History YMMV / TheHouseOfTheSpirits

7th Jun '16 7:37:39 PM Piromano80
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: As part of the MagicalRealism of the novel we have Barrabas, the dog who won't stop growing. While he never gets to Clifford the Big Red Dog levels, the reader is treated to an...interesting subversion of BiggerIsBetterInBed which has absolutely nothing to do with the story and is never mentioned again.
* EvilCounterpart: Esteban Garcìa may also be this to his grandpa Esteban Trueba.
* HoYay / HomoeroticSubtext: Clara and Ferula form a very [[LesYay 'close' bond]]. Ferula feels guilty about her obsession with Clara and even [[ArmouredClosetGay goes to confession because of it.]] Esteban Trueba ends up noticing this and accuses Ferula of being a lesbian and trying to steal his wife and [[spoiler: kicks her out of the house.]] Clara's [[spoiler: 'monologue' to Ferula as she prepares her body for burial]] sounds very close to an AnguishedDeclarationOfLove at points. The book never clarifies whether or not their relationship is simply a RomanticTwoGirlFriendship or a non-platonic relationship.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: As part of the MagicalRealism of the novel we have Barrabas, the dog who won't stop growing. While he never gets to Clifford the Big Red Dog levels, Literature/CliffordTheBigRedDog levels of big, the reader is treated to an...interesting subversion of BiggerIsBetterInBed which has absolutely nothing to do with the story and is never mentioned again.
* EvilCounterpart: Esteban Garcìa García may also be this to his grandpa Esteban Trueba.
* HoYay / HomoeroticSubtext: Clara and Ferula Férula form a very [[LesYay 'close' bond]]. Ferula Férula feels guilty about her obsession with Clara and even [[ArmouredClosetGay goes to confession because of it.]] Esteban Trueba ends up noticing this and accuses Ferula Férula of being a lesbian and trying to steal his wife and [[spoiler: kicks her out of the house.]] Clara's [[spoiler: 'monologue' to Ferula Férula as she prepares her body for burial]] sounds very close to an AnguishedDeclarationOfLove at points. The book never clarifies whether or not their relationship is simply a RomanticTwoGirlFriendship or a non-platonic relationship.



* {{Squick}}: Quite a bit of it, but almost nothing can top [[spoiler: the description of Esteban's mother Ester's ''putrified'' legs when Esteban returns to her.]] It's so horrible that it's [[spoiler:Esteban, normally a super stoic and macho JerkAss, pretty much [[CryCute collapses]] in BerserkerTears when he leaves the room, launching into an angry and frustrated rant about how he's powerless to do anything for his mother's sake even after ten years of working himself sick to finally pull the Truebas out of poverty.]]

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* {{Squick}}: Quite a bit of it, but almost nothing can top [[spoiler: the description of Esteban's mother Ester's ''putrified'' ''putrefied'' legs when Esteban returns to her.]] It's so horrible that it's [[spoiler:Esteban, normally a super stoic and macho JerkAss, pretty much [[CryCute collapses]] in BerserkerTears when he leaves the room, launching into an angry and frustrated rant about how he's powerless to do anything for his mother's sake even after ten years of working himself sick to finally pull the Truebas out of poverty.]]



* WhatTheHellCastingAgency?: White actors Creator/MerylStreep, Creator/JeremyIrons, Creator/GlennClose and Creator/WinonaRyder as the main roles of Clara, Esteban, Ferula and Blanca. They were surrounded by almost all Latin-American people in the background. Granted they are meant to be rich high class people, who in Latin-America tend to be much whiter than the rest of the population, but still.
* TheWoobie: Waaaay too many.

