclaimer in the very same official timeline, explaining that the development team, for the most part, thinks about gameplay first and story later. But fans still treat this topic as SeriousBusiness. In [[VideoGame/AnotherCode Trace Memory]] you can find a book in the mansion's library that explains the entire Zelda timeline. [[{{Troll}} But you can't read it]] (Keep in mind this game was made long before the Historia was even in concept and the Zelda Timeline was at its most confusing)



* HilariousInHindsight: In [[VideoGame/AnotherCode Trace Memory]] as a joke, or even Nintendo outright trolling. This game was made back when the Zelda-Timeline was very confusing and all over the place. The protagonist Ashley can find a book in the library. "The Legend of Zelda Timeline" but you aren't allowed to read it. Cue almost a decade later, the Hyrule Historia is released, which might as well have been that exact book.
13th May '16 3:01:24 PM Darthrai
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** The cycle seems to [[AvertedTrope have stopped]] with ''Skyward Sword'', though. Although it still has its fair share of fans, the general consensus after 5 years is still that it's one of the weakest entries in the franchise, while its follow up, ''A Link Between Worlds'', was praised both by most critics and fans from day one.

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** The cycle seems to [[AvertedTrope have stopped]] with ''Skyward Sword'', though. Although it still has its fair share of fans, the general consensus after 5 years is still that it's one of the weakest entries in the franchise, while its follow up, ''A Link Between Worlds'', was praised both by most critics and fans from day one. Furthermore, while reception to ''Twilight Princess'' has grown warmer over time, it failed to become the fanbase's "[[SacredCow golden game]]" like ''Majora's Mask'' and ''Wind Waker'' became in turn - rather, most of its unanimous love and praise was at the time of release.
13th May '16 2:58:56 PM Darthrai
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** While the core fanbase is [[BrokenBase split]] as to the overall quality of each game, three in particular - ''A Link to the Past'', ''Ocarina of Time'' and ''Majora's Mask'' - are treated as this and adamantly defended from any sort of criticism, although this raises accusations of SeinfeldIsUnfunny and HypeBacklash.

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** While the core fanbase is [[BrokenBase split]] as to the overall quality of each game, three in particular - ''A Link to the Past'', ''Ocarina of Time'' and ''Majora's Mask'' - are treated as this and adamantly defended from any sort of criticism, although this raises accusations of SeinfeldIsUnfunny and HypeBacklash. ''The Wind Waker'' gets this treatment to a somewhat lesser extent.
13th May '16 2:57:45 PM Darthrai
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** During the UsefulNotes/TheFifthGenerationOfConsoleVideoGames, there was also another one with the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' series, especially ''Ocarina of Time'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' (and also by extension, Link Vs. Cloud). Both franchises were probably the most iconic ones of their [[UsefulNotes/PlayStation respective]] [[UsefulNotes/Nintendo64 consoles]], and people used to compare them out of their fantasy settings (despite the fact that they were for the most part very different). So it was a natural extension of that generation ConsoleWars.

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** During the UsefulNotes/TheFifthGenerationOfConsoleVideoGames, there was also another one with the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' series, especially ''Ocarina of Time'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' (and also by extension, Link Vs. Cloud). Both franchises were probably the most iconic ones of their [[UsefulNotes/PlayStation respective]] [[UsefulNotes/Nintendo64 consoles]], and people used to compare them out of their fantasy settings (despite the fact that they were for the most part very different). So it was a natural extension of that generation ConsoleWars. Just like with the previous console war's [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Mario]] vs. [[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog Sonic]] rivalry, an official Link vs. Cloud fight was finally made possible when Cloud was added to the fourth ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' game.
13th May '16 2:55:52 PM Darthrai
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* FriendlyFandoms: With ''Franchise/{{Metroid}}'', due to both franchises being Nintendo's most famous "serious" series with games considered among Nintendo's best; there are a ton of fan theories about Samus being descended from Link himself. That said, sometimes the fandoms get into arguments over whether Link or Samus is a cooler protagonist, or whether Nintendo's best game of all time is a ''Zelda'' game or a ''Metroid'' game (usually ''VideoGame/SuperMetroid'' or ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime'').

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* FriendlyFandoms: With ''Franchise/{{Metroid}}'', due to both franchises being Nintendo's most famous "serious" series with games considered among Nintendo's best; there are a ton of fan theories about Samus being descended from Link himself. That said, sometimes the fandoms get into arguments over whether Link or Samus is a cooler better protagonist, or whether Nintendo's best game as well as the relative quality of all time is a ''Zelda'' game or a ''Metroid'' game (usually ''VideoGame/SuperMetroid'' or ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime'').both series.



** In many Western gaming communities, Link is Nintendo's most popular character, even surpassing company mascot [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Mario]]. This even has some effect outside of said gaming communities; for example, Link's Toys/{{amiibo}} has been the best-selling amiibo figure in Western regions several quarters in a row, and has held such a high position more consistently than other characters (again including Mario).

