History YMMV / TheFirstLaw

25th Feb '17 11:52:03 PM Sabo88
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** By the end of ''The Heroes'', [[spoiler:Calder is looking like he's graduated from SmugSnake.]]
* TooDumbToLive: Crown Prince Ladisla really should have picked up that of the massacre survivors, Colonel West was the only person who wouldn't happily leave him to freeze to death. Naturally, he tries to rape the woman West is attracted to and who saved West's life.

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** By the end of ''The Heroes'', [[spoiler:Calder is looking like he's graduated from SmugSnake.]]
* TooDumbToLive: Crown Prince Ladisla really should have picked up that of the massacre survivors, Colonel West was the only person who wouldn't happily leave him to freeze to death. Naturally, he tries to rape the woman West is attracted to and who saved West's life.
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28th Jan '17 6:36:52 PM GhostLad
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Bayaz at first appears to be a kindly, if grumpy, old wizard-mentor archetype. The truth is far more sinister. Bayaz has been the secret puppet master of The Union for centuries, sending countless men to pointless deaths against his RivalTurnedEvil Khalul, who betrayed his and Bayaz's master and murdered his own daughter, who was Bayaz's lover. While Khalul is a threat with his incredible magic power and legion of [[IAmAHumanitarian Eaters]], those who have gained sinister powers upon eating human flesh, Bayaz manages to be far worse. He sadistically dominates the new king when the young man tries to stand up to him, revealing him as nothing more than an expendable SonOfAWhore, and his whole plan of setting up a puppet king in the first place was so that he could crush any dissenting opinions and increase his autocratic hold on the Union, and achieving that end involved numerous evil acts including ordering the murders of social reformers and sabotaging efforts at making peace with Gurkhul. After using the magical equivalent of a WMD that wipes out a huge faction of his own men, Bayaz's only response is a satisfied grin and to say "It works, " not caring the slightest about the massive civilian casualties. Making things even worse, every justification Bayaz uses to justify his means of fighting Khalul turn out to be a lie. Bayaz was the traitor and killed his own lover and Khalul only fell to darkness in order to bring Bayaz to justice. In fact, even Bayaz's professed abhorrence of Eaters turns out to be a lie, as Bayaz made his loyal sidekick Yoru Sulfur an Eater and over the course of the series, Sulfur [[EatenAlive eats alive]] two people to facilitate Bayaz's schemes. Bayaz is driven entirely by ego and spite, wanting nothing more than to crush Khalul for daring to oppose him, and enforcing an oppressive regime over the Union based entirely about satisfying his own megalomania.]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Bayaz at first appears to be a kindly, if grumpy, old wizard-mentor archetype. The truth is far more sinister. Bayaz has been the secret puppet master of The Union for centuries, sending countless men to pointless deaths against his RivalTurnedEvil Khalul, who supposed betrayed his and Bayaz's master and murdered his own daughter, who was Bayaz's lover.master. While Khalul is a threat with his incredible magic power and legion of [[IAmAHumanitarian Eaters]], those who have gained sinister powers upon eating human flesh, Bayaz manages to be far worse. He sadistically dominates the new king when the young man tries to stand up to him, revealing him as nothing more than an expendable SonOfAWhore, and his whole plan of setting up a puppet king in the first place was so that he could crush any dissenting opinions and increase his autocratic hold on the Union, and achieving that end involved numerous evil acts including ordering the murders of social reformers and sabotaging efforts at making peace with Gurkhul. After using the magical equivalent of a WMD that wipes out a huge faction of his own men, Bayaz's only response is a satisfied grin and to say "It works, " not caring the slightest about the massive civilian casualties. Making things even worse, every justification Bayaz uses to justify his means of fighting Khalul turn out to be a lie. Bayaz was the traitor and killed his own lover and Khalul only fell to darkness in order to bring Bayaz to justice. In fact, even Bayaz's professed abhorrence of Eaters turns out to be a lie, as Bayaz made his loyal sidekick Yoru Sulfur an Eater and over the course of the series, Sulfur [[EatenAlive eats alive]] two people to facilitate Bayaz's schemes. Bayaz is driven entirely by ego and spite, wanting nothing more than to crush Khalul for daring to oppose him, and enforcing an oppressive regime over the Union based entirely about satisfying his own megalomania.]]



