History YMMV / TheKillingJoke

22nd Dec '15 5:46:07 PM Tork
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* NightmareFuel: Yes.
16th Nov '15 9:05:32 AM MrDeath
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Not the trope. It's not interpreting a character. The latter factually does not happen.
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The ending can be seen as Batman laughing with the Joker, or Batman reaching out and snapping the Joker's neck, killing him.
1st Nov '15 5:04:51 AM JulianLapostat
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** Others [[http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2013/08/some-interpretations-are-fascinatingly-wrong-others-just-plain.html have argued]] that Batman killing Joker goes [[ComicallyMissingThePoint against the point of the story]] and Moore's stated regrets about the story. Moore wrote the story hoping to provide a psychologically compelling and grounded perspective on Joker's origins and his conflict with the Batman but [[DidntThinkThisThrough realized later]] that [[IndecisiveDeconstruction the fact that Batman and Joker are comic-book characters]] in the sense of being long-running serial characters, there can never really be a resolution to their conflict. The Joker will never be able to be cured because doing so would go against the function of his character and Batman won't kill because he wouldn't be a hero. The story and the title is a meta-commentary on the endless Batman-Joker rivalry and about the fact that there's no end to it, which both Batman and Joker realize at the end and laugh about.
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** Others [[http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2013/08/some-interpretations-are-fascinatingly-wrong-others-just-plain.html have argued]] that Batman killing Joker goes [[ComicallyMissingThePoint against the point of the story]] and Moore's stated regrets about the story. Moore wrote the story hoping to provide a psychologically compelling and grounded perspective on Joker's origins and his conflict with the Batman but [[DidntThinkThisThrough realized later]] that [[IndecisiveDeconstruction the fact that Batman and Joker are comic-book characters]] in the sense of being long-running serial characters, there can never really be a resolution to their conflict. The Joker will never be able to be cured because doing so would go against the function of his character and Batman won't kill because he wouldn't be a hero. The story and the title is a meta-commentary on the endless Batman-Joker rivalry and about the fact that there's no end to it, which both Batman and Joker realize at the end and laugh about. Alan Moore confirmed the satirical interpretation himself in [[https://www.goodreads.com/author/3961.Alan_Moore/questions a recent online question-and-answer, and states that he didn't intend Batman killing Joker]] at all: --> ''...my intention at the end of that book was to have the two characters simply experiencing a brief moment of lucidity in their ongoing very weird and probably fatal relationship with each other, reaching a moment where they both perceive the hell that they are in, and can only laugh at their preposterous situation.''
7th Sep '15 8:39:39 AM JulianLapostat
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** Others [[http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2013/08/some-interpretations-are-fascinatingly-wrong-others-just-plain.html have argued]] that Batman killing Joker goes [[ComicallyMissingThePoint against the point of the story]] and Moore's stated regrets about the story. Moore wrote the story hoping to provide a psychologically compelling and grounded perspective on Joker's origins and his conflict with the Batman but [[DidntThinkThisThrough realized later]] that [[IndecisiveDeconstruction the fact that Batman and Joker are comic-book characters]] in the sense of being long-running serial characters, there can never really be a resolution to their conflict. The Joker will never be able to be cured because doing so would go against the function of his character and Batman won't kill because he wouldn't be a hero. The story and the title is a meta-commentary on the endless Batman-Joker rivalry and about the fact that there's no end to it.
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** Others [[http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2013/08/some-interpretations-are-fascinatingly-wrong-others-just-plain.html have argued]] that Batman killing Joker goes [[ComicallyMissingThePoint against the point of the story]] and Moore's stated regrets about the story. Moore wrote the story hoping to provide a psychologically compelling and grounded perspective on Joker's origins and his conflict with the Batman but [[DidntThinkThisThrough realized later]] that [[IndecisiveDeconstruction the fact that Batman and Joker are comic-book characters]] in the sense of being long-running serial characters, there can never really be a resolution to their conflict. The Joker will never be able to be cured because doing so would go against the function of his character and Batman won't kill because he wouldn't be a hero. The story and the title is a meta-commentary on the endless Batman-Joker rivalry and about the fact that there's no end to it.it, which both Batman and Joker realize at the end and laugh about.
7th Sep '15 8:38:23 AM JulianLapostat
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** Others [[http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2013/08/some-interpretations-are-fascinatingly-wrong-others-just-plain.html have argued]] that Batman killing Joker goes [[ComicallyMissingThePoint against the point of the story]] and Moore's stated regrets about the story. Moore wrote the story hoping to provide a psychologically compelling and grounded perspective on Joker's origins and his conflict with the Batman but [[DidntThinkThisThrough realized later]] that [[IndecisiveDeconstruction the fact that Batman and Joker are comic-book characters]] in the sense of being long-running serial characters, there can never really be a resolution to their conflict. The Joker will never be able to be cured because doing so would go against the function of his character and Batman won't kill because he wouldn't be a hero. The story and the title is a meta-commentary on the endless Batman-Joker rivalry and about the fact that there's no end to it.
7th Sep '15 3:51:21 AM AnotherGuy
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The ending can be seen as Batman laughing with the Joker, or Batman reaching out and snapping the Joker's neck, killing him.
9th Aug '15 2:44:37 PM ThallianGold
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12th Jul '15 2:22:40 PM Lionheart0
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* BrokenBase: Arguably one of the most contested Batman stories ever written. There's many a debate over the merits of Barbara Gordon getting fridged and whether or not it actually lives up to the hype. For good or bad, it's become of the most iconic and influential stories on the Batman Mythos, [[CreatorBacklash something that Alan Moore has actually come to regret.]]
11th Jul '15 12:47:04 PM Anicomicgeek
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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: When it's revealed that [[spoiler:Commissioner Gordon withstood the Joker's MindRape]]. ** Batman's subsequent beatdown and TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to Joker. -->'''Joker''': [[VillainousBreakdown Why aren't you laughing?]] -->'''Batman''': [[PreAsskickingOneLiner Because I've heard it before. And it wasn't funny the first time.]] ** Drawings of Awesome - four different pieces of art from this work have become iconic for The Joker - #1. The cover image of The Joker aiming a camera at the reader, #2. The shot of Joker behind the door Barbara opens just before he shoots her, #3. Batman and The Joker laughing together in the rain (the middle panel), and especially #4. TheReveal of the Joker after coming out of the chemical bath, with the background filled with his laughter.
7th May '15 10:57:31 AM DoctorSleep
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* NeverLiveItDown: [[TheWoobie Poor Barbara]]. Most writers who use her just can't seem to look past [[DesignatedVictim that one hellish moment]] of her life. [http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/3/17/1426598380568/Batgirl-41-joker-variant--012.jpg This image]] proved to be the last straw for many fans.
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* NeverLiveItDown: [[TheWoobie Poor Barbara]]. Most writers who use her just can't seem to look past [[DesignatedVictim that one hellish moment]] of her life. [http://static.[[http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/3/17/1426598380568/Batgirl-41-joker-variant--012.jpg This image]] proved to be the last straw for many fans.
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