History YMMV / TheBeatles

11th Jun '16 10:33:22 PM CassandraLeo
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** Mono vs. stereo. This is, believe it or not, SeriousBusiness. There is a substantial contingent of fans that applies FanonDiscontinuity to the stereo versions of all albums before Music/TheWhiteAlbum. They have a point, since the Beatles themselves and George Martin both seem to have regarded stereo as [[ItWillNeverCatchOn a gimmick that wouldn't last]] and had little to no involvement with them. They were also made before modern stereo mixing practices became widespread, meaning that you have things like [[GratuitousPanning all vocals on the left and all drums on the right]], both of which are regarded as serious no-nos in modern mixing. The White Album stereo mixes do this to a certain extent too, but not as flagrantly.

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** Mono vs. stereo. This is, believe it or not, SeriousBusiness. There is a substantial contingent of fans that applies FanonDiscontinuity to the stereo versions of all albums before Music/TheWhiteAlbum. They have a point, since the Beatles themselves and George Martin both seem to have regarded stereo as [[ItWillNeverCatchOn a gimmick that wouldn't last]] and had little to no involvement with them. They Even then, they weren't completely involved with the process; ''Music/AbbeyRoad'' was, in fact, the only album for whose stereo mixes they were completely involved, with the result that it's their most modern-sounding stereo mix. The earlier Beatles stereo mixes were also made before modern stereo mixing practices became widespread, meaning that you have things like [[GratuitousPanning all vocals on the left and all drums on the right]], both of which are regarded as serious no-nos in modern mixing. The White Album stereo mixes do this to a certain extent too, but not as flagrantly.
11th Jun '16 10:30:53 PM CassandraLeo
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** Mono vs. stereo. This is, believe it or not, SeriousBusiness. There is a substantial contingent of fans that applies FanonDiscontinuity to the stereo versions of all albums before Music/TheWhiteAlbum. They have a point, since the Beatles themselves and George Martin both seem to have regarded stereo as [[ItWillNeverCatchOn a gimmick that wouldn't last]] and had little to no involvement with them. They were also made before modern stereo mixing practices became widespread, meaning that you have things like [[GratuitousPanning all vocals on the left and all drums on the right]], both of which are regarded as serious no-nos in modern mixing. The White Album stereo mixes do this to a certain extent too, but not as flagrantly.
15th May '16 10:22:22 PM DavidDelony
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** "Number nine...Number nine...Number nine..."
30th Apr '16 9:14:37 AM Berrenta
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* HarsherInHindsight: "We Can Work It Out" (available on ''Music/PastMasters''). Despite the optimism of the title, ultimately none of Beatles could see the problems of their comrades their way and thus could not work it out.

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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"We Can Work It Out" (available on ''Music/PastMasters''). Despite the optimism of the title, ultimately none of Beatles could see the problems of their comrades their way and thus could not work it out.



* ItGetsBetter: Oh. Dear. God.
** "I've got to admit it's getting better... A little better all the time."
** Well, "It can't get no worse."
25th Apr '16 4:04:17 PM CassandraLeo
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Who can listen to "Nowhere Man" and not think of Jeremy Hillary Boob, Phd.? Only someone who's never seen ''WesternAnimation/YellowSubmarine''.

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* AdaptationDisplacement: Who can listen to "Nowhere Man" and not think of Jeremy Hillary Boob, Phd.[=PhD=].? Only someone who's never seen ''WesternAnimation/YellowSubmarine''.



** ''LOVE'' gets this a lot, actually. There are people who refuse to listen to the ''Music/AbbeyRoad'' version of "Octopus' Garden" who [[StealthPun care deeply for]] the ''LOVE'' version.

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** ''LOVE'' gets this a lot, actually. There are people who refuse to listen to the ''Music/AbbeyRoad'' version of "Octopus' Garden" who [[StealthPun care deeply for]] the ''LOVE'' version. The acoustic version of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" is also sometimes felt to be superior to Music/TheWhiteAlbum version.



* BrokenBase: Experimental Rock aficionados dismiss their entire "Fab Four" era. Conversely, some fans of the earlier stuff dismiss their post-''Rubber Soul'' output. And modern Beatles fans disagree over the merits of any work that was created after the band officially broke up -- not just all the post-Beatles solo projects, but ''any'' music ''ever'' recorded by ''anyone at all'' after 1970. There are fans of nearly every genre of music out there who like The Beatles; thus, merely knowing someone likes them gives one ''no clue'' as to their taste in general.