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* WhatTheHellCastingAgency?: White actors Creator/MerylStreep, Creator/JeremyIrons, Creator/GlennClose and Creator/WinonaRyder as the main roles of Clara, Esteban, Ferula Férula and Blanca. They were surrounded by almost all Latin-American people in the background. Granted they are meant to be rich high class people, who in Latin-America tend to be much whiter than the rest of the population, but still.
* TheWoobie: Waaaay too many.
26th May '15 10:01:43 PM BobMcGuffin
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* {{Anvilicious}}: The main ones being "COMMUNISM IS GREAT" "FEMINISM!" and "AllMenArePerverts"

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* {{Anvilicious}}: The main ones being "COMMUNISM "SOCIALISM IS GREAT" GREAT!" "FEMINISM!" and "AllMenArePerverts"
3rd Nov '14 7:54:26 AM MagBas
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* UnfortunateImplications: This book has an obvious feminist slant, but it is really easy to see how it gets {{Anvilicious}} to the the point that it becomes a complete '''parody''' of what feminism actually is like. Nearly ALL of the male characters have repeated, very detailed mentions of how [[AManIsNotAVirgin much sexing up they do, ]] including a graphic description of a [[UpToEleven male]] [[UnfortunateImplications DOG]] (and his poor victim [[BiggusDickus becomes stuck in him]] and can't be removed without injury!) and a flash forward to show how two characters (who are young children at the time) [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment end up later having graphic sex with a prostitute (this is never mentioned or explained again)]]. The main male character is a [[StrawMisogynist misogynistic]] asshole who ends up [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping]] an absurd amount of women, many times for ''no'' reason at all. Nearly EVERY male character is victim to AccentuateTheNegative and AllMenArePerverts, while women are often reduced to poor woobie victims.
** Jean de Satigny is an extremely sterotypical character, fulfilling the [[NationalStereotypes 'effeminate, sissy Frenchman' stereotype]] and the drug using CampGay who spends far too much money on extravagant things and [[spoiler: shoots kinky gay pornography in the basement]]. Most people would probably consider this stereotypical to the point of being EXTREMELY homophobic, but it's played completely straight.
** There are two ([[HideYourLesbians one not explicitly described as such]]) gay characters in the novel. Ferula has an intense adoration for her sister-in-law Clara and [[SleepCute curls up next to her while she is asleep]] (whether or not that could be considered [[StalkerWithACrush kind of creepy]] is your decision). Jean de Satigny is a [[CampGay walking gay stereotype]] who as said above literally ends up [[spoiler: shooting kinky gay pornography in their basement]]. This gets disturbingly close to DepravedHomosexual, not to mention they both [[spoiler: [[BuryYourGays die]] LONG before the end of the novel]]
23rd Oct '14 9:09:02 AM RainFairy
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** There are two ([[HieYourLesbians one not explicitly described as such]]) gay characters in the novel. Ferula has an intense adoration for Clara and [[SleepCute curls up next to her while she is asleep]] (whether or not that could be considered [[StalkerWithACrush kind of creepy]] is your decision). Jean de Satigny is a [[CampGay walking gay stereotype]] who as said above literally ends up [[spoiler: shooting kinky gay pornography in their basement]]. This gets disturbingly close to DepravedHomosexual, not to mention they both [[spoiler: [[BuryYourGays die]] LONG before the end of the novel]]

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** There are two ([[HieYourLesbians ([[HideYourLesbians one not explicitly described as such]]) gay characters in the novel. Ferula has an intense adoration for her sister-in-law Clara and [[SleepCute curls up next to her while she is asleep]] (whether or not that could be considered [[StalkerWithACrush kind of creepy]] is your decision). Jean de Satigny is a [[CampGay walking gay stereotype]] who as said above literally ends up [[spoiler: shooting kinky gay pornography in their basement]]. This gets disturbingly close to DepravedHomosexual, not to mention they both [[spoiler: [[BuryYourGays die]] LONG before the end of the novel]]
23rd Oct '14 8:49:25 AM RainFairy
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* UnfortunateImplications: This book has an obvious feminist slant, but it is really easy to see how it gets {{Anvilicious}} to the the point that it becomes a complete '''parody''' of what feminism actually is like. Nearly ALL of the male characters have repeated, very detailed mentions of how [[AManIsNotAVirgin much sexing up they do, ]] including a graphic description of a [[UpToEleven male]] [[UnfortunateImplications DOG]] (and his poor victim [[BiggusDickus becomes stuck in him]] and can't be removed without injury!) and a flash forward to show how two characters (who are young children at the time) [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment end up later having graphic sex with a prostitute (this is never mentioned or explained again). The main male character is a ]][[StrawMisogynist misogynistic]] asshole who ends up [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping]] an absurd amount of women, many times for ''no'' reason at all. Nearly EVERY male character is victim to AccentuateTheNegative and AllMenArePerverts.

