History YMMV / TheGodfather

11th Jun '18 4:20:26 PM 43110
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** Vito. Michael flirts with it but lacks the raw charisma to truly clinch the deal.
** Hyman Roth almost took down Michael and the Corleone family while dying from heart disease.
** Likewise, Barzini sets in motion all the turmoil the Corleones face, gets the access to the political muscle the Corleones had that we wanted, chips away at their territory and convinces several of their associates to turn. And even Don Vito doesn't realize it's him until more than half through the film. It's only when he tries to put them away for good does he overreach himself.

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** Vito. Michael flirts with it but lacks ''The Godfather: Part I'': Vito Corleone, the raw charisma to truly clinch Godfather himself, is the deal.
** Hyman Roth almost took down Michael and
charismatic head of the Corleone family while dying who [[RagsToRiches started the crime family from heart disease.
** Likewise, Barzini sets
nothing]]. After being bullied in motion his youth by the supposed mafioso Don Fanucci, Vito soon outplayed and disposed of him, becoming a "treasured friend" to the neighborhood who traded favor for favor. Even in his old age, Vito is the true strength of the Corleone family, who holds most of New York's judges and politicians in his pocket. When he is gunned down by the assassins of Virgil Sollozzo, Vito later returns after his eldest son's death, but uses a peace summit to determine who the true mastermind of the war was before making plans so his son Michael will wipe out all the turmoil enemies of the Corleones face, gets the access to the political muscle the Corleones had that we wanted, chips away at their territory and convinces several of their associates to turn. And family, even Don after Vito's death. An iconic who defined TheDon, Vito doesn't realize it's him until more than half misses little chance to show why he is the most talented and powerful Don in the nation.
** ''The Godfather: Part II'': Hyman Roth, seeking revenge for his protege and friend Moe Greene at Michael's hands, has Michael's brother Fredo manipulated into giving his men a chance to murder Michael. Also manipulating a situation in New York
through his proxies the film. It's only when he tries to put Rosato Brothers, Roth has them away attempt to murder Michael's New York caporegime, Frank Pentangelli, while making him think it was Michael's doing. Roth then uses Frank's survival to get him to turn witness for good does he overreach himself.the State, even buying out the members of the Senate's investigative committee so Michael will be personally indicted. [[SoftSpokenSadist Soft spoken and relaxed]], Roth hides an [[WolfInSheepsClothing utterly devious mind]], seeking personal revenge under the guise of everything being "strictly business" and comes closest to bringing Michael down.
10th Jun '18 6:19:17 PM nombretomado
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* NoProblemWithLicensedGames: Neither will win awards, but they are still solid and fun sandbox games.

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* NoProblemWithLicensedGames: SugarWiki/NoProblemWithLicensedGames: Neither will win awards, but they are still solid and fun sandbox games.
2nd May '18 6:36:22 PM dmcreif
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** Additionally, three actors were nominated for Part II, but John Cazale wasn't among them, even with Fredo taking on an emotional crux in the latter portions of the film. Cazale deserves special mention: during his sadly short lifetime he appeared in five movies, all of which were at least nominated for Best Picture (he also appeared in StockFootage for a flashback scene in Part III, which was also nominated). No other actor can claim every role he made was in a Best Picture nominee.

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** Additionally, three actors were nominated for Part II, but John Cazale wasn't among them, even with Fredo taking on an emotional crux in the latter portions of the film. Cazale deserves special mention: during his sadly short lifetime that got cut by lung cancer at the age of 42, he appeared in five movies, all of which were at least nominated for Best Picture (he also appeared in StockFootage for a flashback scene in Part III, which was also nominated). No other actor can claim every role he made was in a Best Picture nominee.
23rd Apr '18 7:33:33 PM X2X
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** The singer at the New Years Eve party in Part II is Ivonne Coll, now well known as Alba in ''Series/JaneTheVirgin''.

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** The singer at the New Years Eve party in Part II ''Part II'' is Ivonne Coll, now well known well-known as Alba in ''Series/JaneTheVirgin''.



** Also in Part II, Creator/HarryDeanStanton is one of the FBI guys guarding Frank Pentagelli when he's a witness for the Senate against Michael.

