History YMMV / TheFirstLaw

30th Oct '17 10:48:30 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Bayaz at first appears to be a kindly, if grumpy, old wizard-mentor archetype. The truth is far more sinister. Bayaz has been the secret puppet master of The Union for centuries, sending countless men to pointless deaths against his RivalTurnedEvil Khalul, who supposed betrayed his and Bayaz's master. While Khalul is a threat with his incredible magic power and legion of [[IAmAHumanitarian Eaters]], those who have gained sinister powers upon eating human flesh, Bayaz manages to be far worse. He sadistically dominates the new king when the young man tries to stand up to him, revealing him as nothing more than an expendable SonOfAWhore, and his whole plan of setting up a puppet king in the first place was so that he could crush any dissenting opinions and increase his autocratic hold on the Union, and achieving that end involved numerous evil acts including ordering the murders of social reformers and sabotaging efforts at making peace with Gurkhul. After using the magical equivalent of a WMD that wipes out a huge faction of his own men, Bayaz's only response is a satisfied grin and to say "It works, " not caring the slightest about the massive civilian casualties. Making things even worse, every justification Bayaz uses to justify his means of fighting Khalul turn out to be a lie. Bayaz was the traitor and killed his own lover and Khalul only fell to darkness in order to bring Bayaz to justice. In fact, even Bayaz's professed abhorrence of Eaters turns out to be a lie, as Bayaz made his loyal sidekick Yoru Sulfur an Eater and over the course of the series, Sulfur [[EatenAlive eats alive]] two people to facilitate Bayaz's schemes. Bayaz is driven entirely by ego and spite, wanting nothing more than to crush Khalul for daring to oppose him, and enforcing an oppressive regime over the Union based entirely about satisfying his own megalomania.]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Bayaz at first appears to be a kindly, if grumpy, old wizard-mentor archetype. The truth He claims that he's a hero who fights the evil Khalul to prevent evil from consuming the land, but the story is far more sinister. built on a lie. In reality, Bayaz has been the secret puppet master of The Union for centuries, sending countless men to pointless deaths against his RivalTurnedEvil Khalul, is a treacherous and power-mad tyrant who supposed betrayed his lover Tolomei and her father the Maker, which got his mentor Juvens killed in the process. Since then, he has waged an eternal proxy war against Khalul, who is bent on avenging Bayaz's master. While Khalul is a threat with his incredible magic power and legion of [[IAmAHumanitarian Eaters]], those who have gained sinister powers upon eating human flesh, treachery. Both Bayaz manages to be far worse. He sadistically dominates the new king when the young man tries to stand up to him, revealing him as nothing more than an expendable SonOfAWhore, and his whole plan of setting up a puppet king in the first place was so that he could crush any dissenting opinions and increase his autocratic hold on the Union, and achieving that end involved numerous evil acts including ordering the murders of social reformers and sabotaging efforts at making peace with Gurkhul. After using the magical equivalent of a WMD that wipes out a huge faction of his own men, Bayaz's only response is a satisfied grin and to say "It works, " not caring the slightest about the massive civilian casualties. Making things even worse, every justification Bayaz uses to justify his means of fighting Khalul turn out to be a lie. Bayaz was the traitor and killed his own lover and Khalul only fell to darkness indulge in order to bring Bayaz to justice. In fact, even Bayaz's professed abhorrence of Eaters turns out to be a lie, as Bayaz made his loyal sidekick Yoru Sulfur an Eater and over the course of the series, Sulfur [[EatenAlive eats alive]] two people to facilitate Bayaz's schemes. Bayaz is driven entirely by ego and spite, wanting nothing more than to crush Khalul for daring to oppose him, and enforcing an apocalyptic magic, support oppressive regime over regimes and send countless people to their deaths for the Union based entirely about satisfying his own megalomania.]]sake of their enmity]].



* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: Glokta berates West for never coming to visit him after he returned from being tortured by the Gurkhish. West responds that he came, but was turned away--twice. Only moments before, Glokta had been thinking about how he neither had, wanted, nor needed friends. After this revelation, he suddenly sees his friendship with West as a precious thing.

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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: Glokta berates West for never coming to visit him after he returned from being tortured by the Gurkhish. West responds that he came, but was turned away--twice. Only moments before, Glokta had been thinking about how he neither had, wanted, nor needed did not have, want, or need friends. After this revelation, he suddenly sees his friendship with West as a precious thing.
4th Oct '17 12:52:45 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* {{Anvilicious}} - ''The Heroes'' is pretty unsubtle with its WarIsHell message...

