History YMMV / TheBreakfastClub

20th Nov '16 11:09:26 AM fearlessnikki
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** ''Website/{{Cracked}}'' has [[BastardBoyfriend a very dark]] [[http://www.cracked.com/article_18435_5-movie-romances-that-wont-last-according-to-science_p2.html interpretation]] of Claire and Bender's romance, and where it's most likely headed.
** When the rest of the Breakfast Club asked Brian to do the paper one could see it as them taking advantage of him because he's the smart one of the group.
** All the time that they've spent in detention was finding new ways to take advantage of one another.



** Was Vernon actually going to beat Bender down? Or was it all an act to prove that Bender isn't as tough as he says he is?
*** Is Vernon a jerkass authority figure that uses his authority to bully the students or is he the designated villain of the movie?
** Does the gang really care about each other? Sure they formed some kind of bond during detention but exactly how close that bond is is up for debate.
** Could the teenagers be exaggerating how horrible their home lives are? Because they aren't exactly honest, and clearly suffer from depression.
*** Taking a look at Brian's interactions with his mother, it is clear that she isn't exactly mother of the year material. So it is safe to assume that his home life isn't as perfect as Bender believes it is.
*** For instance, Brian's not too flattered expression when Bender re-enacts Brian's home life.
** A case could be made for Brian's parents being {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s who were totally in the dark about his suicidal tendencies.
** For Gen-Xer's, the interpretation of each character has changed significantly as we have aged. As teens we related to each of the students, saw the adults as useless or jerkasses, and saw it as a happy ending. As middle-aged adults with teenage children we sympathize much more with Vernon and Carl. We see the kids as being angsty and likely significantly exaggerating their concerns, and know that in all reality the kids all went back to their respective cliques and probably never spoke of their bonding day again.

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** Was Vernon actually going to beat Bender down? Or was it all an act to prove that Bender isn't as tough as he says he is?
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is? Is Vernon a jerkass authority figure that uses his authority to bully the students or is he the designated villain of the movie?
** Does the gang really care about each other? Sure they formed some kind of bond during detention but exactly how close that bond is is up for debate.
** Could the teenagers be exaggerating how horrible their home lives are? Because they aren't exactly honest, and clearly suffer from depression.
*** Taking a look at Brian's interactions with his mother, it is clear
debate. Some feel that she isn't exactly mother of the year material. So it is safe day was spent finding new ways to assume that his home life isn't as perfect as Bender believes it is.
*** For instance, Brian's not too flattered expression when Bender re-enacts Brian's home life.
take advantage of each other.
** A case could be made for Brian's parents being {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s who were totally in the dark about his suicidal tendencies.
** For Gen-Xer's,
tendencies. But from the interpretation of each character has changed significantly as brief time we have aged. As teens we related to each of the students, saw the adults as useless or jerkasses, and saw it as a happy ending. As middle-aged adults with teenage children we sympathize much see his mother, she at least is clearly very hard.
** Older viewers are
more likely to sympathise with Vernon and Carl. We see Carl, viewing the kids teens as being overly angsty and likely significantly exaggerating their concerns, and know that in all reality the kids all went back to their respective cliques and probably never spoke of their bonding day again.unlikeable.



* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdqoNKCCt7A theme]] performed by Simple Minds.

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The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdqoNKCCt7A theme]] performed by Simple Minds.



* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The dance montage late in the film. Nothing sets it up, it doesn't advance the plot and is never mentioned again.
** One could see it as the moment where most of the group finally loosened up and became capable of opening up to/with each other.

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The dance montage late in the film. Nothing sets it up, it doesn't advance the plot and is never mentioned again.
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again. One could see it as the moment where most of the group finally loosened up and became capable of opening up to/with each other.



* BrokenBase: The makeover that Alison got from Claire, while it is a known complaint of the movie in which some even accuse it of being a [[LonersAreFreaks rather anti-individual]] FamilyUnfriendlyAesop there are also those who will defend it (see UnnecessaryMakeover and MisaimedFandom below).

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The makeover that Alison got from Claire, while it is a known complaint of the movie in which some even accuse it of being a [[LonersAreFreaks rather anti-individual]] FamilyUnfriendlyAesop there are also those who will defend it (see UnnecessaryMakeover and MisaimedFandom below).



