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15th Jun '18 12:25:51 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[Literature/BloodRites Lord Raith]] (also in ''Literature/WhiteNight''); [[Literature/DeadBeat Capiocorpus]] (also in ''Literature/GhostStory''); [[Literature/TurnCoat Shagnasty]]; [[Literature/{{Changes}} Kukulcan, the Red King]]. See those pages for details.

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* CompleteMonster: [[Literature/BloodRites Lord Raith]] (also in ''Literature/WhiteNight''); [[Literature/DeadBeat Capiocorpus]] (also in ''Literature/GhostStory''); [[Literature/TurnCoat Shagnasty]]; [[Literature/{{Changes}} Kukulcan, the Red King]].Kukulcan]]. See those pages for details.
15th Jun '18 12:25:36 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[Literature/BloodRites Lord Raith]] (also in ''Literature/WhiteNight''); [[Literature/DeadBeat Capiocorpus]] (also in ''Literature/GhostStory''; [[Literature/TurnCoat Shagnasty]]; [[Literature/{{Changes}} Kukulcan, the Red King]]. See those pages for details.

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* CompleteMonster: [[Literature/BloodRites Lord Raith]] (also in ''Literature/WhiteNight''); [[Literature/DeadBeat Capiocorpus]] (also in ''Literature/GhostStory''; ''Literature/GhostStory''); [[Literature/TurnCoat Shagnasty]]; [[Literature/{{Changes}} Kukulcan, the Red King]]. See those pages for details.
15th Jun '18 12:25:18 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster:
** ''Literature/BloodRites'' and ''Literature/WhiteNight'': Lord Raith, King of the White Court and the head of House Raith, manages to stand out amongst his peers as one of the cruelest White Court vampires. While all the Houses of the White Court [[EmotionEater feed off of the emotions of their victims]] to maintain their power, House Raith feeds off of lust. In order to maintain his absolute control over his household, Lord Raith [[AbusiveParents raped and fed off his daughters to make them his slaves and murdered his sons to prevent them from becoming threats]]. This behavior stopped when [[YouKilledMyFather Raith killed Harry's mother]], who used her death curse to ensure that Raith could no longer feed and gain power. This forced Raith to limit his magic usage and act through mortal intermediaries. When a former employee of his, Arturo, begins to work independently as head of his own porno studio, Raith arranges the murder of several of Arturoís workers to force Arturo to work for Raith again. Yet these plans take a backseat once he discovers that Harry is the son of the woman who cursed him and that Harry's death would enable him to feed again and regain his former glory. By the end of the novel, Raith has attempted to [[OffingTheOffspring kill his son Thomas]], plans on keeping Harry's LoveInterest, Murphy, as a SexSlave, and intends to [[ParentalIncest rape Inari, his youngest daughter]]. Not only would this put Inari under his control, but, because White Court vampires start off as mortals and donít turn into vampires so long as they lose their virginity to someone they love, this would doom her to a life as HorrorHunger ridden, White Court succubus like the rest of his children.
** ''Literature/DeadBeat'' and ''Literature/GhostStory'': [[AxCrazy Capiocorpus, also known as the Corpsetaker and The Grey Ghost]], is one of the few surviving students of [[PosthumousCharacter Heinrich Kemmler]], one of the most powerful and evil necromancers ever-and [[PronounTrouble she]] certainly learned her lessons well. The Corpsetaker defines herself as being the most sadistic and cruel of the necromancers in series in her pursuit of the Darkhollow, which would require her to [[BodySurf consume the souls of thousands of innocent people]]. Corpsetaker regularly performs [[GrandTheftMe body theft]] to prolong her life, reveling in the agony of her victims as she steals their bodies and lives from them. After her physical form is destroyed, she shows a penchant for enslaving other ghosts and torturing those in her way with nothing but sadistic cruelty and glee.
** ''Literature/TurnCoat'': Shagnasty, the [[EldritchAbomination Skinwalker]] or Naagloshii, pulls no punches in demonstrating what a horrific creature it is by kidnapping Thomas, [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing him]] by [[FlayedAlive flaying him alive]] until his vampiric HealingFactor is about to give out and then giving him a random, innocent woman. Since by this point, Thomas has completely lost control of his Hunger, he winds up raping them to death. The Shagnasty did this, probably the most disgustingly cruel thing you could possibly do to someone trying to be a Friendly Neighborhood Vampire, multiple times, for no other reason than [[ForTheEvulz because it enjoyed it]].
** ''Literature/{{Changes}}'': One of the most ancient, powerful and evil vampires in existence, [[PhysicalGod Kukulcan, the Red King]], is the founder of the Red Court, and the creator of a system of slavery and oppression that spans thousands of years. The Red King presides over a court that enslaves mortals, as CannonFodder, slaves and food, with a special emphasis placed on [[WouldHurtAChild feeding upon children]], as well as HumanSacrifice to [[AGodAmI his own glory]]. When war begins between the wizard White Council and the Red Court, the Red King shows that he had already been prepared for a protracted and brutal war by launching violent attacks, including poison gas, with civilians being collateral damage at best, and food for his soldiers at worst. Playing the part of a blood-addicted junkie, the Red King manipulates his courtiers, pitting them against his enemies and one another and shows no compunction in sending his own daughter to her death when she opposes him. The misery of the Red King's actions makes South America into a living hell for civilians and those who dare to oppose the vampires, and is so horrible a formerly loyal servant is driven to KnightTemplar levels to destroy the Red Court at any cost. The Red King is brought down by [[HoistByHisOwnPetard a sacrificial spell he intended for Harry Dresden's entire family line]]-one he was going to initiate by sacrificing Harry's young daughter personally on the altar.

