History YMMV / TheBeatles

16th Oct '17 6:21:30 AM Q4
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* FanficFuel: Lo, it is written that where two or three fans are gathered together in the name of The Beatles, they shall discuss which songs would have made the cut if ''Music/TheWhiteAlbum'' had been a single disc. Another popular AlternateHistory scenario is to suppose the group had not split up in 1970, and use the members' solo albums to assemble plausible tracklists for subsequent Beatles [=LPs=].
23rd Sep '17 2:03:02 PM Logograph
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*** Opinion on Ringo's abilities as a drummer tends to be divided between musicians and non-musicians. Non-musicians tend to think that he was a terrible drummer; musicians tend to think otherwise. Drummers in particular hold Ringo's drumming in *very* high regard, receiving particular praise for his groovy style, his emphasis on feel over displays of technical proficiency, and his creative, stylistic drum fills (most notably Come Together and A Day in the Life). He also popularised the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matched_grip matched grip] that's ubiquitous today, and numerous high profile drummers like Music/PhilCollins, [[Music/FooFighters Dave Grohl]], and [[Music/GreenDay Tre Cool]] cite him as a big influence.

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*** Opinion on Ringo's abilities as a drummer tends to be divided between musicians and non-musicians. Non-musicians tend to think that he was a terrible drummer; musicians tend to think otherwise. Drummers in particular hold Ringo's drumming in *very* high regard, receiving particular praise for his groovy style, his emphasis on feel over displays of technical proficiency, and his creative, stylistic drum fills (most notably Come Together and A Day in the Life). He also popularised the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matched_grip matched grip] grip]] that's ubiquitous today, and numerous high profile drummers like Music/PhilCollins, [[Music/FooFighters Dave Grohl]], and [[Music/GreenDay Tre Cool]] cite him as a big influence.
23rd Sep '17 2:02:41 PM Logograph
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*** Opinion on Ringo's abilities as a drummer tends to be divided between musicians and non-musicians. Non-musicians tend to think that he was a terrible drummer; musicians tend to think otherwise. The true reason why there's only one drum solo in the whole of Ringo's work with the Beatles is that he hated solos. The others had to persuade him to take one on "The End", because they were all going to take guitar solos and they didn't want it to look like he was being left out. Ringo's opinion, which is shared by most musicians who have an opinion on the topic, is that he more than "showed what he could do" with his steady, selfless and rock-solid support of the band's music, which was based on precision and balance and not flashy musicianship. In an era that saw the rise of the hot drummer, from Keith Moon via Mitch Mitchell and Ginger Baker to Ian Paice and Carl Palmer, Ringo knew well that he wasn't in that kind of band. In any case, he'd already inspired a generation of kids to take up the drums in the first place, so, legacy intact.

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*** Opinion on Ringo's abilities as a drummer tends to be divided between musicians and non-musicians. Non-musicians tend to think that he was a terrible drummer; musicians tend to think otherwise. Drummers in particular hold Ringo's drumming in *very* high regard, receiving particular praise for his groovy style, his emphasis on feel over displays of technical proficiency, and his creative, stylistic drum fills (most notably Come Together and A Day in the Life). He also popularised the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matched_grip matched grip] that's ubiquitous today, and numerous high profile drummers like Music/PhilCollins, [[Music/FooFighters Dave Grohl]], and [[Music/GreenDay Tre Cool]] cite him as a big influence.
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The true reason why there's only one drum solo in the whole of Ringo's work with the Beatles is that he hated solos. The others had to persuade him to take one on "The End", because they were all going to take guitar solos and they didn't want it to look like he was being left out. Ringo's opinion, which is shared by most musicians who have an opinion on the topic, is that he more than "showed what he could do" with his steady, selfless and rock-solid support of the band's music, which was based on precision and balance and not flashy musicianship. In an era that saw the rise of the hot drummer, from Keith Moon via Mitch Mitchell and Ginger Baker to Ian Paice and Carl Palmer, Ringo knew well that he wasn't in that kind of band. In any case, he'd already inspired a generation of kids to take up the drums in the first place, so, legacy intact.
16th Sep '17 9:15:50 AM Ezclee4050
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* {{Woolseyism}}: Some of the Capitol albums might be sequenced better than the corresponding EMI albums; for instance, ''Meet the Beatles'' got onto the Rolling Stone "Greatest Albums of All Time" list, while the version it "butchered", ''Music/WithTheBeatles'', didn't. Many fans, including Music/BrianWilson, think the US version of ''Music/RubberSoul'' is miles better than the UK version. (Capitol cut out most of the more electrified songs in favor of the acoustic pieces.)