* HarsherInHindsight - One of the few heartwarming moments in the trilogy is early on, when Logen saves Quai's life by carrying the apprentice to safety, despite A) Being on the verge of starvation himself, and B) Hardly knowing the man he risked his life to save. [[spoiler:Then we find out Quai was [[KillAndReplace Killed And Replaced]] before the first book was even more, making Logen's heroism pointless]].



** Also [[spoiler: Bayaz]]

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** Also [[spoiler: Bayaz]][[spoiler:Bayaz is a truly evil bastard, but it's undeniable how impressive his manipulations are. This is a man who fermented a bloody peasant uprising just so he could call it off to give his chosen puppet king a bit more street cred.]]



* WhatAnIdiot: Crown Prince Ladisla really should have picked up that of the massacre survivors, Colonel West was the only person who wouldn't happily leave him to freeze to death. Naturally, he tries to rape the woman West is attracted to and who saved West's life.

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* WhatAnIdiot: TooDumbToLive: Crown Prince Ladisla really should have picked up that of the massacre survivors, Colonel West was the only person who wouldn't happily leave him to freeze to death. Naturally, he tries to rape the woman West is attracted to and who saved West's life.
25th Jan '17 12:23:36 AM GhostLad
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* WhatAnIdiot: Crown Prince Ladisla really should have picked up that of the massacre survivors, Colonel West was the only person who wouldn't happily leave him to freeze to death. Naturally, he tries to rape the woman West is attracted to and who saved West's life. He does this by the edge of cliff, to boot.

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* WhatAnIdiot: Crown Prince Ladisla really should have picked up that of the massacre survivors, Colonel West was the only person who wouldn't happily leave him to freeze to death. Naturally, he tries to rape the woman West is attracted to and who saved West's life. He does this by the edge of cliff, to boot.
15th Jan '17 2:35:33 PM GhostLad
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** By the end of ''The Heroes'', [[spoiler:Calder is looking like he's graduated from SmugSnake.]]

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** By the end of ''The Heroes'', [[spoiler:Calder is looking like he's graduated from SmugSnake.]]]]
* WhatAnIdiot: Crown Prince Ladisla really should have picked up that of the massacre survivors, Colonel West was the only person who wouldn't happily leave him to freeze to death. Naturally, he tries to rape the woman West is attracted to and who saved West's life. He does this by the edge of cliff, to boot.
12th Aug '16 4:14:51 PM 04tele
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: For some readers, this has been known to set in within the first 20 pages.
10th Nov '15 8:55:16 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* MagnificentBastard - Nicomo Cosca, famed soldier of fortune, is here for dinner.

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* MagnificentBastard - MagnificentBastard:
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Nicomo Cosca, famed soldier of fortune, is here for dinner.



** Glokta seems to be heading this way, judging by [[spoiler: Carlot dan Eider's words]] in ''Best Served Cold''.
*** One could argue he has always been that.
** By the end of ''The Heroes'', [[spoiler:Calder is looking like he's graduated from SmugSnake.]]
* {{Narm}} - Played with, as most of it is played deliberately, to show that ''real life'' drama tends to be incredibly melodramatic, even outright senseless most of the time.