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* CompleteMonster:
** ''Literature/BloodRites'' and ''Literature/WhiteNight'':
CompleteMonster: [[Literature/BloodRites Lord Raith, King of the White Court and the head of House Raith, manages to stand out amongst his peers as one of the cruelest White Court vampires. While all the Houses of the White Court [[EmotionEater feed off of the emotions of their victims]] to maintain their power, House Raith feeds off of lust. In order to maintain his absolute control over his household, Lord Raith [[AbusiveParents raped and fed off his daughters to make them his slaves and murdered his sons to prevent them from becoming threats]]. This behavior stopped when [[YouKilledMyFather Raith killed Harry's mother]], who used her death curse to ensure that Raith could no longer feed and gain power. This forced Raith to limit his magic usage and act through mortal intermediaries. When a former employee of his, Arturo, begins to work independently as head of his own porno studio, Raith arranges the murder of several of Arturoís workers to force Arturo to work for Raith again. Yet these plans take a backseat once he discovers that Harry is the son of the woman who cursed him and that Harry's death would enable him to feed again and regain his former glory. By the end of the novel, Raith has attempted to [[OffingTheOffspring kill his son Thomas]], plans on keeping Harry's LoveInterest, Murphy, as a SexSlave, and intends to [[ParentalIncest rape Inari, his youngest daughter]]. Not only would this put Inari under his control, but, because White Court vampires start off as mortals and donít turn into vampires so long as they lose their virginity to someone they love, this would doom her to a life as HorrorHunger ridden, White Court succubus like the rest of his children.
** ''Literature/DeadBeat'' and ''Literature/GhostStory'': [[AxCrazy Capiocorpus, also known as the Corpsetaker and The Grey Ghost]], is one of the few surviving students of [[PosthumousCharacter Heinrich Kemmler]], one of the most powerful and evil necromancers ever-and [[PronounTrouble she]] certainly learned her lessons well. The Corpsetaker defines herself as being the most sadistic and cruel of the necromancers
Raith]] (also in series ''Literature/WhiteNight''); [[Literature/DeadBeat Capiocorpus]] (also in her pursuit of the Darkhollow, which would require her to [[BodySurf consume the souls of thousands of innocent people]]. Corpsetaker regularly performs [[GrandTheftMe body theft]] to prolong her life, reveling in the agony of her victims as she steals their bodies and lives from them. After her physical form is destroyed, she shows a penchant for enslaving other ghosts and torturing those in her way with nothing but sadistic cruelty and glee.
** ''Literature/TurnCoat'': Shagnasty, the [[EldritchAbomination Skinwalker]] or Naagloshii, pulls no punches in demonstrating what a horrific creature it is by kidnapping Thomas, [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing him]] by [[FlayedAlive flaying him alive]] until his vampiric HealingFactor is about to give out and then giving him a random, innocent woman. Since by this point, Thomas has completely lost control of his Hunger, he winds up raping them to death. The Shagnasty did this, probably the most disgustingly cruel thing you could possibly do to someone trying to be a Friendly Neighborhood Vampire, multiple times, for no other reason than [[ForTheEvulz because it enjoyed it]].
** ''Literature/{{Changes}}'': One of the most ancient, powerful and evil vampires in existence, [[PhysicalGod
''Literature/GhostStory''; [[Literature/TurnCoat Shagnasty]]; [[Literature/{{Changes}} Kukulcan, the Red King]], is the founder of the Red Court, and the creator of a system of slavery and oppression that spans thousands of years. The Red King presides over a court that enslaves mortals, as CannonFodder, slaves and food, with a special emphasis placed on [[WouldHurtAChild feeding upon children]], as well as HumanSacrifice to [[AGodAmI his own glory]]. When war begins between the wizard White Council and the Red Court, the Red King shows that he had already been prepared for a protracted and brutal war by launching violent attacks, including poison gas, with civilians being collateral damage at best, and food for his soldiers at worst. Playing the part of a blood-addicted junkie, the Red King manipulates his courtiers, pitting them against his enemies and one another and shows no compunction in sending his own daughter to her death when she opposes him. The misery of the Red King's actions makes South America into a living hell for civilians and King]]. See those who dare to oppose the vampires, and is so horrible a formerly loyal servant is driven to KnightTemplar levels to destroy the Red Court at any cost. The Red King is brought down by [[HoistByHisOwnPetard a sacrificial spell he intended pages for Harry Dresden's entire family line]]-one he was going to initiate by sacrificing Harry's young daughter personally on the altar.details.
16th Apr '18 8:31:49 AM MasterFuzzy
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** As of ''Turn Coat'', [[spoiler: Morgan]], although this may be TooBadassToLive considering his {{Jerkass}}ness

