History YMMV / Tangled

28th Jun '17 3:09:18 AM ScroogeMacDuck
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** Gothel apologists are claiming all the problems in the movie were the fault of the king and queen for destroying the flower in the first place, even though they didn't know that it could be used without consuming it, and Gothel, who they didn't know existed because she herself never came forward, was the only one who could have told them how.


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** Relatedly, many would argue that, "selfish" or not, the King and Queen caused the entire movie's problems by destroying the flower rather than using it as intended by singing the healing song. However, it's entirely possible that the King and Queen did not ''know'' the Flower could be used that way, and some would even argue that they may not have known Gothel even ''existed''.
28th Jun '17 3:07:07 AM ScroogeMacDuck
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* WinBackTheCrowd: ''Tangled'' finished the job that Disney started with ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' for being relevant in the animation industry once again, outside of Creator/{{Pixar}}'s shadow. Both critics and audiences loved it, and it became Disney's second highest grossing film ever.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: ''Tangled'' finished the job that Disney started with ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' for being relevant in the animation industry once again, outside of Creator/{{Pixar}}'s shadow. Both critics and audiences loved it, and it became Disney's second highest grossing film ever.ever (though it was then outclassed by ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'').
8th Jun '17 6:45:42 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Mother Gothel has quite a committed fanbase, which can get rather over-enthusiastic in either downplaying or defending her actions throughout the movie. While she [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation may have sympathetic motives and/or backstory]] (and that tends to depend more on [[WildMassGuessing fan theorising]] or [[EpilepticTrees guesswork]] rather than what's presented in the movie proper), this is still a character who kidnaps a child, spends 18 years {{gaslighting}} and emotionally crippling her and later ''chains her up'' and tries to kill her boyfriend, all in a vain and selfish effort to keep the child and her healing powers to herself.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Mother Gothel has quite a committed fanbase, which can get rather over-enthusiastic in either downplaying or defending her actions throughout the movie. While she [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation may have sympathetic motives and/or backstory]] (and that tends to depend more on [[WildMassGuessing fan theorising]] or [[EpilepticTrees guesswork]] rather than what's presented in the movie proper), this is still a character who kidnaps a child, spends 18 years {{gaslighting}} and emotionally crippling her and later ''chains her up'' and tries to kill her boyfriend, all in a vain and selfish effort to keep the child and her healing powers to herself.



** See 'Award Snub' above, then think a bit about who Mother Gothel looks like.

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** See 'Award Snub' above, then think a bit about [[Music/{{Cher}} who Mother Gothel looks like.like]].



** Vladimir, a big buff man, having a collection of ceramic unicorns will likely make people think of [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Bronies]]. [[note]]It should be noted that ''My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic'' came out just over a month before ''Tangled'' did, however, the Brony fandom was still in its beginning stages of development and was relatively under-known when the movie was released, making this scene even more Hilarious In Hindsight especially given the AnimationLeadTime.[[/note]]

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** Vladimir, a big buff man, [[RealMenWearPink having a collection of ceramic unicorns unicorns]] will likely make people think of [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Bronies]]. [[note]]It should be noted that ''My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic'' came out just over a month before ''Tangled'' did, however, the Brony fandom was still in its beginning stages of development and was relatively under-known when the movie was released, making this scene even more Hilarious In Hindsight especially given the AnimationLeadTime.[[/note]]



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Flynn Rider has a big does of ProtagonistCentredMorality - early on in the film he betrays his two partners, leaving them to get captured by the authorities. While they do get out, it's a pretty bad move on Flynn's part, as we see that the death penalty does exist in this world, so he could well have been leaving them for dead. The Stabbington Brothers [[spoiler: later turn him over to the authorities for capture, but you could easily see this as them getting revenge on him, rather than them just trying to get him killed for a big score]]. The movie never really calls him out for this, and we're supposed to like Flynn (in the early scenes at least) just because he's funny and charming.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Flynn Rider has a big does dose of ProtagonistCentredMorality - early on in the film he betrays his two partners, leaving them to get captured by the authorities. While they do get out, it's a pretty bad move on Flynn's part, as we see that the death penalty does exist in this world, so he could well have been leaving them for dead. The Stabbington Brothers [[spoiler: later turn him over to the authorities for capture, but you could easily see this as them getting revenge on him, rather than them just trying to get him killed for a big score]]. The movie never really calls him out for this, and we're supposed to like Flynn (in the early scenes at least) just because he's funny and charming.



** Rapunzel. Kidnapped from her birth parents as an infant by a woman who only cared about her because her magic hair kept her young. And during those eighteen years, Gothel emotionally and psychologically abused Rapunzel into fearing the outside world. By the end she's an IronWoobie.