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** Glokta seems to be heading this way, especially later on, judging by [[spoiler: Carlot dan Eider's words]] in ''Best Served Cold''.
*** One could argue he has always been that.
** By the end of ''The Heroes'', [[spoiler:Calder is looking like he's graduated from SmugSnake.]]
* {{Narm}} - Played with, as most of it is played deliberately, to show that ''real life'' drama tends to be incredibly melodramatic, even outright senseless most of the time.
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10th Nov '15 8:53:43 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* {{Narm}} - Played with, as most of it is played deliberately, to show that ''real life'' drama tends to be incredibly melodramatic, even outright senseless most of the time.
* NeverASelfMadeWoman - Carlot dan Eider may be viewed as this by some readers despite the fact that it was she who helped her late husband with the business, not vice versa.
** Averted after [[spoiler: Glokta ruins her in Dagoska and Monza in Styria, as she rebuilds herself from scratch in Far Country, controlling half of the local BoomTown.]]

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* {{Narm}} - Played with, as most of it is played deliberately, to show that ''real life'' drama tends to be incredibly melodramatic, even outright senseless most of the time.
* NeverASelfMadeWoman - Carlot dan Eider may be viewed as this by some readers despite the fact that it was she who helped her late husband with the business, not vice versa.
** Averted after [[spoiler: Glokta ruins her in Dagoska and Monza in Styria, as she rebuilds herself from scratch in Far Country, controlling half of the local BoomTown.]]
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5th Sep '15 5:51:27 AM Brightfyre
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** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped - It's got alot of sub-messages that usually escape Anti-War books. Supply lines are long, arduous, and rarely efficient. Petty, stupid rivalries on your own side can be far more deadly than the enemy. Sometimes, the most unlikely men are actually courageous, and they rarely receive the glory they deserve. It goes on and on to subvert the stereotypical image of a [[HollywoodTactics smoothly-running, well-trained professional army.]] YMMV, but it's about time someone pointed out that there's a REASON armies rarely rose above forty thousand men before the Industrial Revolution.

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** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped - It's got alot a lot of sub-messages that usually escape Anti-War books. Supply lines are long, arduous, and rarely efficient. Petty, stupid rivalries on your own side can be far more deadly than the enemy. Sometimes, the most unlikely men are actually courageous, and they rarely receive the glory they deserve. It goes on and on to subvert the stereotypical image of a [[HollywoodTactics smoothly-running, well-trained professional army.]] YMMV, but it's about time someone pointed out that there's a REASON armies rarely rose above forty thousand men before the Industrial Revolution.



** Averted after [[spoiler: Glotka ruins her in Dagoska and Monza in Styria, as she rebuilds herself from scratch in Far Country, controlling half of the local BoomTown.]]

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** Averted after [[spoiler: Glotka Glokta ruins her in Dagoska and Monza in Styria, as she rebuilds herself from scratch in Far Country, controlling half of the local BoomTown.]]
9th Feb '15 2:28:39 PM LahmacunKebab
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-->'''Morveer''': "What could possibly be more amusing than orphan children sold into slavery?",

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-->'''Morveer''': "What could possibly be more amusing than orphan children sold into slavery?",slavery?"
26th Jan '15 2:56:59 AM Sabo88
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Bayaz]] at first appears to be a [[spoiler:kindly, if grumpy, old wizard-mentor]] archetype. The truth is far more sinister. [[spoiler:Bayaz]] has been [[spoiler:the secret puppet master of The Union for centuries]], sending countless men to pointless deaths against [[spoiler:his RivalTurnedEvil Khalul]], who [[spoiler:betrayed his and Bayaz's master and murdered his own daughter, who was Bayaz's lover]]. While [[spoiler:Khalul]] is a threat with [[spoiler:his incredible magic power and legion of [[IAmAHumanitarian Eaters]], those who have gained sinister powers upon eating human flesh]], [[spoiler:Bayaz]] manages to be far worse. [[spoiler:He sadistically dominates the new king when the young man tries to stand up to him, revealing him as nothing more than an expendable SonOfAWhore, and his whole plan of setting up a puppet king in the first place was so that he could crush any dissenting opinions and increase his autocratic hold on the Union, and achieving that end involved numerous evil acts including ordering the murders of social reformers and sabotaging efforts at making peace with Gurkhul]]. After using [[spoiler:the magical equivalent of a WMD that wipes out a huge faction of his own men]], [[spoiler:Bayaz's]] only response is a satisfied grin and to say "It works, " not caring the slightest about [[spoiler:the massive civilian casualties]]. Making things even worse, every justification [[spoiler:Bayaz]] uses to justify [[spoiler:his]] means of fighting [[spoiler:Khalul]] turn out to be a lie. [[spoiler:Bayaz was the traitor and killed his own lover and Khalul only fell to darkness in order to bring Bayaz to justice]]. In fact, even [[spoiler:Bayaz's professed abhorrence of Eaters]] turns out to be a lie, as [[spoiler:Bayaz]] made [[spoiler:his]] loyal sidekick [[spoiler:Yoru Sulfur]] an Eater and over the course of the series, [[spoiler:Sulfur [[EatenAlive eats alive]] two people]] to facilitate [[spoiler:Bayaz]]'s schemes. [[spoiler:Bayaz]] is driven entirely by ego and spite, wanting nothing more than to crush [[spoiler:Khalul]] for daring to oppose [[spoiler:him]], and [[spoiler:enforcing an oppressive regime over the Union]] based entirely about satisfying [[spoiler:his]] own megalomania.