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** As of ''Turn Coat'', [[spoiler: Morgan]], although this may be TooBadassToLive Too Badass To Live considering his {{Jerkass}}ness
19th Jan '18 1:28:56 PM Orbiting
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** ''Literature/BloodRites'' and ''Literature/WhiteNight'': Lord Raith, King of the White Court and the head of House Raith.
** ''Literature/DeadBeat'' and ''Literature/GhostStory'': Capiocorpus, the Corpsetaker, also known as the Grey Ghost.
** ''Literature/TurnCoat'': "Shagnasty", the Skinwalker or Naagloshii.
** ''Literature/{{Changes}}'': The Red King, alias Kukulcan.

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** ''Literature/BloodRites'' and ''Literature/WhiteNight'': Lord Raith, King of the White Court and the head of House Raith.
Raith, manages to stand out amongst his peers as one of the cruelest White Court vampires. While all the Houses of the White Court [[EmotionEater feed off of the emotions of their victims]] to maintain their power, House Raith feeds off of lust. In order to maintain his absolute control over his household, Lord Raith [[AbusiveParents raped and fed off his daughters to make them his slaves and murdered his sons to prevent them from becoming threats]]. This behavior stopped when [[YouKilledMyFather Raith killed Harry's mother]], who used her death curse to ensure that Raith could no longer feed and gain power. This forced Raith to limit his magic usage and act through mortal intermediaries. When a former employee of his, Arturo, begins to work independently as head of his own porno studio, Raith arranges the murder of several of Arturoís workers to force Arturo to work for Raith again. Yet these plans take a backseat once he discovers that Harry is the son of the woman who cursed him and that Harry's death would enable him to feed again and regain his former glory. By the end of the novel, Raith has attempted to [[OffingTheOffspring kill his son Thomas]], plans on keeping Harry's LoveInterest, Murphy, as a SexSlave, and intends to [[ParentalIncest rape Inari, his youngest daughter]]. Not only would this put Inari under his control, but, because White Court vampires start off as mortals and donít turn into vampires so long as they lose their virginity to someone they love, this would doom her to a life as HorrorHunger ridden, White Court succubus like the rest of his children.
** ''Literature/DeadBeat'' and ''Literature/GhostStory'': [[AxCrazy Capiocorpus, the Corpsetaker, also known as the Corpsetaker and The Grey Ghost.
Ghost]], is one of the few surviving students of [[PosthumousCharacter Heinrich Kemmler]], one of the most powerful and evil necromancers ever-and [[PronounTrouble she]] certainly learned her lessons well. The Corpsetaker defines herself as being the most sadistic and cruel of the necromancers in series in her pursuit of the Darkhollow, which would require her to [[BodySurf consume the souls of thousands of innocent people]]. Corpsetaker regularly performs [[GrandTheftMe body theft]] to prolong her life, reveling in the agony of her victims as she steals their bodies and lives from them. After her physical form is destroyed, she shows a penchant for enslaving other ghosts and torturing those in her way with nothing but sadistic cruelty and glee.
