History YMMV / TheDresdenFiles

18th Sep '17 7:23:53 PM randomtroper89
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* BadassDecay:
** The Red Court - it looks a lot like they are going to be the KnightOfCerebus, but then that role was taken by the Denarians, and they were more or less [[VillainOfAnotherStory offscreen antagonists]]. This becomes subverted (and even ''justified''!) with ''Changes''.

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* BadassDecay:
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BadassDecay: The Red Court - it looks a lot like they are going to be the KnightOfCerebus, but then that role was taken by the Denarians, and they were more or less [[VillainOfAnotherStory offscreen antagonists]]. This becomes subverted (and even ''justified''!) with ''Changes''.
9th Sep '17 7:41:37 PM MrDeath
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** Also done intentionally with the Outsiders. Initially they are presented, both on-screen and off, as almost literally unstoppable engines of destruction once they're through the Outer Gates. However, gradually Harry begins to discover that they aren't quite as badass or as destructive as they seem. They have a weakness to an ability he inherently already has, their thinking is extremely limited, many of them are one-trick pony magicians, and some of their dastardly evil plans once they beat their way past the assembled Winter Court and the wizards are things like [[spoiler: buying a bar and taking up home brewing.]]
14th Aug '17 6:14:54 PM randomtroper89
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** Murphy. On one hand, she's a long-standing main character who's been in the series since the beginning and offers a vanilla human perspective, a staunch ally, and grounding for Harry. On the other, she's [[spoiler: no longer Harry's contact with the police and no longer a potential candidate for Fidelacchius]] and, according to WordofGod, will not have a power up like other characters, making people question her place in the series. Depending on whether people support [[WillTheyOrWontThey Harry/Murphy]] or [[DieForOurShip not]], this has further split the base. This has gotten to the point topics involving Murphy on the official Jim Butcher forums regularly incite flame wars and locked threads.

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** Murphy. On one hand, she's a long-standing main character who's been in the series since the beginning and offers a vanilla human perspective, a staunch ally, and grounding for Harry. On the other, she's [[spoiler: no longer Harry's contact with the police and no longer a potential candidate for Fidelacchius]] and, according to WordofGod, WordOfGod, will not have a power up like other characters, making people question her place in the series. Depending on whether people support [[WillTheyOrWontThey Harry/Murphy]] or [[DieForOurShip not]], this has further split the base. This has gotten to the point topics involving Murphy on the official Jim Butcher forums regularly incite flame wars and locked threads.
12th Aug '17 10:49:15 AM randomtroper89
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* UnfortunateImplications:
** The repeated sexualization of women, [[http://www.fangsforthefantasy.com/2013/07/the-dresden-files-who-isnt-sex-object.html to some]]; Harry has a tendency to describe attractive women in extended detail whenever he meets them, going on page-long monologues in some cases. A common counterpoint to this is that the series possesses a number of non-sexualized women [[note]](Meryl, Helen Beckett, Luccio's original body, Martha Liberty, Ancient Mai, Anna Ash and most of the Ordo Lebes, the Mothers, and more)[[/note]], most of the jaw-droppingly beautiful women are not human to begin with, and Harry's fixation is presented as a clear character flaw that gets him into trouble often. It's generally left up to the reader to decide which holds more weight.
** Justine and Thomas' entire relationship, [[http://out-there-on-the-maroon.tumblr.com/post/151877980415/more-dresden-files-rape-discussion to]] [[http://arcadiasilver.tumblr.com/post/120988188681/but-thomas-was-the-one-who-helped-justine-which some]], given that his powers revolve around mind-controlling people into having sex with him, she was a teenager when they met, and he sent her to Harry as a present shortly after she was [[spoiler: ''gangraped by vampires''.]] And Harry never sees anything wrong with any of this.

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* UnfortunateImplications:
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UnfortunateImplications: The repeated sexualization of women, [[http://www.fangsforthefantasy.com/2013/07/the-dresden-files-who-isnt-sex-object.html to some]]; Harry has a tendency to describe attractive women in extended detail whenever he meets them, going on page-long monologues in some cases. A common counterpoint to this is that the series possesses a number of non-sexualized women [[note]](Meryl, Helen Beckett, Luccio's original body, Martha Liberty, Ancient Mai, Anna Ash and most of the Ordo Lebes, the Mothers, and more)[[/note]], most of the jaw-droppingly beautiful women are not human to begin with, and Harry's fixation is presented as a clear character flaw that gets him into trouble often. It's generally left up to the reader to decide which holds more weight.
** Justine and Thomas' entire relationship, [[http://out-there-on-the-maroon.tumblr.com/post/151877980415/more-dresden-files-rape-discussion to]] [[http://arcadiasilver.tumblr.com/post/120988188681/but-thomas-was-the-one-who-helped-justine-which some]], given that his powers revolve around mind-controlling people into having sex with him, she was a teenager when they met, and he sent her to Harry as a present shortly after she was [[spoiler: ''gangraped by vampires''.]] And Harry never sees anything wrong with any of this.
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1st Aug '17 11:37:05 AM randomtroper89
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* BadassDecay: The Red Court - it looks a lot like they are going to be the KnightOfCerebus, but then that role was taken by the Denarians, and they were more or less [[VillainOfAnotherStory offscreen antagonists]]. This becomes subverted (and even ''justified''!) with ''Changes''.

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* BadassDecay: BadassDecay:
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The Red Court - it looks a lot like they are going to be the KnightOfCerebus, but then that role was taken by the Denarians, and they were more or less [[VillainOfAnotherStory offscreen antagonists]]. This becomes subverted (and even ''justified''!) with ''Changes''.



