History YMMV / TheDarkTower

27th Apr '16 6:54:53 PM Eagal
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* NightmareFuel: The ''Charlie the Choo Choo'' book is an in-universe example; King definitely intends for his own readers to find it creepy.
** The Tunnel Demon in ''Literature/TheDarkTower''. A giant albino worm chasing after Roland and Susannah through the tunnels between Fedic and the Badlands for God knows how long. They only survive because it is sensitive to light, but their Sterno (artifical fire) gets notably less and less in time. The light at the end of the tunnel comes as a great relief to both Roland and Susannah and the readers.
** Mordred's birth, '''dear lord'''
* ReplacementScrappy: [[spoiler:After being King's ubervillain since the 70s, King thought it was a good idea to replace Randall Flagg with the newly-introduced Mordred as Roland's main antagonist for the last book.]]
* SeasonalRot
* ShootTheShaggyDog: Many fans felt this way about the ending.
* {{Squick}}; Rhea examining Susan in ''Wizard and Glass''. Ew. In fact, Rhea in general.

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* NightmareFuel: The ''Charlie the Choo Choo'' book is an in-universe example; King definitely intends for his own readers to find it creepy.
NightmareFuel:
** The Tunnel Demon in ''Literature/TheDarkTower''. A giant albino worm chasing after Roland and Susannah through the tunnels between Fedic and the Badlands for God knows how long. They only survive because it is sensitive to light, but their Sterno (artifical (artificial fire) gets notably less and less in time. The light at the end of the tunnel comes as a great relief to both Roland and Susannah and the readers.
** %%** The ''Charlie the Choo Choo'' book is an in-universe example; King definitely intends for his own readers to find it creepy.
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Mordred's birth, '''dear lord'''
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* ReplacementScrappy: [[spoiler:After After being King's ubervillain since the 70s, King thought it was a good idea to replace Randall Flagg replace [[spoiler:Randall Flagg]] with the newly-introduced Mordred as Roland's main antagonist for the last book.]]
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SeasonalRot
* ShootTheShaggyDog: Many fans felt this way about the ending.
* {{Squick}};
%%* {{Squick}}: Rhea examining Susan in ''Wizard and Glass''. Ew.Glass''. In fact, Rhea in general.



* CanonSue: Aileen in the comics.
* CompleteMonster: The vileness of John Farson is greatly expanded upon here.
* TheScrappy: Aileen to some fans.
* TearJerker: ''Fall of Gilead'' and ''Battle of Jericho Hill''.

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* CanonSue: Aileen in the comics.
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%%* CompleteMonster: The vileness of John Farson is greatly expanded upon here.
* %%* TheScrappy: Aileen to some fans.
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TearJerker: ''Fall of Gilead'' and ''Battle of Jericho Hill''.
27th Apr '16 6:51:33 PM Eagal
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** [[spoiler:It's made to look like the Tick Tock Man will be the first villain to present an actual phsyical threat to the gunslingers, being a mucle-bound badass who might actually be ''faster'' than Roland himself. Nope, he's defeated by Jake once, then brought back just to get unceremoniously gunned down a second time without ever putting up a fight]].
** [[spoiler:Randall Flagg gets killed by Mordred without putting up any significant resistance. There's even a momentary fake-out where it looks like Flagg might have gained a small advantage, but the narration negates it in the very next sentence. King has said that he considers Flagg his best villain, and the character was presented as Roland's nemesis since book one]].
** [[spoiler:In spite of getting an entire book to herald his introduction and possessing mind-control powers, Mordred doesn't do much after he's set free. For a long time he just follows behind Roland's crew, starving and freezing. By the time he finally attacks, he's dying from poisoned meat and does nothing but charge at Roland. Although he does manage to kill Oy, he's killed by a few well-placed bullets, just like any other mook]].
** [[spoiler:The Crimson King is some sort of immortal demi-god whose presense is felt through most of the series. By the time we see him, he's just a crazy old man with nothing in his arsenal but sneetches, which we've seen used several times before and present almost no threat to a gunslinger. He's defeated by a deus-ex-machina]].