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** Also in Part II, ''Part II'', Creator/HarryDeanStanton is one of the FBI guys guarding Frank Pentagelli when he's a witness for the Senate against Michael.



** One of the children in Part III is Jessica [=DiCocco=], a voice actress known for more recent works such as ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' (Flame Princess), ''VideoGame/ResonanceOfFate'' (Leanne) and ''Anime/FateStayNightUnlimitedBladeWorks''.

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** One of the children in Part III ''Part III'' is Jessica [=DiCocco=], Creator/JessicaDiCicco, a voice actress known for more recent works such as ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' (Flame Princess), ''VideoGame/ResonanceOfFate'' (Leanne) and ''Anime/FateStayNightUnlimitedBladeWorks''.''Anime/FateStayNightUnlimitedBladeWorks'' (Yukika Saegusa).



** Mary Corleone. Creator/SofiaCoppola's performance as Mary in the third film is hated by nearly all. Compounding the issue is the apparent nepotism of her casting. She was actually cast only because Winona Ryder backed out at the last minute and there was no time to get another actress. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Sofia fared MUCH better as a film director]].

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** Mary Corleone. Creator/SofiaCoppola's performance as Mary in the third film is hated by nearly all. Compounding the issue is the apparent nepotism of her casting. She was actually cast only because Winona Ryder backed out at the last minute and there was no time to get another actress. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Sofia fared MUCH better as a film director]].director.]]



** Fans of Creator/MartinScorsese's gangster films as well as ''Series/TheSopranos'' sometimes attack ''Film/TheGodfather'' for having a too romantic view of the mob and sentimentalizing TheMafia. At the time Coppola made the film, romanticizing the mob was the radical thing to do, since all gangster films before it had been too {{Anvilicious}} and painted gangsters as one-dimensional thugs with no personalities. To radically break from the tropes that existed before, Coppola and Puzo, went to the opposite end and overlaid the style (with Coppola even comparing it to an Opera). The films by Scorsese and others that followed were more realistic in emphasizing the violence and sociopathy [[TakeAThirdOption of the mob life but they also sought]] to make them three-dimensional relatable characters the way ''The Godfather'' did, which does at times make ''The Godfather'' take on the crime family and genre feel a little off, mixed as it is with EpicMovie and old-fashioned Hollywood touches.

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** Fans of Creator/MartinScorsese's gangster films as well as ''Series/TheSopranos'' sometimes attack ''Film/TheGodfather'' for having a too romantic view of the mob and sentimentalizing TheMafia. At the time Coppola made the film, romanticizing the mob was the radical thing to do, since all gangster films before it had been too {{Anvilicious}} and painted gangsters as one-dimensional thugs with no personalities. To radically break from the tropes that existed before, Coppola and Puzo, went to the opposite end and overlaid the style (with Coppola even comparing it to an Opera).opera). The films by Scorsese and others that followed were more realistic in emphasizing the violence and sociopathy [[TakeAThirdOption of the mob life but they also sought]] to make them three-dimensional relatable characters the way ''The Godfather'' did, which does at times make ''The Godfather'' take on the crime family and genre feel a little off, mixed as it is with EpicMovie and old-fashioned Hollywood touches.
13th Apr '18 11:11:52 AM AmuckCricetine
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* AdaptationDisplacement: The original novel by Mario Puzo is less well-known to modern audiences than the films. The way that the films are titled "Mario Puzo's The Godfather" were actually an attempt by Creator/FrancisFordCoppola to avoid this. This has started to turn around, though not exactly in a way Puzo would appreciate: it's something of a meme that one of the greatest movies ever made was based on an airport potboiler that's SoOkayItsAverage at best.

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* AdaptationDisplacement: The original novel by Mario Puzo is less well-known to modern audiences than the films. The way that the films are titled "Mario ''Mario Puzo's The Godfather" Godfather'' were actually an attempt by Creator/FrancisFordCoppola to avoid this. This has started to turn around, though not exactly in a way Puzo would appreciate: it's something of a meme that one of the greatest movies ever made was based on an airport potboiler that's SoOkayItsAverage at best.



