History YMMV / TheBoys

22nd Mar '18 9:33:29 AM t209
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Thanks to AuthorTract by Creator/GarthEnnis on superheroes, Starlight and Superduper never got the spotlight that might have acted as a counterpoint to his notions, [[spoiler: especially Billy's [[WellIntentionedExtremist belief on eliminating Compound V that would prevent people like BlackNoir and the Homelander]]]].
14th Mar '18 1:57:16 PM MBG159
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** The other problem is that most of his takes on superheroes are more or less they are frauds and fakes, celebrity shills, and don't actually deal with threats. This doesn't quite work as a satire or {{Deconstruction}} since it doesn't accept the possibility, as even Moore did, that some of these superheroes do have good intentions and do want to do help and there are genuine problems in society that complicates their basic altruism. Ennis' arguments is mainly that these superheroes are evil, fakes, or pathetic without any variation for 60+ issues.

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** The other problem is that most of his takes on superheroes are more or less they are frauds and fakes, celebrity shills, and don't actually deal with threats. This doesn't quite work as a satire or {{Deconstruction}} since it doesn't accept the possibility, as even Moore did, that some of these superheroes do have good intentions and do want to do help and even can help in ways regular people can't, and there are genuine problems in society that complicates their basic altruism. Ennis' arguments is mainly that these superheroes are evil, fakes, or pathetic without any variation for 60+ issues.
5th Jan '18 3:26:52 AM CaptainTedium
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* BrokenBase: Between those who like the series for deconstructing the usual tropes of superhero media and those who detest it for being another attack on superheroes from Creator/GarthEnnis and containing the squicky degrees of violence and vulgarity his work is known for.
15th Dec '17 4:31:01 PM Kalaong
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** Another one overlaps with Tearjerker, but if every HetereosexualLifePartners met AxCrazy...

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** Another one overlaps with Tearjerker, but if every HetereosexualLifePartners HeterosexualLifePartners met AxCrazy...
11th Dec '17 1:00:00 PM Anddrix
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* LoveItOrHateIt: You either enjoy the book for taking apart many myths of superhero genre and corporate policies behind them or you think it's an AuthorTract from guy who hates superheroes and is trying too hard to be edgy.
24th Nov '17 1:51:45 AM JulianLapostat
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** It doesn't help that ''The Boys'' are more or less superheroes themselves with Billy Butcher being a British Punisher, and where Marshal Law didn't spare the title character from criticism, Ennis being a Punisher fanboy and fond of the VigilanteHero archetype in general, doesn't actually go as far as Mills and O'Neill did, or for that matter Alan Moore did in ''Watchmen'', which was attack the idea of [[TheHero a hero]], [[HoldingOutForAHero and people's need for one]], [[HeroicWannabe or the desire to be one]].

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** It doesn't help that ''The Boys'' are more or less superheroes themselves with Billy Butcher being a British Punisher, and where Marshal Law didn't spare the title character from criticism, Ennis being a Punisher fanboy and fond of the VigilanteHero VigilanteMan archetype in general, doesn't actually go as far as Mills and O'Neill did, or for that matter Alan Moore did in ''Watchmen'', which was attack the idea of [[TheHero a hero]], [[HoldingOutForAHero and people's need for one]], [[HeroicWannabe or the desire to be one]].
9th Nov '17 5:47:59 PM EmperorNorton
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* GeniusBonus: In the last issue, a background character is reading a book by the disgraced superhero Shout-Out, which was co-written by Jayson Blair. The real Blair resigned from the New York ''Times'' in 2003 after his stories turned out to be largely fabricated and/or plagiarized. His name on Shout-Out's autobiography is thus a subtle indicator to the reader that the autobiography is at least 99% bullshit.