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* BrokenBase: Experimental Rock aficionados dismiss their entire "Fab Four" era. Conversely, some fans of the earlier stuff dismiss their post-''Rubber Soul'' post-''Music/RubberSoul'' output. And modern Beatles fans disagree over the merits of any work that was created after the band officially broke up -- not just all the post-Beatles solo projects, but ''any'' music ''ever'' recorded by ''anyone at all'' after 1970. There are fans of nearly every genre of music out there who like The Beatles; thus, merely knowing someone likes them gives one ''no clue'' as to their taste in general.



** Every song has both its fans and its haters, especially Revolution 9.

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** Every song has both its fans and its haters, especially Revolution 9."Revolution 9".



** "With a Little Help from My Friends" is kind of fifty-fifty. It's certainly not an obscure Beatles tune; it's one of the more prominent songs from probably their most famous album. But a lot of younger people probably only know Joe Cocker's version as the opening theme to ''Series/TheWonderYears''. Also, Marmalade's cover of "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da," at least in some circles, as is Music/{{Aerosmith}}'s rendition of "Come Together."

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** "With a Little Help from My Friends" is kind of fifty-fifty. It's certainly not an obscure Beatles tune; it's one of the more prominent songs from probably their most famous album. But a lot of younger people probably only know Joe Cocker's Music/JoeCocker's version as the opening theme to ''Series/TheWonderYears''. Also, Marmalade's cover of "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da," at least in some circles, as is Music/{{Aerosmith}}'s rendition of "Come Together."



** For the technically-minded Beatles fans and music recording geeks, there is the handy, epic tome ''Recording The Beatles" by Brian Kehew and Kevin Ryan, a thoroughly exhaustive 540-page book chronicling the techniques, recording equipment, and studio-owned musical instruments used by the Beatles during the making of their music. The hardcover deluxe-edition book, available via Curvebender publishing, will set you back a good $100.00.
* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: It doesn't matter how horrible [[MisogynySong the sentiments]] expressed in "Run For Your Life" are, John Lennon just makes them sound ''so damn cool''.

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** For the technically-minded Beatles fans and music recording geeks, there is the handy, epic tome ''Recording The the Beatles" by Brian Kehew and Kevin Ryan, a thoroughly exhaustive 540-page book chronicling the techniques, recording equipment, and studio-owned musical instruments used by the Beatles during the making of their music. The hardcover deluxe-edition book, available via Curvebender publishing, will set you back a good $100.00.
* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: It doesn't matter how horrible [[MisogynySong the sentiments]] expressed in "Run For for Your Life" are, are; John Lennon just makes them sound ''so damn cool''.



* EarWorm: It would probably be quicker to list those tracks which ''aren't'' examples.

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* EarWorm: It would probably be quicker to list those tracks which ''aren't'' examples. Even the weird ones like "Revolution 9" will still get stuck in your head. ''Especially'' the weird ones.



* HarsherInHindsight: The song, "We Can Work it Out" (available on ''Music/PastMasters'') Despite the optimism of the title, ultimately none of Beatles could see the problems of their comrades their way and thus could not work it out.

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* HarsherInHindsight: The song, "We Can Work it It Out" (available on ''Music/PastMasters'') ''Music/PastMasters''). Despite the optimism of the title, ultimately none of Beatles could see the problems of their comrades their way and thus could not work it out.



** In the 1965 fan club Christmas record John starts singing the chorus of "It's The Same Old Song" by The Four Tops before George stops him: "copyright, Johnny!" A decade later, George became painfully aware of how much trouble can be caused by copyright infringement accusations with the "My Sweet Lord"/"He's So Fine" lawsuit.

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** In the 1965 fan club Christmas record John starts singing the chorus of "It's The the Same Old Song" by The Four Tops before George stops him: "copyright, Johnny!" A decade later, George became painfully aware of how much trouble can be caused by copyright infringement accusations with the "My Sweet Lord"/"He's So Fine" lawsuit.



** An {{urban legend|s}} sprang up that the Beatles arranged for ''Yesterday... And Today'' to have the infamous "Butcher Cover" as a protest over Capitol mangling their UK albums, as noted in CutAndPasteTranslation on the [[Music/TheBeatles band page]]. Go to [[http://snopes.com/music/hidden/butcher.asp the entry]] at {{Snopes}} for in-depth info.

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** An {{urban legend|s}} sprang up that the Beatles arranged for ''Yesterday... And and Today'' to have the infamous "Butcher Cover" as a protest over Capitol mangling their UK albums, as noted in CutAndPasteTranslation on the [[Music/TheBeatles band page]]. Go to [[http://snopes.com/music/hidden/butcher.asp the entry]] at {{Snopes}} for in-depth info.



** "I Am The Walrus" and "Glass Onion" were intended as sarcastic attacks on all those Beatle fans who sought for hidden messages and meanings in their songs. Beatles fans "found" hidden messages in them, too.

