History YMMV / TheConversionBureau

29th Jan '17 4:49:10 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* RonTheDeathEater: Poor, poor Princess Celestia. Intentionally [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic or not]], her AllLovingHero BigGood characterization keeps getting dragged through the mud. Both straight and anti- ''Conversion Bureau'' stories portray her as ponified '''[[AbsoluteXenophobe ADOLF]] [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HITLER]]''', and it's very rare that a story actually takes time to establish ''why'' she would proceed with the AssimilationPlot, be it brainwashing, getting [[MaddenIntoMisanthropy maddened into misanthropy]], or feeling that doing so was a necessary evil.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Poor, poor Princess Celestia. Intentionally [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic or not]], her AllLovingHero BigGood characterization keeps getting dragged through the mud. Both straight and anti- ''Conversion Bureau'' stories portray her as ponified '''[[AbsoluteXenophobe ADOLF]] a KnightTemplar AbsoluteXenophobe [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HITLER]]''', dictator]], and it's very rare that a story actually takes time to establish ''why'' she would proceed with the AssimilationPlot, be it brainwashing, getting [[MaddenIntoMisanthropy maddened into misanthropy]], or feeling that doing so was a necessary evil.
7th Jan '17 1:19:19 AM memememememe
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* RonTheDeathEater: Poor, poor Princess Celestia. Intentionally [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic or not]], her AllLovingHero BigGood characterization keeps getting dragged through the mud. Both straight and anti- ''Conversion Bureau'' stories portray her as pinified ''[[AbsoluteXenophobe ADOLF]] [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HITLER]]'', and it's very rare that a story actually takes time to establish ''why'' she would proceed with the AssimilationPlot, be it brainwashing, getting [[MaddenIntoMisanthropy maddened into misanthropy]], or feeling that doing so was a necessary evil.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Poor, poor Princess Celestia. Intentionally [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic or not]], her AllLovingHero BigGood characterization keeps getting dragged through the mud. Both straight and anti- ''Conversion Bureau'' stories portray her as pinified ''[[AbsoluteXenophobe ponified '''[[AbsoluteXenophobe ADOLF]] [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HITLER]]'', HITLER]]''', and it's very rare that a story actually takes time to establish ''why'' she would proceed with the AssimilationPlot, be it brainwashing, getting [[MaddenIntoMisanthropy maddened into misanthropy]], or feeling that doing so was a necessary evil.
7th Jan '17 1:18:33 AM memememememe
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* RonTheDeathEater: Poor, poor Princess Celestia. Intentionally [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic or not]], her AllLovingHero BigGood characterization keeps getting dragged through the mud. Both bad straight and anti- ''Conversion Bureau'' stories portray her as a genocidal KnightTemplar AbsoluteXenophobe dictator, and it's very rare that a story actually takes time to establish ''why'' she would proceed with the AssimilationPlot, be it brainwashing, getting [[MaddenIntoMisanthropy maddened into misanthropy]], or feeling that doing so was a necessary evil.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Poor, poor Princess Celestia. Intentionally [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic or not]], her AllLovingHero BigGood characterization keeps getting dragged through the mud. Both bad straight and anti- ''Conversion Bureau'' stories portray her as a genocidal KnightTemplar AbsoluteXenophobe dictator, pinified ''[[AbsoluteXenophobe ADOLF]] [[ANaziByAnyOtherName HITLER]]'', and it's very rare that a story actually takes time to establish ''why'' she would proceed with the AssimilationPlot, be it brainwashing, getting [[MaddenIntoMisanthropy maddened into misanthropy]], or feeling that doing so was a necessary evil.
13th Dec '16 12:45:29 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** On a smaller scale, any character who refuses to convert and calls the ponies out on the genocide they are conducting is written as such. Not only are they totally unsympathetic and beyond any kind of redemption on their own, they must be ''forced'' to convert. See HumansAreTheRealMonsters on the main page in her category for the reason why she does this.

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** On a smaller scale, any character who refuses to convert and calls the ponies out on the genocide they are conducting is written as such. Not only are they totally unsympathetic and beyond any kind of redemption on their own, they must be ''forced'' to convert. See HumansAreTheRealMonsters on the main page in her category for the reason why she does this.
13th Dec '16 12:42:29 PM DDRMASTERM
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** On a smaller scale, any haracter who refuses to convert and calls the ponies out on the genocide they are conducting is written as such. Not only are they totally unsympathetic and beyond any kind of redemption on their own, they must be ''forced'' to convert. See HumansAreTheRealMonsters on the main page in her category for the reason why she does this.

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** On a smaller scale, any haracter character who refuses to convert and calls the ponies out on the genocide they are conducting is written as such. Not only are they totally unsympathetic and beyond any kind of redemption on their own, they must be ''forced'' to convert. See HumansAreTheRealMonsters on the main page in her category for the reason why she does this.
22nd Nov '16 10:05:23 AM Morgenthaler
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* AudienceColoringAdaptation: Many of the elements associated with ''The Conversion Bureau'' and its spin-offs such as the misanthropy and the humans having to have their personalities changed are due to Chatoyance's works rather than the original story, which had some of the former but not as blatantly and only the vaguest hint of the latter... [[LoveItOrHateIt for better or worse]].