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* UnfortunateImplications: This book has an obvious feminist slant, but it is really easy to see how it gets {{Anvilicious}} to the the point that it becomes a complete '''parody''' of what feminism actually is like. Nearly ALL of the male characters have repeated, very detailed mentions of how [[AManIsNotAVirgin much sexing up they do, ]] including a graphic description of a [[UpToEleven male]] [[UnfortunateImplications DOG]] (and his poor victim [[BiggusDickus becomes stuck in him]] and can't be removed without injury!) and a flash forward to show how two characters (who are young children at the time) [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment end up later having graphic sex with a prostitute (this is never mentioned or explained again). again)]]. The main male character is a ]][[StrawMisogynist [[StrawMisogynist misogynistic]] asshole who ends up [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping]] an absurd amount of women, many times for ''no'' reason at all. Nearly EVERY male character is victim to AccentuateTheNegative and AllMenArePerverts.AllMenArePerverts, while women are often reduced to poor woobie victims.



** There are two (one not explicitly described as such) gay characters in the novel. Ferula has an intense adoration for Clara and [[SleepCute curls up next to her while she is asleep]] (whether or not that could be considered [[StalkerWithACrush kind of creepy]] is your decision). Jean de Satigny is a [[CampGay walking gay stereotype]] who as said above literally ends up [[spoiler: shooting kinky gay pornography in their basement]]. This gets disturbingly close to DepravedHomosexual not to mention they both [[spoiler: [[BuryYourGays die]] LONG before the end of the novel]]

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** There are two (one ([[HieYourLesbians one not explicitly described as such) such]]) gay characters in the novel. Ferula has an intense adoration for Clara and [[SleepCute curls up next to her while she is asleep]] (whether or not that could be considered [[StalkerWithACrush kind of creepy]] is your decision). Jean de Satigny is a [[CampGay walking gay stereotype]] who as said above literally ends up [[spoiler: shooting kinky gay pornography in their basement]]. This gets disturbingly close to DepravedHomosexual DepravedHomosexual, not to mention they both [[spoiler: [[BuryYourGays die]] LONG before the end of the novel]]
28th Sep '14 1:25:22 PM hujwernoo
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* UnfortunateImplications: This book has an obvious feminist slant, but it is really easy to see how it gets {{Anvilicious}} to the the point that it becomes a complete '''parody''' of what feminism actually is like. Nearly ALL of the male characters have repeated, very detailed mentions of how [[AManIsNotAVirgin much sexing up they do, ]] including a graphic description of a [[UpToEleven male]] [[UnfortunateImplications DOG]] (and his poor victim [[BiggusDickus becomes stuck in him]] and can't be removed without injury!) and a flash forward to show how two characters (who are young children at the time) [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment end up later having graphic sex with a prostitute (this is never mentioned or explained again). The main male character is a [[StrawMisogynist misogynistic]] asshole who ends up [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping]] an absurd amount of women, many times for ''no'' reason at all. Nearly EVERY male character is victim to AccentuateTheNegative and AllMenArePerverts.

