History YMMV / That70sShow

16th Sep '17 11:06:28 AM owlnoelsword96
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Eric and Donna pressuring Jackie and Hyde to admit their relationship to Kelso- and shaming them for doing it in the first place and keeping it a secret- comes off as rather meddlesome and hypocritical to many fans, considering the two of them didn't seem to have any trouble keeping Kelso's ''actual affair with Laurie'' a secret from Jackie for months. For Kelso himself, idea that Jackie really owes him anything (after years of dealing with his cheating, passive aggressively insulting her, pestering her for sex, and ditching her with no explanation) become a point of contention among fans, especially in recent years.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Eric and Donna pressuring Jackie and Hyde to admit their relationship to Kelso- and shaming them for doing it in the first place and keeping it a secret- comes off as rather meddlesome and hypocritical to many fans, considering the two of them didn't seem to have any trouble keeping Kelso's ''actual affair with Laurie'' a secret from Jackie for months. For Kelso himself, the idea that Jackie really owes him anything (after years of dealing with his cheating, passive aggressively insulting her, pestering her for sex, and ditching her with no explanation) has become a point of contention among fans, especially in recent years.
15th Sep '17 2:22:58 PM KizunaTallis
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: ''Grandma's Dead,'' where Eric's grandmother dies as he is driving her home. Seeing Grandma Foreman's lifeless body flop around in Eric's passenger seat, or having Kelso crawl over her to reach his 8-Track, would not be nearly as funny if the viewers had not wanted to [[{{Jerkass}} kill the character themselves.]]
* DeaderThanDisco: Interestingly and perhaps unintentionally the show traced disco's fall from grace in the eyes of teenagers. An episode in the first season, taking place in 1976, is about going to a disco and everyone being into it. In a season five episode a minister tries to connect with Eric and Donna by saying he likes disco and Eric says that disco is kind of lame. Finally in the last season, which took place in 1979, Hyde stages a disco record burning and Fez tries to defend disco.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: ''Grandma's Dead,'' "Grandma's Dead", where Eric's grandmother dies as he is driving her home. Seeing Grandma Foreman's lifeless body flop around in Eric's passenger seat, or having Kelso crawl over her to reach his 8-Track, would not be nearly as funny if the viewers had not wanted to [[{{Jerkass}} kill the character themselves.]]
* DeaderThanDisco: Interestingly and perhaps unintentionally the show traced disco's fall from grace in the eyes of teenagers. An episode in the first season, taking place in 1976, is about going to a disco and everyone being into it. In a season five episode a minister tries to connect with Eric and Donna by saying he likes disco and Eric says that disco is kind of lame. Finally in the last season, which took place in 1979, Hyde stages a disco record burning and Fez tries to defend disco.
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** Leo was very popular with the fans, to the point where he became a main character in the eighth season.
*** He actually became a main character back in Season 4, but Tommy Chong was sent to prison midway through the season. His PromotionToOpeningTitles in Season 8 coincided with his return to the show.

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** Leo was very popular with the fans, to the point where he became a main character in the eighth season.
*** He actually became a main character back in
Season 4, but 4. [[RealLifeWritesThePlot Then Tommy Chong was sent to prison midway through the season.season]]. His PromotionToOpeningTitles in Season 8 coincided with his return to the show.



* FanonDiscontinuity: Many fans refuse to acknowledge the existence of the eighth season and prefer the cut-off to be somewhere mid seventh season.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Many fans refuse to acknowledge the existence of the eighth season and prefer the cut-off to be somewhere mid seventh mid-seventh season.