* InkStainAdaptation: Many of the elements associated with ''The Conversion Bureau'' and its spin-offs such as the misanthropy and the humans having to have their personalities changed are due to Chatoyance's works rather than the original story, which had some of the former but not as blatantly and only the vaguest hint of the latter... [[LoveItOrHateIt for better or worse]].
18th Oct '16 8:30:30 AM dlchen145
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Specifically, a high level HLF operative named Ralph in ''The 800 Year Promise''. He [[AffablyEvil introduces himself cheerfully]], [[MagnificentBastard completely outwits the heroes]], [[ShutUpKirk trumps them in a moral debate]], [[{{Badass}} isn't afraid to get his hands dirty]], and [[WhatTheHellHero calls Celestia out]] on her more questionable acts. Is there any wonder so many people [[RootingForTheEmpire wanted him to win]]?

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Specifically, a high level HLF operative named Ralph in ''The 800 Year Promise''. He [[AffablyEvil introduces himself cheerfully]], [[MagnificentBastard completely outwits the heroes]], [[ShutUpKirk trumps them in a moral debate]], [[{{Badass}} debate]], isn't afraid to get his hands dirty]], dirty, and [[WhatTheHellHero calls Celestia out]] on her more questionable acts. Is there any wonder so many people [[RootingForTheEmpire wanted him to win]]?
13th Oct '16 5:02:25 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* RonTheDeathEater: Poor, poor Princess Celestia. Intentionally [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic or not]], her AllLovingHero BigGood characterization keeps getting through the mud. Both bad straight and anti- ''Conversion Bureau'' stories portray her as a genocidal KnightTemplar AbsoluteXenophobe dictator, and it's very rare that a story actually takes time to establish ''why'' she would start making like [[Franchise/StarTrek the Borg]], be it brainwashing, getting [[MaddenIntoMisanthropy maddened into misanthropy]]], or feeling that doing so was a necessary evil.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Poor, poor Princess Celestia. Intentionally [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic or not]], her AllLovingHero BigGood characterization keeps getting dragged through the mud. Both bad straight and anti- ''Conversion Bureau'' stories portray her as a genocidal KnightTemplar AbsoluteXenophobe dictator, and it's very rare that a story actually takes time to establish ''why'' she would start making like [[Franchise/StarTrek proceed with the Borg]], AssimilationPlot, be it brainwashing, getting [[MaddenIntoMisanthropy maddened into misanthropy]]], misanthropy]], or feeling that doing so was a necessary evil.
13th Oct '16 5:01:05 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* RonTheDeathEater: If Celestia being portrayed by popular culture as a [[MemeticPsychopath dictator]] was Out-of-Character enough, then you haven't seen The Conversion Bureau series. In just about every TCB or Anti-TCB story, her original character as a BigGood is utterly and completely annihilated removing any semblance she has with the MLP show at all ([[DesignatedHero though not always intentionally]]). Celestia in this genre tends to be AdolfHitler turned UpToEleven, [[RecycledInSpace made into a pony]] and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope Jumps off the Slippery Slope]], advocating [[FinalSolution the complete annihilation of mankind]] [[TheSocialDarwinist because they are inferior and barbaric compared to the Equine Master Race]]. She has become a NecessaryWeasel crossing as many war crimes and {{Moral Event Horizon}}s as can be fathomed to drum up the message that Celestia is a monster and that HumansAreSpecial. Some authors HandWave this as Celestia has simply been a [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation very convincing actor]] when she needs to mislead people. It's rare to find a fic that takes the time to give a good reason for ''why'' Celestia would do this if it wasn't the last resort, be it brainwashing or being broken by years of watching human atrocities.

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* RonTheDeathEater: If Celestia being portrayed by popular culture as a [[MemeticPsychopath dictator]] was Out-of-Character enough, then you haven't seen The Conversion Bureau series. In just about every TCB Poor, poor Princess Celestia. Intentionally [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic or Anti-TCB story, not]], her original character as a AllLovingHero BigGood is utterly characterization keeps getting through the mud. Both bad straight and completely annihilated removing any semblance she has with the MLP show at all ([[DesignatedHero though not always intentionally]]). Celestia in this genre tends to be AdolfHitler turned UpToEleven, [[RecycledInSpace made into anti- ''Conversion Bureau'' stories portray her as a pony]] genocidal KnightTemplar AbsoluteXenophobe dictator, and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope Jumps off the Slippery Slope]], advocating [[FinalSolution the complete annihilation of mankind]] [[TheSocialDarwinist because they are inferior and barbaric compared to the Equine Master Race]]. She has become a NecessaryWeasel crossing as many war crimes and {{Moral Event Horizon}}s as can be fathomed to drum up the message it's very rare that Celestia is a monster and that HumansAreSpecial. Some authors HandWave this as Celestia has simply been a [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation very convincing actor]] when she needs to mislead people. It's rare to find a fic that story actually takes the time to give a good reason for establish ''why'' Celestia she would do this if it wasn't start making like [[Franchise/StarTrek the last resort, Borg]], be it brainwashing brainwashing, getting [[MaddenIntoMisanthropy maddened into misanthropy]]], or being broken by years of watching human atrocities.feeling that doing so was a necessary evil.
13th Oct '16 4:52:05 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* DeathOfTheAuthor: The author of the original ''The Conversion Bureau'', Blaze, wrote his story as pretty basic wish-fulfillment/theory about why Equestria doesn't have humans, with some accidental HumansAreBastards implications. The genre inspired by the story takes it as a tract about how HumansAreBastards and therefore need to be [[AssimilationPlot assimilated]] by the ponies, [[Franchise/StarTrek Borg]] style.
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