History YMMV / TheLegendOfZeldaOracleGames

4th Sep '17 6:53:56 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* TheScrappy:
** Ralph's obnoxious self-important attitude earns him some hate.
** [[AmericansHateTingle Tingle]] also shows up in ''Ages''.
4th Sep '17 6:50:53 PM Nicoaln
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* BestLevelEver:
** The Mermaid's Cave in ''Ages'', for the sheer gimmick. The music is absolutely beautiful, and unlike most dungeons (which only exist in the past or present), it exists in two time zones and requires you to go to the past ''and'' the present to solve puzzles and clear it out. This is some ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger''-level stuff here.
** The Sword and Shield Maze in ''Seasons'', despite having a rather poor item upgrade, is the ''only'' dungeon in Subrosia.



** The second boss from ''Ages'', the Head Thwomp, is this if you don't know the trick. You must sit on slow moving platforms that rotate above his head so you can drop bombs into him, making him spin around. However, you have to make him stop on the ''red'' head to actually damage him, everything else gets an attack. There's a precise timing to it (throw the bomb when his face turns purple), and you can eliminate a lot of guesswork by tossing bombs from the edge of the solid platforms up top, but it's still annoying.

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** The second boss from ''Ages'', the Head Thwomp, is this if you don't know the trick. You must sit on slow moving platforms that rotate above his head so you can drop bombs into him, making him spin around. However, you have to make him stop on the ''red'' head to actually damage him, everything else gets an attack. There's a precise timing to it (throw the bomb when his face turns purple), purple, and throw a bomb right after you had hitten it), and you can eliminate a lot of guesswork by tossing bombs from the edge of the solid platforms up top, but it's still annoying.
30th Jun '17 12:21:29 AM Sammettik
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** Both Veran and Onox were interesting villains with unique powers, cool character designs, and creative methods. However, the BigBad turns out to be Twinrova, with Ganon as the GreaterScopeVillain and TrueFinalBoss. Onox especially gets it bad. Unlike Veran, who has plenty of personality, Onox is a FlatCharacter because we don't see him as often.

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** Both Veran and Onox were interesting villains with unique powers, cool character designs, and creative methods. However, the BigBad turns out to be Twinrova, with Ganon as the GreaterScopeVillain and TrueFinalBoss. Onox especially gets it bad. bad: Unlike Veran, who has plenty of personality, Onox is a FlatCharacter because we don't see him as often.
1st Apr '17 12:33:29 PM Luigifan
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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler:Ganon]]. He's slow and predictable, and he doesn't have a second/third form like the two vanilla final bosses and the boss that comes before him. Some of it is justified by the fact [[spoiler:Twinrova couldn't offer the proper sacrifice for his mortal vessel, making him a mindless beast and likely less powerful than he ought to be]], but it's still a bit jarring for the[[spoiler:former King of Evil]].

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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler:Ganon]]. He's slow and predictable, and he doesn't have a second/third form like the two vanilla final bosses and the boss that comes before him. Some of it is justified by the fact [[spoiler:Twinrova couldn't offer the proper sacrifice for his mortal vessel, making him a mindless beast and likely less powerful than he ought to be]], but it's still a bit jarring for the[[spoiler:former the [[spoiler:former King of Evil]].



* GameBreaker: The Red Ring in ''Seasons'' doubles all sword damage. This makes any normal attack a Spin Attack and Spin Attacks do ''quadruple'' normal damage. With the Noble Sword, Spin Attacks reach 8 power, and the Master Sword in a linked game raises that to ''12'' power. Even the final bosses of the games will die in three or four spin attacks at that rate. This also explains why so many late game bosses and minibosses are immune to sword strikes or are Puzzle Bosses.

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* GameBreaker: The Red Ring in ''Seasons'' doubles all sword damage. This makes any normal attack a Spin Attack and Spin Attacks do ''quadruple'' normal damage. With the Noble Sword, Spin Attacks reach 8 power, and the Master Sword in a linked game raises that to ''12'' power. Even the final bosses of the games will die in three or four spin attacks at that rate. This also explains why so many late game bosses and minibosses are immune to sword strikes or are Puzzle Bosses.{{Puzzle Boss}}es.



** The Ancient Tomb boss Ramrock is a long and complicated PuzzleBoss requiring the use of many different items and strategies, many of which are very unclear. For instance, in its first two forms it is immune to the seed shooter, yet in its third form this inexplicably becomes its only weakness. You will basically only discover this if you flail around trying absolutely everything, but why on Earth would you use the thing you've already established is useless? You are also supposed to throw bombs between its hands in its second form, but the window (in both time and space) is incredibly narrow, so it's easy to throw a bomb only for it to prove ineffective, at which point you might reasonably assume that you're supposed to do something else.