** The next to last episode of season 2, "Cat Fight Club", features Red fantasizing about the year 1997 and bemoaning Laurie dating Kelso with the declaration that he'll "have a heart attack before [he] gets his jetpack." At the time, a crack about how we still don't have jetpacks in 2000, it became this as of the season 5 finale, "Celebration Day", when he really does have a (non-fatal) heart attack as a result of [[spoiler:hearing Laurie and Fez got married so the latter will stay in the country.]] Additionally, in another episode, Red faked a heart attack to get Kitty off his ass about his health.
** The episode "Grandma's Dead" does have a heartbreaking real world example though during the otherwise hilarious funeral scene when each character observes Grandma Forman's open casket and we hear the thoughs that run through their head. Laurie reflects on how life is complicated because you "get all old and die...thank God I'm young and hot!" In light of the death of actress Lisa Robin Kelly at the age of 43 it's cringe-inducing.

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** The next to last episode of season 2, "Cat Fight Club", features Red fantasizing about the year 1997 and bemoaning Laurie dating Kelso with the declaration that he'll "have a heart attack before [he] gets his jetpack." At the time, a crack about how we [[IWantMyJetpack still don't have jetpacks in 2000, 2000]] was funny, but it became this as of the season 5 finale, "Celebration Day", when he Red really does have a (non-fatal) heart attack as a result of [[spoiler:hearing Laurie and Fez got married so the latter will stay in the country.]] Additionally, in another episode, Red faked a heart attack to get Kitty off his ass about his health.
** The episode "Grandma's Dead" does have a heartbreaking real world example though during the otherwise hilarious funeral scene when each character observes Grandma Forman's open casket and we hear the thoughs that run through their head. Laurie reflects on how life is complicated because you "get all old and die... thank God I'm young and hot!" In light of the death of actress Lisa Robin Kelly at the age of 43 43, it's cringe-inducing.



** Prior to being neighbors on this show, Red and Bob's actors (Kurtwood Smith and Don Stark) were already neighbors in a sense- Kurtwood played General Galapagos on ''[[WesternAnimation/EekTheCat The Terrible Thunderlizards]]'', and Don played The Rhino in ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries''- both of which aired saturday mornings on Creator/FoxKids.

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** Prior to being neighbors on this show, Red and Bob's actors (Kurtwood Smith and Don Stark) were already neighbors in a sense- sense - Kurtwood played General Galapagos on ''[[WesternAnimation/EekTheCat The Terrible Thunderlizards]]'', and Don played The Rhino in ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries''- ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries' '- both of which aired saturday on Saturday mornings on Creator/FoxKids.



** The fact that Creator/AshtonKutcher and Creator/MilaKunis started dating in 2012 after playing a couple when the show started. It became HeartwarmingInHindsight in February 2014, when they announced their engagement, and as of 2015, they now have a baby together.

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** The fact that Creator/AshtonKutcher and Creator/MilaKunis started dating in 2012 after playing a couple when the show started. It became HeartwarmingInHindsight in February 2014, when they announced their engagement, and as of 2015, they now have a baby together.2017, are the proud parents of two children.



** In Season 7's "Let's Spend the Night Together," Eric gets attacked (by a group of women) at a feminist rally. Donna tells him to run...like Bruce Jenner. She then curses herself because Eric is too "feminine" to know about sports.

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** In Season 7's "Let's Spend the Night Together," Eric gets attacked (by a group of women) at a feminist rally. Donna tells him to run... like Bruce (now known as Caitlyn) Jenner. She then curses herself because Eric is too "feminine" to know about sports.



--> '''Kelso:''' ''[beat]'' I kinda liked it.

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--> '''Kelso:''' ''[beat]'' ''({{beat}})'' I kinda liked it.



* RomanticPlotTumor:
** Even though most people prefer it to [[TheScrappy Randy]], Eric and Donna's relationship over the series gets to this level at several points, to the point it seems like writers were [[RelationshipRevolvingDoor trying to think of any reason to break them up so they could get them back together again.]] The crowning example is when [[spoiler: them breaking up because Donna wouldn't accept Eric's promise ring, not wanting to be "trapped" in Point Place, listing several reasons because of it. Maybe this would have been understandable... had Donna not almost immediately hooked up with Kelso's brother, who's pretty much the ''living embodiment'' of everything she supposedly left Eric because.]] Let's just say it's some of those things that caused Donna to be one of the more "diverse" characters in the cast...
** This at least gets [[LampshadeHanging acknowledge]] semi-frequently in universe though, with several characters, with Hyde being the most frequent offender, stating they keep getting rather sick of hearing Eric and Donna constantly talking about and discussing every little thing about their relationship in universe.