** ''Literature/TurnCoat'': "Shagnasty", Shagnasty, the Skinwalker [[EldritchAbomination Skinwalker]] or Naagloshii.
Naagloshii, pulls no punches in demonstrating what a horrific creature it is by kidnapping Thomas, [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing him]] by [[FlayedAlive flaying him alive]] until his vampiric HealingFactor is about to give out and then giving him a random, innocent woman. Since by this point, Thomas has completely lost control of his Hunger, he winds up raping them to death. The Shagnasty did this, probably the most disgustingly cruel thing you could possibly do to someone trying to be a Friendly Neighborhood Vampire, multiple times, for no other reason than [[ForTheEvulz because it enjoyed it]].
** ''Literature/{{Changes}}'': One of the most ancient, powerful and evil vampires in existence, [[PhysicalGod Kukulcan, the Red King]], is the founder of the Red Court, and the creator of a system of slavery and oppression that spans thousands of years. The Red King, alias Kukulcan.King presides over a court that enslaves mortals, as CannonFodder, slaves and food, with a special emphasis placed on [[WouldHurtAChild feeding upon children]], as well as HumanSacrifice to [[AGodAmI his own glory]]. When war begins between the wizard White Council and the Red Court, the Red King shows that he had already been prepared for a protracted and brutal war by launching violent attacks, including poison gas, with civilians being collateral damage at best, and food for his soldiers at worst. Playing the part of a blood-addicted junkie, the Red King manipulates his courtiers, pitting them against his enemies and one another and shows no compunction in sending his own daughter to her death when she opposes him. The misery of the Red King's actions makes South America into a living hell for civilians and those who dare to oppose the vampires, and is so horrible a formerly loyal servant is driven to KnightTemplar levels to destroy the Red Court at any cost. The Red King is brought down by [[HoistByHisOwnPetard a sacrificial spell he intended for Harry Dresden's entire family line]]-one he was going to initiate by sacrificing Harry's young daughter personally on the altar.
5th Jan '18 6:06:32 PM CheeseDogX
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* AwesomeEgo: Ramirez. The Tabletop Game says as much. He has a habit of making jokes about his prowess in everything and he exaggerates it to the point of ridiculousness and is often PlayedForLaughs and in complete good humor more than once. However, when push comes to shove Carlos has proven to be extremely badass in not only combat and more than a little worthy of the jokes he makes.

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* AwesomeEgo: Ramirez. The Tabletop Game says as much. He has a habit of making jokes about his prowess in everything and he exaggerates it to the point of ridiculousness and is often PlayedForLaughs and in complete good humor more than once. However, when push comes to shove Carlos has proven to be extremely badass in not only combat and more than a little worthy of the jokes he makes. [[AManIsNotAVirgin Except when it comes to his prowess with the ladies]].
1st Nov '17 12:41:17 PM MasterFuzzy
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: After information revealed in ''Blood Rites'' and ''Changes,'' there's some debate about why Ebenezar didn't raise Harry from the beginning. Was it because ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies [[spoiler: as the Blackstaff, there's probably no shortage of supernatural nasties who'd love to get their claws on a hostage]], or was it because [[spoiler: he was estranged from Maggie and literally didn't know Malcolm had died?]]