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** "I Am The the Walrus" and "Glass Onion" were intended as sarcastic attacks on all those Beatle fans who sought for hidden messages and meanings in their songs. Beatles fans "found" hidden messages in them, too.



** Inverted; in keeping with the simplistic "Lennon was the deep, creative one / [=McCartney=] was the fluffy, inconsequential one' truism, many of the later innovations and artistic achievements of the Beatles in the later years of the band, such as ''Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band'', are credited as being down to Lennon. Most of them, in fact, were [=McCartney=]'s ideas, and he was arguably the key creative driving force for the band from about 1966 onwards.

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** Inverted; in keeping with the simplistic "Lennon was the deep, creative one / [=McCartney=] was the fluffy, inconsequential one' one" truism, many of the later innovations and artistic achievements of the Beatles in the later years of the band, such as ''Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band'', ''Music/SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand'', are credited as being down to Lennon. Most of them, in fact, were [=McCartney=]'s ideas, and he was arguably the key creative driving force for the band from about 1966 onwards.



** Becomes a MoodWhiplash and MindScrew when you consider it's the last song after [[NightmareFuel Revolution 9]]

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** Becomes a MoodWhiplash and MindScrew when you consider it's the last song after [[NightmareFuel Revolution 9]]9]].



** The Beatles themselves, in their early days, definitely thought being next on the bill after Roy Orbison was this.

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** The Beatles themselves, in their early days, definitely thought being next on the bill after Roy Orbison Music/RoyOrbison was this.



** "You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)", available on both ''Music/PastMasters'' and ''Music/TheBeatlesAnthology''. A silly track that sounds more like a Music/TheBonzoDogBand number than anything else.
* VindicatedByHistory: Both the White Album and ''Abbey Road'' received mixed reactions on their release; the former for its overly satirical nature and lack of coherence, and the latter for its use of synths and overproduction making the album seem artificial. Now, they are considered among the greatest records ever made.

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** "You Know My Name (Look Up The the Number)", available on both ''Music/PastMasters'' and ''Music/TheBeatlesAnthology''. A silly track that sounds more like a Music/TheBonzoDogBand number than anything else.
* VindicatedByHistory: Both the White Album Music/TheWhiteAlbum and ''Abbey Road'' ''Music/AbbeyRoad'' received mixed reactions on their release; the former for its overly satirical nature and lack of coherence, and the latter for its use of synths and overproduction making the album seem artificial. Now, they are considered among the greatest records ever made.



* TheWoobie: "The Fool On The Hill", the main character of the song of the same name from ''Music/MagicalMysteryTour''. No one likes him, no one accepts the fact that he's wise, and no one listens to what he has to say.
* {{Woolseyism}}: Some of the Capitol albums might be sequenced better than the corresponding EMI albums; for instance, ''Meet The Beatles'' got onto the Rolling Stone "Greatest Albums of All Time" list, while the version it "butchered", ''Music/WithTheBeatles'', didn't. Many fans, including [[Music/TheBeachBoys Brian Wilson]], think the US version of ''Music/RubberSoul'' is miles better than the UK version. (Capitol cut out most of the more electrified songs in favor of the acoustic pieces.)

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* TheWoobie: "The Fool On The on the Hill", the main character of the song of the same name from ''Music/MagicalMysteryTour''. No one likes him, no one accepts the fact that he's wise, and no one listens to what he has to say.
* {{Woolseyism}}: Some of the Capitol albums might be sequenced better than the corresponding EMI albums; for instance, ''Meet The the Beatles'' got onto the Rolling Stone "Greatest Albums of All Time" list, while the version it "butchered", ''Music/WithTheBeatles'', didn't. Many fans, including [[Music/TheBeachBoys Brian Wilson]], Music/BrianWilson, think the US version of ''Music/RubberSoul'' is miles better than the UK version. (Capitol cut out most of the more electrified songs in favor of the acoustic pieces.)



* YokoOhNo: To this day, it is still debated whether Music/YokoOno or Linda Eastman had a role in The Beatles' breakup. Yoko has gone on record as saying that neither she nor Linda broke up The Beatles. This is true, but their presence probably didn't help the group's integrity. It took approximately a year for Paul to understand exactly why John and Yoko were inseparable.