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** Rapunzel. Kidnapped from her birth parents as an infant by a woman who only cared about her because her magic hair kept her young. And during those eighteen years, Gothel [[AbusiveParents emotionally and psychologically abused abused]] Rapunzel into fearing the outside world. By the end she's an IronWoobie.
23rd Apr '17 7:47:56 AM kablammin45
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** It's worth pointing out that [[WesternAnimation/TangledTheSeries the TV show]] ''does'' actually establish that Rapunzel has occasional nightmares about Mother Gothel, though Rapunzel is such a happy-go-lucky person that she doesn't seem to let them bother her too badly.
5th Apr '17 1:54:38 AM EfficaciousPantheress
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**In his defense, though, he ''did'' realise what kind of an ass he was, and tried to make amends with them by apologizing and giving them the crown.
17th Mar '17 1:54:10 AM NWolfman
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Mother Gothel has quite a committed fanbase, which can get rather over-enthusiastic in either downplaying or defending her actions throughout the movie. While she [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation may have sympathetic motives and/or backstory]] (and that tends to depend more on [[WildMassGuessing fan theorising]] or [[EpilepticTrees guesswork]] rather than what's presented in the movie proper), she's nevertheless consistently portrayed throughout the movie as vain and selfish, a child abductor, an emotional abuser towards that child, at one point ''chaining her up'', as well as clearly willing to commit murder in her desire to keep that child all to herself.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Mother Gothel has quite a committed fanbase, which can get rather over-enthusiastic in either downplaying or defending her actions throughout the movie. While she [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation may have sympathetic motives and/or backstory]] (and that tends to depend more on [[WildMassGuessing fan theorising]] or [[EpilepticTrees guesswork]] rather than what's presented in the movie proper), she's nevertheless consistently portrayed throughout the movie as this is still a character who kidnaps a child, spends 18 years {{gaslighting}} and emotionally crippling her and later ''chains her up'' and tries to kill her boyfriend, all in a vain and selfish, a child abductor, an emotional abuser towards that child, at one point ''chaining her up'', as well as clearly willing to commit murder in her desire selfish effort to keep that the child all and her healing powers to herself.



** Mother Gothel to an extent [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation if you believe that]] she only does the things she does in the movie because she is ''terrified of dying'', it makes her actions seem understandable. Not ''justified'', mind you (controlling and destroying others' lives just to preserve your own is horrible), but nevertheless worthy of some pity. As noted above, this is a matter of ''intense'' debate in the fandom, which many raising the question of whether it is so much fear of ''dying'' that Gothel suffers from, or the rather-less-sympathetic fear of simply growing old and losing her looks.

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** Mother Gothel to an extent [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation if you believe that]] she only does the things she does in the movie because she is ''terrified of dying'', it makes her actions seem understandable. Not ''justified'', mind you (controlling It obviously doesn't justify kidnapping, child abuse and destroying others' lives just to preserve your own is horrible), [[spoiler:attempted murder]], but nevertheless worthy of some pity. it's a reason. As noted above, this is a matter of ''intense'' debate in the fandom, which many raising the question of whether it is so much fear of ''dying'' that Gothel suffers from, or the rather-less-sympathetic fear of simply fears dying or, more superficially, growing old and losing her looks.
17th Mar '17 1:45:18 AM NWolfman
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Mother Gothel. With the exception of [[DracoInLeatherPants apologist]] fans, few will deny that she is a great villain and an uncomfortably accurate depiction of an emotional abuser, but it's that accuracy that turns off some fans who prefer Disney's AffablyEvil villains over one who's more realistically (and therefore [[LoveToHate less entertainingly]]) evil.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Mother Gothel. With the exception of [[DracoInLeatherPants apologist]] fans, few will deny that she is a great villain and an uncomfortably accurate depiction of an emotional abuser, but it's that accuracy that turns off some fans who prefer Disney's AffablyEvil villains over one who's who're more realistically (and therefore [[LoveToHate less entertainingly]]) evil.
17th Mar '17 1:44:35 AM NWolfman
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Mother Gothel. With the exception of [[DracoInLeatherPants apologist]] fans, few will deny that she is a great villain and an uncomfortably accurate depiction of an emotional abuser, but it's that accuracy that turns off some fans who prefer Disney's AffablyEvil villains over one who's more realistically (and therefore [[LoveToHate less entertainingly]]) evil.
15th Mar '17 7:14:00 PM LegitimateIdiot
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** Fanfic writers almost always refer to Rapunzel's father as "Thomas" while her mother is "Primrose", though this has now been {{Jossed}} by ''WesternAnimation/TangledBeforeEverAfter'', revealing them to be Frederic and Arianna.

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** Fanfic writers almost always refer to Rapunzel's father as "Thomas" while her mother is "Primrose", though this has now been {{Jossed}} by ''WesternAnimation/TangledBeforeEverAfter'', ''WesternAnimation/TangledTheSeries'', revealing them to be Frederic and Arianna.
4th Mar '17 1:48:54 PM mlsmithca
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* SoCoolItsAwesome: Largely considered one of Disney's best films of all time. Arguably the best since ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast''. It was both a critical and a box office success and managed to WinBackTheCrowd after the "almost-but-not-quite-there-yet" attempt with ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog''.
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