History YMMV / TheKillingJoke

23rd Sep '17 11:54:42 AM Josef5678
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** Others [[http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2013/08/some-interpretations-are-fascinatingly-wrong-others-just-plain.html have argued]] that Batman killing Joker goes [[ComicallyMissingThePoint against the point of the story]] and Moore's stated regrets about the story. Moore wrote the story hoping to provide a psychologically compelling and grounded perspective on Joker's origins and his conflict with the Batman but [[DidntThinkThisThrough realized later]] that [[IndecisiveDeconstruction the fact that Batman and Joker are comic-book characters]] in the sense of being long-running serial characters, there can never really be a resolution to their conflict. The Joker will never be able to be cured because doing so would go against the function of his character and Batman won't kill because he wouldn't be a hero. The story and the title is a meta-commentary on the endless Batman-Joker rivalry and about the fact that there's no end to it, which both Batman and Joker realize at the end and laugh about. Alan Moore confirmed the satirical interpretation himself in [[https://www.goodreads.com/author/3961.Alan_Moore/questions a recent online question-and-answer, and states that he didn't intend Batman killing Joker]] at all:

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** Others [[http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2013/08/some-interpretations-are-fascinatingly-wrong-others-just-plain.html have argued]] that Batman killing Joker goes [[ComicallyMissingThePoint against the point of the story]] story and Moore's stated regrets about the story. Moore wrote the story hoping to provide a psychologically compelling and grounded perspective on Joker's origins and his conflict with the Batman but [[DidntThinkThisThrough realized later]] that [[IndecisiveDeconstruction the fact that Batman and Joker are comic-book characters]] in the sense of being long-running serial characters, there can never really be a resolution to their conflict. The Joker will never be able to be cured because doing so would go against the function of his character and Batman won't kill because he wouldn't be a hero. The story and the title is a meta-commentary on the endless Batman-Joker rivalry and about the fact that there's no end to it, which both Batman and Joker realize at the end and laugh about. Alan Moore confirmed the satirical interpretation himself in [[https://www.goodreads.com/author/3961.Alan_Moore/questions a recent online question-and-answer, and states that he didn't intend Batman killing Joker]] at all:
3rd Sep '17 1:40:21 AM Anddrix
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* FirstInstallmentWins: The prologue added to [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheKillingJoke the animated version]] is highly contested, to say the least.



* HypeBacklash: This was inevitable after all of the promotion the film adapation received, as well as its status as being the very first R-rated DC animated film ever. The inclusion of certain story elements that weren't in the original comic such as [[spoiler:Batman having sex with Barbara]] didn't help either.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The film version introduces a prologue section not included in the comics that's supposed to flesh out Barbara's backstory more. However, many fans believe they achieved the exact opposite and only served to objectify Barbara even more ''and'' destroy Batman's character.



** [[http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/08/02/batman-the-killing-joke-movie-review Multiple critics]] who watched the film adaptation pointed out that the scene where [[spoiler:Batman and Batgirl have sex]] was [[{{Squick}} extremely disturbing]] due to [[spoiler:the age difference between the two as well as Batman's traditional role as a surrogate father and mentor to Batgirl giving the scene heavily incestuous overtones.]]
3rd Aug '17 2:17:30 PM SPBurke
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* Tearjerker: At the end, Batman sincerely offers Joker a chance at rehabilitation and the chance to heal from his madness. For a second, the Joker appears lucid and seems to consider it, but solemnly declines. "Sorry, but no. It's too late for that. Far too late."

