History YMMV / TheConversionBureau

22nd Nov '16 10:05:23 AM Morgenthaler
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* AudienceColoringAdaptation: Many of the elements associated with ''The Conversion Bureau'' and its spin-offs such as the misanthropy and the humans having to have their personalities changed are due to Chatoyance's works rather than the original story, which had some of the former but not as blatantly and only the vaguest hint of the latter... [[LoveItOrHateIt for better or worse]].



* InkStainAdaptation: Many of the elements associated with ''The Conversion Bureau'' and its spin-offs such as the misanthropy and the humans having to have their personalities changed are due to Chatoyance's works rather than the original story, which had some of the former but not as blatantly and only the vaguest hint of the latter... [[LoveItOrHateIt for better or worse]].
18th Oct '16 8:30:30 AM dlchen145
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Specifically, a high level HLF operative named Ralph in ''The 800 Year Promise''. He [[AffablyEvil introduces himself cheerfully]], [[MagnificentBastard completely outwits the heroes]], [[ShutUpKirk trumps them in a moral debate]], [[{{Badass}} isn't afraid to get his hands dirty]], and [[WhatTheHellHero calls Celestia out]] on her more questionable acts. Is there any wonder so many people [[RootingForTheEmpire wanted him to win]]?

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Specifically, a high level HLF operative named Ralph in ''The 800 Year Promise''. He [[AffablyEvil introduces himself cheerfully]], [[MagnificentBastard completely outwits the heroes]], [[ShutUpKirk trumps them in a moral debate]], [[{{Badass}} debate]], isn't afraid to get his hands dirty]], dirty, and [[WhatTheHellHero calls Celestia out]] on her more questionable acts. Is there any wonder so many people [[RootingForTheEmpire wanted him to win]]?
13th Oct '16 5:02:25 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* RonTheDeathEater: Poor, poor Princess Celestia. Intentionally [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic or not]], her AllLovingHero BigGood characterization keeps getting through the mud. Both bad straight and anti- ''Conversion Bureau'' stories portray her as a genocidal KnightTemplar AbsoluteXenophobe dictator, and it's very rare that a story actually takes time to establish ''why'' she would start making like [[Franchise/StarTrek the Borg]], be it brainwashing, getting [[MaddenIntoMisanthropy maddened into misanthropy]]], or feeling that doing so was a necessary evil.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Poor, poor Princess Celestia. Intentionally [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic or not]], her AllLovingHero BigGood characterization keeps getting dragged through the mud. Both bad straight and anti- ''Conversion Bureau'' stories portray her as a genocidal KnightTemplar AbsoluteXenophobe dictator, and it's very rare that a story actually takes time to establish ''why'' she would start making like [[Franchise/StarTrek proceed with the Borg]], AssimilationPlot, be it brainwashing, getting [[MaddenIntoMisanthropy maddened into misanthropy]]], misanthropy]], or feeling that doing so was a necessary evil.
13th Oct '16 5:01:05 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* RonTheDeathEater: If Celestia being portrayed by popular culture as a [[MemeticPsychopath dictator]] was Out-of-Character enough, then you haven't seen The Conversion Bureau series. In just about every TCB or Anti-TCB story, her original character as a BigGood is utterly and completely annihilated removing any semblance she has with the MLP show at all ([[DesignatedHero though not always intentionally]]). Celestia in this genre tends to be AdolfHitler turned UpToEleven, [[RecycledInSpace made into a pony]] and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope Jumps off the Slippery Slope]], advocating [[FinalSolution the complete annihilation of mankind]] [[TheSocialDarwinist because they are inferior and barbaric compared to the Equine Master Race]]. She has become a NecessaryWeasel crossing as many war crimes and {{Moral Event Horizon}}s as can be fathomed to drum up the message that Celestia is a monster and that HumansAreSpecial. Some authors HandWave this as Celestia has simply been a [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation very convincing actor]] when she needs to mislead people. It's rare to find a fic that takes the time to give a good reason for ''why'' Celestia would do this if it wasn't the last resort, be it brainwashing or being broken by years of watching human atrocities.