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* RomanticPlotTumor:
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RomanticPlotTumor: Even though most people prefer it to [[TheScrappy Randy]], Eric and Donna's relationship over the series gets to this level at several points, to the point it seems like the writers were [[RelationshipRevolvingDoor trying to think of any reason to break them up so they could get them back together again.]] The crowning example is when [[spoiler: them breaking [[spoiler:they broke up because Donna wouldn't accept Eric's promise ring, not wanting to be "trapped" in Point Place, listing several reasons because of it. Maybe this would have been understandable... had Donna not almost immediately hooked up with Kelso's brother, who's pretty much the ''living embodiment'' of everything she supposedly left Eric because.]] Let's just say it's some of those things that caused Donna to be one of the more "diverse" characters [[BaseBreakingCharacter divisive characters]] in the cast...
** This at least gets [[LampshadeHanging acknowledge]] acknowledged]] semi-frequently in universe though, with several characters, with Hyde characters (Hyde being the most frequent offender, frequent) stating they keep getting rather sick of hearing Eric and Donna constantly talking about and discussing every little thing about their relationship in universe.relationship.



* SeasonalRot: The opinion is out on exactly how early it started, but ''many'' agree that the season where Kelso and Eric left and it brought in [[ReplacementScrappy Randy to replace them]] was the single worst season of the show.
* ShippingGoggles: Fans seem to disregard Hyde's actions in the final season and claim he and Jackie broke up because he didn't want to get married when really the reason was [[AccidentalMarriage pretty much the opposite.]]

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* SeasonalRot: The opinion is out Opinions vary on exactly how early it started, but ''many'' agree that the season where Kelso and Eric left and it brought in [[ReplacementScrappy Randy to replace them]] was the single worst season of the show.
* ShippingGoggles: Fans seem to disregard Hyde's actions in the final season and claim he and Jackie broke up because he didn't want to get married when really the reason was [[AccidentalMarriage pretty much the opposite.]]



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: A lot of the characters' HiddenDepths were ignored in favor of {{Flanderization}} no matter how annoying the directionless StatusQuoIsGod got. Jackie and Kelso got the worst of it, in one episode Jackie was shown to be a great mechanic and in another episode Kelso could reprogram a ''VideoGame/{{Pong}}'' table, and nothing was done with either of them.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: A lot of the characters' HiddenDepths were ignored in favor of {{Flanderization}} no matter how annoying the directionless StatusQuoIsGod got. Jackie and Kelso got the worst of it, it - in one episode Jackie was shown to be a great mechanic mechanic, and in another episode episode, Kelso could reprogram a ''VideoGame/{{Pong}}'' table, and nothing was done with either of them.



* ValuesDissonance:
** Ironically falls into this, in spite often invoking it for comedy. [[SlutShaming Sleeping around is depicted as one of the worst things people, particularly women, can possibly do.]]

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* ValuesDissonance:
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ValuesDissonance: Ironically falls into this, in spite often [[DeliberateValuesDissonance deliberately invoking it it]] for comedy. [[SlutShaming Sleeping around is depicted as one of the worst things people, particularly women, can possibly do.]]
9th Sep '17 6:24:18 AM minikiss
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** Jackie and Fez's RelationshipUpgrade comes pretty close as well, especially since a lot of people weren't happy that she didn't get back together with Hyde. She basically went from regarding Fez as a good friend to being head over heels in love with him in the span of a few episodes.