* DesignatedVillain: Vernon. Much like [[Film/FerrisBuellersDayOff Dean Rooney]], you're supposed to see him as the bad guy for being antagonistic towards Bender, despite the fact that he left the detention room without permission, brought drugs to school and got everyone to smoke, had a knife on him and threatened to stab someone with it, and caused thousands of dollars in damages for collapsing the vent. While [[KickTheDog threatening Bender was a dick move on his part]], he never actually carried out that threat.
** That and, abuse of authority aside, some folks felt that Vernon threatening Bender was the closest thing Bender got in a comeuppance due to how much of a jerk he was throughout the rest of the film.
* EarWorm: ''Don't you... Forget about me...''

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* DesignatedVillain: Vernon. Much like [[Film/FerrisBuellersDayOff Dean Rooney]], you're supposed to see him as the bad guy for being antagonistic towards Bender, despite the fact that he left the detention room without permission, brought drugs to school and got everyone to smoke, had a knife on him and threatened to stab someone with it, and caused thousands of dollars in damages for collapsing the vent. While [[KickTheDog threatening Bender was a dick move on his part]], he never actually carried out that threat.
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threat. That and, abuse of authority aside, some folks felt that Vernon threatening Bender was the closest thing Bender got in a comeuppance due to how much of a jerk he was throughout the rest of the film.
* EarWorm: EarWorm:
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''Don't you... Forget about me...''



* FanFicFuel: The rather open-ended ending on how it wasn't answered whether if the 5 actually stayed friends or not by Monday in which of course does rely on your stance in the [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism idealism vs cynicism]] debate. While there are viewers who went for the flat out Idealistic belief that all 5 of them stayed friends and the [[OfficialCouple Official Couples]] (Bender X Claire and Andy X Allison) did truly last while others believed that they all went their separate ways by Monday. However, there are plenty who TookAThirdOption and go with a bit of both. Either on how they all still stay to be friends but the [[OfficialCouple Official Couples]] didn't last. Or some of them still stay friends while some of them don't (usually it's either Claire and/or Andy that ditches them to stay with their cliques and it's Bender, Allison and Brian that are still friends. However, those who do this option are normally those who ship Bender with Allison). Or maybe those who had already admitted to or exhibited their own coldness drop most of the others (Bender and Claire), while those who said they wouldn't don't (Andy, Brian, and Allison).
** Also the suggestion/WordOfGod tidbit that there were several planned sequels, five years apart, revisiting the characters.
* GreyAndGrayMorality: No one in the film is a real saint. They ''are'' all in detention, after all.

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* FanFicFuel: The rather open-ended ending on how it wasn't answered whether if the 5 actually stayed friends or not by Monday in which of course does rely on your stance in the [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism idealism vs cynicism]] debate. While there are viewers who went for the flat out Idealistic belief that all 5 of them stayed friends and the [[OfficialCouple Official Couples]] (Bender X Claire and Andy X Allison) did truly last while others believed that they all went their separate ways by Monday. However, there are plenty who TookAThirdOption and go with a bit of both. Either on how they all still stay to be friends but the [[OfficialCouple Official Couples]] didn't last. Or some of them still stay friends while some of them don't (usually it's either Claire and/or Andy that ditches them to stay with their cliques and it's Bender, Allison and Brian that are still friends. However, those who do this option are normally those who ship Bender with Allison). Or maybe those who had already admitted to or exhibited their own coldness drop most of the others (Bender and Claire), while those who said they wouldn't don't (Andy, Brian, and Allison).
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Allison). Also the suggestion/WordOfGod tidbit that there were several planned sequels, five years apart, revisiting the characters.
* GreyAndGrayMorality: No one in the film is a real saint. They ''are'' all in detention, after all.
characters.



* RonTheDeathEater: Some tend to look at the teenagers a little too cynically, viewing them all as dysfunctional monsters. This is forgetting the fact that they are teenagers - and it is universally agreed that life pretty much tends to suck at that age and they have plenty of time to mature and grow as people.



* ValuesDissonance: Both Bender and Andy use the word "fag/faggot" without being punished or reprimanded for it. Today, the word is seen as an insult almost on par with the N-word, but in TheEighties, the term would essentially be seen as just another swear, and doesn't imply that either of them were gay-bashers.

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Both Bender and Andy use the word "fag/faggot" without being punished or reprimanded for it. Today, the word is seen as an insult almost on par with the N-word, but in TheEighties, the term would essentially be seen as just another swear, and doesn't imply that either of them were gay-bashers.