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** The Ancient Tomb boss Ramrock is a long and complicated PuzzleBoss requiring the use of many different items and strategies, many of which are very unclear. For instance, in its first two forms forms, it is immune to the seed shooter, yet in its third form this inexplicably becomes its only weakness. You will basically only discover this if you flail around trying absolutely everything, but why on Earth would you use the thing you've already established is useless? You are also supposed to throw bombs between its hands in its second form, but the window (in both time and space) is incredibly narrow, so it's easy to throw a bomb only for it to prove ineffective, at which point you might reasonably assume that you're supposed to do something else.



** Farore thanks to being DemotedToExtra during the development. She's the third Oracle and has her own artwork but she has no role in the story and only exists to get items by giving to her linking passwords. This is especially jarring when the goddess Farore is associated with courage, Link's virtue.
* ViewerGenderConfusion: Ricky being a [[AnimalGenderBender male kangaroo with a pouch]] didn't just confuse the fans. The ''Magazine/NintendoPower'' writers called Ricky a "he/him" in their first preview only to switch to "she/her" in the following preview, likely because the FridgeLogic set in. They went back to "he/him" during their mini-guide, presumably because they had gotten their hands on the game at that point and found out Ricky really was a guy. Zelda.com also originally referred to Ricky as a female, though given [[CowboyBebopAtHisComputer its horrid reputation]] that's not exactly surprising.

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** Farore thanks to being DemotedToExtra during the development. She's the third Oracle and has her own artwork artwork, but she has no role in the story and only exists to get items by giving to her linking passwords. This is especially jarring when the goddess Farore is associated with courage, Link's virtue.
* ViewerGenderConfusion: Ricky being a [[AnimalGenderBender male kangaroo with a pouch]] didn't just confuse the fans. The ''Magazine/NintendoPower'' writers called Ricky a "he/him" in their first preview only to switch to "she/her" in the following preview, likely because the FridgeLogic set in. They went back to "he/him" during their mini-guide, presumably because they had gotten their hands on the game at that point and found out Ricky really was a guy. Zelda.com also originally referred to Ricky as a female, though given [[CowboyBebopAtHisComputer its horrid reputation]] reputation]], that's not exactly surprising.
2nd Mar '17 9:18:05 AM X2X
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* TheScrappy:
** Ralph's obnoxious self-important attitude earns him some hate.
** [[AmericansHateTingle Tingle]] also shows up in ''Ages''.



* TheScrappy:
** Ralph's obnoxious self-important attitude earns him some hate.
** [[AmericansHateTingle Tingle]] also shows up in ''Ages''.



* ViewerGenderConfusion: Ricky being a [[AnimalGenderBender male kangaroo with a pouch]] didn't just confuse the fans. The ''Magazine/NintendoPower'' writers called Ricky a "he/him" in their first preview only to switch to "she/her" in the following preview, likely because the FridgeLogic set in. They went back to "he/him" during their mini-guide, presumably because they had gotten their hands on the game at that point and found out Ricky really was a guy. Zelda.com also originally referred to Ricky as a female, though given [[CowboyBebopAtHisComputer its horrid reputation]] that's not exactly surprising.


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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Ricky being a [[AnimalGenderBender male kangaroo with a pouch]] didn't just confuse the fans. The ''Magazine/NintendoPower'' writers called Ricky a "he/him" in their first preview only to switch to "she/her" in the following preview, likely because the FridgeLogic set in. They went back to "he/him" during their mini-guide, presumably because they had gotten their hands on the game at that point and found out Ricky really was a guy. Zelda.com also originally referred to Ricky as a female, though given [[CowboyBebopAtHisComputer its horrid reputation]] that's not exactly surprising.
2nd Mar '17 9:17:13 AM X2X
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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler:Ganon]]. He's slow and predictable, and he doesn't have a second/third form like the two vanilla final bosses and the boss that comes before him. Some of it is justified by the fact [[spoiler:Twinrova couldn't offer the proper sacrifice for his mortal vessel, making him a mindless beast and likely less powerful than he ought to be]], but it's still a bit jarring for the[[spoiler: former King of Evil]].

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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler:Ganon]]. He's slow and predictable, and he doesn't have a second/third form like the two vanilla final bosses and the boss that comes before him. Some of it is justified by the fact [[spoiler:Twinrova couldn't offer the proper sacrifice for his mortal vessel, making him a mindless beast and likely less powerful than he ought to be]], but it's still a bit jarring for the[[spoiler: former the[[spoiler:former King of Evil]].Evil]].
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: For a handheld game, the final boss music for both games counts. Onox, with his [[spoiler: dragon/wyvern]] form, arguably pulls it off better.
** The Tarm Ruins from ''Seasons'' is a surprisingly mellow and melancholy song that many people remember.
** Meanwhile, Dancing Dragon Dungeon, also from ''Seasons'', is just so damn ''funky''.



