History YMMV / TalesoftheAbyss

16th Oct '17 12:41:12 PM SeekerSS
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** [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] and to what extent it was Luke's fault. On the one hand, was the disaster caused by Luke's selfishness (wanting to save the people only so he could become a hero and pursue his own agenda, and not caring about the people themselves or taking their suffering seriously), arrogance (blithely believing he could singlehandedly save the entire city despite having no training in hyperresonance), failure to tell the others about the plan (even Guy, whom he trusted), and blind faith in Van ([[spoiler:even after Van admitted to kidnapping Luke, giving a very flimsy justification[[note]]after all, if Van was saving Luke from painful and horrific experiments regarding his hyperresonance, why didn't these experiments resume once Luke returned?[[/note]] which directly contradicted what Van had told him only a few days before on the ferry]])? On the other hand, Luke was [[spoiler: only seven years old]]; Van was a father figure to Luke (Luke comments that Van was the only one to praise him, scold him, take him seriously); Van was in a position of trust and authority, being the Commandant of the Order of Lorelei, which shows that he was well respected in the world at large (including some of Luke's traveling companions); Luke's traveling companions, despite admonishing him to think for himself, [[DesignatedHero intentionally withheld critical information from him (including Tear's failure to tell him why she wanted to kill Van), refused to give him an alternate perspective other that Tear's claims that Van was evil because she said so, and acted in a dodgy manner]]; and the fact that [[DesignatedVillain Luke was hypnotized into carrying out the final, fatal act.]] Arguing either way would often lead to InternetBackdraft.

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** [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] and to what extent it was Luke's fault. On the one hand, was the disaster caused by Luke's selfishness (wanting to save the people only so he could become a hero and pursue his own agenda, and not caring about the people themselves or taking their suffering seriously), arrogance (blithely believing he could singlehandedly save the entire city despite having no training in hyperresonance), failure to tell the others about the plan (even Guy, whom he trusted), and blind faith in Van ([[spoiler:even after Van admitted to kidnapping Luke, giving a very flimsy justification[[note]]after all, if Van was saving Luke from painful and horrific experiments regarding his hyperresonance, why didn't these experiments resume once Luke returned?[[/note]] which directly contradicted what Van had told him only a few days before on the ferry]])? On the other hand, Luke was [[spoiler: only seven years old]]; Van was a father figure to Luke (Luke comments that Van was the only one to praise him, scold him, take him seriously); Van was in a position of trust and authority, being the Commandant of the Order of Lorelei, which shows that he was well respected in the world at large (including some of Luke's traveling companions); Luke's traveling companions, despite admonishing him to think for himself, [[DesignatedHero [[FelonyMisdemeanor intentionally withheld critical information from him (including Tear's failure to tell him why she wanted to kill Van), refused to give him an alternate perspective other that Tear's claims that Van was evil because she said so, and acted in a dodgy manner]]; and the fact that [[DesignatedVillain Luke was hypnotized into carrying out the final, fatal act.]] Arguing either way would often lead to InternetBackdraft.
12th Oct '17 5:45:14 PM FateStayWho
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* DesignatedHero: ''The entire party'' (minus Ion) post [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] as explained [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic below]]. Their treatment of Luke falls flat [[spoiler: when it turns out a good chunk of them ''knew'' something in regards to the entire incident (Guy knew about Van's plans, Tear had all the reason to see Van as the BigBad, Jade had figured out key information, and Anise was [[TheMole working for Mohs]] plus Natalia heard enough of Luke's conversation with Van pre mission to be ''somewhat'' suspcious) and most of them also know at this point that Luke is truly seven.]]

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* DesignatedHero: ''The entire party'' (minus Ion) post [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] as explained [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic below]]. Their treatment of Luke falls flat [[spoiler: when it turns out a good chunk of them ''knew'' something in regards to the entire incident (Guy knew about Van's plans, Tear had all the reason to see Van as the BigBad, Jade had figured out key information, and Anise was [[TheMole working for Mohs]] plus Natalia heard enough of Luke's conversation with Van pre mission to be ''somewhat'' suspcious) suspicious) and most of them also know at this point that Luke is truly seven.]]]]
** Asch is even worse. Before the reveal that Luke [[spoiler:is his replica]], he spends most of his appearances hurling abuse at people, tries to kill Luke and would have done so if not for Van and tries to make Luke kill Tear once the channel between them is open. After the reveal, [[EasilyForgiven none of this is ever brought up again]]. To top if off he constantly hurls abuse at Luke and the party outside of [[MoralityPet Natalia]], and they just accept it.


