History YMMV / TheDarkTower

14th Aug '17 11:17:20 AM Isaac_Heller
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* CompleteMonster: It is revealed that Randall Flagg has lived for so long and accumulated so much power that he has become the emissary for the [[{{Satan}} Crimson King]]. Flagg earns Roland Deschain's undying hatred for beating and sleeping with Rolandís mother, and for aiding the revolutionary, John Farson, in causing the destruction of the city of Gilead. Flagg also forces Roland to let his preteen companion, Jake Chambers, die, and drives a girl insane by telling her the trigger phrase which causes a formerly dead man to [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow recount the afterlife to her]]. Corruptive, treacherous and sadistic, Flagg's ultimate goal was to betray his master and climb to the top of the Dark Tower in order to become God of all.

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* CompleteMonster: It is revealed that Randall Flagg has lived for so long and accumulated so much power that he has become the emissary for the [[{{Satan}} Crimson King]]. Flagg earns Roland Deschain's undying hatred for beating and sleeping with Rolandís mother, and for aiding the revolutionary, John Farson, in causing the destruction of the city of Gilead. Flagg also forces Roland to let his preteen companion, Jake Chambers, die, and drives a girl insane by telling her the trigger phrase which causes a formerly dead man to [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow recount the afterlife to her]]. Corruptive, treacherous and sadistic, Flagg's ultimate goal was to [[TheStarscream betray his master master]] and climb to the top of the Dark Tower [[AGodAmI in order to become God of all.]]
8th May '17 10:43:28 PM Discar
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!!''The Dark Tower'' film:
* BrokenBase:
** To say that the decision to cast Creator/IdrisElba to play Roland Deschain has met some controversy is a major understatement. Some fans are happy with the decision, stating that Elba is an accomplished actor in his own right and carries the correct presence to portray Roland of Gilead. Other fans claim that changing Roland's specified ethnic approximation (not quite European, as he does not hail from Europe, but he still appears Caucasian/"white") goes against the character, as he was designed to look like Clint Eastwood's "Man With No Name". In book VII, a character thinks he looks like "a mixture of Quaker and Cherokee".
** Also, the casting of Creator/IdrisElba as Roland in the movies has caused a ''major'' split in the fan base, between those who think that Roland has to be portrayed by a white actor in order for his antagonism with Detta to work (or who just believe that RaceLift casting shouldn't ever happen in adaptations), and those who think Elba's talent outweighs his lack of physical resemblance to Novel!Roland and that Detta's problem was always with Roland's authority as leader of the ka-tet (or even just the fact that he exists near her because, y'know, Detta) rather than his race.
** Ironically, one side-effect of this has been that, while a portion of the fandom was gearing up to hate on Creator/MatthewMcConaughey being cast as Roland (prior to his BreakoutRole on ''Series/TrueDetective'', anyway), the announcement that [=McConaughey=] will be playing The Man in Black, while Elba will be playing Roland, has now got some of the same fans asking for [=McConaughey=] to be re-cast as Roland instead. Some are even calling for their roles to be switched, though more seem to want to avoid the suggestion due to its UnfortunateImplications.
** Still others are concerned with the look and feel of the film itself. Midworld looks a little too clean and generic, while New York is certainly too clean for the 1970s. The plot from the trailers leaves little mystery for what is at sake, and appears to be a straight-forward good vs evil urban fantasy film instead of a sprawling adventure tale.
8th May '17 8:44:02 PM twingle93
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** Still others are concerned with the look and feel of the film itself. Midworld looks a little too clean and generic, while New York is certainly too clean for the 1970s. The plot from the trailers leaves little mystery for what is at sake, and appears to be a straight-forward good vs evil fight instead of a sprawling adventure tale.

