History YMMV / TheKillingJoke

27th Jul '16 5:32:52 PM spoonofevil
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** Multiple critics who watched the film adaptation pointed out that the scene where [[spoiler:Batman and Batgirl have sex]] was [[{{Squick}} extremely disturbing]] due to [[spoiler:the age difference between the two as well as Batman's traditional role as a surrogate father to Batgirl giving the scene heavily incestuous overtones.]]
27th Jul '16 5:30:26 PM spoonofevil
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* HypeBacklash: This was inevitable after all of the promotion the film adapation received, as well as its status as being the very first R-rated DC animated film ever. The inclusion of certain story elements that weren't in the original comic such as [[spoiler:Batman having sex with Barbara]] didn't help either.


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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The film version introduces a prologue section not included in the comics that's supposed to flesh out Barbara's backstory more. However, many fans believe they achieved the exact opposite and only served to objectify Barbara even more ''and'' destroy Batman's character.
25th Jul '16 9:53:29 PM Eagal
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** Website/TheAgonyBooth [[http://www.agonybooth.com/agonizer/How_The_Killing_Joke_Ruined_Batgirl.aspx was very critical]] of its StuffedIntoTheFridge treatment of Batgirl, who serves only as a helpless victim to the story.
** In the republished edition, Bolland adds an apology in the art sketch notes to all people with dwarfism for the three evil dwarf henchmen of the Joker.

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UnfortunateImplications: Website/TheAgonyBooth [[http://www.agonybooth.com/agonizer/How_The_Killing_Joke_Ruined_Batgirl.aspx was very critical]] of its StuffedIntoTheFridge treatment of Batgirl, who serves only as a helpless victim to the story.
** In the republished edition, Bolland adds an apology in the art sketch notes to all people with dwarfism for the three evil dwarf henchmen of the Joker.
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25th Jul '16 2:51:53 AM ClatoLawa
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* FirstInstallmentWins: The prologue added to [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/BatmanTheKillingJoke the animated version]] is highly contested, to say the least.

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* FirstInstallmentWins: The prologue added to [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/BatmanTheKillingJoke [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheKillingJoke the animated version]] is highly contested, to say the least.
25th Jul '16 2:51:22 AM ClatoLawa
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24th Jul '16 12:26:51 AM doorhandle
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* FirstInstallmentWins: The prologue added to [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/BatmanTheKillingJoke the animated version]] is highly contested, to say the least.
21st Jul '16 11:16:42 AM MrDeath
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* NightmareFuel: [[BluntYes Yes]].
17th Jul '16 9:16:05 PM ironballs16
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* NightmareFuel: Yes.

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* NightmareFuel: Yes.[[BluntYes Yes]].
17th Jul '16 9:12:48 PM ironballs16
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* EpilepticTrees: During a 2013 podcast with Creator/KevinSmith, Creator/GrantMorrison argued that the end of ''The Killing Joke'' in fact has Batman killing Joker, carefully interpreting the panels as evidence. He admitted that it was done in a way that was left to viewers. A very dark interpretation of the story but not unexpected from Moore. Artist Brian Bolland disagrees though, the comic's inclusion in the mainline DC canon clearly indicates it didn't happen, and the script for the comic says Batman and Joker just collapse helplessly in laughter. Though considering Moore's own ideas expressed in ''ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', the fact that it's canon or not would have little impact on his own vision for the story, which as of now is not known.\\\
Others [[http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2013/08/some-interpretations-are-fascinatingly-wrong-others-just-plain.html have argued]] that Batman killing Joker goes [[ComicallyMissingThePoint against the point of the story]] and Moore's stated regrets about the story. Moore wrote the story hoping to provide a psychologically compelling and grounded perspective on Joker's origins and his conflict with the Batman but [[DidntThinkThisThrough realized later]] that [[IndecisiveDeconstruction the fact that Batman and Joker are comic-book characters]] in the sense of being long-running serial characters, there can never really be a resolution to their conflict. The Joker will never be able to be cured because doing so would go against the function of his character and Batman won't kill because he wouldn't be a hero. The story and the title is a meta-commentary on the endless Batman-Joker rivalry and about the fact that there's no end to it, which both Batman and Joker realize at the end and laugh about. Alan Moore confirmed the satirical interpretation himself in [[https://www.goodreads.com/author/3961.Alan_Moore/questions a recent online question-and-answer, and states that he didn't intend Batman killing Joker]] at all:

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* EpilepticTrees: During a 2013 podcast with Creator/KevinSmith, Creator/GrantMorrison argued that the end of ''The Killing Joke'' in fact has Batman killing Joker, carefully interpreting the panels as evidence. He admitted that it was done in a way that was left to viewers. A very dark interpretation of the story but not unexpected from Moore. Artist Brian Bolland disagrees though, the comic's inclusion in the mainline DC canon clearly indicates it didn't happen, and the script for the comic says Batman and Joker just collapse helplessly in laughter. Though considering Moore's own ideas expressed in ''ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', the fact that it's canon or not would have little impact on his own vision for the story, which as of now is not known.\\\
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[[http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2013/08/some-interpretations-are-fascinatingly-wrong-others-just-plain.html have argued]] that Batman killing Joker goes [[ComicallyMissingThePoint against the point of the story]] and Moore's stated regrets about the story. Moore wrote the story hoping to provide a psychologically compelling and grounded perspective on Joker's origins and his conflict with the Batman but [[DidntThinkThisThrough realized later]] that [[IndecisiveDeconstruction the fact that Batman and Joker are comic-book characters]] in the sense of being long-running serial characters, there can never really be a resolution to their conflict. The Joker will never be able to be cured because doing so would go against the function of his character and Batman won't kill because he wouldn't be a hero. The story and the title is a meta-commentary on the endless Batman-Joker rivalry and about the fact that there's no end to it, which both Batman and Joker realize at the end and laugh about. Alan Moore confirmed the satirical interpretation himself in [[https://www.goodreads.com/author/3961.Alan_Moore/questions a recent online question-and-answer, and states that he didn't intend Batman killing Joker]] at all:
16th Jul '16 7:37:28 PM Mephistopheles
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodLineArt: Brian Bolland's opinion on the original version. He subdued the color palette considerably and added a few extra color details for the 20th-anniversary edition. Which in itself divided the fandom, with some arguing that the garish, acid-trip colours of the 80's original contributed to the nightmarish feel of the book. Tellingly, DC continues to publish reprints of the book with its original colouring.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodLineArt: Brian Bolland's opinion on the original version. He subdued the color palette considerably and added a few extra color details for the 20th-anniversary edition. Which in itself divided the fandom, with some arguing that the garish, acid-trip colours of the 80's original contributed to the nightmarish feel of the book. Tellingly, DC continues to publish reprints of the book with its original colouring.
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