History YMMV / TheDarkKnightRises

21st Nov '16 9:05:23 PM comicwriter
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** A few years before ''The Dark Knight Rises'', Anne Hathaway nearly played one of the main villains in the unmade ''{{Film/SpiderMan|Trilogy}} 4''. The villain in question? ''Comicbook/BlackCat'', a character who has a reputation for being a total rip-off of Catwoman.
5th Oct '16 4:12:29 PM fearlessnikki
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* SheReallyCanAct: While Anne Hathaway is a respected actress among critics, she has a notable hatedom for always playing Woobie-ish good girls, and many people protested her casting for this reason. Here however she goes radically against type and shows that she can play a manipulative ActionGirl.



* StrangledByTheRedString: Bruce falls in love twice during the film, and it's debatable whether either time was all that convincing.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: Bruce falls in love twice during the film, and it's debatable whether either time was all that convincing. The CoitusEnsues part between Bruce and Miranda is especially weird, because it has no build-up and [[AbortedArc doesn't even get mentioned again]]. [[spoiler: Retroactively it makes a little more sense from Miranda/Talia's perspective but not Bruce's]].
4th Sep '16 5:41:01 PM fearlessnikki
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* OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler:Jonathan Crane]] is a two-scene wonder and one of the most memorable parts of the film.

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[[spoiler:Jonathan Crane]] is a two-scene wonder and one of the most memorable parts of the film.



** Desmond Harrington as the police officer who [[spoiler: blows up the bridge near the end]]. In such a small part, he conveys just how scared and reluctant he is to do it.



* RetroactiveRecognition: The blond trader at the stock exchange who Bane chokes to death would go onto become [[Series/ScreamQueens2015 Chad Radwell]].



* RomanticPlotTumor: Bruce falls in love twice during the film, and it's debatable whether either time was all that convincing.


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* StrangledByTheRedString: Bruce falls in love twice during the film, and it's debatable whether either time was all that convincing.
3rd Sep '16 9:55:13 PM StarSword
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*** And as usual, Batman/Bruce Wayne himself - noble crusader or emotionally stunted, self-destructive ManChild who must finally grow up?
*** That's not even an alternate interpretation, that's the point of the movie: Batman is so consumed by his own survivor's guilt that even when his city no longer needs him, he cannot move on and return to a normal life of being Bruce Wayne. So he becomes a recluse, failing to do the good that he is capable of doing as Bruce Wayne, [[spoiler: and this is what allows the villains of the film to take over the city. The only way for him to save Gotham is to reclaim his will to live.]]
** It's possible that the ending is [[spoiler:[[AllJustADream All Just A Dream]] of Alfred's - though that wouldn't explain why he specifically imagines Bruce with Selina, a woman he barely knew beyond one brief meeting and a rap sheet]].
* AnticlimaxBoss: [[spoiler:When Talia reveals herself in the final act, Bane is seemingly killed off by Catwoman in a way that some find anticlimactic.]]

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*** And as usual, Batman/Bruce Wayne himself - noble crusader or emotionally stunted, self-destructive ManChild who must finally grow up?
*** That's not even an alternate interpretation, that's the point of the movie: Batman is so consumed by his own survivor's guilt that even when his city no longer needs him, he cannot move on and return to a normal life of being Bruce Wayne. So he becomes a recluse, failing to do the good that he is capable of doing as Bruce Wayne, [[spoiler: and this is what allows the villains of the film to take over the city. The only way for him to save Gotham is to reclaim his will to live.]]
** It's possible that the ending is [[spoiler:[[AllJustADream All Just A Dream]] [[spoiler:AllJustADream of Alfred's - though that wouldn't explain why he specifically imagines Bruce with Selina, a woman he barely knew beyond one brief meeting and a rap sheet]].
sheet]]. (According to Creator/ChristianBale, it wasn't an ImagineSpot or dream sequence.)
* AnticlimaxBoss: [[spoiler:When Talia reveals herself in the final act, Bane is seemingly and abruptly killed off by Catwoman with a shot from the Batpod's cannon in a way that some find anticlimactic.]]



** FridgeBrilliance: [[spoiler:Bane could only be killed if taken by surprise.]]
*** [[spoiler:Alternatively, it took heavy artillery to take down Bane.]]



* BrokenBase: One of the biggest dividing points is the film's ending [[spoiler:in which Bruce Wayne finally retires from being Batman, passes the torch to John Blake and chooses to live happily ever after in Europe - specifically Italy - with Selina ''Catwoman'' Kyle, Earth 2 style. Cue fans claiming "The Real Batman Would Never Do That!", "The Real Batman Could Never Do That!", "The Real Bruce Wayne Can Never Stop Being Batman!" and so on and so forth, to the point that some even say "The Real Batman Would Die Before He Stopped Being Batman!" and keep insisting that a better ending would be Bruce being dead for real, even though that completely defeats the whole point of the film, that Bruce had to find the will to live and move on with his life. Having him learn that just to die anyway would be counterproductive to say the least.]] Others dislike the ending because they were hoping for an open ended ''and the adventure continues...'' type ending wherein future filmmakers and casts could pick up where Nolan and co left off and continue to expand and build upon his work, possibly even using his saga as the launch pad for a cinematic DC Universe, something Warner Bros. had tried to do with 2011's ''Green Lantern'' and now seemed to determined to start with 2013's ''Man of Steel'' (featuring the long awaited reboot for Superman).

