History YMMV / TheElderscrollsIVOblivion

19th Jul '16 5:10:16 PM Vorpale
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* Not to mention that, y'know... Your character actually knows ''what'' the fine for necrophilia is in Cyrodiil. ''And you start the game in prison...''

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* ** Not to mention that, y'know... Your character actually knows ''what'' the fine for necrophilia is in Cyrodiil. ''And you start the game in prison...''
19th Jul '16 5:09:46 PM Vorpale
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* Not to mention that, y'know... Your character actually knows ''what'' the fine for necrophilia is in Cyrodiil. ''And you start the game in prison...''
10th Jul '16 10:12:33 AM RomanBowler
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* HarsherInHindsight: Seeing Archmage Traven give a little speech to the PC [[spoiler:before he performs his HeroicSacrifice]] makes it even sadder knowing that his voice actor died years later.
10th Jul '16 6:50:22 AM Dark_Lord_
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* Narm: The random conversations between npc's can sometimes become this. A good example is when they suddenly start talking about mudcrabs and how ugly they are.
8th Jul '16 9:30:10 PM DastardlyDemolition
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** [[PointyHairedBoss Jeanne Frasoric]].

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** [[PointyHairedBoss Jeanne Frasoric]]. The friendly and nice guild mistress of Bruma, who can barely be called "sorcerer" let along "mage" . She seems to only be there because of her social skills. She dies in "A Plot Reveled" but whether or not you feel sorry for her is up to how you see her.



** Mannimarco because of his VillainDecay.

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** Mannimarco because of his VillainDecay. The mod "Mannimarco Revisited" makes him much more fearsome as does ''[[VideoGame/THeElderScrollsOnline Online]]''.
8th Jul '16 9:09:43 PM DastardlyDemolition
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** It's mentioned several times that he severely weakened the Mages Guild. By the time of Skyrim it no longer exists, likely collapsing during the ensuing chaos [[spoiler: resulting from the Septim bloodline ending]]

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** *** It's mentioned several times that he severely weakened the Mages Guild. By the time of Skyrim it no longer exists, likely collapsing during the ensuing chaos [[spoiler: resulting from the Septim bloodline ending]]



* DesignatedHero: If you think about, Traven's ''not'' a very good Archmage. His very first act upon taking the position is completely outlawing Necromancy in Cyrodiil after centuries of it being tolerated and he expelled and blacklisted ''over half'' of the Council when they protested. He forces the Arcane University, one of the greatest learning centers in Tamriel, to close its doors to all but the highest ranking guildmembers, which completely contradicts the guild's original purpose. He's made the guild sever ties with any organization that so much as ''tolerates'' necromancy, putting a serious strain on both manpower and resources. Finally, the main reason he seems to hate necromancy is because it involves stealing the souls of living beings, but it's explicitly stated that they didn't start doing this until ''after'' Traven's draconian policies came into effect. There is no denying that Mannimarco is evil, but it's all but stated that the only reason his Order has become so powerful is because Traven's actions allowed his ranks to become bolstered by hundreds of disgruntled mages.

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* DesignatedHero: If you think about, Traven's ''not'' a very good Archmage. His very first act upon taking the position is completely outlawing Necromancy in Cyrodiil after centuries of it being tolerated and he expelled and blacklisted ''over half'' of the Council when they protested. He forces the Arcane University, one of the greatest learning centers in Tamriel, to close its doors to all but the highest ranking guildmembers, which completely contradicts the guild's original purpose. He's made the guild sever ties with any organization that so much as ''tolerates'' necromancy, putting a serious strain on both manpower and resources. Finally, the main reason he seems to hate necromancy is because it involves stealing the souls of living beings, but it's explicitly stated that they didn't start doing this until ''after'' Traven's draconian policies came into effect. There is no denying that Mannimarco is evil, but it's all but stated that the only reason his Order has become so powerful is because Traven's actions allowed his ranks to become bolstered by hundreds of disgruntled mages. As stated above, this is why the Guild fell to both the strong anti-magic sentiment that arose after the "Oblivion Crisis" and the Thalmor in the centuries between ''Oblivion'' and ''Skyrim''. If it makes anyone feel better, Traven helps you to stop Mannimarco by trapping his soul into the Order of the Black Worm's giant soul gem to protect you and is most likely trapped in the Soul Cairn and must suffer for it.
30th Jun '16 8:41:56 AM Weatherfish
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** Mythic Dawn sleeper agents Jearl and Saveri Faram in Bruma have some subtext indicating they arw [[DepravedLesbian evil lesbians]]. They live in the same house and are assigned to the same bed, which they would sleep in together if not for an oversight (it is a single bed, so one character is forced to wander around while the other sleeps). During the quest that involves rooting out the two spies, people around town are more concerned with spreading gossip about the stranger they saw at Jearl's house than any suspicious activity they may have noticed.
30th Jun '16 8:03:31 AM Weatherfish
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**Interestingly enough, many fans of Morrowind who had been waiting for Oblivion's release actually found themselves put off by the cumbersome mechanics, flawed level scaling, the "weird" faces which were soft and pudgy compared to Morrowind's sharp, angular models, and the overworld which felt too ordinary in comparison to the rich alien world of Morrowind. Not to mention the removal of beloved (and broken) mechanics such as levitation and scroll-making, many fans felt it was nearly a downgrade from Morrowind. Possibly a case of TheyChangedItNowItSucks, but it seems that Oblivion will always remain the UnFavorite middle sibling between Morrowind and Skyrim.
30th Jun '16 1:53:05 AM Weatherfish
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** [[InformedAbility According to lore, the Blades are extremely competent spies]], yet the Emperor is assassinated on their watch, all of their important secrets have been leaked to the Mythic Dawn, the [[MacGuffin Amulet of Kings]] is stolen because the Grandmaster left the room to ''pray'', Baurus abandons the Player for no good reason during the most important part of the investigation, and their agents spend most of the game safe at [[HomeBase Cloud Ruler Temple]] while relying on [[OneManArmy the Player]] to complete dangerous missions (the success of which determines the very fate of Tamriel) without any help.
***Their fanatic devotion to the Septim dynasty, and ''only'' the Septims (with Jauffre even stating that the Blades would never be loyal to a non-Septim like Ocato), is also cause for concern.
13th May '16 9:25:02 PM FamFamFamFamFam
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** Even Sheogorath gives you reason to just run up to him, offer him some cheese and hug him. All he wants is to [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt stop the Greymarch]] and spare his people, and by proxy the Shivering Isles, the pain and suffering from each Greymarch, and he can't even do that because [[spoiler:he ''is'' Jyggalag]]. By the time he returns, [[DarkestHour it's too late]] and [[VillainousBSOD he has to pick up the pieces and start over]]. This has happened [[UpToEleven ''for millenia.'']] He's not even that violent or dangerous a Daedric Lord. [[CreepyGood He's a genuinely nice guy when you get past the insanity.]] The beginning of "Symbols of Office", when Sheogorath tells you that it's too late, sends shivers up your spine thanks to outstanding voice acting and an honestly grim atmosphere. He is counting on Haskill ''[[AllUpToYou and you.]]''
-->'''Sheogorath''': [[AndIMustScream AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!]] [[DespairEventHorizon THE REALM]] [[MyGreatestFailure IS DEAD!]] [[ThatManIsDead SHEOGORATH IS DEAD!]]
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