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** Still others are concerned with the look and feel of the film itself. Midworld looks a little too clean and generic, while New York is certainly too clean for the 1970s. The plot from the trailers leaves little mystery for what is at sake, and appears to be a straight-forward good vs evil fight urban fantasy film instead of a sprawling adventure tale.
8th May '17 8:41:42 PM twingle93
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** Still others are concerned with the look and feel of the film itself. Midworld looks a little too clean and generic, while New York is certainly too clean for the 1970s. The plot from the trailers leaves little mystery for what is at sake, and appears to be a straight-forward good vs evil fight instead of a sprawling adventure tale.
2nd May '17 4:42:29 AM kraas
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* VillainDecay: [[spoiler:In the final book, Walter o'Dim/Randall Flagg and the Crimson King, the two main villains up until that point, are reduced to almost non-entities. In particular Flagg, who had once been considered King's 'ubervillain', is easily dispatched in one chapter by a newly introduced character, who finds him pathetic. This is especially troublesome to some fans, since Flagg has been especially troublesome to numerous Stephen King characters over the years, even surviving (or, more accurately, respawning after) a nuclear blast. Having Mordred kill him is obviously to establish Mordred as even more sinister and dangerous than Flagg, but that's a bit hard, if not impossible, after developing the Flagg character for decades and across numerous books. Made worse by the fact that Modred is himself killed anticlimactically]].

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* VillainDecay: [[spoiler:In the final book, Walter o'Dim/Randall Flagg and the Crimson King, the two main villains up until that point, are reduced to almost non-entities. In particular Flagg, who had once been considered King's 'ubervillain', is easily dispatched in one chapter by a newly introduced character, who finds him pathetic. This is especially troublesome to some fans, since Flagg has been especially troublesome to numerous Stephen King characters over the years, even surviving (or, more accurately, respawning after) a nuclear blast. Having Mordred kill him is obviously to establish Mordred as even more sinister and dangerous than Flagg, but that's a bit hard, if not impossible, after developing the Flagg character for decades and across numerous books. Made worse by the fact that Modred Mordred's death is himself killed anticlimactically]].
very anticlimactic (weakened by food poisoning due to eating the disease-ridden corpse of Lippy the horse, Roland kills him with one shot)]].
13th Mar '17 12:57:19 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* VillainDecay: [[spoiler:In the final book, Walter o'Dim/Randall Flagg and the Crimson King, the two main villains up until that point, are reduced to almost non-entities. In particular Flagg, who had once been considered King's 'ubervillain', is easily dispatched in one chapter by a newly introduced character, who finds him pathetic. This is especially troublesome to some fans, since Flagg has been especially troublesome to numerous Stephen King characters over the years, even surviving (or, more accurately, respawning after) a nuclear blast. Having Mordred kill him is obviously to establish Mordred as even more sinister and dangerous than Flagg, but that's a bit hard, if not impossible, after developing the Flagg character for decades and across numerous books. Made worse by the fact that Roland kills him with a single shot.]]

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* VillainDecay: [[spoiler:In the final book, Walter o'Dim/Randall Flagg and the Crimson King, the two main villains up until that point, are reduced to almost non-entities. In particular Flagg, who had once been considered King's 'ubervillain', is easily dispatched in one chapter by a newly introduced character, who finds him pathetic. This is especially troublesome to some fans, since Flagg has been especially troublesome to numerous Stephen King characters over the years, even surviving (or, more accurately, respawning after) a nuclear blast. Having Mordred kill him is obviously to establish Mordred as even more sinister and dangerous than Flagg, but that's a bit hard, if not impossible, after developing the Flagg character for decades and across numerous books. Made worse by the fact that Roland kills him with a single shot.]]
Modred is himself killed anticlimactically]].
17th Feb '17 5:19:04 AM kraas
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** To say that the decision to cast Creator/IdrisElba to play Roland Deschain has met some controversy is a major understatement. Some fans are happy with the decision, stating that Elba is an accomplished actor in his own right and carries the correct presence to portray Roland of Gilead. Other fans claim that changing Roland's specified ethnic approximation (not quite European, as he does not hail from Europe, but he still appears Caucasian/"white") goes against the character, as he was designed to look like Clint Eastwood's "Man With No Name".

