History YMMV / TheBoys

14th Jul '17 6:52:28 PM JulianLapostat
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* ShallowParody: While some of the satire of corporate sponsorship and their control and manipulation of superhero identities for ugly and nefarious processes is valid, a lot of it does fall flat in the takedown on specific targets. Soldier Boy is a CaptainPatriotic a la Steve Rogers, presented by Garth Ennis as a mockery and insult to TheRealHeroes of World War II. The problem is that Captain America was a PropagandaHero created by Joe Simon and Creator/JackKirby ''before'' America entered World War II and was in the context a bold anti-fascist gesture. Likewise, Kirby who drew Captain America and later revived him as a soldier out of time in ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'', served as a soldier in the US Infantry during the war, as a draftsman for reconaissance maps, and the comics which Ennis mocks were popular with actual American servicemen of the time. So in other words, Ennis, a WorldWarII-buff, is merely projecting his own ideas and values on to that of an earlier generation without actually engaging with it.

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* ShallowParody: While some of the satire of corporate sponsorship and their control and manipulation of superhero identities for ugly and nefarious processes is valid, a lot of it does fall flat in the takedown on specific targets.
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Soldier Boy is a CaptainPatriotic a la Steve Rogers, presented by Garth Ennis as a mockery and insult to TheRealHeroes of World War II. The problem is that Captain America was a PropagandaHero created by Joe Simon and Creator/JackKirby ''before'' America entered World War II and was in the context a bold anti-fascist gesture. Likewise, Kirby who drew Captain America and later revived him as a soldier out of time in ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'', served as a soldier in the US Infantry during the war, as a draftsman for reconaissance maps, and the comics which Ennis mocks were popular with actual American servicemen of the time. time (specifically Captain Marvel whose {{Expy}} he makes into a Nazi hero called Stormfront, was extremely popular among American GI). So in other words, Ennis, a WorldWarII-buff, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII-buff, is merely projecting his own ideas and values on to that of an earlier generation without actually engaging with it.it.
** It doesn't help that ''The Boys'' are more or less superheroes themselves with Billy Butcher being a British Punisher, and where Marshal Law didn't spare the title character from criticism, Ennis being a Punisher fanboy and fond of the VigilanteHero archetype in general, doesn't actually go as far as Mills and O'Neill did, or for that matter Alan Moore did in ''Watchmen'', which was attack the idea of [[TheHero a hero]], [[HoldingOutForAHero and people's need for one]], [[HeroicWannabe or the desire to be one]].
** The other problem is that most of his takes on superheroes are more or less they are frauds and fakes, celebrity shills, and don't actually deal with threats. This doesn't quite work as a satire or {{Deconstruction}} since it doesn't accept the possibility, as even Moore did, that some of these superheroes do have good intentions and do want to do help and there are genuine problems in society that complicates their basic altruism. Ennis' arguments is mainly that these superheroes are evil, fakes, or pathetic without any variation for 60+ issues.
** The attack on X-Men is more or less [[spoiler:Professor X[=/=]Godolkin being a pedophile and the rest of the X-Men being his victims and/or brainwashed cultists]] without any engagement with legitimate avenues to criticize the X-Men, namely the debate on the "Mutant Metaphor" and [[AngryWhiteMan how the X-Men]] actually work as a representation of minority rights advocacy. Likewise, the parody also involves JiveTurkey riffs on West Coast-East Coast hip-hop rivalries which makes the whole thing come of as tin-eared and not something that either X-Men fans or critics can really recognize.
11th May '17 11:25:25 AM JulianLapostat
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* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''Marshal Law'' and Alan Moore's superhero satires in ''Miracleman'' and ''Watchmen''.

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* ShallowParody: While some of the satire of corporate sponsorship and their control and manipulation of superhero identities for ugly and nefarious processes is valid, a lot of it does fall flat in the takedown on specific targets. Soldier Boy is a CaptainPatriotic a la Steve Rogers, presented by Garth Ennis as a mockery and insult to TheRealHeroes of World War II. The problem is that Captain America was a PropagandaHero created by Joe Simon and Creator/JackKirby ''before'' America entered World War II and was in the context a bold anti-fascist gesture. Likewise, Kirby who drew Captain America and later revived him as a soldier out of time in ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'', served as a soldier in the US Infantry during the war, as a draftsman for reconaissance maps, and the comics which Ennis mocks were popular with actual American servicemen of the time. So in other words, Ennis, a WorldWarII-buff, is merely projecting his own ideas and values on to that of an earlier generation without actually engaging with it.
* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''Marshal Law'' ''ComicBook/MarshalLaw'' and Alan Moore's superhero satires in ''Miracleman'' ''ComicBook/{{Miracleman}}'' and ''Watchmen''.''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}''.
4th Feb '17 9:27:51 PM TomTheEducator
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: Even and especially though they're a pair of unhinged, AxCrazy nutters, pretty much all the interactions between The Frenchman and The Female are this. He never treats her as anything less than a human being, and ''never'' gives up on the hope that one day she can move past her homicidal yearnings. For her part, he is the only one that can touch her without losing body parts, and it's clear she cares deeply for him. One standout is where Frenchie tries to convince The Female to leave the team with him, offering ''himself'' as an outlet for the uncontrollable need to maim and kill she is afflicted with. Despite knowing in detail ''exactly'' what kind of nauseating, unbelievable damage she can inflict. The Female - who we have seen repatedly rip faces off, eviscerate ''explosively'', and woke from a coma by ''breaking Hughie's arm'' - immediately and absolutely refuses, almost looking about to cry. Then she gives Frenchie some of her ice-cream.
** Another one overlaps with Tearjerker, but if every HetereosexualLifePartners met AxCrazy...
--> "[[BilingualBonus Je suis votre ami.]] If I cannot be your friend I would as soon be dead. If it must be by your hand, so be it."
13th Dec '16 10:39:41 PM SarcasmKid
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* JerkassWoobie: Queen Maeve can be a genuinely unpleasant person who doesn't seem to care about anything that doesn't involve alcohol, but it turns out she was more or less traumatized by what happened on 9/11 and before then is implied to have genuinely wanted to be heroic. She became a BrokenBird in order to cope with her guilt, and has also been raped thanks to Homelander tricking her into having sex with Black Noir.



* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: So [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks an American]], [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships a Brit]], [[UsefulNotes/GaulsWithGrenades a Frenchman]] and a [[UsefulNotes/RedsWithRockets nostalgic Russian]] [[CurbStompBattle beat the shit out of a]] [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi]]? Nah, I'm sure [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo there's no deeper meaning to it...]] This was actually [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] in the scene itself. [[spoiler:The Boys quite cheerfully inform Stormfront that, while yes, they are representing the Allies, they are going to let the beat down be done by a representative of the folks who did it to the Germans in 1945: Cue Love Sausage!]]

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: So [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks an American]], [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships a Brit]], [[UsefulNotes/GaulsWithGrenades a Frenchman]] and a [[UsefulNotes/RedsWithRockets nostalgic Russian]] [[CurbStompBattle beat the shit out of a]] [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi]]? Nah, I'm sure [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo there's no deeper meaning to it...]] This was actually [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] in the scene itself. [[spoiler:The Boys quite cheerfully inform Stormfront that, while yes, they are representing the Allies, they are going to let the beat down be done by a representative of the folks who did it to the Germans in 1945: Cue Love Sausage!]]Sausage!]]
* TheWoobie: All of Superduper. Every other superhero group is made up of assholes, rapists, and murderers, but Superduper is more or less a halfway home for disabled kids. The kicker is that all of them honestly do want to be superheroes and use their powers, limited though they are, to try and help people. [[spoiler: And then they get stuck with Malchemical for a leader, who almost rapes Auntie Sis, Stool-Shadow, and Ladyfold before he's killed by Butcher. And then Butcher almost kills them when Klanker, who has Tourette's, screams "Fuckingcunt" at the worst possible moment. It takes Hughie begging Butcher not to in order for him to back off before he hurts one of them. The worst part is, most of them don't understand what's going on except for Auntie Sis. And most everybody either thinks they're a joke (like Malchemical) or will inevitably become just as fucked up as the Seven (like Butcher, who doesn't even really care that Malchemical was going to rape and torture them).]]
10th Oct '16 10:23:21 PM eaterofworlds
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: After reading several of the other tropes, is it really that hard to believe?
2nd Sep '16 1:09:54 AM CaptainTedium
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* {{Anvilicious}}

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* {{Anvilicious}}{{Anvilicious}}: The comic is quite unbearably preachy about its message that superheroes suck. Of course, this ''is'' Creator/GarthEnnis we're talking about.



* {{Squick}}

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* {{Squick}}{{Squick}}: Assloads of it. For starters, we have a lot of gruesome violence and one of the characters is a grown man who needs his mother's breast milk to survive.
28th Aug '16 3:38:57 AM Morgenthaler
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: So [[YanksWithTanks an American]], [[BritsWithBattleships a Brit]], [[GaulsWithGrenades a Frenchman]] and a [[RedsWithRockets nostalgic Russian]] [[CurbStompBattle beat the shit out of a]] [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi]]? Nah, I'm sure [[WorldWarTwo there's no deeper meaning to it...]] This was actually [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] in the scene itself. [[spoiler:The Boys quite cheerfully inform Stormfront that, while yes, they are representing the Allies, they are going to let the beat down be done by a representative of the folks who did it to the Germans in 1945: Cue Love Sausage!]]

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: So [[YanksWithTanks [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks an American]], [[BritsWithBattleships [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships a Brit]], [[GaulsWithGrenades [[UsefulNotes/GaulsWithGrenades a Frenchman]] and a [[RedsWithRockets [[UsefulNotes/RedsWithRockets nostalgic Russian]] [[CurbStompBattle beat the shit out of a]] [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi]]? Nah, I'm sure [[WorldWarTwo [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo there's no deeper meaning to it...]] This was actually [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] in the scene itself. [[spoiler:The Boys quite cheerfully inform Stormfront that, while yes, they are representing the Allies, they are going to let the beat down be done by a representative of the folks who did it to the Germans in 1945: Cue Love Sausage!]]
14th Jun '16 11:54:15 PM crazyrabbits
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* FridgeHorror: When Tek-Knight sent [[KidSidekick Laddio]] away to visit all the other super teams in a effort to keep himself from [[AnythingThatMoves involuntarily raping]] the boy, he explicitly said to even visit the [[HarmfulToMinors G-Men and all their spin-off teams.]] [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse We never see Laddio again after that.]]
3rd Jun '16 10:51:08 AM Thranx
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** This isn't exactly prescience on Ennis's part; Starfire's sexuality has been seesawing since her introduction, mainly depending on whether DC is marketing her towards younger teens or adult readers.
7th Jan '16 2:04:16 AM JulianLapostat
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* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''Marshal Law'' and Alan Moore's superhero satires in ''Miracleman'' and ''Watchmen''.
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