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One of the biggest dividing points is the film's ending [[spoiler:in which Bruce Wayne finally retires from being Batman, passes the torch to John Blake and chooses to live happily ever after in Europe - specifically Italy - with Selina ''Catwoman'' "Catwoman" Kyle, Earth 2 style. Cue fans claiming "The Real Batman Would Never Do That!", "The Real Batman Could Never Do That!", "The Real Bruce Wayne Can Never Stop Being Batman!" and so on and so forth, to the point that some even say "The Real Batman Would Die Before He Stopped Being Batman!" and keep insisting that a better ending would be Bruce being dead for real, even though that completely defeats the whole point of the film, that Bruce had to find the will to live and move on with his life. Having him learn that just to die anyway would be counterproductive to say the least.]] Others dislike the ending because they were hoping for an open ended ''and the adventure continues...'' type ending wherein future filmmakers and casts could pick up where Nolan and co left off and continue to expand and build upon his work, possibly even using his saga as the launch pad for a cinematic DC Universe, something Warner Bros. had tried to do with 2011's ''Green Lantern'' and now seemed to determined to start with 2013's ''Man of Steel'' (featuring the long awaited reboot for Superman).



* ContestedSequel: A masterpiece just like [[Film/TheDarkKnight its predecessor]], a good movie despite [[ToughActToFollow not living up to its predecessor]], or a [[{{Sequelitis}} typical disappointing superhero threequel]]? Nearly everyone agrees that TheDarkKnight was better so really it's a contest of whether this movie or BatmanBegins gets second place.

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* ContestedSequel: A masterpiece just like [[Film/TheDarkKnight its predecessor]], a good movie despite [[ToughActToFollow not living up to its predecessor]], or a [[{{Sequelitis}} typical disappointing superhero threequel]]? Nearly everyone agrees that TheDarkKnight ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' was better so really it's a contest of whether this movie or BatmanBegins gets second place.
2nd Sep '16 6:51:51 AM ProbableCod
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The inclusion of Catwoman and Miranda Tate was a partial response to the slight criticism of a lack of interesting female characters in the first 2 films.
1st Aug '16 12:34:44 AM SinNanna
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* SignatureScene: ''Definitely'' the plane scene. Baneposting has been a beloved pastime on the internet for years afterward.
28th Jul '16 6:01:53 PM Scabbard
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Bane's intelligent depiction here did wonders for many mainstream viewers whose perception of him was DumbMuscle (Especially if Film/BatmanAndRobin was their biggest exposure to him) and many comics fans agree it has made quite a positive impact in [[CharacterRerailment returning]] him to his ''Knightfall'' [[GeniusBruiser characterization.]]

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Bane's intelligent depiction here did wonders for many mainstream viewers whose perception of him was DumbMuscle (Especially (especially if Film/BatmanAndRobin was their biggest exposure to him) and many comics fans agree it has made quite a positive impact in [[CharacterRerailment returning]] him to his ''Knightfall'' [[GeniusBruiser characterization.]]
24th Jul '16 5:53:32 AM WhatArtThee
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: The film received a PG-13 rating in the US and a 12A in the United Kingdom, not to mention an M (suitable for 15 years and over) in Australia, owing to its brutal violence and dark themes - [[NostalgiaCritic you know, for kids!]] However, that didn't stop Mattel making a ''The Dark Knight Rises'' toy line.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: The film received a PG-13 rating in the US and a 12A in the United Kingdom, not to mention an M (suitable for 15 years and over) in Australia, owing to its brutal violence and dark themes - [[NostalgiaCritic you know, for kids!]] However, that didn't stop Mattel making a ''The Dark Knight Rises'' toy line.
20th Jul '16 8:01:28 AM SunriseWarrior
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** The film was very well-received but was [[ToughActToFollow agreed not to live up to the high standard of its predecessor]] according to Rotten Tomatoes.[[note]]Generally speaking, it's regarded to be as good as or slightly better than ''Film/BatmanBegins''.[[/note]] It's often compared to ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' in this respect.

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** The film was very well-received but was [[ToughActToFollow agreed not to live up to the high standard of its predecessor]] according to Rotten Tomatoes.predecessor.[[note]]Generally speaking, it's regarded to be as good as or slightly better than ''Film/BatmanBegins''.[[/note]] It's often compared to ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' in this respect.
20th Jul '16 7:55:58 AM SunriseWarrior
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* ContestedSequel: A masterpiece just like [[Film/TheDarkKnight its predecessor]], a good movie despite [[ToughActToFollow not living up to its predecessor]], or a [[{{Sequelitis}} typical disappointing superhero threequel]]? Nearly everyone agrees that TheDarkKnight was better so really it's a contest of whether this movie of BatmanBegins gets second place.

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* ContestedSequel: A masterpiece just like [[Film/TheDarkKnight its predecessor]], a good movie despite [[ToughActToFollow not living up to its predecessor]], or a [[{{Sequelitis}} typical disappointing superhero threequel]]? Nearly everyone agrees that TheDarkKnight was better so really it's a contest of whether this movie of or BatmanBegins gets second place.
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