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** To say that the decision to cast Creator/IdrisElba to play Roland Deschain has met some controversy is a major understatement. Some fans are happy with the decision, stating that Elba is an accomplished actor in his own right and carries the correct presence to portray Roland of Gilead. Other fans claim that changing Roland's specified ethnic approximation (not quite European, as he does not hail from Europe, but he still appears Caucasian/"white") goes against the character, as he was designed to look like Clint Eastwood's "Man With No Name". In book VII, a character thinks he looks like "a mixture of Quaker and Cherokee".
12th Jan '17 10:28:17 AM Morgenthaler
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The FilkSong "Terror Train" by DemonsAndWizards portrays Blaine as a pathetic PsychopathicManchild with an InferioritySuperiorityComplex, who is still a legitimate threat. The chorus: "No one really knows the pain I'm going through (My final ride is almost done!) / The world has moved on, now it's time to go (My final ride is almost done!) / Come lift my spirit up, I'm BLAINE!". [[SarcasmMode Aww]], he's ''[[TheWoobie lonely]]!'' But he's also batshit insane and suicidal, and [[TakingYouWithMe misery loves company...]]

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The FilkSong "Terror Train" by DemonsAndWizards Music/DemonsAndWizards portrays Blaine as a pathetic PsychopathicManchild with an InferioritySuperiorityComplex, who is still a legitimate threat. The chorus: "No one really knows the pain I'm going through (My final ride is almost done!) / The world has moved on, now it's time to go (My final ride is almost done!) / Come lift my spirit up, I'm BLAINE!". [[SarcasmMode Aww]], he's ''[[TheWoobie lonely]]!'' But he's also batshit insane and suicidal, and [[TakingYouWithMe misery loves company...]]
1st Jan '17 1:32:31 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The FilkSong "Terror Train" by DemonsAndWizards portrays Blaine as a pathetic PsychopathicManchild with an InferioritySuperiorityComplex, who is still a legitimate threat. The chorus: "No one really knows the pain I'm going through (My final ride is almost done!) / The world has moved on, now it's time to go (My final ride is almost done!) / Come lift my spirit up, I'm BLAINE!". [[SarcasmMode Aww]], he's ''[[TheWoobie lonely]]!'' But he's also batshit insane and suicidal, and [[TakingYouWithMe misery loves company...]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The FilkSong "Terror Train" by DemonsAndWizards portrays Blaine as a pathetic PsychopathicManchild with an InferioritySuperiorityComplex, who is still a legitimate threat. The chorus: "No one really knows the pain I'm going through (My final ride is almost done!) / The world has moved on, now it's time to go (My final ride is almost done!) / Come lift my spirit up, I'm BLAINE!". [[SarcasmMode Aww]], he's ''[[TheWoobie lonely]]!'' But he's also batshit insane and suicidal, and [[TakingYouWithMe misery loves company...]]
19th Oct '16 2:53:58 AM SorPepita
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* VillainDecay [[spoiler:In the final book, Walter o'Dim/Randall Flagg and the Crimson King, the two main villains up until that point, are reduced to almost non-entities. In particular Flagg, who had once been considered King's 'ubervillain', is easily dispatched in one chapter by a newly introduced character, who finds him pathetic. This is especially troublesome to some fans, since Flagg has been especially troublesome to numerous Stephen King characters over they years, even surviving (or, more accurately, respawning after) a nuclear blast. Having Mordred kill him is obviously to establish Mordred as even more sinister and dangerous than Flagg, but that's a bit hard, if not impossible, after developing the Flagg character for decades and across numerous books. Made worse by the fact that Roland kills him with a single shot.]]

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* VillainDecay VillainDecay: [[spoiler:In the final book, Walter o'Dim/Randall Flagg and the Crimson King, the two main villains up until that point, are reduced to almost non-entities. In particular Flagg, who had once been considered King's 'ubervillain', is easily dispatched in one chapter by a newly introduced character, who finds him pathetic. This is especially troublesome to some fans, since Flagg has been especially troublesome to numerous Stephen King characters over they the years, even surviving (or, more accurately, respawning after) a nuclear blast. Having Mordred kill him is obviously to establish Mordred as even more sinister and dangerous than Flagg, but that's a bit hard, if not impossible, after developing the Flagg character for decades and across numerous books. Made worse by the fact that Roland kills him with a single shot.]]
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