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** Jackie and Fez's RelationshipUpgrade comes pretty close as well, especially since a lot of people weren't happy that she didn't get back together with Hyde. She basically went from regarding Fez as a good friend to being head over heels in love with him in the span of a few episodes. Though it needs to be noted that in an episode from one of the earlier seasons that Jackie has admitted that she found Fez to be attractive.
1st Sep '17 4:17:24 AM ajbit26
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** Red at one point, rejects an old war buddy after finding out he and his wife are swingers, despite otherwise getting along well and offering him work he desperately needed at this stage.
28th Aug '17 2:11:07 PM makesshoes
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** Red at one point, rejects an old war buddy after finding out he and his wife are swingers, despite otherwise getting along well and offering him work he desperately needed at this stage.

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** Red at one point, rejects an old war buddy after finding out he and his wife are swingers, despite otherwise getting along well and offering him work he desperately needed at this stage.stage.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Chuck Norris was originally going to play Red, but he was filming Walker, Texas Ranger so Kurtwood Smith was cast.
29th Jul '17 7:39:42 AM ajbit26
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***In one episode, Kelso starts donating sperm. Jackie makes him go and get them back because she "wants to have his babies someday."
4th Jul '17 1:53:53 PM owlnoelsword96
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Eric and Donna pressuring Jackie and Hyde to admit their relationship to Kelso- and shaming them for doing it in the first place and keeping it a secret- comes off as rather meddlesome and hypocritical to many fans, considering the two of them didn't seem to have any trouble keeping Kelso's ''actual affair with Laurie'' a secret from Jackie for months. For Kelso himself, idea that Jackie really owes him anything (after years of dealing with his cheating, passive aggressively insulting her, pestering her for sex, and ditching her with no explanation) become a point of contention among fans, especially in recent years.
29th May '17 6:38:09 AM themisterfree
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* CounterpartComparison: Let's see- we've got TheEveryman who is essentially the leader, a [[TooDumbToLive dumb]] [[ThePrankster jokester]], a [[TheStoner scruffy kid]] [[AbusiveParents with a crappy home life]], [[FunnyForeigner a newbie who learns about our culture]], a [[UptownGirl beautiful girl in love with the scruffy guy]] who will [[GirlyBruiser kick ass if needed]], and a {{Tomboy}} in a complicated relationship with the leader. Are we talking about the gang from this show, or the Literature/{{Animorphs}}? They're very similar, except Jackie's counterpart Rachel went BloodKnight later on, Tobias didn't have any weed to help him (he instead got [[ShapeshifterModeLock stuck as a hawk]]), Cassie is a FriendToAllAnimals (as opposed to Donna's general tomboyishness) and Ax is almost the polar opposite of Fez (he's a ComicallySerious alien warrior). (Kind of ironic, considering the ''Animorphs'' [[Series/{{Animorphs}} TV series]] also started in 1998.)

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* CounterpartComparison: Let's see- we've got TheEveryman who is essentially the leader, a [[TooDumbToLive dumb]] [[ThePrankster jokester]], a [[TheStoner scruffy kid]] [[AbusiveParents with a crappy home life]], [[FunnyForeigner a newbie who learns about our culture]], a [[UptownGirl beautiful girl in love with the scruffy guy]] who will [[GirlyBruiser kick ass if needed]], and a {{Tomboy}} in a complicated relationship with the leader. Are we talking about the gang from this show, or the Literature/{{Animorphs}}? They're very similar, except Jackie's counterpart Rachel went BloodKnight later on, Tobias didn't have any weed to help him (he instead got [[ShapeshifterModeLock stuck as a hawk]]), Cassie is a FriendToAllAnimals [[FriendToAllLivingThings animal lover]] (as opposed to Donna's general tomboyishness) and Ax is almost the polar opposite of Fez (he's a ComicallySerious alien warrior). (Kind of ironic, considering the ''Animorphs'' [[Series/{{Animorphs}} TV series]] also started in 1998.)
29th May '17 6:37:23 AM themisterfree
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* CounterpartComparison: The gang has some surprising parallels in the Literature/{{Animorphs}}- Eric is Jake (TheEveryman), Kelso is Marco ([[TooDumbToLive dumb]] [[ThePrankster jokester]]), Hyde is Tobias ([[AbusiveParents scruffy kid with a crappy home life]]), Fez is Ax ([[FunnyForeigner both of them are]] ''[[IncrediblyLamePun aliens]]''), Jackie is Rachel ([[UptownGirl beautiful girl in love with the scruffy guy]] who will [[GirlyBruiser kick ass if needed]], though Jackie never went all BloodKnight like Rachel did) and Donna is Cassie ({{Tomboy}} in a complicated relationship with the leader). (Kind of ironic, considering the ''Animorphs'' [[Series/{{Animorphs}} TV series]] also started in 1998.)