** This might seem churlish in light of the fact the first two movies each won Best Picture and numerous other Oscars besides (though Coppola lost Best Director for the first one to [[Theatre/{{Cabaret}} Bob Fosse]], he won for the second one), but amazingly enough, Gordon Willis' seminal camerawork in the first two movies wasn't even ''nominated.'' Think about that.

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** This might seem churlish in light of the fact the first two movies each won Best Picture and numerous other Oscars besides (though Coppola lost Best Director for the first one to [[Theatre/{{Cabaret}} Bob Fosse]], Creator/BobFosse for ''Film/{{Cabaret}}'', he won for the second one), but amazingly enough, Gordon Willis' seminal camerawork in the first two movies wasn't even ''nominated.'' Think about that.



* MisaimedFandom:
** More than a few people have, when discussing the film, referred to Michael as the ultimate Bad Ass. Smart, powerful, decisive, etc. That is not the point of his character arc. His story is a tragedy. Real-life mobsters are huge fans of the trilogy.

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* MisaimedFandom:
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MisaimedFandom: More than a few people have, when discussing the film, referred to Michael as the ultimate Bad Ass. Smart, powerful, decisive, etc. That is not the point of his character arc. His story is a tragedy. Real-life mobsters are huge fans of the trilogy.



** Mary Corleone. Sofia Coppola's performance as Mary in the third film is hated by nearly all. Compounding the issue is the apparent nepotism of her casting. She was actually cast only because Winona Ryder backed out at the last minute and there was no time to get another actress. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Sofia fared MUCH better as a film director]].

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** Mary Corleone. Sofia Coppola's Creator/SofiaCoppola's performance as Mary in the third film is hated by nearly all. Compounding the issue is the apparent nepotism of her casting. She was actually cast only because Winona Ryder backed out at the last minute and there was no time to get another actress. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Sofia fared MUCH better as a film director]].



10th Apr '18 8:30:54 PM DoctorBob
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***The evidence against Carlo is pretty unconvincing. His confession is completely coerced. And why would he coordinate a phone call to enrage Connie when he felt he could abuse her at will?
9th Mar '18 9:53:03 AM Thibaud
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** Michael Corleone fits this trope every bit as well as his father, as demonstrated when [[spoiler:he has his troops wipe out the heads of all the Five Families during the church ceremony near the end of ''Part I'' while [[ChurchgoingVillain he himself promises to renounce the Devil and his works]] and becomes a literal godfather to his nephew]]. Or just listen to this quote from ''Part II'':

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** Michael Corleone fits this trope every bit as well as his father, as demonstrated when [[spoiler:he has his troops wipe out the heads of all the Five Families during the church ceremony near the end of ''Part I'' while [[ChurchgoingVillain he himself promises promises, in the name of his godson, to renounce the Devil and his works]] and becomes a literal godfather to his nephew]]. Or just listen to this quote from ''Part II'':
27th Feb '18 9:19:04 AM Daefaroth
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** Until ''The Godfather'' there were many crime movies, many great films, that more or less covered the themes it did, but this was the first mainstream commercial film to fully embrace the perspective of a VillainProtagonist who remains sympathetic despite being and remaining a criminal who goes unpunished legally. It was the first film to fully take advantage of the end of the moral censorship of UsefulNotes/TheHaysCode, after all even ''Film/BonnieAndClyde'' ended (for historical reasons) with the charming villain protagonists dead. The sequels also subvert many of the old crime movie tropes, such as RedemptionQuest, the cops and the government trying to end the mob (they actually go into business together) and even the ''Film/AngelsWithDirtyFaces'' concept of a priest reforming a criminal in ''The Godfather Part III'', while also deconstructing and even mocking the idea of Italian-Americans needing to be a model minority from the {{WASP}} establishment (who are shown in the film to be just as corrupt and not in any way morally superior), that was featured in the original ''Film/{{Scarface 1932}}''.