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** In many Western gaming communities, Link is Nintendo's most popular character, even surpassing company mascot [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Mario]]. This even has some effect outside of said gaming communities; for example, Link's Toys/{{amiibo}} has consistently been the best-selling amiibo figure in Western regions several quarters in a row, and has held such a high position more consistently than other characters (again including Mario).regions.
13th May '16 2:54:27 PM Darthrai
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: While wildly popular elsewhere, the ''Zelda'' franchise isn't ''quite'' as popular in its native Japan (but still popular).

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While wildly popular elsewhere, the ''Zelda'' franchise isn't ''quite'' as popular in its native Japan (but still popular).popular).
** In many Western gaming communities, Link is Nintendo's most popular character, even surpassing company mascot [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Mario]]. This even has some effect outside of said gaming communities; for example, Link's Toys/{{amiibo}} has been the best-selling amiibo figure in Western regions several quarters in a row, and has held such a high position more consistently than other characters (again including Mario).
3rd May '16 2:30:12 AM XanderVJ
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* BrokenBase:
** One of the biggest, yet most subtle divides in the fandom comes from the idea of what makes a Zelda game... a Zelda game! The franchise has become more and more multi-faceted over the years, and thus different people may like it for completely different reasons. Sometimes, even for completely incompatible reasons when it comes to arguing, thus creating long debates, if not down right FlameWars. The most recurrent ones seems to be the exploration component, the puzzle solving (especially in the dungeons), and the lore. But there are also plenty of people who will mention the art style, the story telling, the atmosphere, or even the combat system, especially the boss fights. There's even a fair share of fans who think the answer is "all of the above", and thus there is no point in trying to single out just one aspect and call it THE "Zelda secret".
** Every single entry of the series ever since ''Ocarina of Time'' (if not even earlier than that) has received accusations of ItsTheSameSoItSucks and TheyChangedItNowItSucks ''[[DoubleStandard at the same time]]''. One second you find a comment trashing the game for not changing the Zelda formula at all, demeaning its new features as "gimmicks", and the next second you find another one that trashes it because those "gimmicks" are new features that totally change (and ruin) the Zelda formula. [[WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation Yahtzee]] even managed to do both in one review, bashing ''Skyward Sword'' for being formulaic, then for not holding to its own formulas.
** The fans are divided on whether CelShading or [[RealIsBrown "realism"]] is better for the series.
** Fans and critics frequently argue about which game in the series is the best, often escalating to arguments where (insert game X here) is dismissed as "absolute crap" while (insert game Y here) is objectively the greatest game of all time. This is despite the fact that almost all major ''Zelda'' games are loved by critics and well-received with the general public.

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* BrokenBase:
BrokenBase: You don't get to become one of the biggest, most respected franchises in your medium without dividing people to some extent. Here are some of the most popular highlights.
** One of the biggest, yet most subtle divides in the fandom comes from the idea of what makes a Zelda game... a Zelda game! The franchise has become more and more multi-faceted over the years, and thus different people may like it for completely different reasons. Sometimes, Because of this, the fans often find themselves in direct opposition to one another. Sometimes to the extreme that one element may be considered essential to the franchise by one group, but another may consider it even for completely incompatible reasons when it comes to arguing, thus creating long debates, if not down right FlameWars. detrimental. The elements that are argued the most recurrent ones seems to be are the exploration component, the puzzle solving (especially in the dungeons), and the lore. But there are also plenty of people who will mention the ever changing art style, the story telling, the atmosphere, or even the combat system, especially the boss fights. There's even a fair share of fans who think the answer is "all of the above", and thus there is no point in trying to single out just one aspect and call it THE "Zelda secret".
** Every Another one of the biggests, and this time, most visible ones is that every single entry of the series ever since ''Ocarina of Time'' (if not even earlier than that) has received accusations of ItsTheSameSoItSucks and TheyChangedItNowItSucks ''[[DoubleStandard at the same time]]''. One second you find a comment trashing the game for not changing the Zelda formula at all, demeaning its new features as "gimmicks", and the next second you find another one that trashes it because those "gimmicks" are new features that totally change (and ruin) the Zelda formula. [[WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation Yahtzee]] even managed to do both in one review, bashing ''Skyward Sword'' for being formulaic, then for not holding to its own formulas.
** The fans are also divided on whether CelShading or [[RealIsBrown "realism"]] is better for the series.
** Fans and critics frequently argue about which game in the series is the best, often escalating to arguments where (insert game X here) is dismissed as "absolute crap" while (insert game Y here) is objectively the greatest game of all time. This is despite the fact that almost all major ''Zelda'' games are loved by critics and well-received with by the general public.
1st May '16 9:15:54 AM nybiker1
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* ItsEasySoItSucks: A common complaint about entries after the N64 era among veteran fans, specially those who grew up with the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaI first]] [[VideoGame/ZeldaIITheAdventureOfLink three]] [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast games]].

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* ItsEasySoItSucks: A common complaint about entries after the N64 era among veteran fans, specially those who grew up with the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaI first]] the]] [[VideoGame/ZeldaIITheAdventureOfLink three]] first]] [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast four]] [[VideoGame/TheLegendofZeldaLinksAwakening games]].
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