* {{Sequelitis}}: [[BrokenBase Depending on who you ask]] this series is either this trope, or the first three to four volumes suffer from [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness early installment weirdness]]. Originally, this series was about a private detective who is also a wizard. By the time we get to volume seven, it's about the crazy world Harry inhabits, which included Fey realms, Vampire wars, wizarding politics and the machinations of the White Council, and most especially about the people Harry cares most about, which include [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters almost every good character, and even some not-so-good ones, ever introduced in the series]]. YMMV if the series is [[KudzuPlot far too bogged down in its own plot now]] or if it has [[GrowingTheBeard grown the beard]].

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* {{Sequelitis}}: [[BrokenBase Depending on who you ask]] this series is either this trope, or the first three to four volumes suffer from [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness early installment weirdness]]. Originally, this series was about a private detective who is also a wizard. By the time we get to volume seven, it's about the crazy world Harry inhabits, which included Fey Fae realms, Vampire wars, wizarding politics and the machinations of the White Council, and most especially about the people Harry cares most about, which include [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters almost every good character, and even some not-so-good ones, ever introduced in the series]]. YMMV if the series is [[KudzuPlot far too bogged down in its own plot now]] or if it has [[GrowingTheBeard grown the beard]].



** Nicodemus' lover is Deidre... ''his daughter''. Her mom, Tessa, is ReallySevenHundredYearsOld, but looks in her teens.

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** Nicodemus' lover is Deidre... ''his daughter''. Her mom, Tessa, is ReallySevenHundredYearsOld, but looks in her teens. The latter is actually mentioned in ''Skin Game,'' with Deidre telling Harry that they've been together for 2,000 years, and are far beyond conventional relationship terms.
18th Sep '17 7:23:53 PM randomtroper89
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* BadassDecay:
** The Red Court - it looks a lot like they are going to be the KnightOfCerebus, but then that role was taken by the Denarians, and they were more or less [[VillainOfAnotherStory offscreen antagonists]]. This becomes subverted (and even ''justified''!) with ''Changes''.

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* BadassDecay:
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BadassDecay: The Red Court - it looks a lot like they are going to be the KnightOfCerebus, but then that role was taken by the Denarians, and they were more or less [[VillainOfAnotherStory offscreen antagonists]]. This becomes subverted (and even ''justified''!) with ''Changes''.
9th Sep '17 7:41:37 PM MrDeath
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** Also done intentionally with the Outsiders. Initially they are presented, both on-screen and off, as almost literally unstoppable engines of destruction once they're through the Outer Gates. However, gradually Harry begins to discover that they aren't quite as badass or as destructive as they seem. They have a weakness to an ability he inherently already has, their thinking is extremely limited, many of them are one-trick pony magicians, and some of their dastardly evil plans once they beat their way past the assembled Winter Court and the wizards are things like [[spoiler: buying a bar and taking up home brewing.]]
14th Aug '17 6:14:54 PM randomtroper89
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** Murphy. On one hand, she's a long-standing main character who's been in the series since the beginning and offers a vanilla human perspective, a staunch ally, and grounding for Harry. On the other, she's [[spoiler: no longer Harry's contact with the police and no longer a potential candidate for Fidelacchius]] and, according to WordofGod, will not have a power up like other characters, making people question her place in the series. Depending on whether people support [[WillTheyOrWontThey Harry/Murphy]] or [[DieForOurShip not]], this has further split the base. This has gotten to the point topics involving Murphy on the official Jim Butcher forums regularly incite flame wars and locked threads.

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** Murphy. On one hand, she's a long-standing main character who's been in the series since the beginning and offers a vanilla human perspective, a staunch ally, and grounding for Harry. On the other, she's [[spoiler: no longer Harry's contact with the police and no longer a potential candidate for Fidelacchius]] and, according to WordofGod, WordOfGod, will not have a power up like other characters, making people question her place in the series. Depending on whether people support [[WillTheyOrWontThey Harry/Murphy]] or [[DieForOurShip not]], this has further split the base. This has gotten to the point topics involving Murphy on the official Jim Butcher forums regularly incite flame wars and locked threads.
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