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** [[spoiler: Van at Akzeriuth. He easily takes advantage of how Luke trusts him and the distrust the rest of the cast have plays them all for fools.]]
18th Sep '17 10:30:00 AM LovePsychothefirst
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** The whole game is riddled with this in general due to the technology limitations of the time. DullSurprise and some LargeHam bits that don't mesh with the rest can make what are meant to be dramatic or heartrending situations rather jarring instead.

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** The whole game is riddled with this in general due to the technology limitations of the time. DullSurprise and some LargeHam bits that don't mesh with the rest can make what are meant to be dramatic or heartrending situations rather jarring instead. The dub is slightly worse as the voice acting isn't as good as the original for emotional acting.
9th Sep '17 10:39:19 PM Asue
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* TastesLikeDiabetes: Mieu is a cute and cuddly creature with a high pitched voice and constant cheer. It's astounding how one character can be so cringeworthy.

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* TastesLikeDiabetes: Mieu is a cute and cuddly creature with a high pitched voice and constant cheer. It's astounding how one character can be so cringeworthy.



* VindicatedByHistory: When it was released it was considered... well, not ''bad'', but just sort of a ho-hum BaseBreaker entry. Likely not helped by it following on the heels of ToughActToFollow ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''. Give or take ten years and its status has grown to be one of the most respected titles by the fanbase for it's intriguing and realized ConstructedWorld, a complex plot and especially deep characterizations, its' stellar soundtrack, and for improving on ''Symphonia'''s gameplay by introducing free-run, which set the standard for later 3D titles in the series. It's now regarded as having aged the best of all the 2000s-era ''Tales'' games. It also held the title as the [[DarkerAndEdgier darkest]] ''Tales'' game for ten years until ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' came along.
** To a similar degree, Luke as the main character. Although [[VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia Yuri Lowell]] is still the most beloved protagonist in the franchise, Luke is now widely considered the best constructed one. Even though his {{Jerkass}} attitude at the beginning of the game can be off-putting (and the reason why he had a bum rap for some years), his ''massive'' CharacterDevelopment (by far, the biggest one in the entire franchise) makes it worth it.

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* VindicatedByHistory: When it was released released, it was considered... well, not ''bad'', but just sort of a ho-hum BaseBreaker entry. Likely not helped by it following on the heels of ToughActToFollow ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''. Give or take ten years and its status has grown to be one of the most respected titles by the fanbase for it's its intriguing and realized ConstructedWorld, a complex plot and especially deep characterizations, its' stellar soundtrack, and for improving on ''Symphonia'''s gameplay by introducing free-run, which set the standard for later 3D titles in the series. It's now regarded as having aged the best of all the 2000s-era ''Tales'' games. It also held the title as the [[DarkerAndEdgier darkest]] ''Tales'' game for ten years until ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' came along.
** To a similar degree, Luke as the main character. Although [[VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia Yuri Lowell]] is still the most beloved protagonist in the franchise, Luke is now widely considered as the best constructed one. Even though his {{Jerkass}} attitude at the beginning of the game can be off-putting (and the reason why he had a bum rap for some years), his ''massive'' CharacterDevelopment (by far, the biggest one in the entire franchise) makes it worth it.
5th Sep '17 12:11:09 PM LovePsychothefirst
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** Luke's [[ManChild actions]] in the first arc and how everyone [[TheFriendNobodyLikes treats him]] take on a darker edge when [[spoiler: it's revealed he's ''actually a seven year old'' forced into acting at least twice his age his whole life.]]
27th Aug '17 4:43:03 PM nombretomado
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* CounterpartComparison: Luke from Haseo from ''.hackGU''. Both start as BaseBreaker incredibly unsocial teenagers who happened to be voiced by YuriLowenthal and mature across the story. [[spoiler:While their motivations are very different, the fact that both of their mentors happen to become the games' antagonists really makes one wonder whether GU was inspired by Abyss considering it was released next year.]]