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* {{Woolseyism}}: Some of the Capitol albums might be sequenced better than the corresponding EMI albums; for instance, albums.
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''Meet the Beatles'' got onto the Rolling Stone "Greatest Albums of All Time" list, while the version it "butchered", ''Music/WithTheBeatles'', didn't. Capitol wisely added the two sides of their breakthrough US single ("I Want to Hold Your Hand", "I Saw Her Standing There") as the opening tracks, emphasized the two most notable things about them as they started their career (they wrote their own songs, all four members sang lead vocals and had unique personas), and eliminated all but one CoverVersion from ''With the Beatles''. And the one they kept ([[Theatre/TheMusicMan "Till There Was You"]]) was a familiar show tune that demonstrated to adults that these guys had respect for traditional pop music.
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Many fans, including Music/BrianWilson, think the US version of ''Music/RubberSoul'' is miles better than the UK version. (Capitol cut out most of the more electrified songs in favor of the acoustic pieces.)
10th Sep '17 5:05:19 PM Schroeder1174
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** In a sense, the children of each of the four Beatles who pursued professional music careers, in particular the higher-profile ones like Julian and Sean Lennon and Dhani Harrison, have had their works compared to both their famous fathers and the band they worked for, and have had to live up to standards no other newer artist./songwriter should have been expected to live up to had they not been sons of Beatles. This hit Julian Lennon hard, especially as the world was still in shock from John's death by Julian's debut ''Valotte'' in 1984, and his sophomore album was a rush job perpetuated not long after he finished a tour to cash in on ''Valotte'''s success and marred by Julian's music gear being lost in transit where he was writing in the Bahamas.
27th Aug '17 5:08:53 AM Doug86
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** An {{urban legend|s}} sprang up that the Beatles arranged for ''Yesterday... and Today'' to have the infamous "Butcher Cover" as a protest over Capitol mangling their UK albums, as noted in CutAndPasteTranslation on the [[Music/TheBeatles band page]]. Go to [[http://snopes.com/music/hidden/butcher.asp the entry]] at {{Snopes}} for in-depth info.

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** An {{urban legend|s}} sprang up that the Beatles arranged for ''Yesterday... and Today'' to have the infamous "Butcher Cover" as a protest over Capitol mangling their UK albums, as noted in CutAndPasteTranslation on the [[Music/TheBeatles band page]]. Go to [[http://snopes.com/music/hidden/butcher.asp the entry]] at {{Snopes}} Website/{{Snopes}} for in-depth info.
6th Aug '17 4:00:37 PM Premonition45
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** Paul apparently heard that song so much during his 64th year he once said he regretted ever writing it to begin with.

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** *** Paul apparently heard that song so much during his 64th year he once said he regretted ever writing it to begin with.with.
*** Not to mention that neither John nor George would live to be that old.
1st Aug '17 7:48:15 AM Kalmbach
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Next to Heather Mills, Music/YokoOno suddenly doesn't look so bad. In fact, a popular bumper sticker at fan conventions reads "Even Yoko has a Leg Up on Heather Mills."

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Next to Heather Mills, Music/YokoOno suddenly doesn't look so bad. In fact, a popular bumper sticker at fan conventions reads "Even Yoko [[CrossesTheLineTwice has a Leg Up Up]] on Heather Mills."
17th May '17 4:01:49 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* [[AmericansHateTingle Americans Hated The Beatles]]: Some of them did. After John's comment that the band was "[[BiggerThanJesus more popular than Jesus]]" ([[QuoteMine taken out of context]]), many American communities, particularly those in the Bible Belt, did things like mass Beatle record burnings (with Lennon's reaction being to point out they had to buy the records to burn them) and throwing objects at them during their concerts. They received no backlash of that sort in their homeland of Britain, where the comment was generally more acknowledged in context and less of an exaggerated blasphemous scandal. On the other hand, their records sold just as well in America after the controversy as they had before.
** The Phillippines are an even better example. Brian Epstein's fumbling of an invitation to visit First Lady Imelda Marcos when the Beatles played the Phillippines in 1966 led to [[http://991.com/Buy/TopItems/LennonGlasses/Stiffed.aspx violent anger]] from Filipinos. The resulting chaos played no small part in the group's decision to stop playing live concerts.
** As for the record sales booming despite the controversy, the Beatles themselves rather sardonically noted that in order to burn their albums, one had to purchase them first. There are also numerous anecdotes of kids publicly burning their Beatles albums before then secretly sneaking into record stores and replacing them. And, of course, despite all the hoopla this was mainly happening in a relatively small part of the country.
** There were also some American rock and roll fans, particularly in the very early stages of Beatlemania, who resented the group for displacing the more home-grown sounds of rockabilly, doo-wop, surf music, etc. from the pop charts.



** During their psycedelic period, Music/TheBeachBoys. Go find any Pet Sounds song on YouTube and read all of the comments arguing over who is better/was the most influential. It gets ugly real fast.

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** During their psycedelic period, Music/TheBeachBoys. Go find any Pet Sounds ''Music/PetSounds'' song on YouTube and read all of the comments arguing over who is better/was the most influential. It gets ugly real fast.


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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff:
** Americans love "Eight Days A Week."
** "I Should Have Known Better" reached number one in Norway.
** They became popular enough in Jamaica in 1964 that [[{{Ska}} The Skatalites]] recorded instrumental [[CoverVersion Cover Versions]] of "This Boy" and "I Should Have Known Better".
** In Russia the Beatles, as most other Western rock bands, were very popular because they were seen as rebellious against Soviet Communism. A very interesting documentary ''How The Beatles rocked the Kremlin'' was made in the 2000s about their popularity there.


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** Ringo Starr wasn't happy with [[TooDumbToLive his portrayal]] in the cartoon and complained to Lance Percival. Lance kindly explained that he just did the voices and pointed Ringo in the direction of the writers.
25th Apr '17 10:22:17 AM supernintendo128
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** During their psycedelic period, Music/TheBeachBoys. Go find any Pet Sounds song on YouTube and read all of the comments arguing over who is better/was the most influential. It gets ugly real fast.
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