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* {{Anvilicious}} - {{Anvilicious}}: ''The Heroes'' is pretty unsubtle with its WarIsHell message...



* CrazyAwesome - The ever-quotable Whirrun of Bligh.

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* CrazyAwesome - CrazyAwesome: The ever-quotable Whirrun of Bligh.



* CrossesTheLineTwice - For the most part the books avoid this, but ''Best Served Cold'' provides one example. Despite the tone of the series, it's sarcasm.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice - CrossesTheLineTwice: For the most part the books avoid this, but ''Best Served Cold'' provides one example. Despite the tone of the series, it's sarcasm.



* EvilIsSexy - Caurib, Bethod's sorceress, is described as frighteningly beautiful. [[spoiler:Tolomei]] was certainly a looker as well.
* HarsherInHindsight - One of the few heartwarming moments in the trilogy is early on, when Logen saves Quai's life by carrying the apprentice to safety, despite A) Being on the verge of starvation himself, and B) Hardly knowing the man he risked his life to save. [[spoiler:Then we find out Quai was [[KillAndReplace Killed And Replaced]] before the first book was even more, making Logen's heroism pointless]].
* JerkassWoobie - Inquisitor Glokta. He certainly doesn't do much that merits sympathy, but at the same time it's impossible not to pity his broken body and wish him a miraculous recovery, even if it would only serve to make him do horrible things more efficiently.

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* EvilIsSexy - EvilIsSexy: Caurib, Bethod's sorceress, is described as frighteningly beautiful. [[spoiler:Tolomei]] was certainly a looker as well.
* HarsherInHindsight - HarsherInHindsight: One of the few heartwarming moments in the trilogy is early on, when Logen saves Quai's life by carrying the apprentice to safety, despite A) Being on the verge of starvation himself, and B) Hardly knowing the man he risked his life to save. [[spoiler:Then we find out Quai was [[KillAndReplace Killed And Replaced]] before the first book was even more, making Logen's heroism pointless]].
* JerkassWoobie - JerkassWoobie:
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Inquisitor Glokta. He certainly doesn't do much that merits sympathy, but at the same time it's impossible not to pity his broken body and wish him a miraculous recovery, even if it would only serve to make him do horrible things more efficiently.



* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped - ''The Heroes'' has a lot of sub-messages that usually escape Anti-War books. Supply lines are long, arduous, and rarely efficient. Petty, stupid rivalries on your own side can be far more deadly than the enemy. Sometimes, the most unlikely men are actually courageous, and they rarely receive the glory they deserve. It goes on and on to subvert the stereotypical image of a [[HollywoodTactics smoothly-running, well-trained professional army.]]

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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped - SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: ''The Heroes'' has a lot of sub-messages that usually escape Anti-War books. Supply lines are long, arduous, and rarely efficient. Petty, stupid rivalries on your own side can be far more deadly than the enemy. Sometimes, the most unlikely men are actually courageous, and they rarely receive the glory they deserve. It goes on and on to subvert the stereotypical image of a [[HollywoodTactics smoothly-running, well-trained professional army.]]
4th Oct '17 12:50:54 PM CaptainCrawdad
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** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped - It's got a lot of sub-messages that usually escape Anti-War books. Supply lines are long, arduous, and rarely efficient. Petty, stupid rivalries on your own side can be far more deadly than the enemy. Sometimes, the most unlikely men are actually courageous, and they rarely receive the glory they deserve. It goes on and on to subvert the stereotypical image of a [[HollywoodTactics smoothly-running, well-trained professional army.]] YMMV, but it's about time someone pointed out that there's a REASON armies rarely rose above forty thousand men before the Industrial Revolution.



** By the end of ''The Heroes'', [[spoiler:Calder is looking like he's graduated from SmugSnake.]]

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** By the end of ''The Heroes'', [[spoiler:Calder is looking like he's graduated from SmugSnake.]]
* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped - ''The Heroes'' has a lot of sub-messages that usually escape Anti-War books. Supply lines are long, arduous, and rarely efficient. Petty, stupid rivalries on your own side can be far more deadly than the enemy. Sometimes, the most unlikely men are actually courageous, and they rarely receive the glory they deserve. It goes on and on to subvert the stereotypical image of a [[HollywoodTactics smoothly-running, well-trained professional army.
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25th Feb '17 11:52:03 PM Sabo88
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** By the end of ''The Heroes'', [[spoiler:Calder is looking like he's graduated from SmugSnake.]]
* TooDumbToLive: Crown Prince Ladisla really should have picked up that of the massacre survivors, Colonel West was the only person who wouldn't happily leave him to freeze to death. Naturally, he tries to rape the woman West is attracted to and who saved West's life.