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* CounterpartComparison: Luke from Haseo from ''.hackGU''. Both start as BaseBreaker incredibly unsocial teenagers who happened to be voiced by YuriLowenthal Creator/YuriLowenthal and mature across the story. [[spoiler:While their motivations are very different, the fact that both of their mentors happen to become the games' antagonists really makes one wonder whether GU was inspired by Abyss considering it was released next year.]]
13th Aug '17 1:29:14 AM SeptimusHeap
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* FanPreferredCouple: OneTruePairing notwithstanding (see below), given the amounts of HoYay and FoeYay in the game, Luke tends to get shipped with [[LauncherOfAThousandShips several people]]. The biggest ships being [[HoYay Luke-Guy]], [[FoeYay Luke-]][[MentorShip Van]], [[ScrewYourself Luke-Asch]]. On the female side, Luke also gets shipped with [[{{Lolicon}} Anise]] and [[ChildhoodMarriagePromise Natalia]].

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* FanPreferredCouple: OneTruePairing notwithstanding (see below), given the amounts of HoYay and FoeYay in the game, Luke tends to get shipped with [[LauncherOfAThousandShips several people]]. The biggest ships being [[HoYay Luke-Guy]], [[FoeYay Luke-]][[MentorShip Van]], [[ScrewYourself Luke-Asch]]. On the female side, Luke also gets shipped with [[{{Lolicon}} Anise]] Anise and [[ChildhoodMarriagePromise Natalia]].



* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Luke. From how the fandom handles it, he ''really'' gets around from [[ScrewYourself Asch]] to [[LoliCon Anise]].

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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Luke. From how the fandom handles it, he ''really'' gets around from [[ScrewYourself Asch]] to [[LoliCon Anise]].Anise.
31st Jul '17 10:07:58 PM LovePsychothefirst
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* DesignatedHero: ''The entire party'' (minus Ion) post [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] as explained [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic below]]. Their treatment of Luke falls flat [[spoiler: when it turns out a good chunk of them ''knew'' something in regards to the entire incident (Guy knew about Van's plans, Tear had all the reason to see Van as the BigBad, Jade had figured out key information, and Anise was [[TheMole working for Mohs]]) and most of them also know at this point that Luke is truly seven.]]

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* DesignatedHero: ''The entire party'' (minus Ion) post [[spoiler: Akzeriuth]] as explained [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic below]]. Their treatment of Luke falls flat [[spoiler: when it turns out a good chunk of them ''knew'' something in regards to the entire incident (Guy knew about Van's plans, Tear had all the reason to see Van as the BigBad, Jade had figured out key information, and Anise was [[TheMole working for Mohs]]) Mohs]] plus Natalia heard enough of Luke's conversation with Van pre mission to be ''somewhat'' suspcious) and most of them also know at this point that Luke is truly seven.]]
29th Jul '17 6:04:23 PM LovePsychothefirst
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** Luke in the first part: Wangsty loser who just ''does not shut up'', or [[spoiler:''[[DesignatedVillain literal child betrayed by both sets of parental figures and treated as a scapegoat by his]]'']] [[DesignatedHero "friends"]] [[spoiler:who to varying degrees may or may not know they're picking on someone who is, in many ways, a developmental grade-schooler?]]

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** Luke in the first part: Wangsty loser who just ''does not shut up'', or [[spoiler:''[[DesignatedVillain literal child betrayed by both sets of parental figures and treated as a scapegoat by his]]'']] [[DesignatedHero "friends"]] [[spoiler:who who to varying degrees may or may not know they're picking on someone who is, in many ways, [[spoiler: a developmental grade-schooler?]]
28th Jul '17 5:02:10 PM LovePsychothefirst
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** Luke in the first part: Wangsty loser who just ''does not shut up'', or [[spoiler:''[[DesignatedVillain literal child betrayed by both sets of parental figures and treated as a scapegoat by his]]'']] [[DesignatedHero "friends"]] [[spoiler:[[DesignatedVillain who to varying degrees may or may not know they're picking on someone who is, in many ways, a developmental grade-schooler]]?]]

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** Luke in the first part: Wangsty loser who just ''does not shut up'', or [[spoiler:''[[DesignatedVillain literal child betrayed by both sets of parental figures and treated as a scapegoat by his]]'']] [[DesignatedHero "friends"]] [[spoiler:[[DesignatedVillain who [[spoiler:who to varying degrees may or may not know they're picking on someone who is, in many ways, a developmental grade-schooler]]?]]grade-schooler?]]
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