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** [[spoiler:It's It's made to look like the Tick Tock Man will be the first villain to present an actual phsyical threat to the gunslingers, being a mucle-bound badass who might actually be ''faster'' than Roland himself. Nope, he's defeated by Jake once, then brought back just to get unceremoniously gunned down a second time without ever putting up a fight]].
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** [[spoiler:Randall Flagg Flagg]] gets killed by Mordred without putting up any significant resistance. There's even a momentary fake-out where it looks like Flagg [[spoiler: Flagg]] might have gained a small advantage, but the narration negates it in the very next sentence. King has said that he considers Flagg his best villain, and the character was presented as Roland's nemesis since book one]].
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** [[spoiler:In In spite of getting an entire book to herald his introduction and possessing mind-control powers, Mordred doesn't do much after he's set free. For a long time he just follows behind Roland's crew, starving and freezing. By the time he finally attacks, he's dying from poisoned meat and does nothing but charge at Roland. Although he does manage to kill Oy, he's killed by a few well-placed bullets, just like any other mook]].
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** [[spoiler:The The Crimson King is some sort of immortal demi-god whose presense presence is felt through most of the series. By the time we see him, he's just a crazy old man with nothing in his arsenal but sneetches, which we've seen used several times before and present almost no threat to a gunslinger. He's defeated by a deus-ex-machina]]. Patrick.



* EsotericHappyEnding: [[spoiler:Susannah goes into an alternate reality version of New York where Eddie and Jake are still alive and in fact are brothers. She appears in Central Park at Christmas time, alternate-Eddie greets her with a cup of hot chocolate, and it's clearly supposed to be her happy ending... except many readers feel that Susannah abandoned the quest and is now trapped in a world that isn't her own with a couple of Replacement Goldfish who aren't really the people she loved.]]
* EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory: Mocked in ''Literature/TheWastelands''.

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* EsotericHappyEnding: [[spoiler:Susannah Susannah goes into an alternate reality version of New York where Eddie [[spoiler:Eddie and Jake are still alive and in fact are brothers. brothers.]] She appears in Central Park at Christmas time, alternate-Eddie [[spoiler:alternate-Eddie greets her with a cup of hot chocolate, chocolate,]] and it's clearly supposed to be her happy ending... except many readers feel that Susannah abandoned the quest and is now trapped in a world that isn't her own with a couple of Replacement Goldfish ReplacementGoldfish who aren't really the people she loved.]]
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EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory: Mocked in ''Literature/TheWastelands''.



* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Roland leaving Jake for dead at the end of the first book solidified his status as an antihero.]] To be fair, it doesn't stick forever, but the guilt for such an act sticks around for awhile, and the third book both subverts (in effect if not in morality) the MEH and reminds the readers [[spoiler: and Roland]] about how depraved such an act was.
14th Jan '16 8:19:02 PM arsepoetica
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* VillainDecay [[spoiler:In the final book, Walter o'Dim/Randall Flagg and the Crimson King, the two main villains up until that point, are reduced to almost non-entities. In particular Flagg, who had once been considered King's 'ubervillain', is easily dispatched in one chapter by a newly introduced character, who finds him pathetic.]]

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* VillainDecay [[spoiler:In the final book, Walter o'Dim/Randall Flagg and the Crimson King, the two main villains up until that point, are reduced to almost non-entities. In particular Flagg, who had once been considered King's 'ubervillain', is easily dispatched in one chapter by a newly introduced character, who finds him pathetic. This is especially troublesome to some fans, since Flagg has been especially troublesome to numerous Stephen King characters over they years, even surviving (or, more accurately, respawning after) a nuclear blast. Having Mordred kill him is obviously to establish Mordred as even more sinister and dangerous than Flagg, but that's a bit hard, if not impossible, after developing the Flagg character for decades and across numerous books. Made worse by the fact that Roland kills him with a single shot.]]
30th Sep '15 1:59:10 PM CassandraLeo
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* JumpingTheShark: Some fans believe this happened with ''Literature/WolvesOfTheCalla'', which was written soon after King's car accident. Others cite ''Literature/WizardAndGlass'', or even as early as ''Literature/TheDrawingOfTheThree''.