* GeniusBonus: In the last issue, a background character is reading a book by the disgraced superhero Shout-Out, which was co-written by Jayson Blair. The real Blair resigned from the New York ''Times'' in 2003 after his stories turned out to be largely fabricated and/or plagiarized. His name on Shout-Out's autobiography is thus a subtle indicator to the reader that the autobiography is at least 99% bullshit.
9th Nov '17 5:47:39 PM EmperorNorton
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* GeniusBonus: In the last issue, a background character is reading a book by the disgraced superhero Shout-Out, which was co-written by Jayson Blair. The real Blair resigned from the New York ''Times'' in 2003 after his stories turned out to be largely fabricated and/or plagiarized. His name on Shout-Out's autobiography is thus a subtle indicator to the reader that the autobiography is at least 99% bullshit.
22nd Sep '17 8:39:56 AM najhoant
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* RewatchBonus: Some scenes with the Homelander really come across in a different light with the knowledge that [[spoiler:he is being manipulated by Black Noir, who is actually impersonating him sometimes]]. For one thing, if you look at [[spoiler:the scene where Homelander drops a family and their car from the sky and then addresses the collective supers]], you might notice that [[spoiler:Black Noir isn't with the other present Seven members or anywhere else in the crowd]].
14th Jul '17 6:52:28 PM JulianLapostat
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* ShallowParody: While some of the satire of corporate sponsorship and their control and manipulation of superhero identities for ugly and nefarious processes is valid, a lot of it does fall flat in the takedown on specific targets. Soldier Boy is a CaptainPatriotic a la Steve Rogers, presented by Garth Ennis as a mockery and insult to TheRealHeroes of World War II. The problem is that Captain America was a PropagandaHero created by Joe Simon and Creator/JackKirby ''before'' America entered World War II and was in the context a bold anti-fascist gesture. Likewise, Kirby who drew Captain America and later revived him as a soldier out of time in ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'', served as a soldier in the US Infantry during the war, as a draftsman for reconaissance maps, and the comics which Ennis mocks were popular with actual American servicemen of the time. So in other words, Ennis, a WorldWarII-buff, is merely projecting his own ideas and values on to that of an earlier generation without actually engaging with it.

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* ShallowParody: While some of the satire of corporate sponsorship and their control and manipulation of superhero identities for ugly and nefarious processes is valid, a lot of it does fall flat in the takedown on specific targets.
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Soldier Boy is a CaptainPatriotic a la Steve Rogers, presented by Garth Ennis as a mockery and insult to TheRealHeroes of World War II. The problem is that Captain America was a PropagandaHero created by Joe Simon and Creator/JackKirby ''before'' America entered World War II and was in the context a bold anti-fascist gesture. Likewise, Kirby who drew Captain America and later revived him as a soldier out of time in ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'', served as a soldier in the US Infantry during the war, as a draftsman for reconaissance maps, and the comics which Ennis mocks were popular with actual American servicemen of the time. time (specifically Captain Marvel whose {{Expy}} he makes into a Nazi hero called Stormfront, was extremely popular among American GI). So in other words, Ennis, a WorldWarII-buff, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII-buff, is merely projecting his own ideas and values on to that of an earlier generation without actually engaging with it.it.
** It doesn't help that ''The Boys'' are more or less superheroes themselves with Billy Butcher being a British Punisher, and where Marshal Law didn't spare the title character from criticism, Ennis being a Punisher fanboy and fond of the VigilanteHero archetype in general, doesn't actually go as far as Mills and O'Neill did, or for that matter Alan Moore did in ''Watchmen'', which was attack the idea of [[TheHero a hero]], [[HoldingOutForAHero and people's need for one]], [[HeroicWannabe or the desire to be one]].
** The other problem is that most of his takes on superheroes are more or less they are frauds and fakes, celebrity shills, and don't actually deal with threats. This doesn't quite work as a satire or {{Deconstruction}} since it doesn't accept the possibility, as even Moore did, that some of these superheroes do have good intentions and do want to do help and there are genuine problems in society that complicates their basic altruism. Ennis' arguments is mainly that these superheroes are evil, fakes, or pathetic without any variation for 60+ issues.
** The attack on X-Men is more or less [[spoiler:Professor X[=/=]Godolkin being a pedophile and the rest of the X-Men being his victims and/or brainwashed cultists]] without any engagement with legitimate avenues to criticize the X-Men, namely the debate on the "Mutant Metaphor" and [[AngryWhiteMan how the X-Men]] actually work as a representation of minority rights advocacy. Likewise, the parody also involves JiveTurkey riffs on West Coast-East Coast hip-hop rivalries which makes the whole thing come of as tin-eared and not something that either X-Men fans or critics can really recognize.
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