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: For a handheld game, the final boss music for both games counts. Onox, with his [[spoiler: dragon/wyvern]] form, arguably pulls it off better.
** The Tarm Ruins from Seasons is a suprisingly mellow and melancholy song that many people remember.
** Meanwhile Dancing Dragon Dungeon, also from Seasons, is just so damn ''funky.''



* EvilIsSexy: [[http://zeldawiki.org/File:Veran.png Veran.]] As you can clearly see, Veran reads like a scrolling laundry list of kinks, and then some. [[spoiler:Even two of her {{One Winged Angel}}s forms (her true appearance as a fairy and her beetle transformation) are {{Cute Monster Girl}}s, although they ''do'' veer a bit toward the creepy side.]]

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* EvilIsSexy: [[http://zeldawiki.org/File:Veran.png Veran.]] As you can clearly see, Veran reads like a scrolling laundry list of kinks, and then some. [[spoiler:Even two of her {{One Winged Angel}}s OneWingedAngel forms (her true appearance as a fairy and her beetle transformation) are {{Cute Monster Girl}}s, although they ''do'' veer a bit toward the creepy side.]]



* MarathonLevel: The Ancient Ruins from Seasons are a strong contender for the longest level in a handheld Zelda game. It doesn't help that Manhandla, the boss, is considered Seasons' ThatOneBoss.

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* MarathonLevel: The Ancient Ruins from Seasons are a strong contender for the longest level in a handheld Zelda ''Zelda'' game. It doesn't help that Manhandla, the boss, is considered Seasons' ''Seasons''[='=] ThatOneBoss.



** The Ancient Ruins boss Manhandla, a giant Venus flytrap that shoots fireballs. Sounds easy enough, except that: you need to take out the heads with the boomerang, the heads are only vulnerable when they're shooting at you, the boomerang averts the "precise" part of PrecisionGuidedBoomerang when you're trying to guide it around (the heads are on all four sides), the boss gets faster with every head destroyed, you ''use the same buttons to move as to control the boomerang'' (making you a sitting duck), and, adding insult to injury, there are conveyor belts on the floor that pull you into the boss if you step on them (see: same buttons for movement and boomerang). [[ThisLooksLikeAJobForAquaman Good thing you found that Quicksand Ring a while back,]] [[LuckBasedMission right?]]

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** The Ancient Ruins boss Manhandla, a giant Venus flytrap that shoots fireballs. Sounds easy enough, except that: you need to take out the heads with the boomerang, the heads are only vulnerable when they're shooting at you, the boomerang averts the "precise" part of PrecisionGuidedBoomerang when you're trying to guide it around (the heads are on all four sides), the boss gets faster with every head destroyed, you ''use the same buttons to move as to control the boomerang'' (making you a sitting duck), and, adding insult to injury, there are conveyor belts on the floor that pull you into the boss if you step on them (see: same buttons for movement and boomerang). [[ThisLooksLikeAJobForAquaman Good thing you found that Quicksand Ring a while back,]] back]], [[LuckBasedMission right?]]



** A few of the linked game mini-games can be this. With Seasons being the first game you beat, cutting grass with the Magic Boomerang in just 3 throws. With Ages as the first, the one that stands out is doing the sword batting cage mini game WITH THE BIGGORON SWORD.
** The Goron Dance on Platinum level requires up to 10 precisely timed button presses, and you have to do them perfect all eight times in order to get the Bomber's Ring, and there is no other way in either game to get it. The 3DS virtual console release inadvertently makes this much easier by allowing the player to make restore points during the dance between rounds, so you can just save scum until you nail it.
* ViewerGenderConfusion: Ricky being a [[AnimalGenderBender male kangaroo with a pouch]] didn't just confuse the fans. The ''Nintendo Power'' writers called Ricky a "he/him" in their first preview only to switch to "she/her" in the following preview, likely because the FridgeLogic set in. They went back to "he/him" during their mini-guide, presumably because they had gotten their hands on the game at that point and found out Ricky really was a guy. Zelda.com also originally referred to Ricky as a female, though given [[CowboyBebopAtHisComputer its horrid reputation]] that's not exactly surprising.