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* RonTheDeathEater: If Celestia being portrayed by popular culture as a [[MemeticPsychopath dictator]] was Out-of-Character enough, then you haven't seen The Conversion Bureau series. In just about every TCB Poor, poor Princess Celestia. Intentionally [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic or Anti-TCB story, not]], her original character as a AllLovingHero BigGood is utterly characterization keeps getting through the mud. Both bad straight and completely annihilated removing any semblance she has with the MLP show at all ([[DesignatedHero though not always intentionally]]). Celestia in this genre tends to be AdolfHitler turned UpToEleven, [[RecycledInSpace made into anti- ''Conversion Bureau'' stories portray her as a pony]] genocidal KnightTemplar AbsoluteXenophobe dictator, and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope Jumps off the Slippery Slope]], advocating [[FinalSolution the complete annihilation of mankind]] [[TheSocialDarwinist because they are inferior and barbaric compared to the Equine Master Race]]. She has become a NecessaryWeasel crossing as many war crimes and {{Moral Event Horizon}}s as can be fathomed to drum up the message it's very rare that Celestia is a monster and that HumansAreSpecial. Some authors HandWave this as Celestia has simply been a [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation very convincing actor]] when she needs to mislead people. It's rare to find a fic that story actually takes the time to give a good reason for establish ''why'' Celestia she would do this if it wasn't start making like [[Franchise/StarTrek the last resort, Borg]], be it brainwashing brainwashing, getting [[MaddenIntoMisanthropy maddened into misanthropy]]], or being broken by years of watching human atrocities.feeling that doing so was a necessary evil.
13th Oct '16 4:52:05 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* DeathOfTheAuthor: The author of the original ''The Conversion Bureau'', Blaze, wrote his story as pretty basic wish-fulfillment/theory about why Equestria doesn't have humans, with some accidental HumansAreBastards implications. The genre inspired by the story takes it as a tract about how HumansAreBastards and therefore need to be [[AssimilationPlot assimilated]] by the ponies, [[Franchise/StarTrek Borg]] style.
9th Aug '16 10:54:55 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* CounterpointComparison: Rampant xenophobia to the point where xenocide is seen as a good thing, and worshipping a GodEmperor (well, Empress) who leads them in their quest to destroy things not of them? Chatoyance's ponies bear more than a passing resemblance to the [[TabletopGame/Warhammer40000 Imperium of Man]] (who themselves are an amalgamation of the worst parts of several historical regimes, such as the Crusaders, the Soviets, and the Nazis).

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* CounterpointComparison: CounterpartComparison: Rampant xenophobia to the point where xenocide is seen as a good thing, and worshipping a GodEmperor (well, Empress) who leads them in their quest to destroy things not of them? Chatoyance's ponies bear more than a passing resemblance to the [[TabletopGame/Warhammer40000 Imperium of Man]] (who themselves are an amalgamation of the worst parts of several historical regimes, such as the Crusaders, the Soviets, and the Nazis).
9th Aug '16 10:53:59 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* CounterpointComparison: Rampant xenophobia to the point where xenocide is seen as a good thing, and worshipping a GodEmperor (well, Empress) who leads them in their quest to destroy things not of them? Chatoyance's ponies bear more than a passing resemblance to the [[TabletopGame/Warhammer40000 Imperium of Man]] (who themselves are an amalgamation of the worst parts of several historical regimes, such as the Crusaders, the Soviets, and the Nazis).
7th Jul '16 6:09:33 AM Morgenthaler
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Portraying [[TheHighQueen Ce]][[BigGood le]][[TheObiWan st]][[ReasonableAuthorityFigure ia]] as a sociopathic, xenocidal MadGod and the "[[DesignatedHero hero]]" of the story tends to sit poorly with fans of the show. And of course, portraying the human xenocide as a good thing, bombarding the reader with [[{{anvilicious}} heavy-handed]] messages and liberal doses of ThisLoserIsYou tend to repel readers.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Portraying [[TheHighQueen Ce]][[BigGood le]][[TheObiWan st]][[ReasonableAuthorityFigure ia]] Celestia as a sociopathic, xenocidal MadGod and the "[[DesignatedHero hero]]" of the story tends to sit poorly with fans of the show. And of course, portraying the human xenocide as a good thing, bombarding the reader with [[{{anvilicious}} heavy-handed]] messages and liberal doses of ThisLoserIsYou tend to repel readers.
16th Jun '16 5:37:33 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* BrokenBase: Even ''more'' so than the rest of the Conversion Bureau. You either think that her stories are awesome or horrible, there's very little middle ground.

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* BrokenBase: Even ''more'' so than the rest of the Conversion Bureau. You either think that There are people who love her stories and the universes they depict, and there are awesome or horrible, those who think that they're a nightmare of bad writing and UnfortunateImplications, and there's very little middle ground.few in between.
16th Jun '16 5:35:13 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* BrokenBase: Even ''more'' so than the rest of the Conversion Bureau. You either think that her stories are awesome or horrible, there's very little middle ground.
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