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* Tearjerker: TearJerker: At the end, Batman sincerely offers Joker a chance at rehabilitation and the chance to heal from his madness. For a second, the Joker appears lucid and seems to consider it, but solemnly declines. "Sorry, but no. It's too late for that. Far too late."
3rd Aug '17 2:17:02 PM SPBurke
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* Tearjerker: At the end, Batman sincerely offers Joker a chance at rehabilitation and the chance to heal from his madness. For a second, the Joker appears lucid and seems to consider it, but solemnly declines. "Sorry, but no. It's too late for that. Far too late."
6th Jun '17 4:52:28 PM PrincessGwen
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* MagnumOpusDissonance: Moore is reputed to consider this the ''weakest'' of his DC works, as he believes that the aesthetics of ''Watchmen'' were a poor fit for a "mere" Batman story. He later explained that ultimately Joker and Batman were intended to function as comic-book larger-than-life figures and are entertaining as such, but attempts to introduce realism would end up making the story nasty but without being as fun as a superhero comic. This later informed his attempts at {{Reconstruction}} of superhero comics in ''ComicBook/{{Supreme}}'' and AmericasBestComics label.
1st Apr '17 4:55:03 AM king3000
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Although The Joker's backstory is rather tragic, a lot of people will still find it impossible to sympathize with him, due to the fact that his backstory is ironically nothing compared to all the suffering he puts other characters through, especially in his other appearances.
29th Mar '17 3:28:08 AM HeyFella
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* JerkassWoobie: This is one of the very few Batman stories that can make one feel sorry for ''SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker'', even after the horrible and nightmarishly evil things he's done this time. Especially the scene towards the end, when Batman chases him. The Joker's face as he asks "Why aren't you laughing?" just breaks one's heart.

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* JerkassWoobie: This is one of the very few Batman stories that can make one feel sorry for ''SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker'', ''ComicBook/TheJoker'', even after the horrible and nightmarishly evil things he's done this time. Especially the scene towards the end, when Batman chases him. The Joker's face as he asks "Why aren't you laughing?" just breaks one's heart.
28th Oct '16 8:58:21 AM BatmanKalEl
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* JerkassWoobie: Believe it or not, the Joker in the final scene. Physically and psychologically defeated, he kneels on the ground, listening to Batman's [[LastSecondChance offer of rehabilitation]] and, in one {{Beat}} panel, appearing to seriously consider it, before saying sadly that it's "too late for that. Far too late," suggesting that there's a grain of sanity and humanity in there somewhere, albeit [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption not enough to make a difference]]. Thus, the work shows the Joker at his single most sympathetic and ''humane'' moment.

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* JerkassWoobie: Believe it or not, This is one of the Joker in the final scene. Physically and psychologically defeated, he kneels on the ground, listening to Batman's [[LastSecondChance offer of rehabilitation]] and, in one {{Beat}} panel, appearing to seriously consider it, before saying sadly very few Batman stories that it's "too late for that. Far too late," suggesting that there's a grain of sanity and humanity in there somewhere, albeit [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption not enough to can make a difference]]. Thus, one feel sorry for ''SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker'', even after the work shows horrible and nightmarishly evil things he's done this time. Especially the Joker at his single most sympathetic and ''humane'' moment.scene towards the end, when Batman chases him. The Joker's face as he asks "Why aren't you laughing?" just breaks one's heart.



* TearJerker: This is one of the very few Batman stories that can make one feel sorry for ''SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker'', even after the horrible and nightmarishly evil things he's done this time. Especially the scene towards the end, when Batman chases him. The Joker's face as he asks "Why aren't you laughing?" just breaks one's heart.
14th Aug '16 9:50:22 AM flyingfishcake
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** [[http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/08/02/batman-the-killing-joke-movie-review Multiple critics]] who watched the film adaptation pointed out that the scene where [[spoiler:Batman and Batgirl have sex]] was [[{{Squick}} extremely disturbing]] due to [[spoiler:the age difference between the two as well as Batman's traditional role as a surrogate father and mentor to Batgirl giving the scene heavily incestuous overtones.]]
29th Jul '16 3:27:42 AM ClintRider
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** Multiple critics who watched the film adaptation pointed out that the scene where [[spoiler:Batman and Batgirl have sex]] was [[{{Squick}} extremely disturbing]] due to [[spoiler:the age difference between the two as well as Batman's traditional role as a surrogate father to Batgirl giving the scene heavily incestuous overtones.]]
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