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** Until ''The Godfather'' there were many crime movies, many great films, that more or less covered the themes it did, but this was the first mainstream commercial film to fully embrace the perspective of a VillainProtagonist who remains sympathetic despite being and remaining a criminal who goes unpunished legally. It was the first film to fully take advantage of the end of the moral censorship of UsefulNotes/TheHaysCode, after all even ''Film/BonnieAndClyde'' ended (for historical reasons) with the charming villain protagonists dead. The sequels also subvert many of the old crime movie tropes, such as RedemptionQuest, the cops and the government trying to end the mob (they actually go into business together) and even the ''Film/AngelsWithDirtyFaces'' concept of a priest reforming a criminal in ''The Godfather Part III'', while also deconstructing and even mocking the idea of Italian-Americans needing to be a model minority from the {{WASP}} [[WhiteAngloSaxonProtestant WASP]] establishment (who are shown in the film to be just as corrupt and not in any way morally superior), that was featured in the original ''Film/{{Scarface 1932}}''.
26th Feb '18 7:42:34 AM TheMountainKing
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** It also did this for Italian-American and ethnic Americans in general. Before ''Film/TheGodfather'', Italian-Americans were usually considered {{Funny Foreigner}}s in Hollywood movies and the general look of Hollywood was fairly [=WASPy=]. While films feature Italian-Americans and other hyphenated immigrant Americans did exist before, it was usually seen as a niche film. Film/TheGodfather brought the immigrant experience to the mainstream, and its critical, sympathetic and down-to-earth portrayal of Italian Americans, while ironically catering to TheMafia stereotype, broke all the cliches with American audiences identifying with Michael Corleone to the same extent they once identified with [[Film/GoneWithTheWind Scarlett O'Hara]].

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** It also did this for Italian-American and ethnic Americans in general. Before ''Film/TheGodfather'', Italian-Americans were usually considered {{Funny Foreigner}}s in Hollywood movies and the general look of Hollywood was fairly [=WASPy=]. While films feature Italian-Americans and other hyphenated immigrant Americans did exist before, it was usually seen as a niche film. Film/TheGodfather ''Film/TheGodfather'' brought the immigrant experience to the mainstream, and its critical, sympathetic and down-to-earth portrayal of Italian Americans, while ironically catering to TheMafia stereotype, broke all the cliches with American audiences identifying with Michael Corleone to the same extent they once identified with [[Film/GoneWithTheWind Scarlett O'Hara]].
26th Feb '18 7:27:40 AM TheMountainKing
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** This movie's fandom has one with ''Film/TheDarkKnight'''s, and now, ''Film/TheShawshankRedemption'''s, over which movie deserves to be #1 on IMDB's Top 250 movies of all time list, see Shawshank's YMMV page for full details.

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** This movie's fandom has one with ''Film/TheDarkKnight'''s, ''Film/TheDarkKnight's'', and now, ''Film/TheShawshankRedemption'''s, ''Film/TheShawshankRedemption's'', over which movie deserves to be #1 on IMDB's Top 250 movies of all time list, see Shawshank's ''Shawshank'''s YMMV page for full details.



** It also did this for Italian-American and ethnic Americans in general. Before Film/TheGodfather, Italian-Americans were usually considered {{Funny Foreigner}}s in Hollywood movies and the general look of Hollywood was fairly [=WASPy=]. While films feature Italian-Americans and other hyphenated immigrant Americans did exist before, it was usually seen as a niche film. Film/TheGodfather brought the immigrant experience to the mainstream, and its critical, sympathetic and down-to-earth portrayal of Italian Americans, while ironically catering to TheMafia stereotype, broke all the cliches with American audiences identifying with Michael Corleone to the same extent they once identified with [[Film/GoneWithTheWind Scarlett O'Hara]].

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** It also did this for Italian-American and ethnic Americans in general. Before Film/TheGodfather, ''Film/TheGodfather'', Italian-Americans were usually considered {{Funny Foreigner}}s in Hollywood movies and the general look of Hollywood was fairly [=WASPy=]. While films feature Italian-Americans and other hyphenated immigrant Americans did exist before, it was usually seen as a niche film. Film/TheGodfather brought the immigrant experience to the mainstream, and its critical, sympathetic and down-to-earth portrayal of Italian Americans, while ironically catering to TheMafia stereotype, broke all the cliches with American audiences identifying with Michael Corleone to the same extent they once identified with [[Film/GoneWithTheWind Scarlett O'Hara]].
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