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* UnfortunateImplications: This book has an obvious feminist slant, but it is really easy to see how it gets {{Anvilicious}} to the the point that it becomes a complete '''parody''' of what feminism actually is like. Nearly ALL of the male characters have repeated, very detailed mentions of how [[AManIsNotAVirgin much sexing up they do, ]] including a graphic description of a [[UpToEleven male]] [[UnfortunateImplications DOG]] (and his poor victim [[BiggusDickus becomes stuck in him]] and can't be removed without injury!) and a flash forward to show how two characters (who are young children at the time) [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment end up later having graphic sex with a prostitute (this is never mentioned or explained again). The main male character is a [[StrawMisogynist ]][[StrawMisogynist misogynistic]] asshole who ends up [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping]] an absurd amount of women, many times for ''no'' reason at all. Nearly EVERY male character is victim to AccentuateTheNegative and AllMenArePerverts.
21st Aug '14 9:21:20 PM Fireblood
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Esteban a complex, (very wrong)antagonist who has his own reasons? Or is a badly written, Lifetime Movie type villain who exists simply to KickTheDog every five minutes?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Esteban a complex, complex (very wrong)antagonist wrong) antagonist who has his own reasons? Or is he a badly written, Lifetime Movie type villain who exists simply to KickTheDog every five minutes?



* PragmaticAdaptation: The movie faithfully presents the main storyline, personalities and motivations, but compresses a lot of the plot and removes about half of the characters. Events on the book fold for about 50 years, but the movie storyline last 30 at most. The most noticeable changes are that Nicolás and Jaime are removed, and the plots of Blanca and Alba are compressed on the former. Alba still appears, but only as a small girl instead of her young adult incarnation.

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* PragmaticAdaptation: The movie faithfully presents the main storyline, personalities and motivations, but compresses a lot of the plot and removes about half of the characters. Events on the book fold unfold for about 50 years, but the movie storyline last lasts 30 at most. The most noticeable changes are that Nicolás and Jaime are removed, and the plots of Blanca and Alba are compressed on the former. Alba still appears, but only as a small girl instead of her young adult incarnation.



* UnfortunateImplications: This book has an obvious feminist slant, but it is really easy to see how it gets {{Anvilicious}} to the the point that it becomes a complet '''parody''' of what feminism actually is like. Nearly ALL of the male characters have repeated, very detailed mentions of how [[AManIsNotAVirgin much sexing up they do, ]] including a graphic description of a [[UpToEleven male]] [[UnfortunateImplications DOG]] (knots and his poor victim [[BiggusDickus becomes stuck on him]] and can't be removed without injury!) and a flash forward to show how two characters (who are young children at the time) [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment end up later having graphic sex with a prostitute. (It is never mentioned or explained again) ]] The main male character is a [[StrawMisogynist misogynistic]] asshole who ends up [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping]] an absurd amount of women, many times for ''no'' reason at all. Nearly EVERY male character is victim to AccentuateTheNegative and AllMenArePerverts.
** Jean de Satigny is an extremely sterotypical character, fufilling the [[NationalStereotypes 'effeminate, sissy Frenchman' stereotype]] and the drug using, CampGay who spends far too much money on extravagant things and [[spoiler: shoots kinky gay pornography in the basement]]. Most of people would probably consider this sterotypical to the point of being EXTREMELY homophobic, but it's played completely straight.
** There are two (one not explicitly described as such) gay characters in the novel. Ferula has an intense adoration for Clara and [[SleepCute curls up next to her while she is asleep.]] (Whether or not that could be considered as [[StalkerWithACrush kind of creepy]] is your decision) Jean de Satigny is a [[CampGay walking gay stereotype]] who as said above literally ends up [[spoiler: shooting kinky gay pornography in their basement]]. This gets disturbingly close to DepravedHomosexual not to mention they both [[spoiler: [[BuryYourGays die]] LONG before the end of the novel]]