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* JumpingTheShark: Some fans believe this happened with ''Literature/WolvesOfTheCalla'', which was written soon after King's car accident. Others cite ''Literature/WizardAndGlass'', or even as early as ''Literature/TheDrawingOfTheThree''.''Literature/TheDrawingOfTheThree'', while still others claim it happened later, in ''Literature/SongOfSusannah'' or ''Literature/TheDarkTower''.
25th Aug '15 7:30:22 PM randomtroper89
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* ChrisCarterEffect: King mentioned early on in the afterward to ''The Gunslinger'' that he had no idea where the series was going. By the end of the series, it gets to the point where numerous plot points are ignored, contradicted or {{handwaved}} as CanonDiscontinuity.

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* ChrisCarterEffect: TheChrisCarterEffect: King mentioned early on in the afterward to ''The Gunslinger'' that he had no idea where the series was going. By the end of the series, it gets to the point where numerous plot points are ignored, contradicted or {{handwaved}} as CanonDiscontinuity.
29th Jul '15 10:42:46 PM localvagrant
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** Mordred's birth, '''dear lord'''
23rd Apr '15 6:42:16 AM BeskarKomrk
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* TearJerker
** [[spoiler:Roland's reaction to Susannah's decision to leave.]]
** [[spoiler:Jake's deaths, and especially Oy's depression after the final one.]]
** [[spoiler:And Oy's death.]] This line in particular:
-->[[spoiler:''The body was far smaller than the heart it had held.'']]
** [[spoiler:Eddie Dean's death.]]
** The [[spoiler:breaking of the ka-tet]], every single bit, in ''The Dark Tower''. There's no one bit that's worse than any other -- after seven books, after loving these (sometimes flawed, sometimes inconsistent) characters, the end is sad, not least because it's the end [[spoiler:''...at least, in a way'']].
30th Jun '13 8:56:10 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: The vileness of John Farson and Walter o'Dim is greatly expanded upon here. Although the latter gets a PetTheDogMoment when it's revealed that he was genuinely in love with Roland's mother Gabrielle.

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* CompleteMonster: The vileness of John Farson and Walter o'Dim is greatly expanded upon here. Although the latter gets a PetTheDogMoment when it's revealed that he was genuinely in love with Roland's mother Gabrielle.here.
30th Jun '13 1:08:33 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: It is revealed that Flagg has lived for so long and accumulated so much power that he has become the emissary for the [[{{Satan}} Crimson King]]. Flagg earns Roland Deschain's undying hatred for beating and sleeping with Rolandís mother, and for aiding the revolutionary, John Farson, in causing the destruction of the city of Gilead. Flagg also forces Roland to let his preteen companion, Jake Chambers, die, and drives a girl insane by telling her the trigger phrase which causes a formerly dead man to [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow recount the afterlife to her]]. Corruptive, treacherous and sadistic, Flagg's ultimate goal was to betray his master and climb to the top of the Dark Tower in order to become God of all.

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* CompleteMonster: It is revealed that Randall Flagg has lived for so long and accumulated so much power that he has become the emissary for the [[{{Satan}} Crimson King]]. Flagg earns Roland Deschain's undying hatred for beating and sleeping with Rolandís mother, and for aiding the revolutionary, John Farson, in causing the destruction of the city of Gilead. Flagg also forces Roland to let his preteen companion, Jake Chambers, die, and drives a girl insane by telling her the trigger phrase which causes a formerly dead man to [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow recount the afterlife to her]]. Corruptive, treacherous and sadistic, Flagg's ultimate goal was to betray his master and climb to the top of the Dark Tower in order to become God of all.
22nd Jun '13 4:17:25 PM ACW
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*CompleteMonster: It is revealed that Flagg has lived for so long and accumulated so much power that he has become the emissary for the [[{{Satan}} Crimson King]]. Flagg earns Roland Deschain's undying hatred for beating and sleeping with Rolandís mother, and for aiding the revolutionary, John Farson, in causing the destruction of the city of Gilead. Flagg also forces Roland to let his preteen companion, Jake Chambers, die, and drives a girl insane by telling her the trigger phrase which causes a formerly dead man to [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow recount the afterlife to her]]. Corruptive, treacherous and sadistic, Flagg's ultimate goal was to betray his master and climb to the top of the Dark Tower in order to become God of all.
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