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** By the end of ''The Heroes'', [[spoiler:Calder is looking like he's graduated from SmugSnake.]]
* TooDumbToLive: Crown Prince Ladisla really should have picked up that of the massacre survivors, Colonel West was the only person who wouldn't happily leave him to freeze to death. Naturally, he tries to rape the woman West is attracted to and who saved West's life.
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28th Jan '17 6:36:52 PM GhostLad
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Bayaz at first appears to be a kindly, if grumpy, old wizard-mentor archetype. The truth is far more sinister. Bayaz has been the secret puppet master of The Union for centuries, sending countless men to pointless deaths against his RivalTurnedEvil Khalul, who betrayed his and Bayaz's master and murdered his own daughter, who was Bayaz's lover. While Khalul is a threat with his incredible magic power and legion of [[IAmAHumanitarian Eaters]], those who have gained sinister powers upon eating human flesh, Bayaz manages to be far worse. He sadistically dominates the new king when the young man tries to stand up to him, revealing him as nothing more than an expendable SonOfAWhore, and his whole plan of setting up a puppet king in the first place was so that he could crush any dissenting opinions and increase his autocratic hold on the Union, and achieving that end involved numerous evil acts including ordering the murders of social reformers and sabotaging efforts at making peace with Gurkhul. After using the magical equivalent of a WMD that wipes out a huge faction of his own men, Bayaz's only response is a satisfied grin and to say "It works, " not caring the slightest about the massive civilian casualties. Making things even worse, every justification Bayaz uses to justify his means of fighting Khalul turn out to be a lie. Bayaz was the traitor and killed his own lover and Khalul only fell to darkness in order to bring Bayaz to justice. In fact, even Bayaz's professed abhorrence of Eaters turns out to be a lie, as Bayaz made his loyal sidekick Yoru Sulfur an Eater and over the course of the series, Sulfur [[EatenAlive eats alive]] two people to facilitate Bayaz's schemes. Bayaz is driven entirely by ego and spite, wanting nothing more than to crush Khalul for daring to oppose him, and enforcing an oppressive regime over the Union based entirely about satisfying his own megalomania.]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Bayaz at first appears to be a kindly, if grumpy, old wizard-mentor archetype. The truth is far more sinister. Bayaz has been the secret puppet master of The Union for centuries, sending countless men to pointless deaths against his RivalTurnedEvil Khalul, who supposed betrayed his and Bayaz's master and murdered his own daughter, who was Bayaz's lover.master. While Khalul is a threat with his incredible magic power and legion of [[IAmAHumanitarian Eaters]], those who have gained sinister powers upon eating human flesh, Bayaz manages to be far worse. He sadistically dominates the new king when the young man tries to stand up to him, revealing him as nothing more than an expendable SonOfAWhore, and his whole plan of setting up a puppet king in the first place was so that he could crush any dissenting opinions and increase his autocratic hold on the Union, and achieving that end involved numerous evil acts including ordering the murders of social reformers and sabotaging efforts at making peace with Gurkhul. After using the magical equivalent of a WMD that wipes out a huge faction of his own men, Bayaz's only response is a satisfied grin and to say "It works, " not caring the slightest about the massive civilian casualties. Making things even worse, every justification Bayaz uses to justify his means of fighting Khalul turn out to be a lie. Bayaz was the traitor and killed his own lover and Khalul only fell to darkness in order to bring Bayaz to justice. In fact, even Bayaz's professed abhorrence of Eaters turns out to be a lie, as Bayaz made his loyal sidekick Yoru Sulfur an Eater and over the course of the series, Sulfur [[EatenAlive eats alive]] two people to facilitate Bayaz's schemes. Bayaz is driven entirely by ego and spite, wanting nothing more than to crush Khalul for daring to oppose him, and enforcing an oppressive regime over the Union based entirely about satisfying his own megalomania.]]