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* UnfortunateImplications: This book has an obvious feminist slant, but it is really easy to see how it gets {{Anvilicious}} to the the point that it becomes a complet complete '''parody''' of what feminism actually is like. Nearly ALL of the male characters have repeated, very detailed mentions of how [[AManIsNotAVirgin much sexing up they do, ]] including a graphic description of a [[UpToEleven male]] [[UnfortunateImplications DOG]] (knots and (and his poor victim [[BiggusDickus becomes stuck on in him]] and can't be removed without injury!) and a flash forward to show how two characters (who are young children at the time) [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment end up later having graphic sex with a prostitute. (It prostitute (this is never mentioned or explained again) ]] again). The main male character is a [[StrawMisogynist misogynistic]] asshole who ends up [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping]] an absurd amount of women, many times for ''no'' reason at all. Nearly EVERY male character is victim to AccentuateTheNegative and AllMenArePerverts.
** Jean de Satigny is an extremely sterotypical character, fufilling fulfilling the [[NationalStereotypes 'effeminate, sissy Frenchman' stereotype]] and the drug using, using CampGay who spends far too much money on extravagant things and [[spoiler: shoots kinky gay pornography in the basement]]. Most of people would probably consider this sterotypical stereotypical to the point of being EXTREMELY homophobic, but it's played completely straight.
** There are two (one not explicitly described as such) gay characters in the novel. Ferula has an intense adoration for Clara and [[SleepCute curls up next to her while she is asleep.]] (Whether asleep]] (whether or not that could be considered as [[StalkerWithACrush kind of creepy]] is your decision) decision). Jean de Satigny is a [[CampGay walking gay stereotype]] who as said above literally ends up [[spoiler: shooting kinky gay pornography in their basement]]. This gets disturbingly close to DepravedHomosexual not to mention they both [[spoiler: [[BuryYourGays die]] LONG before the end of the novel]]



* WhatTheHellCastingAgency?: White actors Creator/MerylStreep, Creator/JeremyIrons, Creator/GlennClose and Creator/WinonaRyder as the main roles of Clara, Esteban, Ferula and Blanca. They were surrounded by almost all Latin-American people in the background. Granted, they are meant to be rich high class people, whom in Latin-America tend to be much whiter than the rest of the population, but still.

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* WhatTheHellCastingAgency?: White actors Creator/MerylStreep, Creator/JeremyIrons, Creator/GlennClose and Creator/WinonaRyder as the main roles of Clara, Esteban, Ferula and Blanca. They were surrounded by almost all Latin-American people in the background. Granted, Granted they are meant to be rich high class people, whom who in Latin-America tend to be much whiter than the rest of the population, but still.
10th Aug '14 4:08:17 PM TheMuse
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* UnfortunateImplications: This book has an obvious feminist slant, but it is really easy to see how it gets {{Anvilicious}} to the the point that it becomes a complet '''parody''' of what feminism actually is like. Nearly ALL of the male characters have repeated, very detailed mentions of how [[AManIsNotAVirgin much sexing up they do, ]] including a graphic description of a [[UpToEleven male]] [[UnfortunateImplications DOG]] (knots and his poor victim [[BiggusDickus becomes stuck on him]] and can't be removed without injury!) and a flash forward to show how two characters (who are young children at the time) [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment end up later having graphic sex with a prostitute. (It is never mentioned or explained again) ]] The main male character is a [[StrawMisogynist misogynistic]] asshole who ends up [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping]] an absurd amount of women, many times for ''no'' reason at all. Nearly EVERY male character is victim to AccentuateTheNegative and AllMenArePerverts... Note to Mrs. Allende: feminism is '''not''' and should '''never''' be about villainising men in such a ridiculous, {{anvilicious}} manner.
** Jean de Satigny is an extremely sterotypical character, fufilling the [[NationalStereotypes 'effeminate, sissy Frenchman' stereotype]] and the drug using, CampGay who spends far too much money on extravagant things and [[spoiler: shoots kinky gay pornography in the basement]]. Alot of people would probably consider this sterotypical to the point of being homophobic, but it's played completely straight.
** There are two (one not explicitly described as such) gay characters in the novel. Ferula has an intense adoration for Clara and doesn't do more that [[SleepCute curl up next to her while she is asleep.]] (Whether or not that could be considered as [[StalkerWithACrush kind of creepy]] is your descision) Jean de Satigny is a [[CampGay walking gay stereotype]] who as said above literally ends up [[spoiler: shooting kinky gay pornography in their basement]]. This gets disturbingly close to HomosexualsAreDepraved.