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Bayaz]] [[spoiler:Bayaz at first appears to be a [[spoiler:kindly, kindly, if grumpy, old wizard-mentor]] wizard-mentor archetype. The truth is far more sinister. [[spoiler:Bayaz]] Bayaz has been [[spoiler:the the secret puppet master of The Union for centuries]], centuries, sending countless men to pointless deaths against [[spoiler:his his RivalTurnedEvil Khalul]], Khalul, who [[spoiler:betrayed betrayed his and Bayaz's master and murdered his own daughter, who was Bayaz's lover]]. lover. While [[spoiler:Khalul]] Khalul is a threat with [[spoiler:his his incredible magic power and legion of [[IAmAHumanitarian Eaters]], those who have gained sinister powers upon eating human flesh]], [[spoiler:Bayaz]] flesh, Bayaz manages to be far worse. [[spoiler:He He sadistically dominates the new king when the young man tries to stand up to him, revealing him as nothing more than an expendable SonOfAWhore, and his whole plan of setting up a puppet king in the first place was so that he could crush any dissenting opinions and increase his autocratic hold on the Union, and achieving that end involved numerous evil acts including ordering the murders of social reformers and sabotaging efforts at making peace with Gurkhul]]. Gurkhul. After using [[spoiler:the the magical equivalent of a WMD that wipes out a huge faction of his own men]], [[spoiler:Bayaz's]] men, Bayaz's only response is a satisfied grin and to say "It works, " not caring the slightest about [[spoiler:the the massive civilian casualties]]. casualties. Making things even worse, every justification [[spoiler:Bayaz]] Bayaz uses to justify [[spoiler:his]] his means of fighting [[spoiler:Khalul]] Khalul turn out to be a lie. [[spoiler:Bayaz Bayaz was the traitor and killed his own lover and Khalul only fell to darkness in order to bring Bayaz to justice]]. justice. In fact, even [[spoiler:Bayaz's Bayaz's professed abhorrence of Eaters]] Eaters turns out to be a lie, as [[spoiler:Bayaz]] Bayaz made [[spoiler:his]] his loyal sidekick [[spoiler:Yoru Sulfur]] Yoru Sulfur an Eater and over the course of the series, [[spoiler:Sulfur Sulfur [[EatenAlive eats alive]] two people]] people to facilitate [[spoiler:Bayaz]]'s Bayaz's schemes. [[spoiler:Bayaz]] Bayaz is driven entirely by ego and spite, wanting nothing more than to crush [[spoiler:Khalul]] Khalul for daring to oppose [[spoiler:him]], him, and [[spoiler:enforcing enforcing an oppressive regime over the Union]] Union based entirely about satisfying [[spoiler:his]] his own megalomania.]]
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