* HarsherInHindsight - One of the few heartwarming moments in the trilogy is early on, when Logen saves Quai's life by carrying the apprentice to safety, despite A) Being on the verge of starvation himself, and B) Hardly knowing the man he risked his life to save. [[spoiler:Then we find out Quai was [[KillAndReplace Killed And Replaced]] before the first book was even more, making Logen's heroism pointless]].



** Also [[spoiler: Bayaz]]

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** Also [[spoiler: Bayaz]][[spoiler:Bayaz is a truly evil bastard, but it's undeniable how impressive his manipulations are. This is a man who fermented a bloody peasant uprising just so he could call it off to give his chosen puppet king a bit more street cred.]]



* WhatAnIdiot: Crown Prince Ladisla really should have picked up that of the massacre survivors, Colonel West was the only person who wouldn't happily leave him to freeze to death. Naturally, he tries to rape the woman West is attracted to and who saved West's life.

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* WhatAnIdiot: TooDumbToLive: Crown Prince Ladisla really should have picked up that of the massacre survivors, Colonel West was the only person who wouldn't happily leave him to freeze to death. Naturally, he tries to rape the woman West is attracted to and who saved West's life.
25th Jan '17 12:23:36 AM GhostLad
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* WhatAnIdiot: Crown Prince Ladisla really should have picked up that of the massacre survivors, Colonel West was the only person who wouldn't happily leave him to freeze to death. Naturally, he tries to rape the woman West is attracted to and who saved West's life. He does this by the edge of cliff, to boot.

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* WhatAnIdiot: Crown Prince Ladisla really should have picked up that of the massacre survivors, Colonel West was the only person who wouldn't happily leave him to freeze to death. Naturally, he tries to rape the woman West is attracted to and who saved West's life. He does this by the edge of cliff, to boot.
15th Jan '17 2:35:33 PM GhostLad
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** By the end of ''The Heroes'', [[spoiler:Calder is looking like he's graduated from SmugSnake.]]

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** By the end of ''The Heroes'', [[spoiler:Calder is looking like he's graduated from SmugSnake.]]]]
* WhatAnIdiot: Crown Prince Ladisla really should have picked up that of the massacre survivors, Colonel West was the only person who wouldn't happily leave him to freeze to death. Naturally, he tries to rape the woman West is attracted to and who saved West's life. He does this by the edge of cliff, to boot.
12th Aug '16 4:14:51 PM 04tele
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: For some readers, this has been known to set in within the first 20 pages.
10th Nov '15 8:55:16 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* MagnificentBastard - Nicomo Cosca, famed soldier of fortune, is here for dinner.

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* MagnificentBastard - MagnificentBastard:
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Nicomo Cosca, famed soldier of fortune, is here for dinner.



** Glokta seems to be heading this way, judging by [[spoiler: Carlot dan Eider's words]] in ''Best Served Cold''.
*** One could argue he has always been that.
** By the end of ''The Heroes'', [[spoiler:Calder is looking like he's graduated from SmugSnake.]]
* {{Narm}} - Played with, as most of it is played deliberately, to show that ''real life'' drama tends to be incredibly melodramatic, even outright senseless most of the time.

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** Glokta seems to be heading this way, especially later on, judging by [[spoiler: Carlot dan Eider's words]] in ''Best Served Cold''.
*** One could argue he has always been that.
** By the end of ''The Heroes'', [[spoiler:Calder is looking like he's graduated from SmugSnake.]]
* {{Narm}} - Played with, as most of it is played deliberately, to show that ''real life'' drama tends to be incredibly melodramatic, even outright senseless most of the time.
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10th Nov '15 8:53:43 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* {{Narm}} - Played with, as most of it is played deliberately, to show that ''real life'' drama tends to be incredibly melodramatic, even outright senseless most of the time.
* NeverASelfMadeWoman - Carlot dan Eider may be viewed as this by some readers despite the fact that it was she who helped her late husband with the business, not vice versa.
** Averted after [[spoiler: Glokta ruins her in Dagoska and Monza in Styria, as she rebuilds herself from scratch in Far Country, controlling half of the local BoomTown.]]

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* {{Narm}} - Played with, as most of it is played deliberately, to show that ''real life'' drama tends to be incredibly melodramatic, even outright senseless most of the time.
* NeverASelfMadeWoman - Carlot dan Eider may be viewed as this by some readers despite the fact that it was she who helped her late husband with the business, not vice versa.
** Averted after [[spoiler: Glokta ruins her in Dagoska and Monza in Styria, as she rebuilds herself from scratch in Far Country, controlling half of the local BoomTown.]]
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