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** A few of the linked game mini-games can be this. With Seasons being the first game you beat, cutting grass with the Magic Boomerang in just 3 throws. With Ages ''Ages'' as the first, the one that stands out is doing the sword batting cage mini game WITH THE BIGGORON SWORD.
** The Goron Dance on Platinum level requires up to 10 precisely timed button presses, and you have to do them perfect all eight times in order to get the Bomber's Ring, and there is no other way in either game to get it. The 3DS virtual console UsefulNotes/VirtualConsole release inadvertently makes this much easier by allowing the player to make restore points during the dance between rounds, so you can just save scum until you nail it.
* ViewerGenderConfusion: Ricky being a [[AnimalGenderBender male kangaroo with a pouch]] didn't just confuse the fans. The ''Nintendo Power'' ''Magazine/NintendoPower'' writers called Ricky a "he/him" in their first preview only to switch to "she/her" in the following preview, likely because the FridgeLogic set in. They went back to "he/him" during their mini-guide, presumably because they had gotten their hands on the game at that point and found out Ricky really was a guy. Zelda.com also originally referred to Ricky as a female, though given [[CowboyBebopAtHisComputer its horrid reputation]] that's not exactly surprising.



** Both Veran and Onox were interesting villains with unique powers, cool character designs, and creative methods. However, the BigBad turns out to be Twinrova, with Ganon as the GreaterScopeVillain and TrueFinalBoss. Onox especially gets it bad. Unlike Veran who has plenty of personality, Onox is a FlatCharacter because we don't see him as often.

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** Both Veran and Onox were interesting villains with unique powers, cool character designs, and creative methods. However, the BigBad turns out to be Twinrova, with Ganon as the GreaterScopeVillain and TrueFinalBoss. Onox especially gets it bad. Unlike Veran Veran, who has plenty of personality, Onox is a FlatCharacter because we don't see him as often.
26th Dec '16 12:30:57 AM Sammettik
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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Ricky being a [[AnimalGenderBender male kangaroo with a pouch]] didn't just confuse the fans. The ''Nintendo Power'' writers called Ricky a "he/him" in their first preview only to switch to "she/her" in the following preview, likely because the FridgeLogic set in. They went back to "he/him" during their mini-guide, presumably because they had gotten their hands on the game at that point and found out Ricky really was a guy. Zelda.com also refers to Ricky as a female, though given [[CowboyBebopAtHisComputer its horrid reputation]] that's not exactly surprising.

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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Ricky being a [[AnimalGenderBender male kangaroo with a pouch]] didn't just confuse the fans. The ''Nintendo Power'' writers called Ricky a "he/him" in their first preview only to switch to "she/her" in the following preview, likely because the FridgeLogic set in. They went back to "he/him" during their mini-guide, presumably because they had gotten their hands on the game at that point and found out Ricky really was a guy. Zelda.com also refers originally referred to Ricky as a female, though given [[CowboyBebopAtHisComputer its horrid reputation]] that's not exactly surprising.
26th Dec '16 12:25:44 AM Sammettik
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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Ricky being a [[AnimalGenderBender male kangaroo with a pouch]] didn't just confuse the fans. The ''Nintendo Power'' writers called Ricky a "he/him" in their first preview only to switch to "she/her" in the following preview, likely because the FridgeLogic set in. They went back to "he/him" during their mini-guide, presumably because they had gotten their hands on the game at that point and found out Ricky really was a guy.

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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Ricky being a [[AnimalGenderBender male kangaroo with a pouch]] didn't just confuse the fans. The ''Nintendo Power'' writers called Ricky a "he/him" in their first preview only to switch to "she/her" in the following preview, likely because the FridgeLogic set in. They went back to "he/him" during their mini-guide, presumably because they had gotten their hands on the game at that point and found out Ricky really was a guy. Zelda.com also refers to Ricky as a female, though given [[CowboyBebopAtHisComputer its horrid reputation]] that's not exactly surprising.
11th Oct '16 3:24:35 PM diddyknux
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** The Uura ("hidden") and Tokagejin ("lizard-folk") races were dubbed as "Subrosians" (from the Latin ''sub rosa'', [[GeniusBonus referring to an old practice in which a rose was placed over a doorway to indicate a secret meeting]]) and "Tokay" (referring to a species of gecko).

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** The Uura ("hidden") and Tokagejin ("lizard-folk") races were dubbed translated as "Subrosians" (from the Latin ''sub rosa'', [[GeniusBonus referring to an old practice in which a rose was placed over a doorway to indicate a secret meeting]]) and "Tokay" (referring to a species of gecko).
5th Aug '16 12:03:26 PM finalsurvivor1
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** Both Veran and Onox were interesting villains with unique powers, cool character designs, and creative methods. However once again the BigBad turns out to be Ganon. Onox especially gets it bad. Unlike Veran who has plenty of personality, Onox is a FlatCharacter because we don't see him as often.

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** Both Veran and Onox were interesting villains with unique powers, cool character designs, and creative methods. However once again However, the BigBad turns out to be Ganon.Twinrova, with Ganon as the GreaterScopeVillain and TrueFinalBoss. Onox especially gets it bad. Unlike Veran who has plenty of personality, Onox is a FlatCharacter because we don't see him as often.
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