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* UnfortunateImplications: This book has an obvious feminist slant, but it is really easy to see how it gets {{Anvilicious}} to the the point that it becomes a complet '''parody''' of what feminism actually is like. Nearly ALL of the male characters have repeated, very detailed mentions of how [[AManIsNotAVirgin much sexing up they do, ]] including a graphic description of a [[UpToEleven male]] [[UnfortunateImplications DOG]] (knots and his poor victim [[BiggusDickus becomes stuck on him]] and can't be removed without injury!) and a flash forward to show how two characters (who are young children at the time) [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment end up later having graphic sex with a prostitute. (It is never mentioned or explained again) ]] The main male character is a [[StrawMisogynist misogynistic]] asshole who ends up [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping]] an absurd amount of women, many times for ''no'' reason at all. Nearly EVERY male character is victim to AccentuateTheNegative and AllMenArePerverts... Note to Mrs. Allende: feminism is '''not''' and should '''never''' be about villainising men in such a ridiculous, {{anvilicious}} manner.
AllMenArePerverts.
** Jean de Satigny is an extremely sterotypical character, fufilling the [[NationalStereotypes 'effeminate, sissy Frenchman' stereotype]] and the drug using, CampGay who spends far too much money on extravagant things and [[spoiler: shoots kinky gay pornography in the basement]]. Alot Most of people would probably consider this sterotypical to the point of being EXTREMELY homophobic, but it's played completely straight.
** There are two (one not explicitly described as such) gay characters in the novel. Ferula has an intense adoration for Clara and doesn't do more that [[SleepCute curl curls up next to her while she is asleep.]] (Whether or not that could be considered as [[StalkerWithACrush kind of creepy]] is your descision) decision) Jean de Satigny is a [[CampGay walking gay stereotype]] who as said above literally ends up [[spoiler: shooting kinky gay pornography in their basement]]. This gets disturbingly close to HomosexualsAreDepraved.DepravedHomosexual not to mention they both [[spoiler: [[BuryYourGays die]] LONG before the end of the novel]]
10th Aug '14 4:04:10 PM TheMuse
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* IdiotBall: Blanca, your husband was an [[CampGay extremely effeminate]] man who [[IncrediblyBadPun straight]] up told you he didn't want to have sex with you. What were you expecting?

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* IdiotBall: Blanca, your husband was an [[CampGay extremely effeminate]] man who [[IncrediblyBadPun [[IncrediblyLamePun straight]] up told you he didn't want to have sex with you. What were you expecting?
5th Aug '14 8:16:47 PM nitpickeryandsuch
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Esteban García repeatedly rapes Alba. Not only rapes her, but does so while mocking her for being a Trueba.]].

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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Esteban García repeatedly rapes Alba. Not only rapes her, but does so while mocking her for being a Trueba.]].]]
* PragmaticAdaptation: The movie faithfully presents the main storyline, personalities and motivations, but compresses a lot of the plot and removes about half of the characters. Events on the book fold for about 50 years, but the movie storyline last 30 at most. The most noticeable changes are that Nicolás and Jaime are removed, and the plots of Blanca and Alba are compressed on the former. Alba still appears, but only as a small girl instead of her young adult incarnation.



* PragmaticAdaptation: The movie faithfully presents the main storyline, personalities and motivations, but compresses a lot of the plot and removes about half of the characters. Events on the book fold for about 50 years, but the movie storyline last 30 at most. The most noticeable changes are that Nicolás and Jaime are removed, and the plots of Blanca and Alba are compressed on the former. Alba still appears, but only as a small girl instead of her young adult incarnation.
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