* FoeYay:
** Harry and Lara have plenty of these whenever they meet or team up.

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* FoeYay:
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FoeYay: Harry and Lara have plenty of these whenever they meet or team up.
22nd Jul '17 4:16:20 PM randomtroper89
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** The series isn't the only one growing the beard, go back and listen to James Marsters' in the audiobooks. For the first few novels, he lacked confidence, the track contains many slightly awkward pauses and mutters, and a few names and voices weren't nailed down yet. Compare that to James Marsters in Changes, where he's confident both in his reading and character impressions, Harry is the most emotional and raw-sounding than he's ever been, and he sounds genuinely invested; reads the text with utter conviction and sincerity, as much as any hardcore fan.

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** The series isn't the only one growing the beard, go back and listen to James Marsters' in the audiobooks. For the first few novels, he lacked confidence, the track contains many slightly awkward pauses and mutters, and a few names and voices weren't nailed down yet. Compare that to James Marsters in Changes, ''Changes'', where he's confident both in his reading and character impressions, Harry is the most emotional and raw-sounding than he's ever been, and he sounds genuinely invested; reads the text with utter conviction and sincerity, as much as any hardcore fan.
5th Jul '17 3:01:19 PM ghidorah15
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** Waldo Butters. On the one hand, he has plenty of fans of his slow, multi-book move from ZeroToHero, as an ordinary person still capable of great heroism and a refusal to be victimized. On the other hand, being the geeky schlub who gets a lot of nice things, including but not limited to [[spoiler:the hot younger werewolf girlfriend, the magic skateboard, and the lightsaber]], many see him as getting all of the things that [[WishFulfillment the proverbial GM's little brother would find "cool"]].

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** Waldo Butters. On the one hand, he has plenty of fans of his slow, multi-book move from ZeroToHero, as an ordinary person still capable of great heroism and a refusal to be victimized. On the other hand, being the geeky schlub who gets a lot of nice things, including but not limited to [[spoiler:the [[spoiler: the hot younger werewolf girlfriend, the magic skateboard, and the lightsaber]], many see him as getting all of the things that [[WishFulfillment the proverbial GM's little brother would find "cool"]].



** ''Literature/DeadBeat'' and ''Literature/GhostStory'': Capiocorpus, also known as the Corpsetaker and The Grey Ghost.
** ''Literature/TurnCoat'': Shagnasty, the Skinwalker or Naagloshii.
** ''Literature/{{Changes}}'': Kukulcan, the Red King.

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** ''Literature/DeadBeat'' and ''Literature/GhostStory'': Capiocorpus, the Corpsetaker, also known as the Corpsetaker and The Grey Ghost.
** ''Literature/TurnCoat'': Shagnasty, "Shagnasty", the Skinwalker or Naagloshii.
** ''Literature/{{Changes}}'': Kukulcan, the The Red King.King, alias Kukulcan.
28th Jun '17 12:10:13 PM allfictions
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** Also done intentionally with the outsiders. Initially they are presented, both on-screen and off, as almost literally unstoppable engines of destruction once they're through the gate. However, gradually Harry begins to discover that they aren't quite as badass or as destructive as they seem. They have a weakness to an ability he inherently already has, their thinking is extremely limited, many of them are one-trick pony magicians, and some of their dastardly evil plans once they beat their way past the assembled winter court and the wizards are things like [[spoiler: buying a bar and taking up home brewing.]]

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** Also done intentionally with the outsiders. Outsiders. Initially they are presented, both on-screen and off, as almost literally unstoppable engines of destruction once they're through the gate.Outer Gates. However, gradually Harry begins to discover that they aren't quite as badass or as destructive as they seem. They have a weakness to an ability he inherently already has, their thinking is extremely limited, many of them are one-trick pony magicians, and some of their dastardly evil plans once they beat their way past the assembled winter court Winter Court and the wizards are things like [[spoiler: buying a bar and taking up home brewing.]]
13th Jun '17 9:35:23 PM nombretomado
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* JerkassWoobie: When you read between the lines, you realize just how much shit Morgan's life has put him through. Four years on the Western Front in WorldWarOne is probably the least of his traumas.

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* JerkassWoobie: When you read between the lines, you realize just how much shit Morgan's life has put him through. Four years on the Western Front in WorldWarOne UsefulNotes/WorldWarI is probably the least of his traumas.
2nd Jun '17 3:17:23 PM Zaptech
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** Also done intentionally with the outsiders. Initially they are presented, both on-screen and off, as almost literally unstoppable engines of destruction once they're through the gate. However, gradually Harry begins to discover that they aren't quite as badass or as destructive as they seem. They have a WeaksauceWeakness to an ability he inherently already has, their thinking is extremely limited, many of them are one-trick pony magicians, and some of their dastardly evil plans once they beat their way past the assembled winter court and the wizards are things like [[spoiler: buying a bar and taking up home brewing.]]

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** Also done intentionally with the outsiders. Initially they are presented, both on-screen and off, as almost literally unstoppable engines of destruction once they're through the gate. However, gradually Harry begins to discover that they aren't quite as badass or as destructive as they seem. They have a WeaksauceWeakness weakness to an ability he inherently already has, their thinking is extremely limited, many of them are one-trick pony magicians, and some of their dastardly evil plans once they beat their way past the assembled winter court and the wizards are things like [[spoiler: buying a bar and taking up home brewing.]]
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