** Brian's punishment of a Saturday detention for bringing a (flare) gun to school is shockingly laughable these days.
*** Conversely, for someone who went to a school which never had them, the idea of spending an entire Saturday -- indeed, ''any'' length of time on a non-school day -- can seem like cruel and unusual punishment (obviously not for bringing a gun to school, though).

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** Brian's punishment of a Saturday detention for bringing a (flare) gun to school is shockingly laughable these days.
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days. Conversely, for someone who went to a school which never had them, the idea of spending an entire Saturday -- indeed, ''any'' length of time on a non-school day -- can seem like cruel and unusual punishment (obviously not for bringing a gun to school, though).



** If Vernon threatened to beat up Bender today, his ass would get sued off.
*** Not necessarily. There were no witnesses, and Vernon was right in pointing out that no-one would take Bender's word over his. Add to that the fact that Bender's parents would also be likely to take Vernon's side. However, it is also likely that one of the kids could have had a smart phone and could have recorded Vernon's actions.



* {{Wangst}}: In-Universe, Claire is very frequently accused of this but while all of the students have accused Claire of being Wangsty, Andy and Bender are the most prominent accusers.

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In-Universe, Claire is very frequently accused of this but while all of the students have accused Claire of being Wangsty, Andy and Bender are the most prominent accusers.
20th Oct '16 5:42:37 PM Mr.French
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* BrokenAesop: The message of looking at people beyond their social clique is mired slightly by the fact that the nerd ends the film as the only single person in the group and is forced to write their assignment all by himself, more or less showing that he is still only thought of and valued by the others as a nerd.
16th Oct '16 9:49:10 PM shinykittie
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** It was also recently revealed that one of the WhatCouldHaveBeen ideas for the film to make it raunchier was that Karen Leigh Hopkins was going to play the role of a female teacher who was a FanserviceExtra who would be seen nude in the girls' locker room. However, some of the ladies who worked on the film, namely Molly Ringwald and Ally Sheedy, were against the idea, calling it "sexist and misogynistic" and demanded the scene be removed. When word of this got out there were plenty of people who agreed with Molly and Ally and that it would be incredibly sexist and distasteful to add in a scene just so a woman can be a nude FanserviceExtra. However, that being said there were also folks who were against this and find the reasons to be rather hypocritical. Specifically, the idea of a brief nude FanserviceExtra scene is too horribly sexist to allow yet they put in Allison's makeover scene, which is highly regarded to be a UnnecessaryMakeover is perfectly okay? That and some point out how it's rather ironic to fire a woman from a potential job due to "feminist reasons". Though some take a more moderate approach that regardless of what you feel about fanservice it was a pointless scene that would've done nothing for the plot and didn't fit with the movie's tone anyway.
1st Oct '16 1:49:55 PM AnonymousBosch
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* HypeBacklash: Somewhat inevitable, considering the film's damn-near universal acclaim.


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* {{Narm}}: The parents we see in the opening are such over-the-top {{Hate Sink}}s that it comes off as pandering to younger audiences at best or, at worst, laughable.


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* SacredCow: Go ahead. Say something negative about ''The Breakfast Club''. It will not end well.


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* ToughActToFollow: It's widely accepted that ''The Breakfast Club'' set such a high standard for teen films that none of the Creator/BratPack actors involved went on to do anything of the same caliber. Creator/MollyRingwald, in particular, is solely remembered as Claire as ''Film/SixteenCandles'' and ''Film/PrettyInPink'' have become DeaderThanDisco.
24th Sep '16 10:40:54 AM PrincessGwen
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** All the time that they've spend on detention was finding new ways to take advantage of one another.

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** All the time that they've spend on spent in detention was finding new ways to take advantage of one another.



*** Taking a look at Brian's interactions with his mother it is clear that she isn't exactly mother of the year material. So it is safe to assume that his home life isn't as perfect as Bender believes it is.
*** For instance Brian's not too flattered expression when Bender re-enacts Brian's home life.

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*** Taking a look at Brian's interactions with his mother mother, it is clear that she isn't exactly mother of the year material. So it is safe to assume that his home life isn't as perfect as Bender believes it is.
*** For instance instance, Brian's not too flattered expression when Bender re-enacts Brian's home life.



** The pairings at the end with Bender & Claire and Andrew & Alison. While there are plenty of viewers who find them to be classic examples of cinematic romance, there are also plenty of those who find one or both of them to be blatant cases of DesignatedLoveInterest that would never last. Those who go for the latter often either prefer [[FanPreferredCouple alternate pairings]] or believe they all were just too abusive to each other for any romance to reasonably last. Or on a slightly more positive note some may find the debates silly by stating that High-School romances normally don't last at all anyways.