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* CounterpartComparison: The gang has some surprising parallels in Let's see- we've got TheEveryman who is essentially the Literature/{{Animorphs}}- Eric is Jake (TheEveryman), Kelso is Marco ([[TooDumbToLive leader, a [[TooDumbToLive dumb]] [[ThePrankster jokester]]), Hyde is Tobias ([[AbusiveParents jokester]], a [[TheStoner scruffy kid kid]] [[AbusiveParents with a crappy home life]]), Fez is Ax ([[FunnyForeigner both of them are]] ''[[IncrediblyLamePun aliens]]''), Jackie is Rachel ([[UptownGirl life]], [[FunnyForeigner a newbie who learns about our culture]], a [[UptownGirl beautiful girl in love with the scruffy guy]] who will [[GirlyBruiser kick ass if needed]], though Jackie never went all BloodKnight like Rachel did) and Donna is Cassie ({{Tomboy}} a {{Tomboy}} in a complicated relationship with the leader).leader. Are we talking about the gang from this show, or the Literature/{{Animorphs}}? They're very similar, except Jackie's counterpart Rachel went BloodKnight later on, Tobias didn't have any weed to help him (he instead got [[ShapeshifterModeLock stuck as a hawk]]), Cassie is a FriendToAllAnimals (as opposed to Donna's general tomboyishness) and Ax is almost the polar opposite of Fez (he's a ComicallySerious alien warrior). (Kind of ironic, considering the ''Animorphs'' [[Series/{{Animorphs}} TV series]] also started in 1998.)
28th May '17 7:10:57 PM themisterfree
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* CounterpartComparison: The gang has some surprising parallels in the Literature/{{Animorphs}}- Eric is Jake (TheEveryman), Kelso is Marco ([[TooDumbToLive dumb]] [[ThePrankster jokester]]), Hyde is Tobias ([[AbusiveParents kid with a crappy home life]]), Fez is Ax ([[FunnyForeigner both of them are]] ''[[IncrediblyLamePun aliens]]''), and Rachel [[CompositeCharacter shares attributes of both Donna and Jackie]] (Donna's [[TheBigGuy general toughness and will to fight]], Jackie's [[GirlyBruiser beauty]]). (Kind of ironic, considering the ''Animorphs'' [[Series/{{Animorphs}} TV series]] also started in 1998.)

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* CounterpartComparison: The gang has some surprising parallels in the Literature/{{Animorphs}}- Eric is Jake (TheEveryman), Kelso is Marco ([[TooDumbToLive dumb]] [[ThePrankster jokester]]), Hyde is Tobias ([[AbusiveParents scruffy kid with a crappy home life]]), Fez is Ax ([[FunnyForeigner both of them are]] ''[[IncrediblyLamePun aliens]]''), and Jackie is Rachel [[CompositeCharacter shares attributes of both Donna and Jackie]] (Donna's [[TheBigGuy general toughness and ([[UptownGirl beautiful girl in love with the scruffy guy]] who will to fight]], Jackie's [[GirlyBruiser beauty]]).kick ass if needed]], though Jackie never went all BloodKnight like Rachel did) and Donna is Cassie ({{Tomboy}} in a complicated relationship with the leader). (Kind of ironic, considering the ''Animorphs'' [[Series/{{Animorphs}} TV series]] also started in 1998.)
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