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* YokoOhNo: To this day, it is still debated whether Music/YokoOno or Linda Eastman had a role in The Beatles' breakup. Yoko has gone on record as saying that neither she nor Linda broke up The the Beatles. This is true, but their presence probably didn't help the group's integrity. It took approximately a year for Paul to understand exactly why John and Yoko were inseparable.
12th Apr '16 12:33:27 AM Mdumas43073
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* EpicRiff: "I Want You (She's So Heavy)", "Norwegian Wood", "Day Tripper"

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* EpicRiff: "I Want You (She's So Heavy)", "Norwegian Wood", "Day Tripper"Tripper", "Ticket to Ride"
16th Mar '16 3:02:26 PM DavidDelony
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* PeripheryDemographic: The band's songs have been covered by artists far outside pop and rock. For example, Music/BuddyRich covered "Norwegian Wood".
6th Feb '16 9:42:40 AM mlsmithca
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[AwesomeMusic/TheBeatles So many examples]].
** From each individual band member:
*** Music/JohnLennon: "Strawberry Fields Forever"
*** Music/PaulMcCartney: "Yesterday"
*** Music/GeorgeHarrison: "Here Comes The Sun"
*** Music/RingoStarr: "Octopus's Garden"



* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: [[Funny/TheBeatles Has its own page now.]]



* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: [[Awesome/TheBeatles Has its own page now.]]
* {{Narm}}: ‘No Reply’ has the lines, ‘I called you on the phone, you said you were not home, that’s a lie...’ Lennon probably meant ‘you said you'''’d not''' been home’, but the way he phrased it makes it sound like they were [[Literature/WinnieThePooh Rabbit and Pooh]], and ‘that’s a lie’ like a hilarious case of [[CaptainObvious stating the obvious]].
* NightmareFuel: [[NightmareFuel/TheBeatles Has its own page now.]]
6th Feb '16 9:39:40 AM mlsmithca
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* MagnumOpus: Subverted. The Beatles have too many ground-breaking albums to narrow it down to ''just one''.
* {{Macekre}}: An {{urban legend|s}} sprang up that the Beatles arranged for ''Yesterday... And Today'' to have the infamous "Butcher Cover" as a protest over Capitol mangling their UK albums, as noted in CutAndPasteTranslation on the [[Music/TheBeatles band page]]. Go to [[http://snopes.com/music/hidden/butcher.asp the entry]] at {{Snopes}} for in-depth info.

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* MagnumOpus: Subverted. The Beatles have too many ground-breaking albums to narrow it down to ''just one''.
* {{Macekre}}:
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An {{urban legend|s}} sprang up that the Beatles arranged for ''Yesterday... And Today'' to have the infamous "Butcher Cover" as a protest over Capitol mangling their UK albums, as noted in CutAndPasteTranslation on the [[Music/TheBeatles band page]]. Go to [[http://snopes.com/music/hidden/butcher.asp the entry]] at {{Snopes}} for in-depth info.



** Sadly, American serial killer UsefulNotes/CharlesManson managed to interpret the lyrics of the songs "Piggies", "Revolution 1", "Revolution 9", "I Will", "Honey Pie", "Blackbird" and "Helter Skelter" as a message to start murdering other people. For his {{Cloudcuckoolander}} interpretations, see http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/manson/mansonbeatles.html

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** Sadly, American serial killer UsefulNotes/CharlesManson managed to interpret the lyrics of the songs "Piggies", "Revolution 1", "Revolution 9", "I Will", "Honey Pie", "Blackbird" and "Helter Skelter" as a message to start murdering other people. For his {{Cloudcuckoolander}} interpretations, see http://law2.[[http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/manson/mansonbeatles.htmlhtml here.]]
29th Nov '15 5:26:06 PM DavidDelony
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* HypeBacklash: Perhaps inevitably, they received some of this, particularly in the "Beatlemania" era.
** Even today, when they're treated as the best band ever to exist in all of history, it can turn younger fans off.

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* HypeBacklash: HypeBacklash:
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Perhaps inevitably, they received some of this, particularly in the "Beatlemania" era.
** Even today, when they're treated as the best band ever to exist in all of history, it can turn younger fans off. There's also been a backlash among Millenials against the Baby Boomers, and The Beatles are one of the Boomers' most visible sacred cows.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Definitely. It's hard for some younger listeners to appreciate how groundbreaking they were because, basically, every pop-music act ever since is following in their footsteps. The fact people are always told to start with ''Sgt Pepper'' or ''Abbey Road'' can make people feel this way. It is generally recommended to listen to the albums in order to get an idea of how varied the band's music was. There's also been a backlash among Millenials against the Baby Boomers, and The Beatles are one of the Boomers' most visible sacred cows.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Definitely. It's hard for some younger listeners to appreciate how groundbreaking they were because, basically, every pop-music act ever since is following in their footsteps. The fact people are always told to start with ''Sgt Pepper'' or ''Abbey Road'' can make people feel this way. It is generally recommended to listen to the albums in order to get an idea of how varied the band's music was. There's also been a backlash among Millenials against the Baby Boomers, and The Beatles are one of the Boomers' most visible sacred cows.
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