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** The pairings at the end with Bender & Claire and Andrew & Alison. While there are plenty of viewers who find them to be classic examples of cinematic romance, there are also plenty of those who find one or both of them to be blatant cases of DesignatedLoveInterest that would never last. Those who go for the latter often either prefer [[FanPreferredCouple alternate pairings]] or believe they all were just too abusive to each other for any romance to reasonably last. Or on a slightly more positive note note, some may find the debates silly by stating that High-School romances normally don't last at all anyways.



** Related to the complaint about the pair-ups for the film consisting of Bender & Claire and Andrew & Alison, a number of fans are upset that this meant Brian was left alone at the end of the film. Many fans defend the decision, debating that Brian didn't "Need" a relationship the same way some of the other members of the group got or that because of how he was raised his emotional maturity still needed work (John Hughes himself said Brian wasn't socially mature enough to be in a relationship). Other fans are still angry, pointing out that Brian's maturity level was no less than the other members of the group, such as Alison or Bender, and the other reasons come off more like excuses. The fact that Brian is a nerd, and thus the uncool one of the group, is left alone to write a paper while the other four kids all go make-out clashes with the theme of the movie to some.

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** Related to the complaint about the pair-ups for the film consisting of Bender & Claire and Andrew & Alison, a number of fans are upset that this meant Brian was left alone at the end of the film. Many fans defend the decision, debating that Brian didn't "Need" "need" a relationship the same way some of the other members of the group got or that because of how he was raised his emotional maturity still needed work (John Hughes himself said Brian wasn't socially mature enough to be in a relationship). Other fans are still angry, pointing out that Brian's maturity level was no less than the other members of the group, such as Alison or Bender, and the other reasons come off more like excuses. The fact that Brian is a nerd, and thus the uncool one of the group, is left alone to write a paper while the other four kids all go make-out clashes with the theme of the movie to some.
19th Sep '16 9:24:13 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* GreyAndGrayMorality: Bender vs. Vernon to a certain extent. Bender and Vernon are both colossal dicks. The former comes from an abusive household, and the latter is trying to maintain discipline.
** [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy Well, to be honest, no one in the film is a real saint.]]

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* GreyAndGrayMorality: Bender vs. Vernon to a certain extent. Bender and Vernon are both colossal dicks. The former comes from an abusive household, and the latter is trying to maintain discipline.
** [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy Well, to be honest, no
No one in the film is a real saint.]]saint. They ''are'' all in detention, after all.
9th Aug '16 5:07:37 PM AnonymousBosch
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9th Aug '16 5:00:51 PM AnonymousBosch
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: A complaint some viewers have about the film is that, in spite of its moments of levity, the film is too bleak and cynical to get emotionally invested in. In addition, there are virtually zero characters that aren't damaged or have some sort of agenda, and a popular interpretation of the ending is that the kids didn't really learn anything, and will most likely become just as bad as their parents, if not worse. "Life sucks and then you die" sums it up well.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: ''The Breakfast Club'' is to ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' what ''Film/SixteenCandles'' is to ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''. A common complaint some viewers have about the film is that, in spite of its moments of levity, the film is too bleak and cynical to get emotionally invested in. In addition, there are virtually zero characters that aren't damaged or have some sort of agenda, and a popular interpretation of the ending is that the kids didn't really learn anything, and will most likely become just as bad as their parents, if not worse. "Life sucks The original cut of the film is possibly even darker, with Carl making soul-crushingly pessimistic predictions about the futures of the kids, further exploration of their damaged psyches and then you die" sums it up well.home lives, and a more downbeat tone.


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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Abused and neglected kids need to buck up and deal with it, because life just sucks all around.
9th Aug '16 8:29:22 AM siberia82
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* HilariousInHindsight: As a CastingGag in ''Film/XMenApocalypse'', Ally Sheedy plays a high school teacher in 1983 who sends Scott Summers (a.k.a. Cyclops) to the principal's office.
1st Aug '16 11:40:41 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Bender. You either love him for being a sympathetic, flawed jerk, or think he's an insufferable prick [[DesignatedLoveInterest who got with Claire]], [[KarmaHoudini despite previously sexually harassing her]].

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Bender. You either love him for being a sympathetic, flawed jerk, or think he's an insufferable prick [[DesignatedLoveInterest who got with Claire]], [[KarmaHoudini despite previously sexually harassing her]].
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